<strong>It's quite sad to see how popular Entourage is and how only one or two posters are using Eudora. (But robo's use of Eudora has to count for more .) For my needs, Eudora (currently 5.1b21) is the only good solution. Eudora has powerful customizable filters. For my situation, Eudora deals with multiple accounts better than the other apps. Eudora has a simple Mac-like interface instead of the chaos of Entourage. Finally, Eudora stores messages and attachments separately in a stable and accessible format.
Eudora rules!
Escher</strong><hr></blockquote>
Are you working for Qualcomm now, Escher?
I currently use Outlook Express in OS 9, but am playing with OS X e-mail applications in anticipation of changing over. I don't really like any of the ones I've tried so far (Mail, Mulberry, Powermail, Eudora...), and mostly it's down to either the way they organize mail folders, the way they handle filters, or - most often - the way they look and handle. I spend more time in my mail app than any other, and none of the OS X apps feel... comfortable.
Also, and this is really annoying, not one of them can keep up with my typing. Grrr.
Belle: If the GUI apps fail, you can always install elm and use it from Terminal.
I use Mail. It's clean and straightforward, pretty well ironed out at this point, and I've convinced it to filter things pretty much the way I need them filtered - into subfolders. The (UNIX-) standard mailbox format doesn't hurt either.
I miss Green's ability to have filters trigger AppleScripts, but that can probably be added now that Apple is gung-ho about AppleScript.
The main thing I'd like it to be is less sluggish. There should be no reason on Earth for my word processor to be quicker than my email client.
I use Entourage v.X, but I'm seriously considering going back to mail. Entourage's IMAP features are buggy, and the whole thing is SLOW ( on a Dual 800 w/1GB RAM).
Entourage is more polished than Mail.app... I don't think there is a clear winner at the moment.
Entourage v.X at work on my iBook. Mail at home on our family iMac. Mail is very simple and does everything my family needs. I just don't find it has enough features yet for work.
If Apple could make the addressbook a little more powerful I would completely switch over to Mail.
<strong>I use Entourage v.X, but I'm seriously considering going back to mail. Entourage's IMAP features are buggy, and the whole thing is SLOW ( on a Dual 800 w/1GB RAM).
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i agree, entourage is pretty poor at IMAP, which is what i have at work. if it handled that it would be perfect. mail.app is better but doesn't have the features.
[quote] I spend more time in my mail app than any other, and none of the OS X apps feel... comfortable.
Also, and this is really annoying, not one of them can keep up with my typing. Grrr. <hr></blockquote>
Odd. I've seen other complaints of delayed typing in OS X, but I've never experienced it myself. Well, actually, it happens once in awhile when PPP is busy, but only for a few seconds.
Bell, are you on a modem? Old Mac? I'm on a G4 400 and no character delay when typing. It sounds like you've got something wrong with your OS X installation.
I suppose one of the reasons I don't like Mail.app is that I think drawers were one of the biggest interface mistakes to come from Cupertino. Also, I've had so much trouble deleting and moving messages with Mail in the past that I just got so frustrated I just didn't want to look at it any more. Plus, I have experienced enough of Madra's (from MacNN) problems with "Mail.crapp" that I too think it is the devil's bane.
I might try Mail.app again with a clean perspective... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Mail.app. It doesn't go all the way, but it's the closest I've gotten on X so far.
Some issues:
Slow message opening. A message takes from a split second to half a second to open. OE in OS 9 opened any message instantly. Maybe it has something to do with the format Mail stores the messages in.
No message threading. No way to know if the message you're currently reading is a reply to another message or not.
The Address book. Is weak in its implementation and should be better integrated in the app.
Not enough CMM items. Some that needs to be added are "Add sender to Address Book", "Send message again", "Reply to" etc.
Attachments suck. There should be a way to get a list of all attachments and what you want to do with them (open, save, delete), not the current badly implemented way to try and determine what filetype an attachment is and then integrate it in the message. Often looks like crap and causes a lot of trouble when you try to save the files.
Bold text for unread messages, hotdangit!
Ability to use multiple criteria for any message filter
I hate drawers
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of things I love about Mail.app (like auto-add any sent address to the Address Book, totally sweeet), but these are my most urgent gripes with its functionality.
[ 03-08-2002: Message edited by: Whyatt Thrash ]</p>
I use Entourage X. Mail.app didn't do enough, and I've just never liked using Eudora (I tried the X version, and meh, didn't like it). Thing I like about Entourage is being able to have everything from my Palm right in front of me. I'm sort of holding out until I can actually sync my Palm directly with Entourage again, but it's great to have all the info in front of you in one app.
I used to use Cyberdog and loved that so I was disappointed when I saw Mail. It is OK and I am dabbling with it now but I expected more. It is very good at some things such as rendering email in various formats and it renders Japanese well.
