I've read similar speculations about two new iPhones and Apple switching companies for various components - from reading various websites. None of that information came to me first by bav. I find this amusing and, if bav was remotely stable, I would gladly put $2,000 on the table, just to see his reaction when things don't turn out the way he wants them to.
LaEsperanza, I agree with you about the number of products, but given the context some people define the iPhone as being two products now, a lower and a higher priced model, so I was just being careful. I need more "inside info" than his just stating two new phones, though. It's all in good fun - but I always keep in mind that it's not smart to enter bets with those that aren't going to live up to their end of the bargain, hehe.
Just answer the questions, "Know-it-all that in fact knows-nothing". Once again, just in case we need to go really slow for you, those questions are :
What specific features will make the two iPhones different other than price?
Will they look different than each other or different from the current iPhone and if so in what way?
What will the new software upgrade give us?
When will those new iPhone(s) be released, as in available, for us to buy and at what specific price range?
Do you have any questions to add, LaEsperanza? I've got the feeling all bav can come up with is "Hey, look at me, I'm a genius because I predict Steve will release two new iPhones next year".
I honestly only care about that previous quote of the cheap one and the "true successor." This means that they must look different from each other. If one looks the same or very similar to the iPhone, then it is okay, but one MUST look different.
He didn't call the 1.1.3, and I am still wondering if I am convinced, but that shows that he didn't see any software upgrades coming, just two new phones. He also previously stated that one would be announced in January (on the 15th) for Q4 sales.
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Originally Posted by bavlondon2
Iphone 2 (3g version) will be announed in jan 08 and will be released Q4 08 to conincide with Nokias touch screen flagship model as well as SEs P5.
So this new competitor for Nokia and SE is probably going to be $500+. The other one MUST be below $399 as it is a more affordable one. I'll take $398 as cheaper, I am that convinced it won't happen. We just better see 2 phones announced. A cheaper NEW one (not the 1st gen that we have seen for 6 months) and the "true successor" that competes with the previous brands that will not be released until Q4. He has cornered himself in specificity regarding the form of the phones and the price of the phones. Now we just wait. I wish we could just bet an iPhone on this, but that'd be too hard to track.
Would we all agree that a MB, a 15" MBP, and a 17" MBP are 3 separate products? 4GB and 8GB were not two separate products, just more memory. It'd be like saying the 15" MBP with 2GB memory is a SEPARATE PRODUCT than the MBP with 3GB memory. Or a Mustang with a CD player is a SEPARATE PRODUCT than one with a CD changer. He said there would be 2 NEW phones and explained that one would be a nano-like (cheaper) alternative and the other would be the "true successor" to the iPhone. This means that we will see 2 new phones. 2 phones by Apple that are completely separate form factors just like the BlackBerry Curve is different than the 8800. He can't pull that crap because of previous discussion.
I am in this until the end. We all know Bav is a moron and it shows in his spelling, grammar, and obvious lack of knowledge. This is why I am hoping to never see the name Bavlondon again. He has agreed that the name he would forever post under in AI would be either AssWipe or AlwaysWrong. No semantics in this one, just two NEW phones that would be easily distinguishable from the naked eye.
Yes for the last time, 2 different products! And theres no need to go round name calling anyone moron. Your only digging your grave deeper with everyone of these antagonistic posts mate. :-)
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Just answer the questions, "Know-it-all that in fact knows-nothing". Once again, just in case we need to go really slow for you, those questions are :
What specific features will make the two iPhones different other than price?
Will they look different than each other or different from the current iPhone and if so in what way?
What will the new software upgrade give us?
When will those new iPhone(s) be released, as in available, for us to buy and at what specific price range?
Do you have any questions to add, LaEsperanza? I've got the feeling all bav can come up with is "Hey, look at me, I'm a genius because I predict Steve will release two new iPhones next year".
The one that will be out in May will look very similar if not identical to the current one. The one to be released in Q4 2008 will look more different but only in the way of possibly an extra few external buttons.
Software upgrade you mean 1.1.3? I cant remember of the top of my head, but multiple sms.
First one will be out in May 08 and then Q4 08.
And anyway why are you asking me these questions if your so sure of yourself?
