I already posted this in another thread, but I believe the charge is because Apple probably has to pay licensing fees to the content providers for the maps, weather, stocks apps. I doubt Google just lets you have their Mobile Maps app for free. If you were on the web viewing these it'd be "free" with ads.
Give me a feaken break! Why exactly should these applications be free? I get tired of people thinking they should be given crap for free. Apple, like any other company is out to make money, period. They're not here to provide good will to consumers. I would hope you buy ANY product based on its capabilities at that time and not what you HOPE it will do at some point in the future. You're an idiot if you make purchasing decisions in that manner.
Yes, it would be nice for Apple to give away these applications for free, that doesn't mean they should have to. It's not like iPhone users got anything for free either.
Give you a "feaken" break. Ok, but no.
Let's put it like this then... You buy a car. A particularly expensive car. You pay over the odds for it since you like it so much and, let's face it, it's very swish and new - so who wouldn't!
Now, less than one month later, said car company gives any new owner of the same car a little bonus - they can now use their car to go backwards aswell as forwards - for free! They pay no extra charge.
Fantastic for people buying that new car today - but not for the poor people who bought it yesterday.
An absolute "feakin" anal probing for those die-hards that purchased the damned thing in the first place.
okay, i got the 1.1.3 update, so how do i customize my home page?
According to early reports, hold your finger on an icon until they all wiggle
Edit: I've updated mine. 1.1.3 on iPod Touch does not include home page rearranging or web clips. So i doubt it adds anything else listed for iPhone 1.1.3 either.
Let's put it like this then... You buy a car. A particularly expensive car. You pay over the odds for it since you like it so much and, let's face it, it's very swish and new - so who wouldn't!
Now, less than one month later, said car company gives any new owner of the same car a little bonus - they can now use their car to go backwards aswell as forwards - for free! They pay no extra charge.
Fantastic for people buying that new car today - but not for the poor people who bought it yesterday.
An absolute "feakin" anal probing for those die-hards that purchased the damned thing in the first place.
$20 for an upgrade.
Not good.
Jesus tapdancing christ, it's 20 DOLLARS, if you don't have $20, I'll loan it to you.
Christ, would you all like some cheese for your whine? Go sell your touches and get Zunes, Archos, or any other of a billion different PMPs on the market.
Let's put it like this then... You buy a car. A particularly expensive car. You pay over the odds for it since you like it so much and, let's face it, it's very swish and new - so who wouldn't!
Now, less than one month later, said car company gives any new owner of the same car a little bonus - they can now use their car to go backwards aswell as forwards - for free! They pay no extra charge.
Fantastic for people buying that new car today - but not for the poor people who bought it yesterday.
An absolute "feakin" anal probing for those die-hards that purchased the damned thing in the first place.
$20 for an upgrade.
Not good.
Analogies suck.
That car you bought last month had GPS data from 2007. Next month they GPS data in new cars gets 2008 data. Think you get that for free?
As I said, analogies suck. Everyone can come up with one that suits their particular world view, so why don't we stop it? Just state your world view, dont try to analogize it, because it doesn't make your point stronger.
It's free for iPhone because they make so much money on iPhone because of their crazy deals with the operators. iPod touch doesn't generate any money in that same sense so I dunno...
I still think this sucks though, because remember, this software update comes bundled with an OS and firmware upgrade, that is necessary to run their apps that will be sold on iTunes approximately a month from now that will generate a lot of money. Therefore Apple should show their good side and deliver this update free of charge as well.
But as someone here said earlier.. it could be that licensing thing...
Give me a feaken break! Why exactly should these applications be free? I get tired of people thinking they should be given crap for free. Apple, like any other company is out to make money, period. They're not here to provide good will to consumers. I would hope you buy ANY product based on its capabilities at that time and not what you HOPE it will do at some point in the future. You're an idiot if you make purchasing decisions in that manner.
Yes, it would be nice for Apple to give away these applications for free, that doesn't mean they should have to. It's not like iPhone users got anything for free either.
