"...But with a diverse selection of mobile platforms ? including BlackBerry, Linux, Palm OS, Symbian, Windows CE, Windows Mobile, and now Mac OS X ? IT can?t be expected to support each and every operating system."
That's right, damn iPhone! IT was fine supporting BlackBerry, Linux, Palm OS, Symbian, Windows CE, and Windows Mobile, but OMFG iPhone is the last straw!
I can never trust a word I hear from Forrester Research. I do agree that the iPhone could have better exchange support and better data protection but Apple is not selling the iPhone as an Enterprise phone. Windows Mobile has its own security problems and I would not trust a plodding sysadmin with erasing my data remotely.
The reason the iPhone is so popular is that it is easy and fun to use. That is kind of hard to say about a Windows mobile device. Look, Word, coooool!
I don't know why folks make life so hard for themselves. After having every smart phone for the last 10 years the only thing that was consistent is the fact that they sucked. The iPhone is the worlds first functional hand held computer with an integrated cell phone. Given the physical constraints of the form factor Apple had to ditch the keyboard centric model for a new idea all together. The UI is a breakthrough that will not be fully appreciated by IT for a decade. I think that enterprises that don't embrace it do so at their own peril.
Welcome!
I couldn't agree more. In my experience the folks at my workplace who have gotten iPhones are more than happy to use the device despite any perceived limitations. The IT guys don't have to support them because users are actually able to use these phones and figure things out without a lot of hand-holding. I've never been as productive with another phone as I have been with my iPhone. The interface is so intuitive, everyone who tries it loves it.
[QUOTE=teckstud;1184186][QUOTE=Foo2;1184054]That's a pretty big IF. It just doesn't happen (something cool from Microsoft), so I'm not sure where you're coming from.
Perhaps you should take another look. Apple's products were sold for a profit from day one while MS' were not. Plus MS can't even maintain a lead on installed base of the 360 after a year long head start.
A lot or 360s are sold, but it's an open question whether the division can make a profit in the long term. So yes, it's certainly a success in terms of pushing boxes out (nearly 14M of them), but not a financial success for the company, at least not yet. IIRC, the only times MS sees a net profit from the division are the quarters that they release Halo. The model they worked from does work, but I think they pushed it a bit too far.
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Perhaps you should take another look. Apple's products were sold for a profit from day one while MS' were not. Plus MS can't even maintain a lead on installed base of the 360 after a year long head start.
Not leading in itself doesn't mean failure, but they do eventually need to make a consistent profit on it to make it sustainable.
Apple does have up-front costs that must be paid back, so if Apple doesn't push the volume they expected, it's possible for them to lose money. I think the gross margin on something like the AppleTV was tighter than their other products as well.
The Entertainment and Devices Division of MSFT (which consists of "Xbox 360 console and games; Xbox Live; Zune; Mediaroom; numerous consumer software and hardware products; Windows Mobile software platform; Windows Embedded device operating system; and Windows Automotive") had the following operating incomes for the past few years:
(According to separate reports, of the $2.066 billion in operating losses in FY2007, $1.89 billion is estimated to have come out of the Xbox division.)
The Entertainment and Devices Division of MSFT (which consists of "Xbox 360 console and games; Xbox Live; Zune; Mediaroom; numerous consumer software and hardware products; Windows Mobile software platform; Windows Embedded device operating system; and Windows Automotive") had the following operating incomes for the past few years:
(According to separate reports, of the $2.066 billion in operating losses in FY2007, $1.89 billion is estimated to have come out of the Xbox division.)
Your anaylsis is flawed.
I'm talking XBOX as a device as a success and your mixing in zune, XBOX devision, etc?
Would you mix in an AppleTV with an iPhone when discussing iPhone? Or an iPod HIFI when discussing a Nano's success?
I'm talking XBOX as a device as a success and your mixing in zune, XBOX devision, etc?
Would you mix in an AppleTV with an iPhone when discussing iPhone? Or an iPod HIFI when discussing a Nano's success?
He did say: "$1.89 billion is estimated to have come out of the Xbox division."
