You go there every single time a new Mac shows up on Amazon? And there's ALWAYS a rebate on ALL Macs, from the moment they're offered to the moment they're yanked?
Sorry Mel. If that's what you're saying, I know from experience that it isn't true.
Busy. Just finished almost two months working in my daughters school on a big show they do this time of the year. Almost couldn't get to the computer at all the past few days.
I've seen the unit, and just went to their site. I don't see anything special about this that would REQUIRE FW. USB 2 might be a bit slow, but it's not a technical burden in the sense of competing technologies. Similar devices dowork over USB 2.
But as I've said earlier, I do think Apple dropped FW too early. This maker, and others, will convert their products to USB 3 once it's out, and when the handwriting on the wall now, is rewritten in bold, capital letters.
Pls an example of a similar unit... on anything other than FW
I believe the makers (if they do migrate) will only do so if they are forced.
Remember they were free to choose USB2 at the time
and yet they chose FW - despite poor market penetration
Pls an example of a similar unit... on anything other than FW
I believe the makers (if they do migrate) will only do so if they are forced.
Remember they were free to choose USB2 at the time
and yet they chose FW - despite poor market penetration
which everyone is at pains to point out.
Can you tell me why?
I'll look a bit later for specific models.
Why?
Several reasons.
One is that after Atari collapsed (they were, by far, the biggest music computer around?without FW, or USB 2), the industry moved to Apple. The OS mostly, and this was also before either FW or USB 2. Mostly SCSI implementations then.
The reason why FW? Well, first there was no USB 2, just FW. What choice did they have other than SCSI, and everyone was moving away from that, as was Apple (Oh yeah! People were mad about that too!)
Once USB 2 came out, most devices that were FW either remained FW,or began to sport both. Many other audio devices were released as USB 2 only.
They link to amazon, as they get a bit every time you go there. The info is updated every day. Scroll down the page.
I dunno Mel. I got my current Mac off of Amazon, which is the way to go (no sales tax). Don't recall Amazon 'ALWAYS' offering rebates on all Macs... it's more like they come and go. Current MacBook rebate just started today, but the new MBs have been available on Amazon for a week or two.
Got a rebee on my current comp, though. Won't buy the next without one either.
I dunno Mel. I got my current Mac off of Amazon, which is the way to go (no sales tax). Don't recall Amazon 'ALWAYS' offering rebates on all Macs... it's more like they come and go. Current MacBook rebate just started today, but the new MBs have been available on Amazon for a week or two.
Got a rebee on my current comp, though. Won't buy the next without one either.
One is that after Atari collapsed (they were, by far, the biggest music computer around?without FW, or USB 2), the industry moved to Apple. The OS mostly, and this was also before either FW or USB 2. Mostly SCSI implementations then.
The reason why FW? Well, first there was no USB 2, just FW. What choice did they have other than SCSI, and everyone was moving away from that, as was Apple (Oh yeah! People were mad about that too!)
Once USB 2 came out, most devices that were FW either remained FW,or began to sport both. Many other audio devices were released as USB 2 only.
to my knowledge there aren't many (good) audio devices
which connect via USB2
there are a few - and admittedly due to the rise of the bedroom youtube rock star
the lower end ones are becoming more common - if you look at the forums they're pretty nasty though... i wouldn't buy one unless it was only for 2 tracks.
USB 2.0 works in a master/slave arrangement that adds significant overhead to data transfers. FireWire is a true peer-to-peer technology, so two or more FireWire peripherals can communicate with each other directly as peers, sending each piece of data over the bus only once, directly to its destination.
FireWire is also designed to provide useful amounts of power, allowing the user to power?and even charge the battery of?many FireWire peripherals from the computer. While USB 2.0 allows at most 2.5 W of power, enough for a simple device like a mouse, FireWire devices can provide or consume up to 45 W of power, enough to run high-performance disk drives and to rapidly charge batteries. This feature is especially beneficial to users of portable computers, as it can eliminate the need for multiple power adapters.
bolds are mine
the other advantage of FW is the ability to create agregate devices for adding tracks
no way to do that with USB (2 or 3)
so multiple machines means lots of complications and latency problems.
to my knowledge there aren't many (good) audio devices
which connect via USB2
there are a few - and admittedly due to the rise of the bedroom youtube rock star
the lower end ones are becoming more common - if you look at the forums they're pretty nasty though... i wouldn't buy one unless it was only for 2 tracks.
oh that's right i should buy an MBP \
The MBP statement is getting just a bit tiring, you know?
If you want the truth, I'll tell you. If you have a real business, your accountant would tell you to buy your equipment as capital expenses. Then you would depreciate it. Over that time period, you would find the difference in price between a MacBook and a MBP to be very little.
the other advantage of FW is the ability to create agregate devices for adding tracks
no way to do that with USB (2 or 3)
so multiple machines means lots of complications and latency problems.
and try getting a combined headphone signal !?!
