With 3G GSM (UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA), you can still receive phone calls while using the data side of the service. With GSM EDGE and 3G CDMA (EVDO), incoming calls are blocked while using data. Advantage: GSM.
Do you have a source for that, as well as specific phones that don't take calls when using data?
Personally, I do appreciate the standardization and international and carrier portability that GSM provides. Still, I do prefer CDMA because GSM can easily interfere with audio electronics. I haven't had a CDMA phone screw up audio in the same way.
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So we can have a bunch of poorly written applications that at best ruin everything Apple put into making the iPhone interface clean, simple and easy to use? At worst there will be a flood of very poorly or intentionally malicious applications that brick the iPhone and require Apple support to fix free of charge.
You mean the same way that Macs are over run with malicious programs?
Not their full-sized computer/cash registers, but the handheld devices. They are by a company called Symbol that uses their POS system that uses WinCE as the underlying OS. I'm not sire of the actual model number.
As I have stated numerous times before-an actual employee at Apple 5th Avenue told me these hand held devices run on Windows in the back of the store.
Oh ,the irony....
I have always wondered why there is not a thread to discuss this.
Personally, I do appreciate the standardization and international and carrier portability that GSM provides. Still, I do prefer CDMA because GSM can easily interfere with audio electronics. I haven't had a CDMA phone screw up audio in the same way.
This might have had little to do with CDMA and everything to do with the phone (Treo 750w in this case), but my Verizon experience was that the background noise was so inaudible, I couldn't distinguish network drop-outs from periods where the other party wasn't talking. In addition, S and F sounds came through sounding essentially the same. It was very frustrating to keep having to ask the other party to repeat what they had said and still get no clue whether they were saying S or F. More concerning was important information could be missed without knowing it.
Not to support the opposition or anything but do people here just not know that Open Source is in their best interest? Who wants to be locked down to proprietary formats? All it means is less money for the consumer because they have to rebuy their songs when switching from one format to the other. From day one, the only purpose of proprietary anything was to give consumers less choice and therefore give corporations more money.
That said, I agree with the message, but not the tactics so much. What's the problem with just protesting outside Apple Stores? You'd have the opportunity to reach/inform more customers...
Have you ever tried doing it on an iPhone, or are you just speculating?
The reason I ask is, the way it set up within the displayed photo, it takes about the same amount of time and work.
I meant more as a receiver of pics. Everytime I send someone with an iPhone a pic, they say they can't open it and to send it to email. I refuse to set up 2 addresses for one contact.
As I have stated numerous times before-an actual employee at Apple 5th Avenue told me these hand held devices run on Windows in the back of the store.
Oh ,the irony....
I have always wondered why there is not a thread to discuss this.
It is ironic, but it's not a big deal. Apple is mostly a consumer computer company, and the business sectors they are in, there aren't very many that use them for POS devices. It just doesn't make sense to rework such a device to run OS X. After all,
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I meant more as a receiver of pics. Everytime I send someone with an iPhone a pic, they say they can't open it and to send it to email. I refuse to set up 2 addresses for one contact.
Someone could make an MMS app that would resize an app locally for MMS, send it to a relay server and then send to the appropriate contact. Charging the average price per pic sent. For receiving pics,
Not to support the opposition or anything but do people here just not know that Open Source is in their best interest? Who wants to be locked down to proprietary formats? All it means is less money for the consumer because they have to rebuy their songs when switching from one format to the other. From day one, the only purpose of proprietary anything was to give consumers less choice and therefore give corporations more money.
That said, I agree with the message, but not the tactics so much. What's the problem with just protesting outside Apple Stores? You'd have the opportunity to reach/inform more customers...
Because Ogg Theora sucks in comparison to h.264? Most companies will pay the h.264 royalties. Lock in seems remote just for using h.264.
And since when does Jobs want more DRM?
The problem isn't protesting outside of Apple stores. The problem is advocating a denial of service attack on Apple's Genius Bars. They want to hand out flyers in front of an Apple store that's fine (if a bit pointless).
This isn't about Open Source which Apple uses and contributes to. This is a about a few freetard zealots being jerks.
The Free Software Foundation needs to get a life. Instead of taking up appointments from customers with real issues, these idiots want to waste the time of Apple employees. This is an entirely pointless action that will not have any effect on Apple policies. Anyone participating in this so called "challenge" has to be mentally challenged.
