Collectors are not commercially irrelevant, some brands rely heavily on collectors. It's just that they will buy pretty much anything. Which means you can create a product for collectors, but it does not give you the mass market. Frinstance, Collectors are buying vinyl - but the mass market for audio is download.
The important thing about physical media is that it leaks cash for the content publishers. The publishers have to pay a licence for duplication. Pay for inventory. and then share the sales revenue with distrubutors and shops. These shops can even decide to kick your content out of their store. And guess who has to pay to put it in landfill? On a $20 disk, the publisher might only see $6. And that has to cover the cost of creating the product and marketing it too. They want a bigger slice of the pie.
Download means no inventory, no manufacturing and no sharing revenue with expensive brick and mortar outlets.
The studios are hedging their bets this year, but as soon as the volumes for download start to increase, we will see them putting the squeeze on the stores.
Walter people are simply not going to go for a medium that doesn't allow you to play your file on your tv in the living room or loan it to a friend so he can play it on his tv in the living room ( or computer or wahtever ). This is what you have with physical media right now and have had for say oh 30 years or so.
That's what it has to replace. Now really I've been all over this in this thread are you really expecting me to believe that you haven't understood?
You download said movie, tv show, whatever. Ok it's on your computer. But legally you can't transfer the file to another medium to loan it out or play it on another device without special equipment ( like Apple TV ).
For this to be widely accepted everyone would have to have Apple TV or the same device. Get it now?
And no people aren't going to just give way to what the companies want. Especially since they've already had that flexiblity. They want what they want or they won't buy it.
This is what has been known for about 25 years as " Convergence ". It's a concept that's been talked about but never quite realized for a long time now. I believe it will happen someday where your TV is also you computer and stereo. It just hasn't happened yet.
A few things to be worked out with all those different companies.
Once again ( and I hope this is the last time ) I didn't say this won't happen! It'll just take years to work out the details. Right now you can't remove your vieo file from iTunes ( so you can play it in the living room or loan it out ) unless it's to your iPod or Apple TV which aren't ubiquitous items yet. So expecting this to replace all physical media is an unproven stretch right now. Maybe someday. But it'll take years. That's all I'm saying. Sorry if you don't like that scenero.
I just had to stop to open the front door my friend was returning my DVD copy of the second season of " The Outer Limitis ". How timely!
Oh *I* understand.
you can't LEGALLY loan out your DVD or BD right now, so you want, to quote Dr McCoy in "the search for Spock" to "do a damned illegal thing"
oh yeah, and haven't most people ripped apart your "arguments" in last years thread?
I know even *I* got sick of the whole "GET IT" BS
but here you are starting it all off again
GOT IT!
have you heard of a company called Netflix by any chance? they have their service running on a number of different devices, kinda like microsoft licences computer makers to use their software, Netflix allows manufacturers to include their service.
so NO we don't ALL need the one single device.
you have heard of microsoft i take it, they have been quite successful, but, you know, you stick with what you know so rigidly, its hard to tell sometimes.
//They want what they want or they won't buy it.//
REALLY? but iPods don't use physical media... oh yeah, THATS why you think the iPod has been a total failure.
I have a mac mini set up as a server with 600 films and well over 1000 TV shows, they stream to my AppleTV, just like I took the CDs I had and transferred them to my iPod.
I've bought songs from iTunes
and I've now rented from iTunes as well.
how is that not NOW?
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I just had to stop to open the front door my friend was returning my DVD copy of the second season of " The Outer Limitis ". How timely!
How Illegal
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If you want to stick to your guns then fine, just don't keep banging on like ONLY YOU are right, because lets face it, you aint.
amazingly there are enough companies using the netflix service to warrant a "shootout" of the devices, I remember paper biased magazines doing this with CD players, back when they were new, oh well, theres that progress thing again.
edit: (this is in response to the first of the 3 posts) I don't see how his friend borrowing DVDs is illegal unless his friend ripped them. Did he mention that in another post somewhere?
Also, don't forget that you can play purchased SD stuff off of your iPod. It's very easy to take it to a friend's house and connect to a TV. I have no doubt that someday there will be an iPod capable of the same HD functionality that the current iPod has for SD.
edit: (this is in response to the first of the 3 posts) I don't see how his friend borrowing DVDs is illegal unless his friend ripped them. Did he mention that in another post somewhere?
