Perhaps they have more in mind with Screen Effects? Certainly, the screen avers don't really "save" your screen anymore. Even LCD "burn-in" is cured by leaving it off for 24 hours.
This talk of themes brings up another point I thought of. AFAIK, the Aqua HI guidelines have not been updated in anyway with the announcement of Jaguar. Considering that they're standardizing the brushed metal appearance by including it in Interface Builder, shouldn't they be writing new guidelines for its use to developers? I think it's important to keep tight control over this stuff, plus it might help us determine once and for all what the common denominator is for the metal apps.
ZO, it is so kickass to hear about the performance increase on your iBook! And this was all without Quartz Extreme, I assume, since OS X probably checks the video card, and "apparently" the Rage 128 can't do it (though from what I see their appears to some controversy over whether it may technically be possible.)
has anyone activated that function and could tell us more.</strong><hr></blockquote>I can't get it to work properly. When I log in as a user wih the simple finder, I get a narrow and tall (maybe 32 x 300 px.) empty window and nothing else. You can close the window with cmd-w, but can't really do anything Finder-related except for switching back to the "normal" Finder.
<strong>In the preview of springloaded folder (the mov)
i saw a VERY beautiful background picture - a variant of "Aqua Blue" that appears to have a brushed metal effect.
Would you send me that picture mayhaps, Starfleet?
Or anybody else? Thanks!!</strong><hr></blockquote>That's not anything special or new. What you are seeing is the standard "Aqua Blue.jpg" desktop, but the video compression is tossing in a bunch of horizontal artifacts, making it look a little different.
This is how it should be. Whenever you press a key that's not a modifier, the cursor should disappear until the mouse is moved. It's a good feature.
Amorya</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't mean the mouse cursor... I mean the 'text blinky thing'. Like when you type, there is the blinking cursor to indicate where you are in the document. Good lord, what the hell is that thing called! Anyway, lets say you are typing RIGHT now a reply, you see the blinking cursor. If then I use the position keys (up, down, left right) to move within the document, I see the position of the cursor. Its been this way in every text editor I have ever used and in OS 9, etc. OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving. That means I dont know if I am in the correct position in a sentence/word until I actually stop moving around... does this make any sense? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
has anyone figured out what the "Show Info" in the "Show View Options" menu does? Aside from spacing out the icons much more on the desktop, I dont see anything new. I even tried writing really long file names on some documents/folders and left the option on, but still cuts off at 2 lines. Must be a feature that doesnt work yet.
The Audio Midi Setup doesnt have any other prefs than the screenshot. You can notice the icon for it in the doc.
Btw, also notice that if you keep the dock on the right hand side, it doesnt push the icons away from it anymore!
Ummmm... btw, Jag is starting to go a bit loopy on me. I have files with one name opening as others. I had a, b, c, and d files... i opened a and instead it opened d, i opened b and instead a opened, etc.
Does anyone know if Jag has an 'expiry' date to it???
I don't mean the mouse cursor... I mean the 'text blinky thing'. Like when you type, there is the blinking cursor to indicate where you are in the document. Good lord, what the hell is that thing called! </strong><hr></blockquote>
The word you're searching for is 'caret' -- but certainly the word 'cursor' is often used to refer to the caret, so talking about this stuff is bound to get confusing at times. I suppose the confusion originates in pre-GUI days, when the text insertion point was called the cursor, and there was no mouse pointer to complicate the terminology.
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Anyway, lets say you are typing RIGHT now a reply, you see the blinking cursor. If then I use the position keys (up, down, left right) to move within the document, I see the position of the cursor. Its been this way in every text editor I have ever used and in OS 9, etc. OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving. That means I dont know if I am in the correct position in a sentence/word until I actually stop moving around... does this make any sense? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I know what you're getting at, and you have a good point. It's a problem with the control of the blinking of the caret. What should happen is that when you move the caret, the timing of its blinking should be restarted -- with the caret drawn. They've got the part about restarting the caret blink timing right, but they start the blinking in the wrong phase, so you have to wait for half of the blink cycle each time the caret moves to see the caret drawn again.
This invisibly moving caret problem should be easy enough to fix if it manages to come to the attention of someone who cares -- but getting someone to care when they have hundreds of other bugs to fix is the tough part.
[quote]OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving<hr></blockquote>
I filed a bug for this a long time ago, and it was flagged as a duplicate even back then. So Apple has known about this for a while (...and the jumping window bug mentioned in <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000739"; target="_blank">another thread</a>, which I filed a long time ago as well.)