The reason Mac, iPod and iPhone sales are still tanking is the lack of support for Ogg Theora.
. . .Everything should be open source. Apple will realize this I think, and the Ogg Theora support we love and need will arrive.
Be prepared for protests that dwarf anything the civil rights movement has ever seen. . . . It's an illusion that won't last. Paying for skilled creative work will never work out in the end.
There are two kinds of software, open source and not, and ONLY one of those models can ever work out well. Look at the history of the world's greatest, most useful, most user-friendly software. Notice how none of it costs anything? Case closed.
I got my deep boots on and my Barbara Streisand detector is fired up...
Verizon's continuing downplay of the iPhone is a little short on credibility-I mean really-they claim that iPhone sales are pushing their own smart phone sales
Well in my case, it's true. I nursed my screen-dead water-damaged Moto 815E through July 11, waiting for the Stevenote to convince me to make the jump. As I was ready to move up several generations of phones all at once.
Sale not closed. Primarily for two reasons:
1. the iPhone still comes with a non-optional accessory I can't abide: ATT's limited phone (and 3G) coverage. The first mission of my Mac notebook is compute and web surf by Wi-Fi. The first mission of my phone, believe it or not is to be my phone!
Imagine old-fashioned that: as a phone it should "just work." Remind you of anyone's famous advertising campaign??
2. the bait and switch pricing plans: make the razor cheaper to bring in the buyers while jacking up the blade prices to suck up more $$ at the other end. With my union member Verizon discount on phone service (900 min for $53 + $5 for 300 SMS), then adding $25/month for unlimited data -- plus free VCast videos in many areas, e.g., news summaries -- and my favorite personal feature iPhone doesn't have (see below) -- the savings really add up over two years (even if I didn't have the union discount). And being two years into my Verizon use, I got $100 off the phone so I paid about $129 ($159 with extra charger, leather belt case and BodyGuardz) for a phone which looks and feels as good as the iPhone to me.
So I'm the very happy owner of an LG Voyager, and three weeks into the 3G, AppStore, MobileMeMeME launch, relaunch, relaunch, along with syncing issues, resyncing, bricking, crashing, sluggishness reports, etc., I'm patting my own back on my decision.
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I mean really d00d!!11!! Can I please have an LG DARE Phone?!?11!! (which incidentally costs as much as an iPhone but has kewl "angled" icons) that is so tightly locked-up I can't even add my own ring tones? And that runs some proprietary version of some software (not even Windows Mobile, which isn't very good in itself) WOW! I can run an HTML browser on my kewl gnu phone man
Yeah, guess my life's incomplete without inane songs playing every time my phone rings. so my non-dork friends and intruded upon strangers can say "what a dork," and my dork friends can ooh-and-ohh that I've assigned a Hannah Montana or Gorillaz cut to their name, and, drat!, I'm stuck without a tip calculator and can't run out the seconds of my life playing some mind-short-circuiting game inside someone else's closed end maze. Woe is me to be be stuck actually observing the world around me when I'm done talking, messaging and doing essential surfing....
Well, actually I'm not, but more below....
PS: I don't buy socialist analysis, but if I did, I could point out this nation of coddled narcissists could medically insure the whole populace for what people are shelling out to shore up their egos with custom ring tones and whiling away their "free time" playing Super Monkey Ball while the Empire burns.......
Hey, if computer/video games make you feel YOUR life is better, so be it, and given the sheer size of the industry, they must for many -- but not for all of us, OK??
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Verizon's problem is that they are the opposite of open source-you can't even sneeze around your phone without a charge. I don't think much of AT&T either-but there is no way I would trade my iPhone 3G for ANYTHING in Verizon's arsenal-especially with their $2.99 ring tones that only last 6 months and their legendarily bad customer service-it is at least as bad as AT&Ts, only without a phone worth owning.
If your phone "just works," you don't need customer service, and I've also found the techs at Verizon stores to be friendly and usually helpful. Just a single data point, but my experience.
And the LG Voyager is a phone well worth owning. Especially while the iPhone's (and the entire Apple Mobile platform's) going through some very public growing pains.
The touch functions (with haptic feedback) work well on a screen which is bright and detailed. The phone works great (bars everywhere I go, good sound, no dropped calls, great speakersphone), announces who's calling. The included functions all work -- best phone calculator I've ever had, calendar calls me with appointment reminders, alarms ditto (and with my phone always with me, who needs iCal to run their life? sync/shmink.), at least as good or better a still camera from what I'm reading/seeing, video (what, your iPhone doesn't do video yet? at least without an external app?), and even the voice commands (which I still detest) seem to work.