Also, don't forget that you can play purchased SD stuff off of your iPod. It's very easy to take it to a friend's house and connect to a TV. I have no doubt that someday there will be an iPod capable of the same HD functionality that the current iPod has for SD.
maybe need to check the law in your state, or even the fine print on the DVD cover, or actually read the warnings on the DVD itself when it starts to play.
its illegal to lend the disc, use it for a public performance etc.
you don't need to rip it to break the law, as far as the law in my country goes, its legal to make a copy for your own personal use.
you can't LEGALLY loan out your DVD or BD right now, so you want, to quote Dr McCoy in "the search for Spock" to "do a damned illegal thing"
oh yeah, and haven't most people ripped apart your "arguments" in last years thread?
I know even *I* got sick of the whole "GET IT" BS
but here you are starting it all off again
GOT IT!
have you heard of a company called Netflix by any chance? they have their service running on a number of different devices, kinda like microsoft licences computer makers to use their software, Netflix allows manufacturers to include their service.
so NO we don't ALL need the one single device.
you have heard of microsoft i take it, they have been quite successful, but, you know, you stick with what you know so rigidly, its hard to tell sometimes.
//They want what they want or they won't buy it.//
REALLY? but iPods don't use physical media... oh yeah, THATS why you think the iPod has been a total failure.
I have a mac mini set up as a server with 600 films and well over 1000 TV shows, they stream to my AppleTV, just like I took the CDs I had and transferred them to my iPod.
I've bought songs from iTunes
and I've now rented from iTunes as well.
how is that not NOW?
How Illegal
----
If you want to stick to your guns then fine, just don't keep banging on like ONLY YOU are right, because lets face it, you aint.
amazingly there are enough companies using the netflix service to warrant a "shootout" of the devices, I remember paper biased magazines doing this with CD players, back when they were new, oh well, theres that progress thing again.
Sigh! I can see you haven't been reading the thread and just jumped in here.
Walter don't be putz!
Quote:
you can't LEGALLY loan out your DVD or BD right now, so you want, to quote Dr McCoy in "the search for Spock" to "do a damned illegal thing"
But you can legally do this what the hell are you talking about?
It's the fact that you can't do this with a download. That's the heart of the matter.
Get it?
A year ago we first we argued about BD vs HD DVD. Now I've accepted BD and you're still bitching!
I love BluRay and want it to succeed! Ok!
Look try loaning a video from iTunes to a friend. Now do you get the difficulty?
It really seems people on this forum who claim to be knowlegeable can't grasp this simple concept. Until they try to do it that is.
With a disc you can easily play it on any DVD player or if it's a BD a BD player if your friend's got one but with a download ( because of the possibility of piracy ) you can't.
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oh yeah, and haven't most people ripped apart your "arguments" in last years thread?
No. It seems even you didn't understand.
But just try to loan any of those downloaded ( rental or purchased ) videos ( now ) to anyone or play it on your big screen in the living room.
This is my point Walter it doesn't have the same flexibility that physical media does. Until it does it will never replace physical media. So BD will have a chance to succeed and won't be replaced by Downloads in a short period of time.
The question is will downloads replace Physical media with the general public making BD pointless? In other words no more physical media. To do this and be accepted by everyone it also has to be legal. This is where the legallity question came up.
edit: (this is in response to the first of the 3 posts) I don't see how his friend borrowing DVDs is illegal unless his friend ripped them. Did he mention that in another post somewhere?
Also, don't forget that you can play purchased SD stuff off of your iPod. It's very easy to take it to a friend's house and connect to a TV. I have no doubt that someday there will be an iPod capable of the same HD functionality that the current iPod has for SD.
Yes it's important to remember that in this argument we're are taliking about the future so we're mostly talking about HD media.
I don't think Walter understood the discussion and just jumped in.
maybe need to check the law in your state, or even the fine print on the DVD cover, or actually read the warnings on the DVD itself when it starts to play.
its illegal to lend the disc, use it for a public performance etc.
you don't need to rip it to break the law, as far as the law in my country goes, its legal to make a copy for your own personal use.
It says for private home use. If you want to lend it as long as money doesn't change hands it's ok. It's when you charge for it like a video store, charge for a public performance, or duplicate that you run into trouble.
The question is will downloads replace Physical media with the general public making BD pointless? In other words no more physical media. To do this and be accepted by everyone it also has to be legal. This is where the legallity question came up.
That's what we've been arguing about.
Whew, you had your work cut out for you replying to Walter's rants.
One bone of contention (hopefully without associating myself with the ranting )...
