I had a good laugh at Mac OS X's lettuce metaphor, because I, and I'm quite new to AI, although I have been with Mac since 1987, and have had the usual schismastical feuds with PC people, think there is a tendency in AI to too much mac-idolatry. Constructive criticism should be the norm. What I saw though, djeez, you guys are insulting each other horribly because one person likes the happy mac, and another one couldn't care less. Good, both have their right, but me, I can't read all that without growing sad at how the Think Different myth is turning into something like Hate Different. And don't forget, this is Europe speaking, where hate, sadly enough, is growing larger by the minute.
to be honest, the happy mac was cute... but have been DREAMING of a way to change the damn thing sometimes. Well, Apple finally did it.
That smiley looked TOTALLY out of place with OS X.
I've been using Macs since 88 basically and welcome the change.
NOW, seeing Im guessing the file is in a ROM chip somewhere, it WOULD be nice to know how to change it to make funkier stuff. Otherwise, the professional theme is pretty impressive.
<strong>What do the load averages mean in the uptime command?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No idea.
If you were to know precisely one command for use in the terminal, it's 'man'.
man uptime
(And judicious use of the spacebar) will tell you far more than you ever wanted to know about the command 'uptime'. man man to find out more about man.
The command we'd probably want if we were to 'adjust' the boot screen is 'nvram', which only allows you to set things if you are root. Um. _dangerous_. You are supposed to be able to revert nvram to the factory defaults with the 'zap pram' tricks, but there are always people screaming that didn't work for them. Shrug.
Edit: Removed hint on how to USE nvram as excessively dangerous.
something that seemed to have gotten lost in that argument (i never thought people could argue about their start-up screen... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> ) was the screenshot of the new and improved happy mac. Did anyone happen to catch a screenshot of it, or is anyone still running c106 who is able to post it? i would love to see it.
I didn't even notice the new startup until a few weeks after installing 10.2. I usually leave the room as my computer boots ... not the most exciting thing to watch IMO but it looks pretty sleek and professional
<strong>just a little side note. for the individual who asked why iTunes requires a restart</strong><hr></blockquote>Actually, its a little more than that. iTunes includes updated CD-R and iPod kexts. Although the system *can* dynamically load new kexts without rebooting, the installer isn't smart enough to do that. Thus, you need to reboot to enable the new kexts.
<strong>Actually, its a little more than that. iTunes includes updated CD-R and iPod kexts. Although the system *can* dynamically load new kexts without rebooting, the installer isn't smart enough to do that. Thus, you need to reboot to enable the new kexts.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh, it's even more than that...
The old iPod kexts (iTunes 2) weren't exactly what one would call... 'clean'. They didn't conform to the appropriate division between kernel and user space, and were basically a hack which wasn't guaranteed to be unloaded on command. It wasn't the installer, it was the kext. The new iPod kexts *do* conform, and are dynamically loadable.
Hence, the reboot required to *ensure* that the old kexts were flushed, and the new ones enabled. From now on, iPod/iTunes updates shouldn't require a reboot.
<strong>Mac OS X, grow up, writing a letter like that to Apple is just going to get your email printed out and put on the 'read this and laugh your butt off' wall in the employee lounge.
I have been a Mac user since the beginning, hell I still have a working Mac Classic in my office to remind me where I came from. I'm all for modernization and it's people like you, who worship the holy Apple as if it was your ticket to heaven, make me sick. Yes there is a devotion to the brand name but geezus, pissin and moaning because you don't see a Mac smile at you on bootup every 30 days when you MIGHT restart? LOSER.
Mac Guru</strong><hr></blockquote>
While I don't feel as strongly as MacOSX, I see where he's coming from, and I don't think you're giving nostalga (sp?) or the poster enough credit or respect.
It is because computers evolve so quickly and so extensively that makes the smiling mac all the more neat. I think it is really neat to have a constant thread throughout a products life. And in the case of computers, it is likely better than this common thread is cosmetic rather than functional. This way you can maintain the consistancy without hampering evolving functionally.