Mostly still using Musashi which is OS 9 only. As most of you know changing an email program is not something to take on lightly. I have thousands of messages from the last two years in my mail folders.
Currently investigating Mail, Powermail and Sweet.
Edit - Part of the problem is that the feature I want most is one I can't quite express. I'm thinking that I would like to click a button and the message would be exported via Applescript to FMP. Along the way the script would look at the sender, the cc list, the subject and maybe the first few lines then figure out which threads to save it in and copy it too.
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<strong>It's quite sad to see how popular Entourage is and how only one or two posters are using Eudora. (But robo's use of Eudora has to count for more
Eudora rules!
Escher</strong><hr></blockquote>
Are you working for Qualcomm now, Escher?
I currently use Outlook Express in OS 9, but am playing with OS X e-mail applications in anticipation of changing over. I don't really like any of the ones I've tried so far (Mail, Mulberry, Powermail, Eudora...), and mostly it's down to either the way they organize mail folders, the way they handle filters, or - most often - the way they look and handle. I spend more time in my mail app than any other, and none of the OS X apps feel... comfortable.
Also, and this is really annoying, not one of them can keep up with my typing. Grrr.
I use Mail. It's clean and straightforward, pretty well ironed out at this point, and I've convinced it to filter things pretty much the way I need them filtered - into subfolders. The (UNIX-) standard mailbox format doesn't hurt either.
I miss Green's ability to have filters trigger AppleScripts, but that can probably be added now that Apple is gung-ho about AppleScript.
The main thing I'd like it to be is less sluggish. There should be no reason on Earth for my word processor to be quicker than my email client.
<strong>Belle: If the GUI apps fail, you can always install elm and use it from Terminal.
I may have to.
But elm has its charms, and it's powerful. I used it on the UNIX boxen in college, and grew to like it.
Entourage is more polished than Mail.app... I don't think there is a clear winner at the moment.
last week i switched to x and oh my...i'll never look back. especially now that there's a very nice version of eudora
i'm a happy camper now.
[ 03-05-2002: Message edited by: Strangelove ]</p>
If Apple could make the addressbook a little more powerful I would completely switch over to Mail.
[ 03-05-2002: Message edited by: kcmac ]</p>
<strong>I use Entourage v.X, but I'm seriously considering going back to mail. Entourage's IMAP features are buggy, and the whole thing is SLOW ( on a Dual 800 w/1GB RAM).
</strong><hr></blockquote>
i agree, entourage is pretty poor at IMAP, which is what i have at work. if it handled that it would be perfect. mail.app is better but doesn't have the features.
Also, and this is really annoying, not one of them can keep up with my typing. Grrr. <hr></blockquote>
Odd. I've seen other complaints of delayed typing in OS X, but I've never experienced it myself. Well, actually, it happens once in awhile when PPP is busy, but only for a few seconds.
Bell, are you on a modem? Old Mac? I'm on a G4 400 and no character delay when typing. It sounds like you've got something wrong with your OS X installation.
I might try Mail.app again with a clean perspective... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Some issues:
- Slow message opening. A message takes from a split second to half a second to open. OE in OS 9 opened any message instantly. Maybe it has something to do with the format Mail stores the messages in.
- No message threading. No way to know if the message you're currently reading is a reply to another message or not.
- The Address book. Is weak in its implementation and should be better integrated in the app.
- Not enough CMM items. Some that needs to be added are "Add sender to Address Book", "Send message again", "Reply to" etc.
- Attachments suck. There should be a way to get a list of all attachments and what you want to do with them (open, save, delete), not the current badly implemented way to try and determine what filetype an attachment is and then integrate it in the message. Often looks like crap and causes a lot of trouble when you try to save the files.
- Bold text for unread messages, hotdangit!
- Ability to use multiple criteria for any message filter
- I hate drawers
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of things I love about Mail.app (like auto-add any sent address to the Address Book, totally sweeet), but these are my most urgent gripes with its functionality.[ 03-08-2002: Message edited by: Whyatt Thrash ]</p>
I tried OE back in the office 98 days. I hated it. After about a week i switched to Eurora, and i haven't looked back. Its a great email client.
what would be the most painless way to switch her over?
-alcimedes
Mostly still using Musashi which is OS 9 only. As most of you know changing an email program is not something to take on lightly. I have thousands of messages from the last two years in my mail folders.
Currently investigating Mail, Powermail and Sweet.
Edit - Part of the problem is that the feature I want most is one I can't quite express. I'm thinking that I would like to click a button and the message would be exported via Applescript to FMP. Along the way the script would look at the sender, the cc list, the subject and maybe the first few lines then figure out which threads to save it in and copy it too.
[ 03-08-2002: Message edited by: neutrino23 ]</p>