I don't think that many people are taking the stance that blu-ray is pointless. Rather, most of the scenarios presented here are of downloads (or streaming) eventually cutting into physical media sales. There is a reasonable debate on how quickly it will happen, and how that compares to the blu-ray adoption rate. Will it take 3 years or 30 years for internet delivered video to become the norm?
Whew, you had your word cut out for you replying to Walter's rant.
One thing to point out (hopefully without associating myself with the ranting )...
I don't think that many people are taking the stance that blu-ray is pointless. Rather, most of the scenarios presented here are of downloads (or streaming) eventually cutting into physical media sales. The reasonable debate is on how quickly it will happen, and how that compares to the blu-ray adoption rate. Will it take 3 years or 30 years for internet delivered video to become the norm?
I think it will take 10 years for the possibility to become widely adopted in the same way physical media is. Not just because of bandwidth but the other issues also like the movie studios and the way people look at purchases. In the mean time we can see how BluRay fairs adoption wise.
I went the long route with Walter explaining everything I could because he didn't seem to understand the discussion in the first place.
I think it will take 10 years for the possibility to become widely adopted in the same way physical media is. Not just because of bandwidth but the other issues also like the movie studios and the way people look at purchases. In the mean time we can see how BluRay fairs adoption wise.
I went the long route with Walter explaining everything I could because he didn't seem to understand the discussion in the first place.
Oops, i meant to say "work cut out for you" not "word". Hopefully it didn't come off completely wrong.
Yeah, I'd say 10 years is in the ballpark. In the meantime we'll also see a large portion of the population make the jump much earlier.
The current video situation reminds me of what mp3 players and internet music retailing markets looked like prior to iPod/iTunes/iTS. Broadband was common but not a given. The technology existed and a sufficient customer base was already present. The problem was putting it all together into a reasonable product. I'd say we're in about the same situation today with internet video.
I think a handful of such products will pop up within two or three years and catch on like wildfire. Netflix is getting damn close (Roku Netlix Player). Or what if someone releases a hulu box for $99? Remote control and wifi included. And then what if hulu secures deals with all the TV and movie content owners... they ensure that ads are watched at least once on ad supported programming and that users can buy programming access on whim. Media bitrate scales to whatever you've got strung to your home.
Everyone wants to be the first to get the equation right. It is actually quite entertaining to watch the rapid churn of products and services aimed at this market.
I think it will take 10 years for the possibility to become widely adopted in the same way physical media is. Not just because of bandwidth but the other issues also like the movie studios and the way people look at purchases. In the mean time we can see how BluRay fairs adoption wise.
People have been saying it would take 10 years for five years now.
In the meantime, while you and your senior friends trade plastic discs, people keep telling me they've got the latest film in theatres downloaded and burned to a disc on their coffee table.
If Hollywood keeps listening to people like you, they will end up worse off than the music industry.
People have been saying it would take 10 years for five years now.
In the meantime, while you and your senior friends trade plastic discs, people keep telling me they've got the latest film in theatres downloaded and burned to a disc on their coffee table.
If Hollywood keeps listening to people like you, they will end up worse off than the music industry.
Actually, the infrastructure and the planning of broadband penetration have been going on since late 1990's. I used to invest heavily in the market and large portion my investments were on companies like "COVAD", who was putting out the infrastructure and many fiber optics cable manufacturers.
I would think the year 2010 would be about 10 years in the making of broadband infrastructure in the US market.
It's just matter of having current ISP's to update their aging equipments and this should not take 10 years or even 5 years from now.
Yes it's important to remember that in this argument we're are taliking about the future so we're mostly talking about HD media.
I don't think Walter understood the discussion and just jumped in.
as I understood it, YOU were moaning on about how digital downloads/rental services wouldn't work.
the thing is they are already there, in place, by many companies, did you check out the netflix service at all? or are you too blinded by your own stubbornness to actually check out a link?
It says for private home use. If you want to lend it as long as money doesn't change hands it's ok. It's when you charge for it like a video store, charge for a public performance, or duplicate that you run into trouble.
I think you will find that, that means the purchaser of the discs OWN HOME, not every tom dick and harry you wish to lend it two, if that were the case, why press up more than a few hundred copies?
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The important thing about physical media is that it leaks cash for the content publishers. The publishers have to pay a licence for duplication. Pay for inventory. and then share the sales revenue with distrubutors and shops. These shops can even decide to kick your content out of their store. And guess who has to pay to put it in landfill? On a $20 disk, the publisher might only see $6. And that has to cover the cost of creating the product and marketing it too. They want a bigger slice of the pie.
