uuuuuuu, an exclusive report! From the same folks who said the Mini was dead.
My thoughts exactly.
Anyone notice that the title says a source confirmed a new Newton is coming but the source didn't say that?
C'mon Appleinsider, stop messing around and just report intel exec said the new phone has intel inside. Quit making stuff up to butch up your reports in September and December that haven't come true......
"People don't read anymore." They don't read any less, either. I think he was being dismissive to lower the hype.\
Probably.
But kids are reading Manga, and other comics these days. If you go to B&N, you will see the SF section, and teen sections shrunken a good deal. It's been replaced by Manga. Lots of it. Just big comic books.
Ok, I've held my tongue on the tablet idea for too long, and can't keep shut up. The one feature I most want to see in any tablet by Apple is, here it comes.....
A freaking graphing calculator to kick Texas Instrument's butts.
Ah, feels good to let that out. TI, along with Casio, HP, and any of the other lackluster calculator makers, have been dragging their heels for years. They are selling calculators with absurdly slow processors, horribly low resolution mono-chrome displays, tiny amounts of ram, and lousy interfaces, for hundreds of dollars, when a simple PDA can do just as much, and far faster and prettier, for less. The key thing PDAs are lacking are the interface, some screen real estate, and, critically, a software package.
I personally feel that a nice 8" or so display, coupled with Multitouch, and a custom program by someone like Maple, or EVEN Apple, would be able to quickly dominate the education calculator market. I know many engineering students at my school who drop $200 on what is little more than a vax terminal. The 3d graphing is hideously slow, and the display resolution lousy. The whole device is about the size that a Tablet would be, but the screen takes up only about 1/4 of it. I would gladly pay $600 for a mobile device that size that gives me not only a high quality calculator, but also basic document viewing (spreadsheet, presentation, wp, pdf, etc), wireless internet and email, and media playing ability (ipod functionality). Throw in GPS, and I'd take a loan out for it. That, to my mind, would be the most fully integrated device possible, short of adding a phone to it, and would take me down from 3 or 4 things I have to carry around, to one.
As Steve Tyler said, "Dream On".
Wow.... limply spoken.
As an EIT recipient in Mechancial Engineering that Calculator is inadmissible to any ABET accredited EIT/PE examination process.
Basic non-graphic Scientific Calculators like the RPN of HP and Casio or TI are about all you need when you have already reduced your unsolved variables to basic units conversion status.
The HP 28S was always a bragging point with friends in M.E., yet I finished my EIT examination first and had no worries about passing the state examinations.
The farther along in one's undergraduate/graduate work the less you use a calculator as you are improving your "Best Engineering Judgement" and reducing your unknowns to a bare minimum, before you bother to crunch away.
When you really need serious data input you aren't using a calculator, but much more advanced Numerical Analysis tools; and even then your need to resolve eigenvectors in FEA/FEM comes down once again to applying your brain to theory and application and using the computer to resolve the heavy lifting of the variables you just don't want to take the time to reduce further.
But to each their own.
A beautifully improved graphing calculator that can access databases of data points to be used across various fields of Science is just a pipe dream.
A Maple solution from Apple is nice, but leave that up to MapleSoft.
Apple working with companies like ANSYS or Pro/E from Parametric Technology Corporation would get me to buy two or more of these systems with a packaged deal on a Mac Pro, but that's just me livin' in a fantasy--it will never happen.
As an EIT recipient in Mechancial Engineering that Calculator is inadmissible to any ABET accredited EIT/PE examination process.
Basic non-graphic Scientific Calculators like the RPN of HP and Casio or TI are about all you need when you have already reduced your unsolved variables to basic units conversion status.
The HP 28S was always a bragging point with friends in M.E., yet I finished my EIT examination first and had no worries about passing the state examinations.
The farther along in one's undergraduate/graduate work the less you use a calculator as you are improving your "Best Engineering Judgement" and reducing your unknowns to a bare minimum, before you bother to crunch away.
When you really need serious data input you aren't using a calculator, but much more advanced Numerical Analysis tools; and even then your need to resolve eigenvectors in FEA/FEM comes down once again to applying your brain to theory and application and using the computer to resolve the heavy lifting of the variables you just don't want to take the time to reduce further.