I'm quite aware of what they say. but you should understand that what they say isn't always as accurate for actual use as the specs make it seem. Where is that 45 watt port? Even for most FW devices you must still plug into power. Using the battery drains your laptop too quickly.
The overhead is BS these days, and Apple knows it.
They will encourage professional FW use on their pro machines, because few PC's have it built-in. Sometimes even pros balk at buying a card, because they need the slots for other, more important equipment.
The way they usually do it is to have the rebates last for a certain period. When that period is up, they start a new one. That allows them to vary their offerings.
The way they usually do it is to have the rebates last for a certain period. When that period is up, they start a new one. That allows them to vary their offerings.
I think I see the prob. From the MacInTouch site you use, and sent me to:
Meanwhile, Amazon is discounting FireWire MacBooks - get 'em while you can! Last week's MacBook Pro models are on sale, too, priced from $1444, only as long as supplies last... Or get one of Apple's latest laptops with a $5 Amazon discount:
aluminum MacBook
new MacBook Pro
new MacBook Air
I think you may have confused the "$5 discount" with the $50 rebate. The latter started just today on the new 'luminum MacBooks.
Or, one or both of us is on some heavy drugs they should've shared with the other.
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I can't think of a thing the iPhone doesn't have. Then again, you don't create stuff on a handheld device.
Bigger battery for longer batt life, more room for a better camera.
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gotta disagree with you there Mel
even the old G5 has 25V
but yes the notebooks are limited to 12V for power consumption reasons.
There's a good reason why Apple abandoned that years ago.
Amazon ALWAYS gives a $50 rebate, or more.
From Day One, every time, every Mac?
I dunno, Mel. Maybe.
Sigiocity.
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http://www.computerworld.com/action/...4&pageNumber=1
There's a good reason why Apple abandoned that years ago.
how about giving it
But as I've said earlier, I do think Apple dropped FW too early.
*Ed McMahon voice*: You are CORRECT sir!!
How ya been?
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From Day One, every time, every Mac?
I dunno, Mel. Maybe.
Sigiocity.
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I've never seen them not offer it.
I've never seen them not offer it.
You go there every single time a new Mac shows up on Amazon? And there's ALWAYS a rebate on ALL Macs, from the moment they're offered to the moment they're yanked?
Sorry Mel. If that's what you're saying, I know from experience that it isn't true.
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how about giving it
It lead to FW bus failure, and there was nothing much to use it with.
*Ed McMahon voice*: You are CORRECT sir!!
How ya been?
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Busy. Just finished almost two months working in my daughters school on a big show they do this time of the year. Almost couldn't get to the computer at all the past few days.
I've seen the unit, and just went to their site. I don't see anything special about this that would REQUIRE FW. USB 2 might be a bit slow, but it's not a technical burden in the sense of competing technologies. Similar devices dowork over USB 2.
But as I've said earlier, I do think Apple dropped FW too early. This maker, and others, will convert their products to USB 3 once it's out, and when the handwriting on the wall now, is rewritten in bold, capital letters.
Pls an example of a similar unit... on anything other than FW
I believe the makers (if they do migrate) will only do so if they are forced.
Remember they were free to choose USB2 at the time
and yet they chose FW - despite poor market penetration
which everyone is at pains to point out.
Can you tell me why?
You go there every single time a new Mac shows up on Amazon?
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I see the prices at some sites I go to every day, such as:
http://www.macintouch.com/
They link to amazon, as they get a bit every time you go there. The info is updated every day. Scroll down the page.
Pls an example of a similar unit... on anything other than FW
I believe the makers (if they do migrate) will only do so if they are forced.
Remember they were free to choose USB2 at the time
and yet they chose FW - despite poor market penetration
which everyone is at pains to point out.
Can you tell me why?
I'll look a bit later for specific models.
Why?
Several reasons.
One is that after Atari collapsed (they were, by far, the biggest music computer around?without FW, or USB 2), the industry moved to Apple. The OS mostly, and this was also before either FW or USB 2. Mostly SCSI implementations then.
The reason why FW? Well, first there was no USB 2, just FW. What choice did they have other than SCSI, and everyone was moving away from that, as was Apple (Oh yeah! People were mad about that too!)
Once USB 2 came out, most devices that were FW either remained FW,or began to sport both. Many other audio devices were released as USB 2 only.
I see the prices at some sites I go to every day, such as:
http://www.macintouch.com/
They link to amazon, as they get a bit every time you go there. The info is updated every day. Scroll down the page.
I dunno Mel. I got my current Mac off of Amazon, which is the way to go (no sales tax). Don't recall Amazon 'ALWAYS' offering rebates on all Macs... it's more like they come and go. Current MacBook rebate just started today, but the new MBs have been available on Amazon for a week or two.
Got a rebee on my current comp, though. Won't buy the next without one either.