Download means no inventory, no manufacturing and no sharing revenue with expensive brick and mortar outlets.
The studios are hedging their bets this year, but as soon as the volumes for download start to increase, we will see them putting the squeeze on the stores.
C.
Walter people are simply not going to go for a medium that doesn't allow you to play your file on your tv in the living room or loan it to a friend so he can play it on his tv in the living room ( or computer or wahtever ). This is what you have with physical media right now and have had for say oh 30 years or so.
That's what it has to replace. Now really I've been all over this in this thread are you really expecting me to believe that you haven't understood?
You download said movie, tv show, whatever. Ok it's on your computer. But legally you can't transfer the file to another medium to loan it out or play it on another device without special equipment ( like Apple TV ).
For this to be widely accepted everyone would have to have Apple TV or the same device. Get it now?
And no people aren't going to just give way to what the companies want. Especially since they've already had that flexiblity. They want what they want or they won't buy it.
This is what has been known for about 25 years as " Convergence ". It's a concept that's been talked about but never quite realized for a long time now. I believe it will happen someday where your TV is also you computer and stereo. It just hasn't happened yet.
A few things to be worked out with all those different companies.
Once again ( and I hope this is the last time ) I didn't say this won't happen! It'll just take years to work out the details. Right now you can't remove your vieo file from iTunes ( so you can play it in the living room or loan it out ) unless it's to your iPod or Apple TV which aren't ubiquitous items yet. So expecting this to replace all physical media is an unproven stretch right now. Maybe someday. But it'll take years. That's all I'm saying. Sorry if you don't like that scenero.
I just had to stop to open the front door my friend was returning my DVD copy of the second season of " The Outer Limitis ". How timely!
Oh *I* understand.
you can't LEGALLY loan out your DVD or BD right now, so you want, to quote Dr McCoy in "the search for Spock" to "do a damned illegal thing"
oh yeah, and haven't most people ripped apart your "arguments" in last years thread?
I know even *I* got sick of the whole "GET IT" BS
but here you are starting it all off again
GOT IT!
have you heard of a company called Netflix by any chance? they have their service running on a number of different devices, kinda like microsoft licences computer makers to use their software, Netflix allows manufacturers to include their service.
so NO we don't ALL need the one single device.
you have heard of microsoft i take it, they have been quite successful, but, you know, you stick with what you know so rigidly, its hard to tell sometimes.
//They want what they want or they won't buy it.//
REALLY? but iPods don't use physical media... oh yeah, THATS why you think the iPod has been a total failure.
I have a mac mini set up as a server with 600 films and well over 1000 TV shows, they stream to my AppleTV, just like I took the CDs I had and transferred them to my iPod.
I've bought songs from iTunes
and I've now rented from iTunes as well.
how is that not NOW?
I just had to stop to open the front door my friend was returning my DVD copy of the second season of " The Outer Limitis ". How timely!
How Illegal
----
If you want to stick to your guns then fine, just don't keep banging on like ONLY YOU are right, because lets face it, you aint.
Edited http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/19/d...ming-shootout/
amazingly there are enough companies using the netflix service to warrant a "shootout" of the devices, I remember paper biased magazines doing this with CD players, back when they were new, oh well, theres that progress thing again.
So the real trick is building a download strategy that can compete with the fastest growing movie source: Piracy.
C.
you mean, oh surely you don't mean, like what happened in the past with the music industry!?
Napster Vs iTunes = where is Napster?
I mean that would just fit too easily into Jims idea that everything repeats itself... thereby forcing him into a paradox, and possibly an implosion.
Yes now that they are you still burn a CD to loan to your friends because you can.
You just can't do that with videos.
Frank give it up!
yes because its "a Damned Illegal thing"
Also, don't forget that you can play purchased SD stuff off of your iPod. It's very easy to take it to a friend's house and connect to a TV. I have no doubt that someday there will be an iPod capable of the same HD functionality that the current iPod has for SD.
edit: (this is in response to the first of the 3 posts) I don't see how his friend borrowing DVDs is illegal unless his friend ripped them. Did he mention that in another post somewhere?