But to each their own.
A beautifully improved graphing calculator that can access databases of data points to be used across various fields of Science is just a pipe dream.
A Maple solution from Apple is nice, but leave that up to MapleSoft.
Apple working with companies like ANSYS or Pro/E from Parametric Technology Corporation would get me to buy two or more of these systems with a packaged deal on a Mac Pro, but that's just me livin' in a fantasy--it will never happen.
Good point about the exams. I'd forgotten that part. Still, that doesn't excuse the lameness of the graphics and processing power of the ti89, which is what I use right now. Also, I have a different perspective, as a physics major. I want a device that can do not only the simple stuff, but which I can do more advanced modeling on too. Hence the desire for maple. Maple can handle MOST of the stuff I run into on a regular basis. If it needs to be coded by hand, then it's beyond the scope of any calculator anyway, and I'm back to XCode. But for the casual calculations, especially symbolic stuff, a good CAS calculator is nice. If they didn't all suck, that is. Oh, and the plotting. That's a big one. I want to see graphs in full color while I'm sitting in class, damnit.
I'd be interested in any larger iPhones and or tablets, if well implemented.
Just using my touch around the house with wifi to browse the net etc, I can't help but see huge potential in tablets, maybe not for serious photoshop work etc, but for email/web it's rather cool.
So if they add copy and paste that would solve this argument then? Ok, be patient then.
You really don't get it, do you? The Newton was never a PDA, as defined by Palm. It was a UMPC, a stand-alone computer. Too stand-alone, as it turned out.
The iPhone has the potential to become a functional replacement for the Newton, but right now, today, and for the past year, it hasn't even been close. I fully expect it will meet and then exceed the Newton, but it hasn't *yet*... and if you think slapping copy/paste onto the iPhone is going to solve it, you're sadly mistaken.
I can only assume you are speaking from a position of complete ignorance when it comes to the Newton, otherwise you wouldn't be making such silly statements.
"Einen MID kann man sich vorstellen wie ein iPhone, nur mit einem etwas größeren Display."
(Translation: "an MID looks pretty much like an iPhone, only with a bigger display.)
that was the only time he ever mentioned the iPhone. he was talking about atom-chips in MIDs, not in iPhones. but someone in the audience lacked the talent of listening carefully... an you wrote that nonsens, as did many others.
If this comment by Roman on Seth Weintraub's Computerworld blog is correct then the Intel exec gets to live another day and this thread dies a natural death.
Because I am always impressed by how rare (and difficult) disciplined strategy execution is. (As a student of management practice, I always expect some of these other well-known companies to share that trait, but they rarely seem to. It is a trait that continues to set Apple apart).
Maybe the part of who talks, says what and when is is part of the strategy. I really doubt so many organizations would violate NDA like that.
Oh, you mean name it something like an XDA 7230-A?
Branding is important. Simple branding is highly important.
That's not what I mean. Branding is important, but the names that they dropped in favor of "Mac"-naming convention were better in my opinion. They weren't gauche sledgehammer-style branding of putting three specific letters into the name of every single product of that type.
That's not what I mean. Branding is important, but the names that they dropped in favor of "Mac"-naming convention were better in my opinion. They weren't gauche sledgehammer-style branding of putting three specific letters into the name of every single product of that type.
Yeah, that's a full 200% worse than putting a single letter into every name of every single product of, um, all types for a while there... iMac, iTunes, iLife, iWork, iPod, iPhone...
And the only machines that were renamed were the iBook and PowerBook, to MacBook and MacBook Pro. I have a fondness for the old names too, but they're Macs. Don't forget that most of the world is pretty Mac-ignorant. Getting the Mac brand out there is important, and it helps differentiate the larger product lines... an iPod and an iBook sound like they have more in common than an iBook and a PowerMac, wouldn't you say?
I've noticed the same thing. This includes dentists ("I am not an anti-dentite!") and general practice doctors offices. These folks are finally catching up.
Heh, I'm not sure we are agreeing. I think we are.