Your point might be more valid if the same/similiar software wasn't being offered to iPhone users for free. That's the part that stinks.
Now, less than one month later, said car company gives any new owner of the same car a little bonus - they can now use their car to go backwards aswell as forwards - for free! They pay no extra charge.
Fantastic for people buying that new car today - but not for the poor people who bought it yesterday.
First of all, like I mentioned, you'd be an idiot to buy a product that didn't function properly, or not as you would expect. A car that can't go in reverse? Why would anyone buy that? But an iPod that doesn't email? Well I would hope you didn't buy a music player hoping you send email with it.
That's the nature of progress. You cannot expect to be given new things for free just because you own an older product. This happens in ALL markets with all products, hardware and software.
For instance, I bought an Elgato USB TV tuner a couple a month ago, they just released a new version of their EyeTV software, should I expect to get that new version for free? It would be nice if it was, but I certainly wouldn't expect it.
It's not exactly free for iPhone users; iPhones cost $100 more, plus AT&T monthly charges.
But iPhone users were well aware of that. We were not aware that updates to existing software on the iPod touch (The Home Screen, Safari and the iPod Applications) were going to cost £12.99 bundled with other things we don't necessarily want.
Jesus tapdancing christ, it's 20 DOLLARS, if you don't have $20, I'll loan it to you.
Christ, would you all like some cheese for your whine? Go sell your touches and get Zunes, Archos, or any other of a billion different PMPs on the market.
Well I have $20 that is not the point.
The point is imagine, the Touch is the Macbook and the iPhone the Macbook Pro.
Now they both run the very same operating system. I mean identical.
Even in some of the warning messages on the iPod Touch it talks about me not having Edge when Wifi is not available. But the Touch does not even offer Edge.
The Warning message a simple Text is not even customized ofr the iPod Touch.
So int he beginning the Macbook Pro (iPhone) came with Mail, and Widgets, but the Macbook (Touch) did not have Mail, nor Widgets which was weird enough.
Now 4 month later you can buy for the Macbook (Touch Mail and widgets), would you pay $20 for a Mail application on your Macbook if a dozen are available for free? Obviously not. And if youdo well I guess thats everybodies choice.
But I don't pay $20 for a Mail application.
Especially since I know, that the Touch and iPhone run the very same OS and applications, and that Apple could have had these applications installed on the Touch from the very beginning.
Its almost like the iPhone price reduction, you just feel that you are so beng used by Apple and that they are sucking you for all that your worth.
Well I am definitely saying NO for now, I can already seeing this suddenly being a free update in some time.
And I don't need mail when I have mobile gmail in Safari.
What I would fine most upsetting though would be if I am forced to pay the $20 to get some other Application when they become available in Spring.
The point is imagine, the Touch is the Macbook and the iPhone the Macbook Pro.
Now they both run the very same operating system. I mean identical.
Even in some of the warning messages on the iPod Touch it talks about me not having Edge when Wifi is not available. But the Touch does not even offer Edge.
The Warning message a simple Text is not even customized ofr the iPod Touch.
So int he beginning the Macbook Pro (iPhone) came with Mail, and Widgets, but the Macbook (Touch) did not have Mail, nor Widgets which was weird enough.
Now 4 month later you can buy for the Macbook (Touch Mail and widgets), would you pay $20 for a Mail application on your Macbook if a dozen are available for free? Obviously not. And if youdo well I guess thats everybodies choice.
But I don't pay $20 for a Mail application.
Especially since I know, that the Touch and iPhone run the very same OS and applications, and that Apple could have had these applications installed on the Touch from the very beginning.
Its almost like the iPhone price reduction, you just feel that you are so beng used by Apple and that they are sucking you for all that your worth.
Well I am definitely saying NO for now, I can already seeing this suddenly being a free update in some time.
And I don't need mail when I have mobile gmail in Safari.
What I would fine most upsetting though would be if I am forced to pay the $20 to get some other Application when they become available in Spring.