Also, don't forget that you can play purchased SD stuff off of your iPod. It's very easy to take it to a friend's house and connect to a TV. I have no doubt that someday there will be an iPod capable of the same HD functionality that the current iPod has for SD.
maybe need to check the law in your state, or even the fine print on the DVD cover, or actually read the warnings on the DVD itself when it starts to play.
its illegal to lend the disc, use it for a public performance etc.
you don't need to rip it to break the law, as far as the law in my country goes, its legal to make a copy for your own personal use.
Oh *I* understand.
you can't LEGALLY loan out your DVD or BD right now, so you want, to quote Dr McCoy in "the search for Spock" to "do a damned illegal thing"
oh yeah, and haven't most people ripped apart your "arguments" in last years thread?
I know even *I* got sick of the whole "GET IT" BS
but here you are starting it all off again
GOT IT!
have you heard of a company called Netflix by any chance? they have their service running on a number of different devices, kinda like microsoft licences computer makers to use their software, Netflix allows manufacturers to include their service.
so NO we don't ALL need the one single device.
you have heard of microsoft i take it, they have been quite successful, but, you know, you stick with what you know so rigidly, its hard to tell sometimes.
//They want what they want or they won't buy it.//
REALLY? but iPods don't use physical media... oh yeah, THATS why you think the iPod has been a total failure.
I have a mac mini set up as a server with 600 films and well over 1000 TV shows, they stream to my AppleTV, just like I took the CDs I had and transferred them to my iPod.
I've bought songs from iTunes
and I've now rented from iTunes as well.
how is that not NOW?
How Illegal
----
If you want to stick to your guns then fine, just don't keep banging on like ONLY YOU are right, because lets face it, you aint.
Edited http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/19/d...ming-shootout/
amazingly there are enough companies using the netflix service to warrant a "shootout" of the devices, I remember paper biased magazines doing this with CD players, back when they were new, oh well, theres that progress thing again.
Sigh! I can see you haven't been reading the thread and just jumped in here.
Walter don't be putz!
you can't LEGALLY loan out your DVD or BD right now, so you want, to quote Dr McCoy in "the search for Spock" to "do a damned illegal thing"
But you can legally do this what the hell are you talking about?
It's the fact that you can't do this with a download. That's the heart of the matter.
Get it?
A year ago we first we argued about BD vs HD DVD. Now I've accepted BD and you're still bitching!
I love BluRay and want it to succeed! Ok!
Look try loaning a video from iTunes to a friend. Now do you get the difficulty?
It really seems people on this forum who claim to be knowlegeable can't grasp this simple concept. Until they try to do it that is.
With a disc you can easily play it on any DVD player or if it's a BD a BD player if your friend's got one but with a download ( because of the possibility of piracy ) you can't.
oh yeah, and haven't most people ripped apart your "arguments" in last years thread?
No. It seems even you didn't understand.
But just try to loan any of those downloaded ( rental or purchased ) videos ( now ) to anyone or play it on your big screen in the living room.
This is my point Walter it doesn't have the same flexibility that physical media does. Until it does it will never replace physical media. So BD will have a chance to succeed and won't be replaced by Downloads in a short period of time.
The question is will downloads replace Physical media with the general public making BD pointless? In other words no more physical media. To do this and be accepted by everyone it also has to be legal. This is where the legallity question came up.
That's what we've been arguing about.
edit: (this is in response to the first of the 3 posts) I don't see how his friend borrowing DVDs is illegal unless his friend ripped them. Did he mention that in another post somewhere?
Also, don't forget that you can play purchased SD stuff off of your iPod. It's very easy to take it to a friend's house and connect to a TV. I have no doubt that someday there will be an iPod capable of the same HD functionality that the current iPod has for SD.
Yes it's important to remember that in this argument we're are taliking about the future so we're mostly talking about HD media.
I don't think Walter understood the discussion and just jumped in.
maybe need to check the law in your state, or even the fine print on the DVD cover, or actually read the warnings on the DVD itself when it starts to play.
its illegal to lend the disc, use it for a public performance etc.
you don't need to rip it to break the law, as far as the law in my country goes, its legal to make a copy for your own personal use.
It says for private home use. If you want to lend it as long as money doesn't change hands it's ok. It's when you charge for it like a video store, charge for a public performance, or duplicate that you run into trouble.
[snip]
The question is will downloads replace Physical media with the general public making BD pointless? In other words no more physical media. To do this and be accepted by everyone it also has to be legal. This is where the legallity question came up.
That's what we've been arguing about.
Whew, you had your work cut out for you replying to Walter's rants.
