I'm not gonna lie I bought some BluRay for my PS3 just so I could show it off to people.. yes I'm shallow but damn it LOST looks beautiful in Blu!
Heh. Fair enough. I've seen a bit of LOST in BluRay, you really notice how good that show's lighting is. Even though they're in the jungle and all that, they really make it feel like a "special" island.
As Daniel Faraday said... "There's something about the light... not quite right..." or something like that.
...and now if only Hollywood can tap into Voltron then my favorite childhood toys making it to the big screen would be complete. (Transformers, GIJOE, Voltron)
If Apple is ready to jump on the Blu-bandwagon, it will probably come with the rumoured March 29 Mac Pro update.
I'm beginning to the think Apple is going to try and skip Blu-ray entirely. Hopefully they'll just be late to the game like with CD-R. Anyway, we've had 3rd party burners for awhile now. I've been burning Blu-ray on my Mac Pro for almost a year now.
Netflix’s decision last year to add a $1 surcharge to monthly subscribers of Blu-ray Disc movies continues to pay dividends.
The Los Gatos, Calif.-based online DVD rental pioneer said it ended the fourth quarter (ended Dec. 31) with 700,000 specific Blu-ray subscribers — up 200,000 from its year-end goal.
CEO Reed Hastings, in a call with investors, said Netflix remained committed to the next-generation packaged media format and was “on par” in terms of where the trends have been over the past couple of years.
At first skeptical of Blu-ray’s market durability, Hastings said the format has proven to be stronger than DVD during its initial rollout. The executive said the service has applied lessons learned from the early days of DVD to Blu-ray distribution.
“We’re much smarter now, so we’re further down that [learning] curve than we were in DVD at this point in its life,” Hastings said. “If Blu-ray player prices continue to fall as expected, driven by next-generation chip designs, then widespread adoption becomes increasingly likely and it extends the life of disc-based viewing.”
Again. VOD viewing will come to fruition. Just not as fast as I think some think here. It will be a few years for sure. Disc-base viewing will definitely be here for a long time in the form of Blu-ray in my opinion.
Heh. Fair enough. I've seen a bit of LOST in BluRay, you really notice how good that show's lighting is. Even though they're in the jungle and all that, they really make it feel like a "special" island.
As Daniel Faraday said... "There's something about the light... not quite right..." or something like that.
That and I'm a sucker for LOST but glad someone got the reference!
But honestly the only movies I have are gifts/free and a few like LOST, Casino Royale and Ratatouille (jaw dropper) but I still don't feel safe buying movies I might have just because it may look a little better. Jury is still out on this and I'm the sucker who bought the HD DVD add on (laugh it up) so yeah I'm an early adopter nightmare waiting to happen.
In the most recent issue of Home Media Magazine, new Nielsen First Alert data is now reporting that Blu-ray sales represented 17% of the home video market for the week ending January 25th, a new record for the high definition format. The previous record of 16% was reached only a few weeks ago, and makes for some very impressive results for the month of January.
I know some in the past have shunned anything from blu-ray.com or Nielsen for that matter (where the above figures come from) but reading the comments on that particular thread, someone nails it right on the head.
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Part of me keeps seeing the number as small till I stop to think that the goal is really 51% not 100%. When it climbs to 51% it's overtaken DVD... It's closing in on that goal pretty fast.
though I guess, for interests of fairness, the same holds true for downloads.
Their is indeed a vibrant and growing demand for digital video downloads.
"bootleg copies of Warner Bros? ?The Dark Knight? were downloaded 7 million times in the space of 6 months."
"more than 1 million XBox Live gold members (who pay a $50 annual fee) have activated a Netflix (NFLX) app and used it to watch, in the space of three months, more than 1.5 billion minutes of movies and TV shows downloaded over the Internet."
"each episode of ?Heroes,? a series on NBC, is downloaded five million times,"
"The Dark Knight Blu-ray is up to nearly 3 million copies sold worldwide"
Their is indeed a vibrant and growing demand for digital video downloads.