Which doesn't even cover the fact that the features both share (The Desktop/homescreen, Safari, iTunes/iPod App(s) are updated free on the MacBook Pro (iPhone) but for cost on MacBook (iPod touch) - but the newer MacBooks came with those updates at no extra charge
@DaveyJJ: Yep. All the good stuff is in the App Pack and bundled on new ones
The point is imagine, the Touch is the Macbook and the iPhone the Macbook Pro.
Now they both run the very same operating system. I mean identical.
Even in some of the warning messages on the iPod Touch it talks about me not having Edge when Wifi is not available. But the Touch does not even offer Edge.
The Warning message a simple Text is not even customized ofr the iPod Touch.
So int he beginning the Macbook Pro (iPhone) came with Mail, and Widgets, but the Macbook (Touch) did not have Mail, nor Widgets which was weird enough.
Now 4 month later you can buy for the Macbook (Touch Mail and widgets), would you pay $20 for a Mail application on your Macbook if a dozen are available for free? Obviously not. And if youdo well I guess thats everybodies choice.
But I don't pay $20 for a Mail application.
Especially since I know, that the Touch and iPhone run the very same OS and applications, and that Apple could have had these applications installed on the Touch from the very beginning.
Its almost like the iPhone price reduction, you just feel that you are so beng used by Apple and that they are sucking you for all that your worth.
Well I am definitely saying NO for now, I can already seeing this suddenly being a free update in some time.
And I don't need mail when I have mobile gmail in Safari.
What I would fine most upsetting though would be if I am forced to pay the $20 to get some other Application when they become available in Spring.
Again, bad analogy. The iPod is a personal media player, and iPhone is a phone. If they'd left out Maps or Mail from the iPhone, then charged for their later implementation, then I'd understand the indignation. The iPod is for playing audio and video media, the addition of Safari and Youtube are wonderful bonuses, but it still doesn't make the iPod a phone/web device. Mail and Maps is useless without internet on demand, so it's a luxury to add them to the Touch. More importantly, developer fees are part of the $20, since the same developer licensing fees were absorbed in the initial price like all other cell phones. This way those of us who don't want/need this new stuff, didn't have to pay for it up front.
I will be gladly paying the £12.99 for the host of new features that are on offer which certainly were never listed nor implied in the original specifications. This is a huge capability uplift for a very small cost (although of course we're naturally paying more in the UK!).
Toyota have never offered me an upgrade on my car, Panasonic have never offered me an upgrade on our Home Cinema equipment. Thank you Apple for offering us this upgrade without having to buy new hardware.
One question though.... how does a WiFi router/hotpspot know where it is in the world to work with Maps????
Although I think the upgrade price is a bit steep, I agree that the extra features are worth paying something for. As someone else mentioned, you can't expect to get new software for old hardware, free of charge.
And you Americans certainly shouldn't be complaining because the Brits are paying more and the rest of Europe slightly more on top of that. My upgrade was 18 Euros which comes to 26.78 USD. I'm not complaining, just stating the facts. I'm also used to paying a European premium with Apple.
To answer your question. The Maps features works based on your position relative to cell phone towers. The company providing this service (Skyhook Wireless) are an American company currently doing a global scan of cell phone towers and wireless hotspots to provide services like this. I know because Steve mentioned it during the keynote and I did some driving/scanning for them in Belgium. Interesting job! And I feel I've contributed to this technology in a very small yet significant way.
It's not exactly free for iPhone users; iPhones cost $100 more, plus AT&T monthly charges.
What you are implying still does not make sense to me. Each product costs what its price point was set by Apple. It's a phone, it costs more than an iPod. Of course you have to pay monthly charges on it -- it's a mobile phone. What does that all have to do with a software update?
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Give me a feaken break! Why exactly should these applications be free? I get tired of people thinking they should be given crap for free. Apple, like any other company is out to make money, period. They're not here to provide good will to consumers. I would hope you buy ANY product based on its capabilities at that time and not what you HOPE it will do at some point in the future. You're an idiot if you make purchasing decisions in that manner.