One bone of contention (hopefully without associating myself with the ranting
I don't think that many people are taking the stance that blu-ray is pointless. Rather, most of the scenarios presented here are of downloads (or streaming) eventually cutting into physical media sales. There is a reasonable debate on how quickly it will happen, and how that compares to the blu-ray adoption rate. Will it take 3 years or 30 years for internet delivered video to become the norm?
Whew, you had your word cut out for you replying to Walter's rant.
One thing to point out (hopefully without associating myself with the ranting
I don't think that many people are taking the stance that blu-ray is pointless. Rather, most of the scenarios presented here are of downloads (or streaming) eventually cutting into physical media sales. The reasonable debate is on how quickly it will happen, and how that compares to the blu-ray adoption rate. Will it take 3 years or 30 years for internet delivered video to become the norm?
I think it will take 10 years for the possibility to become widely adopted in the same way physical media is. Not just because of bandwidth but the other issues also like the movie studios and the way people look at purchases. In the mean time we can see how BluRay fairs adoption wise.
I went the long route with Walter explaining everything I could because he didn't seem to understand the discussion in the first place.
I think it will take 10 years for the possibility to become widely adopted in the same way physical media is. Not just because of bandwidth but the other issues also like the movie studios and the way people look at purchases. In the mean time we can see how BluRay fairs adoption wise.
I went the long route with Walter explaining everything I could because he didn't seem to understand the discussion in the first place.
Oops, i meant to say "work cut out for you" not "word".
Yeah, I'd say 10 years is in the ballpark. In the meantime we'll also see a large portion of the population make the jump much earlier.
The current video situation reminds me of what mp3 players and internet music retailing markets looked like prior to iPod/iTunes/iTS. Broadband was common but not a given. The technology existed and a sufficient customer base was already present. The problem was putting it all together into a reasonable product. I'd say we're in about the same situation today with internet video.
I think a handful of such products will pop up within two or three years and catch on like wildfire. Netflix is getting damn close (Roku Netlix Player). Or what if someone releases a hulu box for $99? Remote control and wifi included. And then what if hulu secures deals with all the TV and movie content owners... they ensure that ads are watched at least once on ad supported programming and that users can buy programming access on whim. Media bitrate scales to whatever you've got strung to your home.
Everyone wants to be the first to get the equation right. It is actually quite entertaining to watch the rapid churn of products and services aimed at this market.
I think it will take 10 years for the possibility to become widely adopted in the same way physical media is. Not just because of bandwidth but the other issues also like the movie studios and the way people look at purchases. In the mean time we can see how BluRay fairs adoption wise.
People have been saying it would take 10 years for five years now.
In the meantime, while you and your senior friends trade plastic discs, people keep telling me they've got the latest film in theatres downloaded and burned to a disc on their coffee table.
If Hollywood keeps listening to people like you, they will end up worse off than the music industry.
People have been saying it would take 10 years for five years now.
In the meantime, while you and your senior friends trade plastic discs, people keep telling me they've got the latest film in theatres downloaded and burned to a disc on their coffee table.
If Hollywood keeps listening to people like you, they will end up worse off than the music industry.
Actually, the infrastructure and the planning of broadband penetration have been going on since late 1990's. I used to invest heavily in the market and large portion my investments were on companies like "COVAD", who was putting out the infrastructure and many fiber optics cable manufacturers.
I would think the year 2010 would be about 10 years in the making of broadband infrastructure in the US market.
It's just matter of having current ISP's to update their aging equipments and this should not take 10 years or even 5 years from now.
I'll keep an eye out, but I've never noticed one mention lending. lending is not reproduction or distribution.
lending isnt distribution?
what is it exactly then?
Look try loaning a video from iTunes to a friend. Now do you get the difficulty?
ITS ILLEGAL
NOW do YOU understand the difficulty?
Yes it's important to remember that in this argument we're are taliking about the future so we're mostly talking about HD media.
I don't think Walter understood the discussion and just jumped in.
as I understood it, YOU were moaning on about how digital downloads/rental services wouldn't work.
the thing is they are already there, in place, by many companies, did you check out the netflix service at all? or are you too blinded by your own stubbornness to actually check out a link?
It says for private home use. If you want to lend it as long as money doesn't change hands it's ok. It's when you charge for it like a video store, charge for a public performance, or duplicate that you run into trouble.
I think you will find that, that means the purchaser of the discs OWN HOME, not every tom dick and harry you wish to lend it two, if that were the case, why press up more than a few hundred copies?
GOT IT