Anyway my point was that the popularity of slates is on the decline. Slates are great for note taking freehand and kinda bad for everything else. The freehand notes also has to translate to text cleanly which has been a problem. That's largely why they switched...couple traditionally bad doctor scribbles to so-so OCR and you had the receiptionist re-keying in notes and other info. That sure didn't speed things up.
Now the doc just types it in and everyone, including him or her, can read it.
A good dock is required or a convertible for a useful UMPC vs PDA IMHO.
You really don't get it, do you? The Newton was never a PDA, as defined by Palm. It was a UMPC, a stand-alone computer. Too stand-alone, as it turned out.
The iPhone has the potential to become a functional replacement for the Newton, but right now, today, and for the past year, it hasn't even been close. I fully expect it will meet and then exceed the Newton, but it hasn't *yet*... and if you think slapping copy/paste onto the iPhone is going to solve it, you're sadly mistaken.
Yah...the iPhone has a little way to go before then but the SDK should help greatly although there are some things only Apple can do.
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I can only assume you are speaking from a position of complete ignorance when it comes to the Newton, otherwise you wouldn't be making such silly statements.
Yah...the iPhone has a little way to go before then but the SDK should help greatly although there are some things only Apple can do.
Agreed, and agreed. Third-party apps will help fill a lot of gaps, but the basic UI functionality, local data storage, and such core pieces, have to come from Apple. I'm eager to see what they provide for devs to leverage.
He probably got Steve Job's approval before he spoke. Remember Apple cannot say anything, but that never means they cannot give permission to someone else to talk.
What? apple can say whatever they like.
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore
"People don't read anymore." They don't read any less, either. I think he was being dismissive to lower the hype.\
In fact, they do read more. Annual book sales passed $17bn and are continuing to rise.
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uuuuuuu, an exclusive report! From the same folks who said the Mini was dead.
My thoughts exactly.
Anyone notice that the title says a source confirmed a new Newton is coming but the source didn't say that?
C'mon Appleinsider, stop messing around and just report intel exec said the new phone has intel inside. Quit making stuff up to butch up your reports in September and December that haven't come true......
"People don't read anymore." They don't read any less, either. I think he was being dismissive to lower the hype.
Probably.
But kids are reading Manga, and other comics these days. If you go to B&N, you will see the SF section, and teen sections shrunken a good deal. It's been replaced by Manga. Lots of it. Just big comic books.
?comic books.
Digital comics, another market the tablet would be a good fit for?
Digital comics, another market the tablet would be a good fit for?
It's a sad thought.
Would you like to lie down on my couch? We can talk.
The doctor is in.
<snicker>
Ok, I've held my tongue on the tablet idea for too long, and can't keep shut up. The one feature I most want to see in any tablet by Apple is, here it comes.....
A freaking graphing calculator to kick Texas Instrument's butts.
Ah, feels good to let that out. TI, along with Casio, HP, and any of the other lackluster calculator makers, have been dragging their heels for years. They are selling calculators with absurdly slow processors, horribly low resolution mono-chrome displays, tiny amounts of ram, and lousy interfaces, for hundreds of dollars, when a simple PDA can do just as much, and far faster and prettier, for less. The key thing PDAs are lacking are the interface, some screen real estate, and, critically, a software package.
I personally feel that a nice 8" or so display, coupled with Multitouch, and a custom program by someone like Maple, or EVEN Apple, would be able to quickly dominate the education calculator market. I know many engineering students at my school who drop $200 on what is little more than a vax terminal. The 3d graphing is hideously slow, and the display resolution lousy. The whole device is about the size that a Tablet would be, but the screen takes up only about 1/4 of it. I would gladly pay $600 for a mobile device that size that gives me not only a high quality calculator, but also basic document viewing (spreadsheet, presentation, wp, pdf, etc), wireless internet and email, and media playing ability (ipod functionality). Throw in GPS, and I'd take a loan out for it. That, to my mind, would be the most fully integrated device possible, short of adding a phone to it, and would take me down from 3 or 4 things I have to carry around, to one.
As Steve Tyler said, "Dream On".
Wow.... limply spoken.
As an EIT recipient in Mechancial Engineering that Calculator is inadmissible to any ABET accredited EIT/PE examination process.