Yes, it would be nice for Apple to give away these applications for free, that doesn't mean they should have to. It's not like iPhone users got anything for free either.
Give you a "feaken" break. Ok, but no.
Let's put it like this then... You buy a car. A particularly expensive car. You pay over the odds for it since you like it so much and, let's face it, it's very swish and new - so who wouldn't!
Now, less than one month later, said car company gives any new owner of the same car a little bonus - they can now use their car to go backwards aswell as forwards - for free! They pay no extra charge.
Fantastic for people buying that new car today - but not for the poor people who bought it yesterday.
An absolute "feakin" anal probing for those die-hards that purchased the damned thing in the first place.
$20 for an upgrade.
Not good.
okay, i got the 1.1.3 update, so how do i customize my home page?
According to early reports, hold your finger on an icon until they all wiggle
Edit: I've updated mine. 1.1.3 on iPod Touch does not include home page rearranging or web clips. So i doubt it adds anything else listed for iPhone 1.1.3 either.
Not cool Apple. Not cool.
Give you a "feaken" break. Ok, but no.
Let's put it like this then... You buy a car. A particularly expensive car. You pay over the odds for it since you like it so much and, let's face it, it's very swish and new - so who wouldn't!
Now, less than one month later, said car company gives any new owner of the same car a little bonus - they can now use their car to go backwards aswell as forwards - for free! They pay no extra charge.
Fantastic for people buying that new car today - but not for the poor people who bought it yesterday.
An absolute "feakin" anal probing for those die-hards that purchased the damned thing in the first place.
$20 for an upgrade.
Not good.
Jesus tapdancing christ, it's 20 DOLLARS, if you don't have $20, I'll loan it to you.
Christ, would you all like some cheese for your whine? Go sell your touches and get Zunes, Archos, or any other of a billion different PMPs on the market.
Give you a "feaken" break. Ok, but no.
Let's put it like this then... You buy a car. A particularly expensive car. You pay over the odds for it since you like it so much and, let's face it, it's very swish and new - so who wouldn't!
Now, less than one month later, said car company gives any new owner of the same car a little bonus - they can now use their car to go backwards aswell as forwards - for free! They pay no extra charge.
Fantastic for people buying that new car today - but not for the poor people who bought it yesterday.
An absolute "feakin" anal probing for those die-hards that purchased the damned thing in the first place.
$20 for an upgrade.
Not good.
Analogies suck.
That car you bought last month had GPS data from 2007. Next month they GPS data in new cars gets 2008 data. Think you get that for free?
As I said, analogies suck. Everyone can come up with one that suits their particular world view, so why don't we stop it? Just state your world view, dont try to analogize it, because it doesn't make your point stronger.
I still think this sucks though, because remember, this software update comes bundled with an OS and firmware upgrade, that is necessary to run their apps that will be sold on iTunes approximately a month from now that will generate a lot of money. Therefore Apple should show their good side and deliver this update free of charge as well.
But as someone here said earlier.. it could be that licensing thing...
Give me a feaken break! Why exactly should these applications be free? I get tired of people thinking they should be given crap for free. Apple, like any other company is out to make money, period. They're not here to provide good will to consumers. I would hope you buy ANY product based on its capabilities at that time and not what you HOPE it will do at some point in the future. You're an idiot if you make purchasing decisions in that manner.
Yes, it would be nice for Apple to give away these applications for free, that doesn't mean they should have to. It's not like iPhone users got anything for free either.
Your point might be more valid if the same/similiar software wasn't being offered to iPhone users for free. That's the part that stinks.
Now, less than one month later, said car company gives any new owner of the same car a little bonus - they can now use their car to go backwards aswell as forwards - for free! They pay no extra charge.
Fantastic for people buying that new car today - but not for the poor people who bought it yesterday.