Again, I understand where he's coming from. It is neat to have one aspect of the machine remain constant and consistent. The startup screen is not functionally important, so it is the perfect thing to hold consistant throughout the products life. Much like a Logo. But it is more than a logo, it is an experienced reminder of a products roots. Not a bad thing in my opinion.
sorry for the lousy picture quality. apperently my friend took a photo of a CRT screen, he didn't bother to dig the graphic out of the system... (or maybe it wasn't possible?)
looks great... but on my newly ordered TI, I guess the gray apple will look even better...
I really hate the new startup screen compared to the Happy Mac. I am not going so far as Mac OS X as to say that it's "sacred" or anything, but I'm still unhappy about it. An evolution of that same symbol would be better... like the evolution of the Apple logo. First it was colored, then it changed shape a bit, now it's gone from colored to white or gray. The Happy Mac was monochrome for a long time but in the latest OSes (9.2 and 10) it became a bit more colorful with gray gradients and stuff. Why not just update that look? I personally don't like the plain Apple logo at all.
Um... heh... you *do* realize that your 'original' Happy Mac wasn't introduced until what (help me out here folks) 1988? '89? The *really* old guard around here will recall that originally it was the Picasso Mac with 'Welcome to Macintosh'.
Sorry to burst your bubble like that, but the Happy Mac was a replacement for another *truly* original logo that no one thought could be replaced.
Feh. Kids these days. </strong><hr></blockquote>
To be fair, the poster DID say that the evolution of the happy mac was fine. I think one could argue that the original "welcom to macintosh" with the mac logo evolved to the smiling mac. I mean they were both icons of the original macs... one had a neat squiggle mouse next to it, the other had a smile. But the new plan 'apple' Apple logo IS totally different... it is the first removal of an icon of the original mac. I'm not saying this is a major tragedy, but the poster'macosx' did indicate he understood that it had evolved and was not the exact same icon.
I'm surprized that Apple has gotten rid of the happy mac - in the past it also served a function.
If your happy mac became a x-eyed mac then your mac hardware was hosed and usually it was accompanied by a code to let you know what part of your computer was causing a problem.
I wonder if it was taken away because these problems have been relatively rare, or perhaps the apple logo changes when there's a serious problem with your hardware.
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That smiley looked TOTALLY out of place with OS X.
I've been using Macs since 88 basically and welcome the change.
NOW, seeing Im guessing the file is in a ROM chip somewhere, it WOULD be nice to know how to change it to make funkier stuff. Otherwise, the professional theme is pretty impressive.
Apple will re-invent themselves.
Hell, they changed the font on their machines, right?
If Apple are going to reach 10% m/s then...
...even subtle touches like removing the 'out of place' smiley face Mac may hint at where Apple are going and changes in their 'sacred cow' thinkin'.
So. It's just an Apple logo with a rotary?
Hmmm.
I look forward to installing Jag'...
Lemon Bon Bon
<strong>What do the load averages mean in the uptime command?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No idea.
If you were to know precisely one command for use in the terminal, it's 'man'.
man uptime
(And judicious use of the spacebar) will tell you far more than you ever wanted to know about the command 'uptime'. man man to find out more about man.
The command we'd probably want if we were to 'adjust' the boot screen is 'nvram', which only allows you to set things if you are root. Um. _dangerous_. You are supposed to be able to revert nvram to the factory defaults with the 'zap pram' tricks, but there are always people screaming that didn't work for them. Shrug.
Edit: Removed hint on how to USE nvram as excessively dangerous.
[ 08-19-2002: Message edited by: Nevyn ]</p>
I didn't even notice the new startup until a few weeks after installing 10.2. I usually leave the room as my computer boots ... not the most exciting thing to watch IMO
Sorry, no pics.
Wow. That was retarded. Let me clarify:
The Hapy Mac was the most distinct and original GRAPHICAL WIDGET of the Macintosh . . .
damn . . . that was stupid . . .
Everyone, thank you for calling me stupid. I deserved it.
<strong>Actually, sobelizzard, the happy face with the "hello" text was only in a couple of 6C8x and 6C9x builds. By 6C101, it was gone.
Sorry, no pics.</strong><hr></blockquote>
what about 6C111 ?
go to System Preferences
Login
Then under Login Items you should see an iTunes bit that loads on startup. that needs to be reloaded after an update, hence the reboot.