I just filed a bug that exists in 10.1.4. When file-sharing, OS X doesn't know what to do with folders on other computers where there are files named either "." or ".."
File transfers just knonk out at that point. The problem's not major, but it would be nice if a dialog box popped up asking you to change the filename or whatever.
Would it be a good idea to create a thread that catalogs the bugs we find in Jaguar? The risk is that it will turn into some kind of flame war between the over-sensitive "It's only a beta!" crowd and the "OS X sucks!" groupies.
Could you get a screenshot or movie of "Flurry" please?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you run OS X, go to VersionTracker and look for Flurry. You can get it and its freeware. It makes some beautiful openGL based patters and 'flames' of sorts... its really great.
Not really a new feature, but disc burning works in Jag. It's a little flaky through disc copy, but it works. Also, when the burner is preparing it say "Charging phasers." I don't know if that will make into final, but it made me laugh when I saw it.
PHP is version 4.1.2 (same as 10.1.4, I believe). For some reason, the httpd.conf file was missing the addtype lines, but a copy of my 10.1.4 httpd.conf fixed the problem.
Netinfo manager is different. I'm not sure what's changed in it, but the menus have been moved around, so I suspect more functionality's been added, though I'm not sure where.
Airport BS software is version 4.0.4a. For obvious reasons, I haven't updated my BS to see what's different.
The search feature thorough the finder is absolutely wonderful. It splits the window and shows a path to the file in a nice, space-economical manner.
I'll post some other stuff that hasn't been covered elsewhere later.
I don't mean the mouse cursor... I mean the 'text blinky thing'. Like when you type, there is the blinking cursor to indicate where you are in the document. Good lord, what the hell is that thing called! Anyway, lets say you are typing RIGHT now a reply, you see the blinking cursor. If then I use the position keys (up, down, left right) to move within the document, I see the position of the cursor. Its been this way in every text editor I have ever used and in OS 9, etc. OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving. That means I dont know if I am in the correct position in a sentence/word until I actually stop moving around... does this make any sense? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
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This talk of themes brings up another point I thought of. AFAIK, the Aqua HI guidelines have not been updated in anyway with the announcement of Jaguar. Considering that they're standardizing the brushed metal appearance by including it in Interface Builder, shouldn't they be writing new guidelines for its use to developers? I think it's important to keep tight control over this stuff, plus it might help us determine once and for all what the common denominator is for the metal apps.
have you seen in that screenshot :
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/alphajd/accounts3.jpg"; target="_blank">http://homepage.mac.com/alphajd/accounts3.jpg</a>;
the simplified finder,
has anyone activated that function and could tell us more.
p.
The Midi Prefs sound interesting.
<strong>the simplified finder,
has anyone activated that function and could tell us more.</strong><hr></blockquote>I can't get it to work properly. When I log in as a user wih the simple finder, I get a narrow and tall (maybe 32 x 300 px.) empty window and nothing else. You can close the window with cmd-w, but can't really do anything Finder-related except for switching back to the "normal" Finder.
<strong>In the preview of springloaded folder (the mov)
i saw a VERY beautiful background picture - a variant of "Aqua Blue" that appears to have a brushed metal effect.
Would you send me that picture mayhaps, Starfleet?
Or anybody else? Thanks!!</strong><hr></blockquote>That's not anything special or new. What you are seeing is the standard "Aqua Blue.jpg" desktop, but the video compression is tossing in a bunch of horizontal artifacts, making it look a little different.
regarding that feature (services in the finder):
<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/jaguarfindersystemimages/findermenu.jpg"; target="_blank">http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/jaguarfindersystemimages/findermenu.jpg</a>;
has anyone tried to select a file and to email it using the finder/services/mail service?
P.
<strong>Annoying thing that remains: When you change the name of a file (on desktop for example) the cursor STILL dissappears
This is how it should be. Whenever you press a key that's not a modifier, the cursor should disappear until the mouse is moved. It's a good feature.
Amorya
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This is how it should be. Whenever you press a key that's not a modifier, the cursor should disappear until the mouse is moved. It's a good feature.
Amorya</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't mean the mouse cursor... I mean the 'text blinky thing'. Like when you type, there is the blinking cursor to indicate where you are in the document. Good lord, what the hell is that thing called! Anyway, lets say you are typing RIGHT now a reply, you see the blinking cursor. If then I use the position keys (up, down, left right) to move within the document, I see the position of the cursor. Its been this way in every text editor I have ever used and in OS 9, etc. OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving. That means I dont know if I am in the correct position in a sentence/word until I actually stop moving around... does this make any sense? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
The Audio Midi Setup doesnt have any other prefs than the screenshot. You can notice the icon for it in the doc.