First of all, like I mentioned, you'd be an idiot to buy a product that didn't function properly, or not as you would expect. A car that can't go in reverse? Why would anyone buy that? But an iPod that doesn't email? Well I would hope you didn't buy a music player hoping you send email with it.
That's the nature of progress. You cannot expect to be given new things for free just because you own an older product. This happens in ALL markets with all products, hardware and software.
For instance, I bought an Elgato USB TV tuner a couple a month ago, they just released a new version of their EyeTV software, should I expect to get that new version for free? It would be nice if it was, but I certainly wouldn't expect it.
Your point might be more valid if the same/similiar software wasn't being offered to iPhone users for free. That's the part that stinks.
It's not exactly free for iPhone users; iPhones cost $100 more, plus AT&T monthly charges.
It's not exactly free for iPhone users; iPhones cost $100 more, plus AT&T monthly charges.
But iPhone users were well aware of that. We were not aware that updates to existing software on the iPod touch (The Home Screen, Safari and the iPod Applications) were going to cost £12.99 bundled with other things we don't necessarily want.
Jesus tapdancing christ, it's 20 DOLLARS, if you don't have $20, I'll loan it to you.
Christ, would you all like some cheese for your whine? Go sell your touches and get Zunes, Archos, or any other of a billion different PMPs on the market.
Well I have $20 that is not the point.
The point is imagine, the Touch is the Macbook and the iPhone the Macbook Pro.
Now they both run the very same operating system. I mean identical.
Even in some of the warning messages on the iPod Touch it talks about me not having Edge when Wifi is not available. But the Touch does not even offer Edge.
The Warning message a simple Text is not even customized ofr the iPod Touch.
So int he beginning the Macbook Pro (iPhone) came with Mail, and Widgets, but the Macbook (Touch) did not have Mail, nor Widgets which was weird enough.
Now 4 month later you can buy for the Macbook (Touch Mail and widgets), would you pay $20 for a Mail application on your Macbook if a dozen are available for free? Obviously not. And if youdo well I guess thats everybodies choice.
But I don't pay $20 for a Mail application.
Especially since I know, that the Touch and iPhone run the very same OS and applications, and that Apple could have had these applications installed on the Touch from the very beginning.
Its almost like the iPhone price reduction, you just feel that you are so beng used by Apple and that they are sucking you for all that your worth.
Well I am definitely saying NO for now, I can already seeing this suddenly being a free update in some time.
And I don't need mail when I have mobile gmail in Safari.
What I would fine most upsetting though would be if I am forced to pay the $20 to get some other Application when they become available in Spring.
1.1.3 on iPod Touch does not include home page rearranging or web clips.
Ah shite, really? Darn.
Well I have $20 that is not the point.
The point is imagine, the Touch is the Macbook and the iPhone the Macbook Pro.
Now they both run the very same operating system. I mean identical.
Even in some of the warning messages on the iPod Touch it talks about me not having Edge when Wifi is not available. But the Touch does not even offer Edge.
The Warning message a simple Text is not even customized ofr the iPod Touch.
So int he beginning the Macbook Pro (iPhone) came with Mail, and Widgets, but the Macbook (Touch) did not have Mail, nor Widgets which was weird enough.
Now 4 month later you can buy for the Macbook (Touch Mail and widgets), would you pay $20 for a Mail application on your Macbook if a dozen are available for free? Obviously not. And if youdo well I guess thats everybodies choice.
But I don't pay $20 for a Mail application.
Especially since I know, that the Touch and iPhone run the very same OS and applications, and that Apple could have had these applications installed on the Touch from the very beginning.
Its almost like the iPhone price reduction, you just feel that you are so beng used by Apple and that they are sucking you for all that your worth.
Well I am definitely saying NO for now, I can already seeing this suddenly being a free update in some time.
And I don't need mail when I have mobile gmail in Safari.
What I would fine most upsetting though would be if I am forced to pay the $20 to get some other Application when they become available in Spring.