And with a real and highly usable qwerty keyboard (and second 2.8" screen inside the clamshell), this thing's a two finger high-speed, accurate texting and emailing machine. (emails sent from it appear in recipient's inboxes as coming from a vtext.com address). Again, you have a choice of virtual touch and real keyboards that the iPhone doesn't give you.
Replaceable micro SD cards make transferring audio/video material to/from any computer enough of a snap for my needs (plus make pricey 8 GB backups a possibility), and speaking of replaceable, user-reachable parts, guess I could have a second battery with me. Sweet, if I need it.
As for music, admittedly it's only fair at best, and don't know if it does podcasts, but my Shuffle adds only minimal bulk to my carry along experience.
And, yes, the web experience is clearly subpar compared to the iPhone's, but until we hit something, whatever it's called, 4G or 5G, with truly high speed ubiquitous availability, I ain't gonna be doin' long surfing sessions of textual material on tiny screens anyway -- even my 2 mbps DSL service at home (fastest in my area) frustrates me. so for me extensive net use on a phone is an emergency thing when I'm not near a computer, and I'll let you guys pioneer it.
Because I've got something else that I personally want and "need" -- which most of you may not need, and for no extra cost and which replaces spending money on iTunes for me. Namely, no wait, no stutter, no buffering, vivid live TV nearly everywhere I go including three news channels (one investment). This won't be a big deal for many of you, but is for me since I move back and forth and won't deal with one-two year TV service contracts when I'm only around somewhere a few months. Plus full-time 300 channel TV was rotting my brain anyway and costing me close to $80-100/month. And I'm happier just renting chosen flix/series to watch at home or with the free stuff at Hulu, the nets, YouTube, et al.
So Mobile TV gives me just enough vid fix, if not all the hot new shows, keeps me up on my investments, scans the cable news universe (such as it is), and I'm saving not only beaucoup bucks on my net-enabled phone experience, but much bigger ones (and valuable productive time) by not having DirectTV. So my Voyager is actually saving me maybe $150 month all in all compared to iPhone plus Satellite and making me more productive.
All with no crashes, no bricking, no syncing, no super rip off pricing (all cell phone service has some rip-off pricing). And by the time the App store matures, MobileMe actually works, Apple's on more networks than ATT (or ATT vastly improves their network) and I can buy my sub-one pound 7-12" screen iDevice which actually delivers the promise of today's RDF, I will happily and enthusiastically buy one.
The .01 version, mind you, and when I don't have to stand in line while Apple/ATT servers and clerks' brains fry.
So I know for many of you, the iP's still a better solution to your geekier than mine needs, and I totally respect that. But for many of us there are other, suitable, in some ways better, and, yes less expensive solutions out there that totally fit the state of today's reliable technology.
This might have had little to do with CDMA and everything to do with the phone (Treo 750w in this case), but my Verizon experience was that the background noise was so inaudible, I couldn't distinguish network drop-outs from periods where the other party wasn't talking. In addition, S and F sounds came through sounding essentially the same. It was very frustrating to keep having to ask the other party to repeat what they had said and still get no clue whether they were saying S or F. More concerning was important information could be missed without knowing it.
Maybe that's true, but both revisions of iPhone do interfere with audio equipment, and I do hear GSM sputtering in the headphones. My CDMA phones have not exhibited the problems you stated.
And the FSF neckbeards prove once again that they're a bunch of idiots with no clue about how the real world works. These fat turds should be converted into biodiesel so they'll serve a useful purpose. Well, right after the Cheetos and Doritos residue is scraped off to feed a third world country.
They really think the best way to get apple to embrace open standards is to waste the time of low level store employees? That's pretty lame.
That's just going to annoy people, employees and customers alike. It will have no effect at all - they won't get anything more than an "I don't know" and "if you don't have any other questions, we're done" out of employees.
I wouldn't be surprised if it happens enough that the company would give employees instructions on how to handle it, which would probably be ending the appointment as soon as it's clear that it's one of these "protests".