-alcimedes
<strong>just a little side note. for the individual who asked why iTunes requires a restart</strong><hr></blockquote>Actually, its a little more than that. iTunes includes updated CD-R and iPod kexts. Although the system *can* dynamically load new kexts without rebooting, the installer isn't smart enough to do that. Thus, you need to reboot to enable the new kexts.
Originally posted by Mac OS X:
if Apple introduced a bag of lettuce as an update to the PowerMac line, some of you idiots would justify it.
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[quote]Originally posted by Hugi:
<strong>
Doesn't this thread belong in Future Hardware now?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Holy smokers this made me laugh! Perfect delivery!
<strong>Actually, its a little more than that. iTunes includes updated CD-R and iPod kexts. Although the system *can* dynamically load new kexts without rebooting, the installer isn't smart enough to do that. Thus, you need to reboot to enable the new kexts.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh, it's even more than that...
The old iPod kexts (iTunes 2) weren't exactly what one would call... 'clean'. They didn't conform to the appropriate division between kernel and user space, and were basically a hack which wasn't guaranteed to be unloaded on command. It wasn't the installer, it was the kext. The new iPod kexts *do* conform, and are dynamically loadable.
Hence, the reboot required to *ensure* that the old kexts were flushed, and the new ones enabled. From now on, iPod/iTunes updates shouldn't require a reboot.
<strong>Mac OS X, grow up, writing a letter like that to Apple is just going to get your email printed out and put on the 'read this and laugh your butt off' wall in the employee lounge.
I have been a Mac user since the beginning, hell I still have a working Mac Classic in my office to remind me where I came from. I'm all for modernization and it's people like you, who worship the holy Apple as if it was your ticket to heaven, make me sick. Yes there is a devotion to the brand name but geezus, pissin and moaning because you don't see a Mac smile at you on bootup every 30 days when you MIGHT restart? LOSER.
Mac Guru</strong><hr></blockquote>
While I don't feel as strongly as MacOSX, I see where he's coming from, and I don't think you're giving nostalga (sp?) or the poster enough credit or respect.
It is because computers evolve so quickly and so extensively that makes the smiling mac all the more neat. I think it is really neat to have a constant thread throughout a products life. And in the case of computers, it is likely better than this common thread is cosmetic rather than functional. This way you can maintain the consistancy without hampering evolving functionally.
Again, I understand where he's coming from. It is neat to have one aspect of the machine remain constant and consistent. The startup screen is not functionally important, so it is the perfect thing to hold consistant throughout the products life. Much like a Logo. But it is more than a logo, it is an experienced reminder of a products roots. Not a bad thing in my opinion.
Then again, I don't mind the new screen either!
sorry for the lousy picture quality. apperently my friend took a photo of a CRT screen, he didn't bother to dig the graphic out of the system... (or maybe it wasn't possible?)
looks great... but on my newly ordered TI, I guess the gray apple will look even better...
[ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: New ]</p>
<strong>
Um... heh... you *do* realize that your 'original' Happy Mac wasn't introduced until what (help me out here folks) 1988? '89? The *really* old guard around here will recall that originally it was the Picasso Mac with 'Welcome to Macintosh'.
Sorry to burst your bubble like that, but the Happy Mac was a replacement for another *truly* original logo that no one thought could be replaced.
Feh. Kids these days.
To be fair, the poster DID say that the evolution of the happy mac was fine. I think one could argue that the original "welcom to macintosh" with the mac logo evolved to the smiling mac. I mean they were both icons of the original macs... one had a neat squiggle mouse next to it, the other had a smile. But the new plan 'apple' Apple logo IS totally different... it is the first removal of an icon of the original mac. I'm not saying this is a major tragedy, but the poster'macosx' did indicate he understood that it had evolved and was not the exact same icon.
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this one:
Strange... it looks backwards... I swear the mouse was on the right!
[ 08-20-2002: Message edited by: Son of Pismo ]</p>
If your happy mac became a x-eyed mac then your mac hardware was hosed and usually it was accompanied by a code to let you know what part of your computer was causing a problem.
I wonder if it was taken away because these problems have been relatively rare, or perhaps the apple logo changes when there's a serious problem with your hardware.
Just a thought.