"bootleg copies of Warner Bros? ?The Dark Knight? were downloaded 7 million times in the space of 6 months."
"more than 1 million XBox Live gold members (who pay a $50 annual fee) have activated a Netflix (NFLX) app and used it to watch, in the space of three months, more than 1.5 billion minutes of movies and TV shows downloaded over the Internet."
"each episode of ?Heroes,? a series on NBC, is downloaded five million times,"
"The Dark Knight Blu-ray is up to nearly 3 million copies sold worldwide"
I'm happy to have a high quality optical format. I really think the two technologies will work nicely together.
I've learned that you really need to tailore your medium choices to the real world results. Today's digitally captured films done with good cinematoghrapy and post production shine on Blu-ray.
But let's be honest many movies from even a decade ago aren't going to shine equally. They will probably be fine in 720p download format.
I'm thinking that Blu-ray is going to be the premium purchase for me and I won't worry about buying everything in Blu-ray but rather the stuff that really shines on the format.
Digital downloads will continue to increase and in about 3 years we'll likely see a new codec that reduces filesizes by half which will enable faster movie downloads and a slight improvement in quality.
I'm happy to have a high quality optical format. I really think the two technologies will work nicely together.
I completely agree.
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I've learned that you really need to tailore your medium choices to the real world results. Today's digitally captured films done with good cinematoghrapy and post production shine on Blu-ray.
The hype of digital filmmaking exceeds the reality. The majority of movies and television are still shot on 35mm film.
Quote:
But let's be honest many movies from even a decade ago aren't going to shine equally. They will probably be fine in 720p download format.
Film resolution doesn't work like digital resolution at all. A film image isn't locked into a fixed pixel grid like a digital image. Their is a great deal of resolution stored in a frame of 35mm film. The audience actually never gets to see all of that visual information. By the time you see a movie on the screen it has lost over 3/4ths of its original resolution.
Modern film scanning equipment is able to capture a great deal of the native resolution stored in an old film negative to restore the films original pristine quality.
The problem are old science fiction films. The visual effects were created with the technology available at the time. Old visual effects appear dated and obvious when you rescan the print at a higher resolution than was capable decades ago.
Their have been some rare instances of recreating the visual effects so they match current quality and expectation.
You continue to be shown actual evidence that digital downloads is happening right now. You are choosing to ignore in favor of what you wish the reality to be.
It reminds me of Stephen Colbert on the night Obama won the election. Colbert put on a pair of dark welders glasses and noise canceling headphones. He said if he didn't see it or hear it, it didn't happen.
You continue to be shown actual evidence that digital downloads is happening right now. You are choosing to ignore in favor of what you wish the reality to be.
It reminds me of Stephen Colbert on the night Obama won the election. Colbert put on a pair of dark welders glasses and noise canceling headphones. He said if he didn't see it or hear it, it didn't happen.
You'd have a valid point if you could provide a link to something from a credible source that says the roadblocks I've sited have been overcome or that it was making significant headway in that direction.
Once again I'll say it slow for you. Downloads will fill a rental type of model. Purchasing will still be dominated by physical media for sometime because of the obvious.
Netflix (for one) is working hard at overcoming hurdles to video streaming. They routinely survey their customers to find out how they feel about the streaming experience. Here's the most recent survey they sent me...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Netflix
Survey: How Was the Picture and Audio Quality?
You recently watched Flawless. To help us ensure a great experience for all members, would you take a moment to tell us about the picture and audio quality?
The quality was very good
The quality was acceptable
The quality was unacceptable
Thanks for your help!
-Your friends at Netflix
This is pretty much how all of their surveys look. You receive an email and answer one question by clicking on a link. Survey done. More feedback is possible in free-form text entry if you feel like providing it. I can only imagine that if they keep at it, they'll soon have a product that is broadly popular.