Yeah possibly but on the point of taking something else to the gym or to the pub doesnt that go against the whole "iphone status symbol in public" thing?
I actually said 'exercising'. Going to the gym is for idiots with more money than sense, so perhaps you have something there.
I usually use an old phone chucked in the back of my rucksack whilst mountain biking. An iPhone would get beat up in that kind of environment in no time at all. I can't imagine want kind of damage Yorkshire gritstone would do to the shinyness and in any case, the touch screen doesn't work with gloves on.
The one that will be out in May will look very similar if not identical to the current one. The one to be released in Q4 2008 will look more different but only in the way of possibly an extra few external buttons.
Which one is the cheaper more affordable? The one that looks similar if not identical? That isn't a new, cheaper, and more affordable one, that is a refreshed 1st Gen.
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Originally Posted by bavlondon2
Ok ive got some major news. 2 new phones will be announced at macworld in Jan. One high end - the true sucessor to iphone and a cheaper more affordable alternative.
Wow, bav, do you know you actually spelled antagonistic right? Holy smokes, Batman, that's diabolical. Let's have it, ladies and gentlemen, bav just started using a spell checker before posting! Come on, louder than that - we're talking a big step up for the guy. Yahoo!
Ok, calm down, not that loud - he still has to double check "there's" instead of "theres" and "You're" instead of "your" and... well, he's not on a par with the norm yet, but I do see improvement. It's nice to visit the forums without being forced to shift into 3rd grade "check this student's writing" again.
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And anyway why are you asking me these questions if your so sure of yourself?
I'm not the one that said he had "inside info" - you did, so I took the liberty to ask. Try not to be too hard on me, I'm American. "We're a liberty people".
Which one is the cheaper more affordable? The one that looks similar if not identical? That isn't a new, cheaper, and more affordable one, that is a refreshed 1st Gen.
And how do you know that? Are you asking me or telling me? Thats what I thought.
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Cheaper than smashing up an iPhone though.
Yeah true. But with a phone as expensive and elaborate as that insurance is a must.
And how do you know that? Are you asking me or telling me? Thats what I thought.
Was the MBP switch from Core Duo to Core 2 Duo the introduction of a new MBP? It was a refresh. So, yes, I am telling you that the same form factor and same price point is the same product. The form is what makes the product different. So you are already saying that there will be ONE new product. I'll let that slide because I don't think that they will announce both at MW '08 and that is where BOTH have to be announced within the same keynote for your name to stay the same. Bav, you baffle me. I can't wait to refer to you as asswipe or alwayswrong.
As I've said, LaEsperanza, bav's already earned the 2007 title. Hehe, what's to be baffled about? Start referring to him with the new name now. You should get some pleasure before he leaves the forums for good.
Just thinking out loud... any trash talking that will be done, should be done under the thread that proves the winning person correct. i.e. don't come back to this thread to trash talk the loser. Why?
1.) It's more fitting to do the bashing in response to the correlating proof.
2.) more people will see it if its under a new topic ... hahaha.
3.) This makes sure everyone knows where to bring their comments concerning this matter.
Just thinking out loud... any trash talking that will be done, should be done under the thread that proves the winning person correct. i.e. don't come back to this thread to trash talk the loser.
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Good idea, HyteProsector. Even if bav "wins", I'll still point out his terrible spelling and mashing words together - but otherwise I accept those terms.
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This is adding to the excitement of MacWorld 2008
I can't wait to see what Steve has in store for us. At the top of my list are the expected 3G iPhone, movie rentals through iTunes, 3rd party apps and the SDK, and quite possibly before the end of the year - copy/paste and using widescreen mode to read and type in Notes and email.
I'm also curious what Google has in store for us, indirectly, with it's new Google apps. They could very well establish a stronger link with Steve, customizing their online products for those using an iPhone, like they're trying to do with gmail.
Overall, 2008 is going to be, as Steve would say - "insanely great".
To add to that list you forgot GPS which coupled with the latest Google Maps 3d could make the whole experience a lot better, not to mention an improved camera with video recording capabilities. Iphone already excels in video playback, music and web browsing so its only right that they step into imaging. Infact some on here may remember not long after Macworld 07 there was a job vacancy posted for a position at Apple specialising in camera modules. Unless Apple is planning another venture into cameras, its a safe bet to say that we should see a 3.2 or even 5mp cam in future iphones.