2. But besides all that, even if the music labels are trying to force Apple's hand, from anyone who isn't paying close attention or simply doesn't care what the reason is, it looks strange for Apple to not have the same right to sell DRM-free music that Amazon and others can. Even if the labels did "succeed" in this endeavor in trying to break Apple, Amazon certainly isn't a pushover so it won't work.
I've always got the impression that a lot of this stems from the music industry wanting to be certain that Apple is not the only 800 lb gorilla on the scene. There was a big stink about that earlier, if I recall correctly. By supporting a service like Amazon they are creating an environment which is easier for them to control.
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Do the people that stand in line for several hours to buy an iPhone have jobs?
Presumably, otherwise they probably wouldn't be getting the phone!
(I hope!)
What they lack is fiscal responsibility. Say you have a somewhat regular job with a passable living wage -- taking a day off to wait for the iPhone costs you around $100. Yeah, pass on that. It is goober protesters who 1) have no clue what they are even talking about, and 2) clearly could be doing something useful with their time instead of inconveniencing everyone else that I take issue with. I wonder if they targeted Apple just because that nets publicity. Is this even about getting Apple to go open? Is it more about them getting publicity? If I could attribute intelligence with this bunch I might almost believe that.
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I don't really thank Steve or Apple really gives a crap about DRM on their music. For that matter, I don't think Amazon does either except as a selling point for its service. Everyone sees to ignore the fact that iTunes was looking at being investigated by the European Union at the same time Steve Jobs conveniently writes a letter about the evils of DRM. I hope no one seriously thinks the timing was some wonderful coincidence.
Steve is concerned, I'll wager, with getting his customers what they want. I wouldn't imagine this is about him championing some sort of DRM-free crusade simply because he is against 'the man' being in control -- it is because the fellow actually knows how to create a product people want to use, something the music industry can't even begin to fathom. You may be forgetting that even the ITMS and DRM scheme Apple was working with at the time was an incredible leap in progress (compare to subscription services and Windows' media format DRM).
Is that what that occasional click sound is that I get when the headphones are in but no music is playing?
Probably yes. It's kind of a clatter, a few clicks a second of different lengths and pauses. I have heard it when the music is playing too. It's loudest when the AT&T signal is weakest, but it's still pretty strong at half signal strength.
if everyone spent their time focusing on their own personal problems and trying to make their lives better, instead of telling everyone else how they should live their lives, we'd all be better off.
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With 3G GSM (UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA), you can still receive phone calls while using the data side of the service. With GSM EDGE and 3G CDMA (EVDO), incoming calls are blocked while using data. Advantage: GSM.
Do you have a source for that, as well as specific phones that don't take calls when using data?
Personally, I do appreciate the standardization and international and carrier portability that GSM provides. Still, I do prefer CDMA because GSM can easily interfere with audio electronics. I haven't had a CDMA phone screw up audio in the same way.
So we can have a bunch of poorly written applications that at best ruin everything Apple put into making the iPhone interface clean, simple and easy to use? At worst there will be a flood of very poorly or intentionally malicious applications that brick the iPhone and require Apple support to fix free of charge.
You mean the same way that Macs are over run with malicious programs?
Not their full-sized computer/cash registers, but the handheld devices. They are by a company called Symbol that uses their POS system that uses WinCE as the underlying OS. I'm not sire of the actual model number.
As I have stated numerous times before-an actual employee at Apple 5th Avenue told me these hand held devices run on Windows in the back of the store.
Oh ,the irony....
I have always wondered why there is not a thread to discuss this.
Do you have a source for that, as well as specific phones that don't take calls when using data?
More accurately, voice and data often can't be used simultaneously. The top hit from google(voice+data+simultaneously+cdma):
http://www.abiresearch.com/Blog/Wireless_Blog/57
Personally, I do appreciate the standardization and international and carrier portability that GSM provides. Still, I do prefer CDMA because GSM can easily interfere with audio electronics. I haven't had a CDMA phone screw up audio in the same way.
This might have had little to do with CDMA and everything to do with the phone (Treo 750w in this case), but my Verizon experience was that the background noise was so inaudible, I couldn't distinguish network drop-outs from periods where the other party wasn't talking. In addition, S and F sounds came through sounding essentially the same. It was very frustrating to keep having to ask the other party to repeat what they had said and still get no clue whether they were saying S or F. More concerning was important information could be missed without knowing it.
Thanks--you're right. I looked it up on Wikipedia.
Ah, as you might have guessed, I contributed that important piece of data to Wikipedia.