People have linked to many stories talking about the growing demand for streaming video. Just above I linked to a story in the New York Times and in Forbes Magazine, that both talk about the growing demand. In the article is sites how "The Dark Knight" has been downloaded just as many copies as the Blu-ray disc has been purchased.
The most credible source is the growing number of video streaming services. They are not developing these services to be used 10 years from now.
You choose to ignore and dismiss this information.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmac
You'd have a valid point if you could provide a link to something from a credible source that says the roadblocks I've sited have been overcome or that it was making significant headway in that direction.
Once again I'll say it slow for you. Downloads will fill a rental type of model. Purchasing will still be dominated by physical media for sometime because of the obvious.
People have linked to many stories talking about the growing demand for streaming video. Just above I linked to a story in the New York Times and in Forbes Magazine, that both talk about the growing demand. In the article is sites how "The Dark Knight" has been downloaded just as many copies as the Blu-ray disc has been purchased.
The most credible source is the growing number of video streaming services. They are not developing these services to be used 10 years from now.
You choose to ignore and dismiss this information.
Quote:
Just above I linked to a story in the New York Times and in Forbes Magazine, that both talk about the growing demand. In the article is sites how "The Dark Knight" has been downloaded just as many copies as the Blu-ray disc has been purchased.
You mean illegally.
From your link :
Quote:
I think about getting sued every day. If that happens it will definitely take us out of business,” he said.
Mr. Mir has reason for concern. In December, the motion picture association sued three Web sites that it said were facilitating copyright infringement by identifying and indexing links to pirated material around the Web.
This doesn't show that downloading will become the replacement for physical media sales in the near future. All you've done is show the pirating problem is rampant.
Lots of people smoke pot right now but it hasn't been legalized or accepted in the mainsteam as a item of choice.
From your second link :
Quote:
So where does that leave Apple TV, the set-top box that Jobs unveiled two years ago as Apple’s (AAPL) path to Hollywood’s salvation? Originally a device for connecting a computer wirelessly to a TV, it was updated last year to allow shows and songs to be purchased or rented directly from the iTunes Store.
Although sales of the device tripled last quarter, thanks largely to movie rentals, it is still a minor player in the transition from the old distribution paradigms to the new.
Show me some information that solves those problems I listed ok?
I'm not against downloading. The second they show me a solution to these issues and you can purchase, ( you didn't think for one min. it was going to be for free did you? ) download, and transfer for portability I'll jump on the band wagon Hell they'll probably have pretty packaging and special features to go along to boot!
Because it has to be a legal solution to prove that it will be accepted as a mainstream replacement for physical media. If not you've basically contributed nothing to the discussion.
Until these issues are solved downloading will be the realm of the renter and the pirate.
Come on man address the issues if you're so right!
Come on! I've thrown the gaunlet down! Address the issues I listed as problems with dowloading becoming a replacement for physical meidia within a 10 year timeframe.
I guess it's 9 years now that we've been arguing for almost a year now!
This doesn't show that downloading will become the replacement for physical media sales in the near future. All you've done is show the pirating problem is rampant.
wow, sounds like the recording studios a few short years back,
talking about music.. [sarcasm] but then THEY were as "right" as you are now..
ok, lemme think now, didn't we have this sort of "non believer" issue with the die hard HD-DVD fan people a few years ago.
what is the magic number you need to see Jim, before you can focus on the writing thats on the wall all the rest of us can see?
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its funny, Steve Jobs is famed for his forward looking farsightedness in seeing whats coming down the pipe before the rest of us, but wow Jim you are like the anti Steve in that respect.
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oh yeah, I take it you heard the news about the Star Trek films getting a RE RE RE RE RE (etc) release on BD at some point around the launch of the new movie?
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I'm not gonna lie I bought some BluRay for my PS3 just so I could show it off to people.. yes I'm shallow but damn it LOST looks beautiful in Blu!