Basic non-graphic Scientific Calculators like the RPN of HP and Casio or TI are about all you need when you have already reduced your unsolved variables to basic units conversion status.
The HP 28S was always a bragging point with friends in M.E., yet I finished my EIT examination first and had no worries about passing the state examinations.
The farther along in one's undergraduate/graduate work the less you use a calculator as you are improving your "Best Engineering Judgement" and reducing your unknowns to a bare minimum, before you bother to crunch away.
When you really need serious data input you aren't using a calculator, but much more advanced Numerical Analysis tools; and even then your need to resolve eigenvectors in FEA/FEM comes down once again to applying your brain to theory and application and using the computer to resolve the heavy lifting of the variables you just don't want to take the time to reduce further.
But to each their own.
A beautifully improved graphing calculator that can access databases of data points to be used across various fields of Science is just a pipe dream.
A Maple solution from Apple is nice, but leave that up to MapleSoft.
Apple working with companies like ANSYS or Pro/E from Parametric Technology Corporation would get me to buy two or more of these systems with a packaged deal on a Mac Pro, but that's just me livin' in a fantasy--it will never happen.
Wow.... limply spoken.
As an EIT recipient in Mechancial Engineering that Calculator is inadmissible to any ABET accredited EIT/PE examination process.
Basic non-graphic Scientific Calculators like the RPN of HP and Casio or TI are about all you need when you have already reduced your unsolved variables to basic units conversion status.
The HP 28S was always a bragging point with friends in M.E., yet I finished my EIT examination first and had no worries about passing the state examinations.
The farther along in one's undergraduate/graduate work the less you use a calculator as you are improving your "Best Engineering Judgement" and reducing your unknowns to a bare minimum, before you bother to crunch away.
When you really need serious data input you aren't using a calculator, but much more advanced Numerical Analysis tools; and even then your need to resolve eigenvectors in FEA/FEM comes down once again to applying your brain to theory and application and using the computer to resolve the heavy lifting of the variables you just don't want to take the time to reduce further.
But to each their own.
A beautifully improved graphing calculator that can access databases of data points to be used across various fields of Science is just a pipe dream.
A Maple solution from Apple is nice, but leave that up to MapleSoft.
Apple working with companies like ANSYS or Pro/E from Parametric Technology Corporation would get me to buy two or more of these systems with a packaged deal on a Mac Pro, but that's just me livin' in a fantasy--it will never happen.
Good point about the exams. I'd forgotten that part. Still, that doesn't excuse the lameness of the graphics and processing power of the ti89, which is what I use right now. Also, I have a different perspective, as a physics major. I want a device that can do not only the simple stuff, but which I can do more advanced modeling on too. Hence the desire for maple. Maple can handle MOST of the stuff I run into on a regular basis. If it needs to be coded by hand, then it's beyond the scope of any calculator anyway, and I'm back to XCode. But for the casual calculations, especially symbolic stuff, a good CAS calculator is nice. If they didn't all suck, that is. Oh, and the plotting. That's a big one. I want to see graphs in full color while I'm sitting in class, damnit.
Just using my touch around the house with wifi to browse the net etc, I can't help but see huge potential in tablets, maybe not for serious photoshop work etc, but for email/web it's rather cool.
So if they add copy and paste that would solve this argument then? Ok, be patient then.
You really don't get it, do you? The Newton was never a PDA, as defined by Palm. It was a UMPC, a stand-alone computer. Too stand-alone, as it turned out.
The iPhone has the potential to become a functional replacement for the Newton, but right now, today, and for the past year, it hasn't even been close. I fully expect it will meet and then exceed the Newton, but it hasn't *yet*... and if you think slapping copy/paste onto the iPhone is going to solve it, you're sadly mistaken.
I can only assume you are speaking from a position of complete ignorance when it comes to the Newton, otherwise you wouldn't be making such silly statements.
Ah well, your problem, not mine.
check your sources!
the essential part of your article is wrong:
Intels Germany chief in a presentation said:
"Einen MID kann man sich vorstellen wie ein iPhone, nur mit einem etwas größeren Display."
(Translation: "an MID looks pretty much like an iPhone, only with a bigger display.)
that was the only time he ever mentioned the iPhone. he was talking about atom-chips in MIDs, not in iPhones. but someone in the audience lacked the talent of listening carefully... an you wrote that nonsens, as did many others.
