I've seen some 720p encodes ranging from 4GB to 8.5GB depends on the bitrate/showing time/audio encodes. Also, 1080p encodes can also range from 8GB to 20GB depends on the same variables of listed parameters.
Regardless, it takes less time to download today than it did a year ago. My old 6mbps DSL really seems slow now compared to comcast 15mbps connection. I get about 1.5 mb/s download speed. I'm not scare of downloading 10+ GB files any more.
Let us know when you make up your mind because right now it looks like you're just making up numbers to support your position.
Currently 32 files up to and over 8 gig. All of which are also well over 7gig. Over and above 8gig would have been a more linguistically unambiguous use of phraseology. Thanks for caring.
As the article notes, it comes with Toast which has supported Blue-Ray for quite a while now.
The comments underneith reflect the discussion that is going on here though which is why would someone buy the burner for $500 when they could add four terabytes of external, easily movable storage for the same cost and don't have to deal with media.
As the article notes, it comes with Toast which has supported Blue-Ray for quite a while now.
The comments underneith reflect the discussion that is going on here though which is why would someone buy the burner for $500 when they could add four terabytes of external, easily movable storage for the same cost and don't have to deal with media.
Well right now only the newest tvs have USB ports. So it a question of portability. Also one has to ask is what you're talking about legal? Of course if you were burning BDs from say a torrent or any kind of download of a studio made film would that be legal? I don't think so.
If people are going to do it then they'll do it. Just making a point.
So what about using an iPod to tote around your files? It works as a self-powered USB drive as well.
well according to Jim ("go back and read ALL MY POSTS") there isn't a connector that lets you go from iPod to TV, ergo its LESS convenient than a DVD player that just EEEEVERYONE has.
well according to Jim ("go back and read ALL MY POSTS") there isn't a connector that lets you go from iPod to TV, ergo its LESS convenient than a DVD player that just EEEEVERYONE has.
Are you suggesting that not everyone has a dvd player? And also suggesting that more people have an iPod to carry videos around on? I guarantee the masses would adopt a Blu-Ray player at ~100 to ~150 over buying an iPod to store their movies.
Are you suggesting that not everyone has a dvd player? And also suggesting that more people have an iPod to carry videos around on? I guarantee the masses would adopt a Blu-Ray player at ~100 to ~150 over buying an iPod to store their movies.
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I personally know at least 7 people that do not own a DVD player.
Jim seems to think that there is NO VIABLE alternative to physical media, I think he is wrong.
the iPod is one viable alternative to physical media, that answers Jims apparently unanswerable.
I personally know at least 7 people that do not own a DVD player.
Jim seems to think that there is NO VIABLE alternative to physical media, I think he is wrong.
the iPod is one viable alternative to physical media, that answers Jims apparently unanswerable.
You know 7 people who do not own a DVD player? Do you live in an old age home?? I do not know a single person without one. Next you are going to tell me they all have iPods.
well according to Jim ("go back and read ALL MY POSTS") there isn't a connector that lets you go from iPod to TV, ergo its LESS convenient than a DVD player that just EEEEVERYONE has.
You not only misquoted me but you didn't read any of the links I supplied that showed connectors that apple has!
Also they seemed to indicate that the output isn't HD quality.
Read before you post.
Here's the link again since you're too lazy to scoll up a few posts on this very same page.
You know 7 people who do not own a DVD player? Do you live in an old age home?? I do not know a single person without one. Next you are going to tell me they all have iPods.
Really! Most people I know have more than one DVD player.
You know 7 people who do not own a DVD player? Do you live in an old age home?? I do not know a single person without one. Next you are going to tell me they all have iPods.
I personally know at least 7 people that do not own a DVD player.
Jim seems to think that there is NO VIABLE alternative to physical media, I think he is wrong.
the iPod is one viable alternative to physical media, that answers Jims apparently unanswerable.
Are you really trying to tell us that more people own iPods than DVD players? Please say yes because it'll conclusively prove how wrong you are.
What I've actually been saying is that downloadable media currently isn't enough of an alternative to make physical media obsolete. That probably won't completely change for about 10 years. Why can't you get it right? Maybe because you don't want to?
And this means what? DVD players are pretty cheap now days. Hint : they come with most computers.
I can understand if you don't have access to a tv an iPod might be a inexpensive alternative. However this situation doesn't describe most people. Most have a TV of some sort. So let's see iPod that plays video for $149.00 vs DVD player at Best Buy starting at $26.34!
jimmac, while we obviously disagree on many points on this subject, but I'll definitely side with you on this one. DVD players are not only common, but damn cheap and nearly ubiquitous.