Who cares about 3.2 or 5 MP. It's the optics that matter.
Thank you, another person who understands photography. 5mp with horrible glass is like a great QB with horrible receivers. It doesn't matter how good they are if their teammates cannot catch. Just the same, great electronics (for a phone) will not compensate for bad glass.
I didn't forget mentioning other features. I just stated what features were "at the top of my list". What's at the top of your list is up to you. As far as digital cameras are concerned, it seems Kodak recently released a new chip which dramatically increases light sensitivity and sharpness. As others have stated, the mp of a digital camera is not the only important quality - it's merely one of many.
I didn't forget mentioning other features. I just stated what features were "at the top of my list". What's at the top of your list is up to you. As far as digital cameras are concerned, it seems Kodak recently released a new chip which dramatically increases light sensitivity and sharpness. As others have stated, the mp of a digital camera is not the only important quality - it's merely one of many.
I'd love a great camera, but let me ask you this: if the iPhone was to be updated no matter what, would you rather?
1) A great camera
2) GPS
3) More memory
4) Lower price with same specs and development dollars spent on features like copy/paste and flash
5) Same price, new form
I'd love functionality first. Hell, I'd take GPS before upgrading it to 16GB. I didn't include 3G because it has already been announced for release once battery problems work out. Honestly, a camera would be great, but most pics that I take are of books that I want to buy online later or funny situations. For real memories, I won't use anything less than an slr or dslr.
I'd love a great camera, but let me ask you this: if the iPhone was to be updated no matter what, would you rather?
1) A great camera
2) GPS
3) More memory
4) Lower price with same specs and development dollars spent on features like copy/paste and flash
5) Same price, new form
Out of your five options, LaEsperanza, my choice would be #4 - copy/paste, not so much Flash. While I can code Flash I'm looking forward to what Apple has in store for us with the iPhone SDK. They also won't have to lower the price for me, as I always decide what I want first, the price is usually an afterthought. Of all the five, #4 seems to be software based, so Apple could add them in the current iPhone.
To me the features on a cell phone are just for times when I'm away from other devices. If I really want to record an event I'll use my digicam. If I really want to know where I am or how to get somewhere, I'll simply ask someone. If I really want to carry more than 4GB around I'll use DVDs or an external hard drive. If I really need copy/paste for a specific project I'll do it on a desk computer. The iPhone is what I use when away from my digicam, DVDs, an external hard drive, and my desktop.
I hope that answers your question, LaEsperanza. Overall I'm impressed with the iPhone and would have paid $1,000 for it. As a bonus, Apple priced it lower than that. Steve might convince me to buy another one - depending on what the new iPhone does.
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LaEsperanza, I agree with you about the number of products, but given the context some people define the iPhone as being two products now, a lower and a higher priced model, so I was just being careful. I need more "inside info" than his just stating two new phones, though. It's all in good fun - but I always keep in mind that it's not smart to enter bets with those that aren't going to live up to their end of the bargain, hehe.
Just answer the questions, "Know-it-all that in fact knows-nothing". Once again, just in case we need to go really slow for you, those questions are :
What specific features will make the two iPhones different other than price?
Will they look different than each other or different from the current iPhone and if so in what way?
What will the new software upgrade give us?
When will those new iPhone(s) be released, as in available, for us to buy and at what specific price range?
Do you have any questions to add, LaEsperanza? I've got the feeling all bav can come up with is "Hey, look at me, I'm a genius because I predict Steve will release two new iPhones next year".
I honestly only care about that previous quote of the cheap one and the "true successor." This means that they must look different from each other. If one looks the same or very similar to the iPhone, then it is okay, but one MUST look different.
He didn't call the 1.1.3, and I am still wondering if I am convinced, but that shows that he didn't see any software upgrades coming, just two new phones. He also previously stated that one would be announced in January (on the 15th) for Q4 sales.
Iphone 2 (3g version) will be announed in jan 08 and will be released Q4 08 to conincide with Nokias touch screen flagship model as well as SEs P5.