Which doesn't even cover the fact that the features both share (The Desktop/homescreen, Safari, iTunes/iPod App(s) are updated free on the MacBook Pro (iPhone) but for cost on MacBook (iPod touch) - but the newer MacBooks came with those updates at no extra charge
@DaveyJJ: Yep. All the good stuff is in the App Pack and bundled on new ones
Well I have $20 that is not the point.
The point is imagine, the Touch is the Macbook and the iPhone the Macbook Pro.
Now they both run the very same operating system. I mean identical.
Even in some of the warning messages on the iPod Touch it talks about me not having Edge when Wifi is not available. But the Touch does not even offer Edge.
The Warning message a simple Text is not even customized ofr the iPod Touch.
So int he beginning the Macbook Pro (iPhone) came with Mail, and Widgets, but the Macbook (Touch) did not have Mail, nor Widgets which was weird enough.
Now 4 month later you can buy for the Macbook (Touch Mail and widgets), would you pay $20 for a Mail application on your Macbook if a dozen are available for free? Obviously not. And if youdo well I guess thats everybodies choice.
But I don't pay $20 for a Mail application.
Especially since I know, that the Touch and iPhone run the very same OS and applications, and that Apple could have had these applications installed on the Touch from the very beginning.
Its almost like the iPhone price reduction, you just feel that you are so beng used by Apple and that they are sucking you for all that your worth.
Well I am definitely saying NO for now, I can already seeing this suddenly being a free update in some time.
And I don't need mail when I have mobile gmail in Safari.
What I would fine most upsetting though would be if I am forced to pay the $20 to get some other Application when they become available in Spring.
Again, bad analogy. The iPod is a personal media player, and iPhone is a phone. If they'd left out Maps or Mail from the iPhone, then charged for their later implementation, then I'd understand the indignation. The iPod is for playing audio and video media, the addition of Safari and Youtube are wonderful bonuses, but it still doesn't make the iPod a phone/web device. Mail and Maps is useless without internet on demand, so it's a luxury to add them to the Touch. More importantly, developer fees are part of the $20, since the same developer licensing fees were absorbed in the initial price like all other cell phones. This way those of us who don't want/need this new stuff, didn't have to pay for it up front.
I will be gladly paying the £12.99 for the host of new features that are on offer which certainly were never listed nor implied in the original specifications. This is a huge capability uplift for a very small cost (although of course we're naturally paying more in the UK!).
Toyota have never offered me an upgrade on my car, Panasonic have never offered me an upgrade on our Home Cinema equipment. Thank you Apple for offering us this upgrade without having to buy new hardware.
One question though.... how does a WiFi router/hotpspot know where it is in the world to work with Maps????
Although I think the upgrade price is a bit steep, I agree that the extra features are worth paying something for. As someone else mentioned, you can't expect to get new software for old hardware, free of charge.
And you Americans certainly shouldn't be complaining because the Brits are paying more and the rest of Europe slightly more on top of that. My upgrade was 18 Euros which comes to 26.78 USD. I'm not complaining, just stating the facts. I'm also used to paying a European premium with Apple.
To answer your question. The Maps features works based on your position relative to cell phone towers. The company providing this service (Skyhook Wireless) are an American company currently doing a global scan of cell phone towers and wireless hotspots to provide services like this. I know because Steve mentioned it during the keynote and I did some driving/scanning for them in Belgium. Interesting job! And I feel I've contributed to this technology in a very small yet significant way.
It's not exactly free for iPhone users; iPhones cost $100 more, plus AT&T monthly charges.
What you are implying still does not make sense to me. Each product costs what its price point was set by Apple. It's a phone, it costs more than an iPod. Of course you have to pay monthly charges on it -- it's a mobile phone. What does that all have to do with a software update?
I'm going to need to seem some proof
How about: I had updated my Touch to 1.1.3 and a little later bought the application upgrade before I made the post.
Your point might be more valid if the same/similiar software wasn't being offered to iPhone users for free. That's the part that stinks.
They were on the iPhone from the beginning.
They were on the iPhone from the beginning.
say what? what was from the beginning?