Heh. Fair enough. I've seen a bit of LOST in BluRay, you really notice how good that show's lighting is. Even though they're in the jungle and all that, they really make it feel like a "special" island.
As Daniel Faraday said... "There's something about the light... not quite right..." or something like that.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramo...oeriseofcobra/
...and now if only Hollywood can tap into Voltron then my favorite childhood toys making it to the big screen would be complete. (Transformers, GIJOE, Voltron)
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramo...geofthefallen/
Looks like Mac-ready, BR-burning drives are ready for the mass market.
If Apple is ready to jump on the Blu-bandwagon, it will probably come with the rumoured March 29 Mac Pro update.
I'm beginning to the think Apple is going to try and skip Blu-ray entirely. Hopefully they'll just be late to the game like with CD-R. Anyway, we've had 3rd party burners for awhile now. I've been burning Blu-ray on my Mac Pro for almost a year now.
Wow, just...wow. Apparently Jimmac, the future is here now, and you've been left behind.
Read like an online content pep rally article.
Funny how when citing Netflix's increase in revenue, there was no mention of this...
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/hig...ray-subs-14438
Netflix Heralds 700K Blu-ray Subs
Netflix’s decision last year to add a $1 surcharge to monthly subscribers of Blu-ray Disc movies continues to pay dividends.
The Los Gatos, Calif.-based online DVD rental pioneer said it ended the fourth quarter (ended Dec. 31) with 700,000 specific Blu-ray subscribers — up 200,000 from its year-end goal.
CEO Reed Hastings, in a call with investors, said Netflix remained committed to the next-generation packaged media format and was “on par” in terms of where the trends have been over the past couple of years.
At first skeptical of Blu-ray’s market durability, Hastings said the format has proven to be stronger than DVD during its initial rollout. The executive said the service has applied lessons learned from the early days of DVD to Blu-ray distribution.
“We’re much smarter now, so we’re further down that [learning] curve than we were in DVD at this point in its life,” Hastings said. “If Blu-ray player prices continue to fall as expected, driven by next-generation chip designs, then widespread adoption becomes increasingly likely and it extends the life of disc-based viewing.”
Again. VOD viewing will come to fruition. Just not as fast as I think some think here. It will be a few years for sure. Disc-base viewing will definitely be here for a long time in the form of Blu-ray in my opinion.
Heh. Fair enough. I've seen a bit of LOST in BluRay, you really notice how good that show's lighting is. Even though they're in the jungle and all that, they really make it feel like a "special" island.
As Daniel Faraday said... "There's something about the light... not quite right..." or something like that.
That and I'm a sucker for LOST but glad someone got the reference!
But honestly the only movies I have are gifts/free and a few like LOST, Casino Royale and Ratatouille (jaw dropper) but I still don't feel safe buying movies I might have just because it may look a little better. Jury is still out on this and I'm the sucker who bought the HD DVD add on (laugh it up) so yeah I'm an early adopter nightmare waiting to happen.
In the most recent issue of Home Media Magazine, new Nielsen First Alert data is now reporting that Blu-ray sales represented 17% of the home video market for the week ending January 25th, a new record for the high definition format. The previous record of 16% was reached only a few weeks ago, and makes for some very impressive results for the month of January.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2357
I know some in the past have shunned anything from blu-ray.com or Nielsen for that matter (where the above figures come from) but reading the comments on that particular thread, someone nails it right on the head.
Part of me keeps seeing the number as small till I stop to think that the goal is really 51% not 100%. When it climbs to 51% it's overtaken DVD... It's closing in on that goal pretty fast.
though I guess, for interests of fairness, the same holds true for downloads.
"bootleg copies of Warner Bros? ?The Dark Knight? were downloaded 7 million times in the space of 6 months."
"more than 1 million XBox Live gold members (who pay a $50 annual fee) have activated a Netflix (NFLX) app and used it to watch, in the space of three months, more than 1.5 billion minutes of movies and TV shows downloaded over the Internet."