So this new competitor for Nokia and SE is probably going to be $500+. The other one MUST be below $399 as it is a more affordable one. I'll take $398 as cheaper, I am that convinced it won't happen. We just better see 2 phones announced. A cheaper NEW one (not the 1st gen that we have seen for 6 months) and the "true successor" that competes with the previous brands that will not be released until Q4. He has cornered himself in specificity regarding the form of the phones and the price of the phones. Now we just wait. I wish we could just bet an iPhone on this, but that'd be too hard to track.
Would we all agree that a MB, a 15" MBP, and a 17" MBP are 3 separate products? 4GB and 8GB were not two separate products, just more memory. It'd be like saying the 15" MBP with 2GB memory is a SEPARATE PRODUCT than the MBP with 3GB memory. Or a Mustang with a CD player is a SEPARATE PRODUCT than one with a CD changer. He said there would be 2 NEW phones and explained that one would be a nano-like (cheaper) alternative and the other would be the "true successor" to the iPhone. This means that we will see 2 new phones. 2 phones by Apple that are completely separate form factors just like the BlackBerry Curve is different than the 8800. He can't pull that crap because of previous discussion.
I am in this until the end. We all know Bav is a moron and it shows in his spelling, grammar, and obvious lack of knowledge. This is why I am hoping to never see the name Bavlondon again. He has agreed that the name he would forever post under in AI would be either AssWipe or AlwaysWrong. No semantics in this one, just two NEW phones that would be easily distinguishable from the naked eye.
Yes for the last time, 2 different products! And theres no need to go round name calling anyone moron. Your only digging your grave deeper with everyone of these antagonistic posts mate. :-)
Just answer the questions, "Know-it-all that in fact knows-nothing". Once again, just in case we need to go really slow for you, those questions are :
What specific features will make the two iPhones different other than price?
Will they look different than each other or different from the current iPhone and if so in what way?
What will the new software upgrade give us?
When will those new iPhone(s) be released, as in available, for us to buy and at what specific price range?
Do you have any questions to add, LaEsperanza? I've got the feeling all bav can come up with is "Hey, look at me, I'm a genius because I predict Steve will release two new iPhones next year".
The one that will be out in May will look very similar if not identical to the current one. The one to be released in Q4 2008 will look more different but only in the way of possibly an extra few external buttons.
Software upgrade you mean 1.1.3? I cant remember of the top of my head, but multiple sms.
First one will be out in May 08 and then Q4 08.
And anyway why are you asking me these questions if your so sure of yourself?
Yeah possibly but on the point of taking something else to the gym or to the pub doesnt that go against the whole "iphone status symbol in public" thing?
I actually said 'exercising'. Going to the gym is for idiots with more money than sense, so perhaps you have something there.
I usually use an old phone chucked in the back of my rucksack whilst mountain biking. An iPhone would get beat up in that kind of environment in no time at all. I can't imagine want kind of damage Yorkshire gritstone would do to the shinyness and in any case, the touch screen doesn't work with gloves on.
The one that will be out in May will look very similar if not identical to the current one. The one to be released in Q4 2008 will look more different but only in the way of possibly an extra few external buttons.
Which one is the cheaper more affordable? The one that looks similar if not identical? That isn't a new, cheaper, and more affordable one, that is a refreshed 1st Gen.
Ok ive got some major news. 2 new phones will be announced at macworld in Jan. One high end - the true sucessor to iphone and a cheaper more affordable alternative.
To be honest id find it a hassle to take my sim out and put it into a different phone several times a week.
Cheaper than smashing up an iPhone though.
Ok, calm down, not that loud - he still has to double check "there's" instead of "theres" and "You're" instead of "your" and... well, he's not on a par with the norm yet, but I do see improvement. It's nice to visit the forums without being forced to shift into 3rd grade "check this student's writing" again.
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And anyway why are you asking me these questions if your so sure of yourself?
I'm not the one that said he had "inside info" - you did, so I took the liberty to ask. Try not to be too hard on me, I'm American. "We're a liberty people".
Which one is the cheaper more affordable? The one that looks similar if not identical? That isn't a new, cheaper, and more affordable one, that is a refreshed 1st Gen.
And how do you know that? Are you asking me or telling me? Thats what I thought.
Cheaper than smashing up an iPhone though.
