Didn't you read the item below in the article? You know, the one this thread is attached to? ... mr condescending
"For its part, Apple has announced its intent to offer a MacBook Air Out-of-Warranty Battery Replacement Program, which promises authorized replacements for US $129. The mail-in repair process normally takes 5 business days, the company says."
This means I have to give them the machine for 5 days if it goes out in warranty ... I've had 3 ipod batteries go out in warranty!
On the issues of bad decisions that is a matter of opinion ... and your opinion nor apples is not necessarily the correct one every time. Time will tell who is right when we look at sales 3-4 months from now. I think we have a newton/appleTV dog here. You must think apple will be satisfied with the rich "this is only an internet browsing e-mail machine" latte market. We'll see.
Unless Apple makes a correction to their own existing AppleCare Protection Plan the legalese stands. As of this post there is no provision in Apple's own damn legal documents. Blame Apple, not me. And since when does an AppleInsider article supersede Apple's own legal fine print?
Unless Apple makes a correction to their own existing AppleCare Protection Plan the legalese stands. As of this post there is no provision in Apple's own damn legal documents. Blame Apple, not me. And since when does an AppleInsider article supersede Apple's own legal fine print?
Good point. The reality is ... no one knows yet except apple. And they will not be in a hurry to clarify this.
I prefer this over a removable battery, when yours degrades and you goto buy a new one you may as well wait a few minutes while they install it for you.....no biggie.
On that next 18 flight without a plug-in, good luck swapping in a second, or third battery for use in your time.
There are some really good comments here and on other threads from power users who have used notebooks for years and have no issue with the battery on the Air.
The ruckus is coming from people for who the Air was not designed and thus wish to rip it in any way they can simply because they feel slighted that Apple is trying a new market.
See there's this concept... the right tool for the job.
I wouldn't say that was particularly fair. Okay, so he wants to be able to replace a battery because of his job. I know people who like the idea of the Air for travelling light on planes etc. On a plane not being able to change a battery could be rather frustrating.
Before you say "mains outlet", remember that most people may stretch to the price of a new laptop, but not First or Business.
Didn't you read the item below in the article? You know, the one this thread is attached to? ... mr condescending
"For its part, Apple has announced its intent to offer a MacBook Air Out-of-Warranty Battery Replacement Program, which promises authorized replacements for US $129. The mail-in repair process normally takes 5 business days, the company says."
This means I have to give them the machine for 5 days if it goes out in warranty ... I've had 3 ipod batteries go out in warranty!
Um...what part of the bit you quoted says that will be the only option and that there won't be any battery kits offered by third parties? That says that apple is offering a way to replace batteries, not that it will be the only way to get a battery replaced. And you really think the last word on IN warranty replacements will come from a program called "OUT-of-Warranty Battery Replacement Program"?
Apple offers a similar plan to replace iPod batteries...and yet there are third party alternatives.
There are some really good comments here and on other threads from power users who have used notebooks for years and have no issue with the battery on the Air.
The ruckus is coming from people for who the Air was not designed and thus wish to rip it in any way they can simply because they feel slighted that Apple is trying a new market.
[CENTER]Pure rubbish! Give real users a break[/CENTER]
Um...what part of the bit you quoted says that will be the only option and that there won't be any battery kits offered by third parties? That says that apple is offering a way to replace batteries, not that it will be the only way to get a battery replaced. And you really think the last word on IN warranty replacements will come from a program called "OUT-of-Warranty Battery Replacement Program"?
Apple offers a similar plan to replace iPod batteries...and yet there are third party alternatives.
To be honest I don't know. And that is a problem. I assume that if my battery goes out in warranty they may or may not replace it for free based on their policy ... either way I HAVE to use them because if anyone else unscrews it ... kiss the warranty goodbye. Is that a reasonable assumption?
To be honest I don't know. And that is a problem. I assume that if my battery goes out in warranty they may or may not replace it for free based on their policy ... either way I HAVE to use them because if anyone else unscrews it ... kiss the warranty goodbye. Is that a reasonable assumption?
If opening it voids the warranty, it must say that in the warranty somewhere.
Many apple products have things that aren't user serviceable. Does apple have any documentation on any of them saying that if the user does service them, it voids the warranty?
This discussion seems to come up every time apple releases something that has parts that aren't user serviceable, and the end result is usually that it doesn't void the warranty.
Trivial or not a user replaceable battery is vastly superior. Apple can design a thin laptop, but cannot design a user replaceable battery? What's wrong with this picture? I'm not up for the utter rubbish about how Apple could not incorporate it into the design. Rubbish.
You are absolutely right. The only reason they designed it like this is to tick you off. You see, they always wanted to tick you off, I don't really why, but that's what they told me.
If opening it voids the warranty, it must say that in the warranty somewhere.