You seem to be comparing AppleTV and iPod Hi-Fi to other offerings by Apple. When you compare the AppleTV to other media extenders, or even the TiVo, the AppleTV appears to be the winner despite its codec and DVR shortcomings.
And at my old age I am smart enough to A) Not drink anyone's Kool Aid and Read between the lines when something is called "research" and published for the world to read.
In the case of B, I usually ask myself - who did this research? What is their expertise on the subject? Are they impartial and/or reputable? And most importantly - where do they get their funding? Who sponsored the research and did the sponsor have any agenda in doing so?
I think Forrester, in particular, has an easily researched (pardon the pun) track record and an example has already been posted above regarding Linux.
Nothing more to say on this - just would ask things be kept civil.
The whole notion of thieves, security, and the iPhone makes me laugh...
Like anyone stealing your iPhone is going to want ANY of your work data or contacts --
They want the music and videos. They could care less about who your contact is, what your calendar looks like, or how much money your company has invested in some stock or another.
Better yet -- they want to wipe your iPhone clean and sell it as fast as they can to the next con on the block who will then use it for THEIR music and videos...
Besides, this entire research project was funded by Microsoft...of course you get a "not good for enterprise" spin -- they want you to buy WM6 devices.
I like the concept that "it isn't that device XXXX isn't compatible with Exchange, it's that Exchange isn't compatible with device XXXX."
Absolutely. Instead of whining that the iPhone doesn't work with the proprietary Exchange, they should flush Exchange and replace it with open-source solutions.
I do not like IT people. At all. I have had enough of their Window-everywhere bullshit, which gives them job security because Windows crap is needing to be fixed 24/7.
Xbox 360 is pretty cool, and I had one until the dreaded red ring of death. They did fix it in their defense but I mean dam I dropped almost 400 on something that worked for 1 year. The design flaw is more disturbing to me however especially the fact that their new design is almost identical to the completely flawed one pertaining to the heat sink or lack of one for the processors.
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"...But with a diverse selection of mobile platforms ? including BlackBerry, Linux, Palm OS, Symbian, Windows CE, Windows Mobile, and now Mac OS X ? IT can?t be expected to support each and every operating system."
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That's right, damn iPhone! IT was fine supporting BlackBerry, Linux, Palm OS, Symbian, Windows CE, and Windows Mobile, but OMFG iPhone is the last straw!
The reason the iPhone is so popular is that it is easy and fun to use. That is kind of hard to say about a Windows mobile device. Look, Word, coooool!
I don't know why folks make life so hard for themselves. After having every smart phone for the last 10 years the only thing that was consistent is the fact that they sucked. The iPhone is the worlds first functional hand held computer with an integrated cell phone. Given the physical constraints of the form factor Apple had to ditch the keyboard centric model for a new idea all together. The UI is a breakthrough that will not be fully appreciated by IT for a decade. I think that enterprises that don't embrace it do so at their own peril.
Welcome!
I couldn't agree more. In my experience the folks at my workplace who have gotten iPhones are more than happy to use the device despite any perceived limitations. The IT guys don't have to support them because users are actually able to use these phones and figure things out without a lot of hand-holding. I've never been as productive with another phone as I have been with my iPhone. The interface is so intuitive, everyone who tries it loves it.
Have you ever heard of the XBOX?
Have you ever heard of the XBOX?
Must you defend the AppleTV and the AppleHIFI?
Ever hear of the "Red Ring of Death"?
Have you ever heard of the XBOX?
Must you defend the AppleTV and the AppleHIFI?
XBOX is a financial success while AppleTV and iPod HI-Fi are financial failures?
XBOX is a financial success while AppleTV and iPod HI-Fi are financial failures?
Duh? And it's like - huh, Friday?
Duh? And it's like - huh, Friday?
Perhaps you should take another look. Apple's products were sold for a profit from day one while MS' were not. Plus MS can't even maintain a lead on installed base of the 360 after a year long head start.
That's a pretty big IF. It just doesn't happen (something cool from Microsoft), so I'm not sure where you're coming from.
Ever hear of the "Red Ring of Death"?
No, is that like the "Sad Mac" icon on an iPod?
Duh? And it's like - huh, Friday?