Yeah true. But with a phone as expensive and elaborate as that insurance is a must.
And how do you know that? Are you asking me or telling me? Thats what I thought.
Was the MBP switch from Core Duo to Core 2 Duo the introduction of a new MBP? It was a refresh. So, yes, I am telling you that the same form factor and same price point is the same product. The form is what makes the product different. So you are already saying that there will be ONE new product. I'll let that slide because I don't think that they will announce both at MW '08 and that is where BOTH have to be announced within the same keynote for your name to stay the same. Bav, you baffle me. I can't wait to refer to you as asswipe or alwayswrong.
1.) It's more fitting to do the bashing in response to the correlating proof.
2.) more people will see it if its under a new topic ... hahaha.
3.) This makes sure everyone knows where to bring their comments concerning this matter.
This is adding to the excitement of MacWorld 2008
Just thinking out loud... any trash talking that will be done, should be done under the thread that proves the winning person correct. i.e. don't come back to this thread to trash talk the loser.
...
Good idea, HyteProsector. Even if bav "wins", I'll still point out his terrible spelling and mashing words together - but otherwise I accept those terms.
...
This is adding to the excitement of MacWorld 2008
I can't wait to see what Steve has in store for us. At the top of my list are the expected 3G iPhone, movie rentals through iTunes, 3rd party apps and the SDK, and quite possibly before the end of the year - copy/paste and using widescreen mode to read and type in Notes and email.
I'm also curious what Google has in store for us, indirectly, with it's new Google apps. They could very well establish a stronger link with Steve, customizing their online products for those using an iPhone, like they're trying to do with gmail.
Overall, 2008 is going to be, as Steve would say - "insanely great".
...Unless Apple is planning another venture into cameras, its a safe bet to say that we should see a 3.2 or even 5mp cam in future iphones.
Who cares about 3.2 or 5 MP. It's the optics that matter.
Who cares about 3.2 or 5 MP. It's the optics that matter.
Thank you, another person who understands photography. 5mp with horrible glass is like a great QB with horrible receivers. It doesn't matter how good they are if their teammates cannot catch. Just the same, great electronics (for a phone) will not compensate for bad glass.
I didn't forget mentioning other features. I just stated what features were "at the top of my list". What's at the top of your list is up to you. As far as digital cameras are concerned, it seems Kodak recently released a new chip which dramatically increases light sensitivity and sharpness. As others have stated, the mp of a digital camera is not the only important quality - it's merely one of many.
I'd love a great camera, but let me ask you this: if the iPhone was to be updated no matter what, would you rather?
1) A great camera
2) GPS
3) More memory
4) Lower price with same specs and development dollars spent on features like copy/paste and flash
5) Same price, new form
I'd love functionality first. Hell, I'd take GPS before upgrading it to 16GB. I didn't include 3G because it has already been announced for release once battery problems work out. Honestly, a camera would be great, but most pics that I take are of books that I want to buy online later or funny situations. For real memories, I won't use anything less than an slr or dslr.
I'd love a great camera, but let me ask you this: if the iPhone was to be updated no matter what, would you rather?
1) A great camera
2) GPS
3) More memory
4) Lower price with same specs and development dollars spent on features like copy/paste and flash
5) Same price, new form
Out of your five options, LaEsperanza, my choice would be #4 - copy/paste, not so much Flash. While I can code Flash I'm looking forward to what Apple has in store for us with the iPhone SDK. They also won't have to lower the price for me, as I always decide what I want first, the price is usually an afterthought. Of all the five, #4 seems to be software based, so Apple could add them in the current iPhone.
To me the features on a cell phone are just for times when I'm away from other devices. If I really want to record an event I'll use my digicam. If I really want to know where I am or how to get somewhere, I'll simply ask someone. If I really want to carry more than 4GB around I'll use DVDs or an external hard drive. If I really need copy/paste for a specific project I'll do it on a desk computer. The iPhone is what I use when away from my digicam, DVDs, an external hard drive, and my desktop.
I hope that answers your question, LaEsperanza. Overall I'm impressed with the iPhone and would have paid $1,000 for it. As a bonus, Apple priced it lower than that. Steve might convince me to buy another one - depending on what the new iPhone does.