"each episode of ?Heroes,? a series on NBC, is downloaded five million times,"
"The Dark Knight Blu-ray is up to nearly 3 million copies sold worldwide"
Digital Pirates Winning Battle With Studios
Can Apple save Hollywood?
Their is indeed a vibrant and growing demand for digital video downloads.
"bootleg copies of Warner Bros? ?The Dark Knight? were downloaded 7 million times in the space of 6 months."
"more than 1 million XBox Live gold members (who pay a $50 annual fee) have activated a Netflix (NFLX) app and used it to watch, in the space of three months, more than 1.5 billion minutes of movies and TV shows downloaded over the Internet."
"each episode of ?Heroes,? a series on NBC, is downloaded five million times,"
"The Dark Knight Blu-ray is up to nearly 3 million copies sold worldwide"
Digital Pirates Winning Battle With Studios
Can Apple save Hollywood?
I'm happy to have a high quality optical format. I really think the two technologies will work nicely together.
I've learned that you really need to tailore your medium choices to the real world results. Today's digitally captured films done with good cinematoghrapy and post production shine on Blu-ray.
But let's be honest many movies from even a decade ago aren't going to shine equally. They will probably be fine in 720p download format.
I'm thinking that Blu-ray is going to be the premium purchase for me and I won't worry about buying everything in Blu-ray but rather the stuff that really shines on the format.
Digital downloads will continue to increase and in about 3 years we'll likely see a new codec that reduces filesizes by half which will enable faster movie downloads and a slight improvement in quality.
I'm happy to have a high quality optical format. I really think the two technologies will work nicely together.
I completely agree.
I've learned that you really need to tailore your medium choices to the real world results. Today's digitally captured films done with good cinematoghrapy and post production shine on Blu-ray.
The hype of digital filmmaking exceeds the reality. The majority of movies and television are still shot on 35mm film.
But let's be honest many movies from even a decade ago aren't going to shine equally. They will probably be fine in 720p download format.
Film resolution doesn't work like digital resolution at all. A film image isn't locked into a fixed pixel grid like a digital image. Their is a great deal of resolution stored in a frame of 35mm film. The audience actually never gets to see all of that visual information. By the time you see a movie on the screen it has lost over 3/4ths of its original resolution.
Modern film scanning equipment is able to capture a great deal of the native resolution stored in an old film negative to restore the films original pristine quality.
The problem are old science fiction films. The visual effects were created with the technology available at the time. Old visual effects appear dated and obvious when you rescan the print at a higher resolution than was capable decades ago.
Their have been some rare instances of recreating the visual effects so they match current quality and expectation.
Yeah, this digital movie thing is at least a decade away.
This is like watching the RIAA whistling past the introduction of iTunes.
Same old thing. Same arguments.
Same blind spot.
It reminds me of Stephen Colbert on the night Obama won the election. Colbert put on a pair of dark welders glasses and noise canceling headphones. He said if he didn't see it or hear it, it didn't happen.
Same old thing. Same arguments.
Same blind spot.
You continue to be shown actual evidence that digital downloads is happening right now. You are choosing to ignore in favor of what you wish the reality to be.
It reminds me of Stephen Colbert on the night Obama won the election. Colbert put on a pair of dark welders glasses and noise canceling headphones. He said if he didn't see it or hear it, it didn't happen.
You'd have a valid point if you could provide a link to something from a credible source that says the roadblocks I've sited have been overcome or that it was making significant headway in that direction.
Once again I'll say it slow for you. Downloads will fill a rental type of model. Purchasing will still be dominated by physical media for sometime because of the obvious.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38151/113/
Blu-ray on track to surpass DVD sales in 2012
That article was written last year so it's only 3 years now until this happens.
By the way I voted for Obama.
Survey: How Was the Picture and Audio Quality?
You recently watched Flawless. To help us ensure a great experience for all members, would you take a moment to tell us about the picture and audio quality?