Also the fact the you can't send anyone a pic on the fly without using email is a done deal for me.
Have you ever tried doing it on an iPhone, or are you just speculating?
The reason I ask is, the way it set up within the displayed photo, it takes about the same amount of time and work.
That said, I agree with the message, but not the tactics so much. What's the problem with just protesting outside Apple Stores? You'd have the opportunity to reach/inform more customers...
-Clive
Have you ever tried doing it on an iPhone, or are you just speculating?
The reason I ask is, the way it set up within the displayed photo, it takes about the same amount of time and work.
I meant more as a receiver of pics. Everytime I send someone with an iPhone a pic, they say they can't open it and to send it to email. I refuse to set up 2 addresses for one contact.
As I have stated numerous times before-an actual employee at Apple 5th Avenue told me these hand held devices run on Windows in the back of the store.
Oh ,the irony....
I have always wondered why there is not a thread to discuss this.
It is ironic, but it's not a big deal. Apple is mostly a consumer computer company, and the business sectors they are in, there aren't very many that use them for POS devices. It just doesn't make sense to rework such a device to run OS X. After all,
I meant more as a receiver of pics. Everytime I send someone with an iPhone a pic, they say they can't open it and to send it to email. I refuse to set up 2 addresses for one contact.
Someone could make an MMS app that would resize an app locally for MMS, send it to a relay server and then send to the appropriate contact. Charging the average price per pic sent. For receiving pics,
Not to support the opposition or anything but do people here just not know that Open Source is in their best interest? Who wants to be locked down to proprietary formats? All it means is less money for the consumer because they have to rebuy their songs when switching from one format to the other. From day one, the only purpose of proprietary anything was to give consumers less choice and therefore give corporations more money.
That said, I agree with the message, but not the tactics so much. What's the problem with just protesting outside Apple Stores? You'd have the opportunity to reach/inform more customers...
Because Ogg Theora sucks in comparison to h.264? Most companies will pay the h.264 royalties. Lock in seems remote just for using h.264.
And since when does Jobs want more DRM?
The problem isn't protesting outside of Apple stores. The problem is advocating a denial of service attack on Apple's Genius Bars. They want to hand out flyers in front of an Apple store that's fine (if a bit pointless).
This isn't about Open Source which Apple uses and contributes to. This is a about a few freetard zealots being jerks.
The problem is advocating a denial of service attack on Apple's Genius Bars.
I hadn't looked at like that. That is exactly what they are doing.
Apple needs to appoint people to route the flow of people to the Genius Bar. we'll call these people routers.
The reason Mac, iPod and iPhone sales are still tanking is the lack of support for Ogg Theora.
. . .Everything should be open source. Apple will realize this I think, and the Ogg Theora support we love and need will arrive.
Be prepared for protests that dwarf anything the civil rights movement has ever seen. . . . It's an illusion that won't last. Paying for skilled creative work will never work out in the end.
There are two kinds of software, open source and not, and ONLY one of those models can ever work out well. Look at the history of the world's greatest, most useful, most user-friendly software. Notice how none of it costs anything? Case closed.
Also, what is Ogg Theora?
Most excellent wit, I salute you!
I got my deep boots on and my Barbara Streisand detector is fired up...
Verizon's continuing downplay of the iPhone is a little short on credibility-I mean really-they claim that iPhone sales are pushing their own smart phone sales
Well in my case, it's true. I nursed my screen-dead water-damaged Moto 815E through July 11, waiting for the Stevenote to convince me to make the jump. As I was ready to move up several generations of phones all at once.
Sale not closed. Primarily for two reasons:
1. the iPhone still comes with a non-optional accessory I can't abide: ATT's limited phone (and 3G) coverage. The first mission of my Mac notebook is compute and web surf by Wi-Fi. The first mission of my phone, believe it or not is to be my phone!
Imagine old-fashioned that: as a phone it should "just work." Remind you of anyone's famous advertising campaign??
2. the bait and switch pricing plans: make the razor cheaper to bring in the buyers while jacking up the blade prices to suck up more $$ at the other end. With my union member Verizon discount on phone service (900 min for $53 + $5 for 300 SMS), then adding $25/month for unlimited data -- plus free VCast videos in many areas, e.g., news summaries -- and my favorite personal feature iPhone doesn't have (see below) -- the savings really add up over two years (even if I didn't have the union discount). And being two years into my Verizon use, I got $100 off the phone so I paid about $129 ($159 with extra charger, leather belt case and BodyGuardz) for a phone which looks and feels as good as the iPhone to me.