A lot or 360s are sold, but it's an open question whether the division can make a profit in the long term. So yes, it's certainly a success in terms of pushing boxes out (nearly 14M of them), but not a financial success for the company, at least not yet. IIRC, the only times MS sees a net profit from the division are the quarters that they release Halo. The model they worked from does work, but I think they pushed it a bit too far.
Perhaps you should take another look. Apple's products were sold for a profit from day one while MS' were not. Plus MS can't even maintain a lead on installed base of the 360 after a year long head start.
Not leading in itself doesn't mean failure, but they do eventually need to make a consistent profit on it to make it sustainable.
Apple does have up-front costs that must be paid back, so if Apple doesn't push the volume they expected, it's possible for them to lose money. I think the gross margin on something like the AppleTV was tighter than their other products as well.
Duh? And it's like - huh, Friday?
'Duh' to you.
The Entertainment and Devices Division of MSFT (which consists of "Xbox 360 console and games; Xbox Live; Zune; Mediaroom; numerous consumer software and hardware products; Windows Mobile software platform; Windows Embedded device operating system; and Windows Automotive") had the following operating incomes for the past few years:
FY2005: $ - 464 million
FY2006: $ -1284 million
FY2007: $ -2066 million
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/report...fr_not_17.html
(According to separate reports, of the $2.066 billion in operating losses in FY2007, $1.89 billion is estimated to have come out of the Xbox division.)
'Duh' to you.
The Entertainment and Devices Division of MSFT (which consists of "Xbox 360 console and games; Xbox Live; Zune; Mediaroom; numerous consumer software and hardware products; Windows Mobile software platform; Windows Embedded device operating system; and Windows Automotive") had the following operating incomes for the past few years:
FY2005: $ - 464 million
FY2006: $ -1284 million
FY2007: $ -2066 million
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/report...fr_not_17.html
(According to separate reports, of the $2.066 billion in operating losses in FY2007, $1.89 billion is estimated to have come out of the Xbox division.)
Your anaylsis is flawed.
I'm talking XBOX as a device as a success and your mixing in zune, XBOX devision, etc?
Would you mix in an AppleTV with an iPhone when discussing iPhone? Or an iPod HIFI when discussing a Nano's success?
Your anaylsis is flawed.
I'm talking XBOX as a device as a success and your mixing in zune, XBOX devision, etc?
Would you mix in an AppleTV with an iPhone when discussing iPhone? Or an iPod HIFI when discussing a Nano's success?
He did say: "$1.89 billion is estimated to have come out of the Xbox division."
You seem to be comparing AppleTV and iPod Hi-Fi to other offerings by Apple. When you compare the AppleTV to other media extenders, or even the TiVo, the AppleTV appears to be the winner despite its codec and DVR shortcomings.
Yep - I am the same guy.
And at my old age I am smart enough to A) Not drink anyone's Kool Aid and
In the case of B, I usually ask myself - who did this research? What is their expertise on the subject? Are they impartial and/or reputable? And most importantly - where do they get their funding? Who sponsored the research and did the sponsor have any agenda in doing so?
I think Forrester, in particular, has an easily researched (pardon the pun) track record and an example has already been posted above regarding Linux.
Nothing more to say on this - just would ask things be kept civil.
Well said.
So let me get this straight: The iPhone is not secure because it's more convenient to leave them unlocked?
WHAT AN IDIOT!!!
this is one of the most basic features of any phone since at least 2000 why is it missing!!!!
AAAAARRRRRGRGRGRGRGHHHH
Like anyone stealing your iPhone is going to want ANY of your work data or contacts --
They want the music and videos. They could care less about who your contact is, what your calendar looks like, or how much money your company has invested in some stock or another.
Better yet -- they want to wipe your iPhone clean and sell it as fast as they can to the next con on the block who will then use it for THEIR music and videos...
Besides, this entire research project was funded by Microsoft...of course you get a "not good for enterprise" spin -- they want you to buy WM6 devices.
Absolutely. Instead of whining that the iPhone doesn't work with the proprietary Exchange, they should flush Exchange and replace it with open-source solutions.
I do not like IT people. At all. I have had enough of their Window-everywhere bullshit, which gives them job security because Windows crap is needing to be fixed 24/7.