Btw, also notice that if you keep the dock on the right hand side, it doesnt push the icons away from it anymore!
Ummmm... btw, Jag is starting to go a bit loopy on me. I have files with one name opening as others. I had a, b, c, and d files... i opened a and instead it opened d, i opened b and instead a opened, etc.
Does anyone know if Jag has an 'expiry' date to it???
While installing there were many more keyboard layouts that I have been asking for for a long time: cyrillic, hebrew, and arabic.
I hope this means that by the time Jaguar comes out in September we will also see Hebrew, Arabic and Eastern European/Russian language support.
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I don't mean the mouse cursor... I mean the 'text blinky thing'. Like when you type, there is the blinking cursor to indicate where you are in the document. Good lord, what the hell is that thing called! </strong><hr></blockquote>
The word you're searching for is 'caret' -- but certainly the word 'cursor' is often used to refer to the caret, so talking about this stuff is bound to get confusing at times. I suppose the confusion originates in pre-GUI days, when the text insertion point was called the cursor, and there was no mouse pointer to complicate the terminology.
[quote]<strong>
Anyway, lets say you are typing RIGHT now a reply, you see the blinking cursor. If then I use the position keys (up, down, left right) to move within the document, I see the position of the cursor. Its been this way in every text editor I have ever used and in OS 9, etc. OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving. That means I dont know if I am in the correct position in a sentence/word until I actually stop moving around... does this make any sense? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I know what you're getting at, and you have a good point. It's a problem with the control of the blinking of the caret. What should happen is that when you move the caret, the timing of its blinking should be restarted -- with the caret drawn. They've got the part about restarting the caret blink timing right, but they start the blinking in the wrong phase, so you have to wait for half of the blink cycle each time the caret moves to see the caret drawn again.
This invisibly moving caret problem should be easy enough to fix if it manages to come to the attention of someone who cares -- but getting someone to care when they have hundreds of other bugs to fix is the tough part.
[ 05-12-2002: Message edited by: shetline ]</p>
Off I go to Apple Feedback to bitch n gripe.
BTW, has NO ONE else noticed this?? It drives me completely nuts.
I filed a bug for this a long time ago, and it was flagged as a duplicate even back then. So Apple has known about this for a while (...and the jumping window bug mentioned in <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000739"; target="_blank">another thread</a>, which I filed a long time ago as well.)
[ 05-12-2002: Message edited by: John ]</p>
File transfers just knonk out at that point. The problem's not major, but it would be nice if a dialog box popped up asking you to change the filename or whatever.
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But we DO get a new, really nice, Cosmos (planets, space, etc) screensaver and Flurry is also included (one of the best screen savers around).
Btw, ScreenSavers has been renamed "Screen Effects"
Could you get a screenshot or movie of "Flurry" please?
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Could you get a screenshot or movie of "Flurry" please?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you run OS X, go to VersionTracker and look for Flurry. You can get it and its freeware. It makes some beautiful openGL based patters and 'flames' of sorts... its really great.
VT Page: <a href="http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11393&db=mac"; target="_blank">http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11393&db=mac</a>;
Dev page: <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/calumr/"; target="_blank">http://homepage.mac.com/calumr/</a>;
Screenshot:
PHP is version 4.1.2 (same as 10.1.4, I believe). For some reason, the httpd.conf file was missing the addtype lines, but a copy of my 10.1.4 httpd.conf fixed the problem.
Netinfo manager is different. I'm not sure what's changed in it, but the menus have been moved around, so I suspect more functionality's been added, though I'm not sure where.
Airport BS software is version 4.0.4a. For obvious reasons, I haven't updated my BS to see what's different.
The search feature thorough the finder is absolutely wonderful. It splits the window and shows a path to the file in a nice, space-economical manner.
I'll post some other stuff that hasn't been covered elsewhere later.
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I don't mean the mouse cursor... I mean the 'text blinky thing'. Like when you type, there is the blinking cursor to indicate where you are in the document. Good lord, what the hell is that thing called! Anyway, lets say you are typing RIGHT now a reply, you see the blinking cursor. If then I use the position keys (up, down, left right) to move within the document, I see the position of the cursor. Its been this way in every text editor I have ever used and in OS 9, etc. OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving. That means I dont know if I am in the correct position in a sentence/word until I actually stop moving around... does this make any sense? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh, I get it. You're right, that's stupid.
BTW, I think it's called an intersection point.
Amorya