Many apple products have things that aren't user serviceable. Does apple have any documentation on any of them saying that if the user does service them, it voids the warranty?
This discussion seems to come up every time apple releases something that has parts that aren't user serviceable, and the end result is usually that it doesn't void the warranty.
Apple is generally good about that ... for example I replace harddrives and memory frequently. However they told me (at apple store) I cannot replace the ipod battery myself or they would void the warranty. again ... i don't know.
$499 is kinda steep but you get a 130W-hours Valence N-Charge and Kensington adapter modified for use with a MB or MBP. That should last most flights along with your main battery.
Its a shame that Apple doesn't license the magsafe connector. It's also a shame that these external power pack companies don't just provide a airline powerjack type port to avoid the issue of providing the right tips.
[CENTER]Pure rubbish! Give real users a break[/CENTER]
Well, I guess the iPod line is a complete and utter failure. I mean, what on earth was Apple thinking when they made those batts built-in? Nobody will ever buy an iPod.
Same goes for the iPhone, which seems rather popular with CEOs and other big-wigs who are "real users" on a level different from you and me.
There are some really good comments here and on other threads from power users who have used notebooks for years and have no issue with the battery on the Air.
The ruckus is coming from people for who the Air was not designed and thus wish to rip it in any way they can simply because they feel slighted that Apple is trying a new market.
I am reading a lot more cons that pros on this product on every board I've been to. It would be more accurate to say people will live with the non-replaceable battery rather than "have no issue with it.
BTW the opposite is true for the other 4 items Jobs released at macworld expo. I love the new time capsule, i love that they added some cool apps to the iphone ... I will buy one when java and flash work on it ... I love how they fixed apple tv and added the rented movies to itunes ...
.... i see mainly pros and a few cons on all his other products ... but this product is getting flamed by mac users and enthusiests
Notice I didn't discuss numbers... I just remarked about comments from power users in the target market for the Air as opposed to those not in the target group. Those for whom the Air was designed will like it and buy it. Those for whom it was not designed will flame it for the sake of flaming.
Notice I didn't discuss numbers... I just remarked about comments from power users in the target market for the Air as opposed to those not in the target group. Those for whom the Air was designed will like it and buy it. Those for whom it was not designed will flame it for the sake of flaming.
This is generally true ... but I seldom flame. I would love to know what apples target market and sales estimates are. Is this for high end executives? Rich yuppies who can afford to go to starbucks 4 times a week? Who wants this?
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Didn't you read the item below in the article? You know, the one this thread is attached to? ... mr condescending
"For its part, Apple has announced its intent to offer a MacBook Air Out-of-Warranty Battery Replacement Program, which promises authorized replacements for US $129. The mail-in repair process normally takes 5 business days, the company says."
This means I have to give them the machine for 5 days if it goes out in warranty ... I've had 3 ipod batteries go out in warranty!
On the issues of bad decisions that is a matter of opinion ... and your opinion nor apples is not necessarily the correct one every time. Time will tell who is right when we look at sales 3-4 months from now. I think we have a newton/appleTV dog here. You must think apple will be satisfied with the rich "this is only an internet browsing e-mail machine" latte market. We'll see.
Unless Apple makes a correction to their own existing AppleCare Protection Plan the legalese stands. As of this post there is no provision in Apple's own damn legal documents. Blame Apple, not me. And since when does an AppleInsider article supersede Apple's own legal fine print?
Unless Apple makes a correction to their own existing AppleCare Protection Plan the legalese stands. As of this post there is no provision in Apple's own damn legal documents. Blame Apple, not me. And since when does an AppleInsider article supersede Apple's own legal fine print?
Good point. The reality is ... no one knows yet except apple. And they will not be in a hurry to clarify this.
I prefer this over a removable battery, when yours degrades and you goto buy a new one you may as well wait a few minutes while they install it for you.....no biggie.
On that next 18 flight without a plug-in, good luck swapping in a second, or third battery for use in your time.
If offered immortality I wouldn't give a rat's arse about the MacBook Air, or Apple for that matter.
Yes ... and some of us generally love apple products ... we just don't drink their cool-aid after every macworld expo.
The ruckus is coming from people for who the Air was not designed and thus wish to rip it in any way they can simply because they feel slighted that Apple is trying a new market.
Then it was the wrong tool to buy, wasn't it?
See there's this concept... the right tool for the job.
I wouldn't say that was particularly fair. Okay, so he wants to be able to replace a battery because of his job. I know people who like the idea of the Air for travelling light on planes etc. On a plane not being able to change a battery could be rather frustrating.
Before you say "mains outlet", remember that most people may stretch to the price of a new laptop, but not First or Business.
Didn't you read the item below in the article? You know, the one this thread is attached to? ... mr condescending
"For its part, Apple has announced its intent to offer a MacBook Air Out-of-Warranty Battery Replacement Program, which promises authorized replacements for US $129. The mail-in repair process normally takes 5 business days, the company says."