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I dunno Mel. I got my current Mac off of Amazon, which is the way to go (no sales tax). Don't recall Amazon 'ALWAYS' offering rebates on all Macs... it's more like they come and go. Current MacBook rebate just started today, but the new MBs have been available on Amazon for a week or two.
Got a rebee on my current comp, though. Won't buy the next without one either.
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I saw the rebate last week.
I'll look a bit later for specific models.
Why?
Several reasons.
One is that after Atari collapsed (they were, by far, the biggest music computer around?without FW, or USB 2), the industry moved to Apple. The OS mostly, and this was also before either FW or USB 2. Mostly SCSI implementations then.
The reason why FW? Well, first there was no USB 2, just FW. What choice did they have other than SCSI, and everyone was moving away from that, as was Apple (Oh yeah! People were mad about that too!)
Once USB 2 came out, most devices that were FW either remained FW,or began to sport both. Many other audio devices were released as USB 2 only.
to my knowledge there aren't many (good) audio devices
which connect via USB2
there are a few - and admittedly due to the rise of the bedroom youtube rock star
the lower end ones are becoming more common - if you look at the forums they're pretty nasty though... i wouldn't buy one unless it was only for 2 tracks.
oh that's right i should buy an MBP
i know this has all been said but this is straight from apple's developer site
USB 2.0 works in a master/slave arrangement that adds significant overhead to data transfers. FireWire is a true peer-to-peer technology, so two or more FireWire peripherals can communicate with each other directly as peers, sending each piece of data over the bus only once, directly to its destination.
FireWire is also designed to provide useful amounts of power, allowing the user to power?and even charge the battery of?many FireWire peripherals from the computer. While USB 2.0 allows at most 2.5 W of power, enough for a simple device like a mouse, FireWire devices can provide or consume up to 45 W of power, enough to run high-performance disk drives and to rapidly charge batteries. This feature is especially beneficial to users of portable computers, as it can eliminate the need for multiple power adapters.
bolds are mine
the other advantage of FW is the ability to create agregate devices for adding tracks
no way to do that with USB (2 or 3)
so multiple machines means lots of complications and latency problems.
and try getting a combined headphone signal !?!
I saw the rebate last week.
Odd. Maybe on a different model than I was looking at?
From Amazon.com:
www.rebateshq.com/amazon-rebates
Please allow 8-10 weeks for processing
$50 Rebate
Promo ID: 08-48445
Valid Purchase Dates: 10/28/2008 to 11/17/2008
Last Submission Date: 12/17/2008
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/image...242395677_.pdf
to my knowledge there aren't many (good) audio devices
which connect via USB2
there are a few - and admittedly due to the rise of the bedroom youtube rock star
the lower end ones are becoming more common - if you look at the forums they're pretty nasty though... i wouldn't buy one unless it was only for 2 tracks.
oh that's right i should buy an MBP
The MBP statement is getting just a bit tiring, you know?
If you want the truth, I'll tell you. If you have a real business, your accountant would tell you to buy your equipment as capital expenses. Then you would depreciate it. Over that time period, you would find the difference in price between a MacBook and a MBP to be very little.
i know this has all been said but this is straight from apple's developer site
bolds are mine
the other advantage of FW is the ability to create agregate devices for adding tracks
no way to do that with USB (2 or 3)
so multiple machines means lots of complications and latency problems.
and try getting a combined headphone signal !?!
I'm quite aware of what they say. but you should understand that what they say isn't always as accurate for actual use as the specs make it seem. Where is that 45 watt port? Even for most FW devices you must still plug into power. Using the battery drains your laptop too quickly.
The overhead is BS these days, and Apple knows it.
They will encourage professional FW use on their pro machines, because few PC's have it built-in. Sometimes even pros balk at buying a card, because they need the slots for other, more important equipment.
Odd. Maybe on a different model than I was looking at?
From Amazon.com:
www.rebateshq.com/amazon-rebates
Please allow 8-10 weeks for processing
$50 Rebate
Promo ID: 08-48445
Valid Purchase Dates: 10/28/2008 to 11/17/2008
Last Submission Date: 12/17/2008
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/image...242395677_.pdf
The way they usually do it is to have the rebates last for a certain period. When that period is up, they start a new one. That allows them to vary their offerings.
The way they usually do it is to have the rebates last for a certain period. When that period is up, they start a new one. That allows them to vary their offerings.
I think I see the prob. From the MacInTouch site you use, and sent me to:
Meanwhile, Amazon is discounting FireWire MacBooks - get 'em while you can! Last week's MacBook Pro models are on sale, too, priced from $1444, only as long as supplies last... Or get one of Apple's latest laptops with a $5 Amazon discount:
aluminum MacBook
new MacBook Pro
new MacBook Air
I think you may have confused the "$5 discount" with the $50 rebate. The latter started just today on the new 'luminum MacBooks.
Or, one or both of us is on some heavy drugs they should've shared with the other.
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