So I'm the very happy owner of an LG Voyager, and three weeks into the 3G, AppStore, MobileMeMeME launch, relaunch, relaunch, along with syncing issues, resyncing, bricking, crashing, sluggishness reports, etc., I'm patting my own back on my decision.
I mean really d00d!!11!! Can I please have an LG DARE Phone?!?11!! (which incidentally costs as much as an iPhone but has kewl "angled" icons) that is so tightly locked-up I can't even add my own ring tones? And that runs some proprietary version of some software (not even Windows Mobile, which isn't very good in itself) WOW! I can run an HTML browser on my kewl gnu phone man
Yeah, guess my life's incomplete without inane songs playing every time my phone rings. so my non-dork friends and intruded upon strangers can say "what a dork," and my dork friends can ooh-and-ohh that I've assigned a Hannah Montana or Gorillaz cut to their name, and, drat!, I'm stuck without a tip calculator and can't run out the seconds of my life playing some mind-short-circuiting game inside someone else's closed end maze. Woe is me to be be stuck actually observing the world around me when I'm done talking, messaging and doing essential surfing....
Well, actually I'm not, but more below....
PS: I don't buy socialist analysis, but if I did, I could point out this nation of coddled narcissists could medically insure the whole populace for what people are shelling out to shore up their egos with custom ring tones and whiling away their "free time" playing Super Monkey Ball while the Empire burns.......
Verizon's problem is that they are the opposite of open source-you can't even sneeze around your phone without a charge. I don't think much of AT&T either-but there is no way I would trade my iPhone 3G for ANYTHING in Verizon's arsenal-especially with their $2.99 ring tones that only last 6 months and their legendarily bad customer service-it is at least as bad as AT&Ts, only without a phone worth owning.
If your phone "just works," you don't need customer service, and I've also found the techs at Verizon stores to be friendly and usually helpful. Just a single data point, but my experience.
And the LG Voyager is a phone well worth owning. Especially while the iPhone's (and the entire Apple Mobile platform's) going through some very public growing pains.
The touch functions (with haptic feedback) work well on a screen which is bright and detailed. The phone works great (bars everywhere I go, good sound, no dropped calls, great speakersphone), announces who's calling. The included functions all work -- best phone calculator I've ever had, calendar calls me with appointment reminders, alarms ditto (and with my phone always with me, who needs iCal to run their life? sync/shmink.), at least as good or better a still camera from what I'm reading/seeing, video (what, your iPhone doesn't do video yet? at least without an external app?), and even the voice commands (which I still detest) seem to work.
And with a real and highly usable qwerty keyboard (and second 2.8" screen inside the clamshell), this thing's a two finger high-speed, accurate texting and emailing machine. (emails sent from it appear in recipient's inboxes as coming from a vtext.com address). Again, you have a choice of virtual touch and real keyboards that the iPhone doesn't give you.
Replaceable micro SD cards make transferring audio/video material to/from any computer enough of a snap for my needs (plus make pricey 8 GB backups a possibility), and speaking of replaceable, user-reachable parts, guess I could have a second battery with me. Sweet, if I need it.
As for music, admittedly it's only fair at best, and don't know if it does podcasts, but my Shuffle adds only minimal bulk to my carry along experience.
And, yes, the web experience is clearly subpar compared to the iPhone's, but until we hit something, whatever it's called, 4G or 5G, with truly high speed ubiquitous availability, I ain't gonna be doin' long surfing sessions of textual material on tiny screens anyway -- even my 2 mbps DSL service at home (fastest in my area) frustrates me. so for me extensive net use on a phone is an emergency thing when I'm not near a computer, and I'll let you guys pioneer it.
Because I've got something else that I personally want and "need" -- which most of you may not need, and for no extra cost and which replaces spending money on iTunes for me. Namely, no wait, no stutter, no buffering, vivid live TV nearly everywhere I go including three news channels (one investment). This won't be a big deal for many of you, but is for me since I move back and forth and won't deal with one-two year TV service contracts when I'm only around somewhere a few months. Plus full-time 300 channel TV was rotting my brain anyway and costing me close to $80-100/month. And I'm happier just renting chosen flix/series to watch at home or with the free stuff at Hulu, the nets, YouTube, et al.