If this comment by Roman on Seth Weintraub's Computerworld blog is correct then the Intel exec gets to live another day and this thread dies a natural death.
Because I am always impressed by how rare (and difficult) disciplined strategy execution is. (As a student of management practice, I always expect some of these other well-known companies to share that trait, but they rarely seem to. It is a trait that continues to set Apple apart).
Maybe the part of who talks, says what and when is is part of the strategy. I really doubt so many organizations would violate NDA like that.
"Oh cool, the new iBook. Is it a touch screen?"
Wrong name right there.
The book functionality could be a bonus with iTunes 8, but it wouldn't define this product. No way Jose.
"Mac touch"
Simple, descriptive and very very Apple.
I wish Apple could be more subtle about their naming. I really don't think that "Mac" had to be part of the name of every Mac machine.
I wish Apple could be more subtle about their naming. I really don't think that "Mac" had to be part of the name of every Mac machine.
Oh, you mean name it something like an XDA 7230-A?
Branding is important. Simple branding is highly important.
Oh, you mean name it something like an XDA 7230-A?
Branding is important. Simple branding is highly important.
That's not what I mean. Branding is important, but the names that they dropped in favor of "Mac"-naming convention were better in my opinion. They weren't gauche sledgehammer-style branding of putting three specific letters into the name of every single product of that type.
That's not what I mean. Branding is important, but the names that they dropped in favor of "Mac"-naming convention were better in my opinion. They weren't gauche sledgehammer-style branding of putting three specific letters into the name of every single product of that type.
Yeah, that's a full 200% worse than putting a single letter into every name of every single product of, um, all types for a while there... iMac, iTunes, iLife, iWork, iPod, iPhone...
And the only machines that were renamed were the iBook and PowerBook, to MacBook and MacBook Pro. I have a fondness for the old names too, but they're Macs. Don't forget that most of the world is pretty Mac-ignorant. Getting the Mac brand out there is important, and it helps differentiate the larger product lines... an iPod and an iBook sound like they have more in common than an iBook and a PowerMac, wouldn't you say?
I've noticed the same thing. This includes dentists ("I am not an anti-dentite!") and general practice doctors offices. These folks are finally catching up.
Heh, I'm not sure we are agreeing. I think we are.
Anyway my point was that the popularity of slates is on the decline. Slates are great for note taking freehand and kinda bad for everything else. The freehand notes also has to translate to text cleanly which has been a problem. That's largely why they switched...couple traditionally bad doctor scribbles to so-so OCR and you had the receiptionist re-keying in notes and other info. That sure didn't speed things up.
Now the doc just types it in and everyone, including him or her, can read it.
A good dock is required or a convertible for a useful UMPC vs PDA IMHO.
You really don't get it, do you? The Newton was never a PDA, as defined by Palm. It was a UMPC, a stand-alone computer. Too stand-alone, as it turned out.
The iPhone has the potential to become a functional replacement for the Newton, but right now, today, and for the past year, it hasn't even been close. I fully expect it will meet and then exceed the Newton, but it hasn't *yet*... and if you think slapping copy/paste onto the iPhone is going to solve it, you're sadly mistaken.
Yah...the iPhone has a little way to go before then but the SDK should help greatly although there are some things only Apple can do.
I can only assume you are speaking from a position of complete ignorance when it comes to the Newton, otherwise you wouldn't be making such silly statements.
Ah well, your problem, not mine.
Heh.
Yah...the iPhone has a little way to go before then but the SDK should help greatly although there are some things only Apple can do.
Agreed, and agreed. Third-party apps will help fill a lot of gaps, but the basic UI functionality, local data storage, and such core pieces, have to come from Apple. I'm eager to see what they provide for devs to leverage.
He probably got Steve Job's approval before he spoke. Remember Apple cannot say anything, but that never means they cannot give permission to someone else to talk.
What? apple can say whatever they like.
"People don't read anymore." They don't read any less, either. I think he was being dismissive to lower the hype.
In fact, they do read more. Annual book sales passed $17bn and are continuing to rise.