This means I have to give them the machine for 5 days if it goes out in warranty ... I've had 3 ipod batteries go out in warranty!
Um...what part of the bit you quoted says that will be the only option and that there won't be any battery kits offered by third parties? That says that apple is offering a way to replace batteries, not that it will be the only way to get a battery replaced. And you really think the last word on IN warranty replacements will come from a program called "OUT-of-Warranty Battery Replacement Program"?
Apple offers a similar plan to replace iPod batteries...and yet there are third party alternatives.
There are some really good comments here and on other threads from power users who have used notebooks for years and have no issue with the battery on the Air.
The ruckus is coming from people for who the Air was not designed and thus wish to rip it in any way they can simply because they feel slighted that Apple is trying a new market.
[CENTER]Pure rubbish! Give real users a break[/CENTER]
Um...what part of the bit you quoted says that will be the only option and that there won't be any battery kits offered by third parties? That says that apple is offering a way to replace batteries, not that it will be the only way to get a battery replaced. And you really think the last word on IN warranty replacements will come from a program called "OUT-of-Warranty Battery Replacement Program"?
Apple offers a similar plan to replace iPod batteries...and yet there are third party alternatives.
To be honest I don't know. And that is a problem. I assume that if my battery goes out in warranty they may or may not replace it for free based on their policy ... either way I HAVE to use them because if anyone else unscrews it ... kiss the warranty goodbye. Is that a reasonable assumption?
To be honest I don't know. And that is a problem. I assume that if my battery goes out in warranty they may or may not replace it for free based on their policy ... either way I HAVE to use them because if anyone else unscrews it ... kiss the warranty goodbye. Is that a reasonable assumption?
If opening it voids the warranty, it must say that in the warranty somewhere.
Many apple products have things that aren't user serviceable. Does apple have any documentation on any of them saying that if the user does service them, it voids the warranty?
This discussion seems to come up every time apple releases something that has parts that aren't user serviceable, and the end result is usually that it doesn't void the warranty.
Trivial or not a user replaceable battery is vastly superior. Apple can design a thin laptop, but cannot design a user replaceable battery? What's wrong with this picture? I'm not up for the utter rubbish about how Apple could not incorporate it into the design. Rubbish.
You are absolutely right. The only reason they designed it like this is to tick you off. You see, they always wanted to tick you off, I don't really why, but that's what they told me.
Number one hardware complaint with the iPhone: No user replaceable battery.
You are a frigg'n liar!
If opening it voids the warranty, it must say that in the warranty somewhere.
Many apple products have things that aren't user serviceable. Does apple have any documentation on any of them saying that if the user does service them, it voids the warranty?
This discussion seems to come up every time apple releases something that has parts that aren't user serviceable, and the end result is usually that it doesn't void the warranty.
Apple is generally good about that ... for example I replace harddrives and memory frequently. However they told me (at apple store) I cannot replace the ipod battery myself or they would void the warranty. again ... i don't know.
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$499 is kinda steep but you get a 130W-hours Valence N-Charge and Kensington adapter modified for use with a MB or MBP. That should last most flights along with your main battery.
Its a shame that Apple doesn't license the magsafe connector. It's also a shame that these external power pack companies don't just provide a airline powerjack type port to avoid the issue of providing the right tips.
[CENTER]Pure rubbish! Give real users a break[/CENTER]
Well, I guess the iPod line is a complete and utter failure. I mean, what on earth was Apple thinking when they made those batts built-in? Nobody will ever buy an iPod.
Same goes for the iPhone, which seems rather popular with CEOs and other big-wigs who are "real users" on a level different from you and me.
You are beginning to sound like a troll.
There are some really good comments here and on other threads from power users who have used notebooks for years and have no issue with the battery on the Air.
The ruckus is coming from people for who the Air was not designed and thus wish to rip it in any way they can simply because they feel slighted that Apple is trying a new market.
I am reading a lot more cons that pros on this product on every board I've been to. It would be more accurate to say people will live with the non-replaceable battery rather than "have no issue with it.
BTW the opposite is true for the other 4 items Jobs released at macworld expo. I love the new time capsule, i love that they added some cool apps to the iphone ... I will buy one when java and flash work on it ... I love how they fixed apple tv and added the rented movies to itunes ...
.... i see mainly pros and a few cons on all his other products ... but this product is getting flamed by mac users and enthusiests
Notice I didn't discuss numbers... I just remarked about comments from power users in the target market for the Air as opposed to those not in the target group. Those for whom the Air was designed will like it and buy it. Those for whom it was not designed will flame it for the sake of flaming.
This is generally true ... but I seldom flame. I would love to know what apples target market and sales estimates are. Is this for high end executives? Rich yuppies who can afford to go to starbucks 4 times a week? Who wants this?