So Mobile TV gives me just enough vid fix, if not all the hot new shows, keeps me up on my investments, scans the cable news universe (such as it is), and I'm saving not only beaucoup bucks on my net-enabled phone experience, but much bigger ones (and valuable productive time) by not having DirectTV. So my Voyager is actually saving me maybe $150 month all in all compared to iPhone plus Satellite and making me more productive.
All with no crashes, no bricking, no syncing, no super rip off pricing (all cell phone service has some rip-off pricing). And by the time the App store matures, MobileMe actually works, Apple's on more networks than ATT (or ATT vastly improves their network) and I can buy my sub-one pound 7-12" screen iDevice which actually delivers the promise of today's RDF, I will happily and enthusiastically buy one.
The .01 version, mind you, and when I don't have to stand in line while Apple/ATT servers and clerks' brains fry.
This might have had little to do with CDMA and everything to do with the phone (Treo 750w in this case), but my Verizon experience was that the background noise was so inaudible, I couldn't distinguish network drop-outs from periods where the other party wasn't talking. In addition, S and F sounds came through sounding essentially the same. It was very frustrating to keep having to ask the other party to repeat what they had said and still get no clue whether they were saying S or F. More concerning was important information could be missed without knowing it.
Maybe that's true, but both revisions of iPhone do interfere with audio equipment, and I do hear GSM sputtering in the headphones. My CDMA phones have not exhibited the problems you stated.
... and I do hear GSM sputtering in the headphones.
Is that what that occasional click sound is that I get when the headphones are in but no music is playing?
That's just going to annoy people, employees and customers alike. It will have no effect at all - they won't get anything more than an "I don't know" and "if you don't have any other questions, we're done" out of employees.
I wouldn't be surprised if it happens enough that the company would give employees instructions on how to handle it, which would probably be ending the appointment as soon as it's clear that it's one of these "protests".
2. But besides all that, even if the music labels are trying to force Apple's hand, from anyone who isn't paying close attention or simply doesn't care what the reason is, it looks strange for Apple to not have the same right to sell DRM-free music that Amazon and others can. Even if the labels did "succeed" in this endeavor in trying to break Apple, Amazon certainly isn't a pushover so it won't work.
I've always got the impression that a lot of this stems from the music industry wanting to be certain that Apple is not the only 800 lb gorilla on the scene. There was a big stink about that earlier, if I recall correctly. By supporting a service like Amazon they are creating an environment which is easier for them to control.
Do the people that stand in line for several hours to buy an iPhone have jobs?
Presumably, otherwise they probably wouldn't be getting the phone!
(I hope!)
What they lack is fiscal responsibility. Say you have a somewhat regular job with a passable living wage -- taking a day off to wait for the iPhone costs you around $100. Yeah, pass on that. It is goober protesters who 1) have no clue what they are even talking about, and 2) clearly could be doing something useful with their time instead of inconveniencing everyone else that I take issue with. I wonder if they targeted Apple just because that nets publicity. Is this even about getting Apple to go open? Is it more about them getting publicity? If I could attribute intelligence with this bunch I might almost believe that.
I don't really thank Steve or Apple really gives a crap about DRM on their music. For that matter, I don't think Amazon does either except as a selling point for its service. Everyone sees to ignore the fact that iTunes was looking at being investigated by the European Union at the same time Steve Jobs conveniently writes a letter about the evils of DRM. I hope no one seriously thinks the timing was some wonderful coincidence.
Steve is concerned, I'll wager, with getting his customers what they want. I wouldn't imagine this is about him championing some sort of DRM-free crusade simply because he is against 'the man' being in control -- it is because the fellow actually knows how to create a product people want to use, something the music industry can't even begin to fathom. You may be forgetting that even the ITMS and DRM scheme Apple was working with at the time was an incredible leap in progress (compare to subscription services and Windows' media format DRM).
Is that what that occasional click sound is that I get when the headphones are in but no music is playing?
Probably yes. It's kind of a clatter, a few clicks a second of different lengths and pauses. I have heard it when the music is playing too. It's loudest when the AT&T signal is weakest, but it's still pretty strong at half signal strength.
if everyone spent their time focusing on their own personal problems and trying to make their lives better, instead of telling everyone else how they should live their lives, we'd all be better off.
amen!!