The quality was very good
The quality was acceptable
The quality was unacceptable
Thanks for your help!
-Your friends at Netflix
This is pretty much how all of their surveys look. You receive an email and answer one question by clicking on a link. Survey done. More feedback is possible in free-form text entry if you feel like providing it. I can only imagine that if they keep at it, they'll soon have a product that is broadly popular.
The most credible source is the growing number of video streaming services. They are not developing these services to be used 10 years from now.
You choose to ignore and dismiss this information.
You'd have a valid point if you could provide a link to something from a credible source that says the roadblocks I've sited have been overcome or that it was making significant headway in that direction.
Once again I'll say it slow for you. Downloads will fill a rental type of model. Purchasing will still be dominated by physical media for sometime because of the obvious.
People have linked to many stories talking about the growing demand for streaming video. Just above I linked to a story in the New York Times and in Forbes Magazine, that both talk about the growing demand. In the article is sites how "The Dark Knight" has been downloaded just as many copies as the Blu-ray disc has been purchased.
The most credible source is the growing number of video streaming services. They are not developing these services to be used 10 years from now.
You choose to ignore and dismiss this information.
Just above I linked to a story in the New York Times and in Forbes Magazine, that both talk about the growing demand. In the article is sites how "The Dark Knight" has been downloaded just as many copies as the Blu-ray disc has been purchased.
You mean illegally.
From your link :
I think about getting sued every day. If that happens it will definitely take us out of business,” he said.
Mr. Mir has reason for concern. In December, the motion picture association sued three Web sites that it said were facilitating copyright infringement by identifying and indexing links to pirated material around the Web.
This doesn't show that downloading will become the replacement for physical media sales in the near future. All you've done is show the pirating problem is rampant.
Lots of people smoke pot right now but it hasn't been legalized or accepted in the mainsteam as a item of choice.
From your second link :
So where does that leave Apple TV, the set-top box that Jobs unveiled two years ago as Apple’s (AAPL) path to Hollywood’s salvation? Originally a device for connecting a computer wirelessly to a TV, it was updated last year to allow shows and songs to be purchased or rented directly from the iTunes Store.
Although sales of the device tripled last quarter, thanks largely to movie rentals, it is still a minor player in the transition from the old distribution paradigms to the new.
Show me some information that solves those problems I listed ok?
I'm not against downloading. The second they show me a solution to these issues and you can purchase, ( you didn't think for one min. it was going to be for free did you?
Because it has to be a legal solution to prove that it will be accepted as a mainstream replacement for physical media. If not you've basically contributed nothing to the discussion.
Until these issues are solved downloading will be the realm of the renter and the pirate.
Come on man address the issues if you're so right!
Same old thing. Same arguments.
Same blind spot.
yes, yes you have the same blind spot.
pity
yes, yes you have the same blind spot.
pity
Prove me wrong if you can Walter.
Come on! I've thrown the gaunlet down! Address the issues I listed as problems with dowloading becoming a replacement for physical meidia within a 10 year timeframe.
I guess it's 9 years now that we've been arguing for almost a year now!
This doesn't show that downloading will become the replacement for physical media sales in the near future. All you've done is show the pirating problem is rampant.
wow, sounds like the recording studios a few short years back,
talking about music.. [sarcasm] but then THEY were as "right" as you are now..
[/sarcasm]
Prove me wrong if you can Walter.
ok, lemme think now, didn't we have this sort of "non believer" issue with the die hard HD-DVD fan people a few years ago.
what is the magic number you need to see Jim, before you can focus on the writing thats on the wall all the rest of us can see?
--
its funny, Steve Jobs is famed for his forward looking farsightedness in seeing whats coming down the pipe before the rest of us, but wow Jim you are like the anti Steve in that respect.
--
oh yeah, I take it you heard the news about the Star Trek films getting a RE RE RE RE RE (etc) release on BD at some point around the launch of the new movie?