The one exception I can think of is children or college students. In their bedroom or dorm room it wouldn't be too uncommon to have a computer but not a dedicated TV. That is part of the reason why torrenting is big with this demographic. The other being lack of money from not having a good paying job yet.
I'm not entirely sure where walter is headed with this angle. But if I had to hazzard a guess it would be that as this demographic comes of age and is able to afford more, they will be less physical media oriented than are current consumers.
jimmac, while we obviously disagree on many points on this subject, but I'll definitely side with you on this one. DVD players are not only common, but damn cheap and nearly ubiquitous.
The one exception I can think of is children or college students. In their bedroom or dorm room it wouldn't be too uncommon to have a computer but not a dedicated TV. That is part of the reason why torrenting is big with this demographic. The other being lack of money from not having a good paying job yet.
I'm not entirely sure where walter is headed with this angle. But if I had to hazzard a guess it would be that as this demographic comes of age and is able to afford more, they will be less physical media oriented than are current consumers.
Exactly! That's why I said :
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I can understand if you don't have access to a tv an iPod might be a inexpensive alternative.
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But if I had to hazzard a guess it would be that as this demographic comes of age and is able to afford more, they will be less physical media oriented than are current consumers
And that will be a few years before that happens won't it? And as I've said it's not the only roadblock. That's why I give it about 10 years give or take a few years before this all gets sorted out and we can do away with physical media completely. I don't think that's unreasonable.
Hey I'll probably still be here and if that's the primary way that people purchase HD video you can be sure I'll be doing it.
Hmm, wow. No Blu-ray offerings in any of the new computers released today. I was totally hoping for even an optional drive on the Mac Pro, but no dice. I'm seriously questioning this move by Apple...at this rate, we might see a Blu-ray enabled device from Apple in 2010? That kinda sucks. Ah well...the wait becomes longer.
Yep, even though I'm not enamored with blu-ray, I would have been in the market for a blu-ray equiped mini for use as a HTPC. With that said though, I'm not of the opinion that Apple made the wrong decision. Blu-ray is still too expensive for most people to justify a drive in their computer, let alone collecting the expensive media. While I watch blu-ray routinely via netflix, I'm not yet convinced it will ever succeed in a manner similar to CDRs, VHS or DVD.
Yep, even though I'm not enamored with blu-ray, I would have been in the market for a blu-ray equiped mini for use as a HTPC. With that said though, I'm not of the opinion that Apple made the wrong decision. Blu-ray is still too expensive for most people to justify a drive in their computer, let alone collecting the expensive media. While I watch blu-ray routinely via netflix, I'm not yet convinced it will ever succeed in a manner similar to CDRs, VHS or DVD.
Ahh. I think this is more than a fair assesment. You bring up a very good point in mass adoption from the computer side of things--which is the price of media (for authoring/burning purposes) definitely needs to be driven down. Perhaps that is one of many reasons Apple has not jumped into the Blu-ray game.
I'm hoping that with the simplified licensing structure that Sony, Panasonic, and Philips have come up with will help Apple view Blu-ray as a "bag of hurt."
Despite an economic recession, consumers in the United States, Western Europe and Japan are on track to buy more than 100 million Blu-ray Discs this year, according to new research from UK-based Futuresource Consulting.
According to the research firm, in the United States last year, 24 million BD discs were sold by video retailers, an increase of 320 percent from the prior year. That explosive growth will carry forward this year with forecasted BD sales reaching more than 80 million discs.
In the United States, Blu-ray players and entertainment are emerging from the early adopter stage of consumer activity and entering a more mainstream phase, according to Futuresource Consulting.
Ironically, as the economy declines, consumers will seek out more affordable alternatives to vacations and out-of-home entertainment, said Futuresource Consulting spokesperson Andy Watson. ?The whole idea of a ?staycation? where consumers stay home and surround themselves with consumer electronics and entertainment will contribute to BD growth,? he said.
In Europe, Blu-ray Disc uptake is still in the early adopter phase with consumer video retail sales expected to reach 9 million units this year. In the UK, BD sales are their highest in Western Europe with sales of 3.5 million last year, more than 40 percent of all Blu-ray Disc sales for the region.
Although the uptake of BD in Western Europe is still at the early adopter stage, it continues to gather momentum. Consumer video retail sales reached 9 million units last year and further healthy growth is expected in 2009.
By 2012, Futuresource Consulting projects 50 percent of all video disc retail sales in the United States will be BD, and in Western Europe that figure will reach 35 percent. A factor likely to propel future BD sales will be increased home consumption of 3-D entertainment, which lends itself well to BD distribution, the firm noted.
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Regardless, it takes less time to download today than it did a year ago. My old 6mbps DSL really seems slow now compared to comcast 15mbps connection. I get about 1.5 mb/s download speed. I'm not scare of downloading 10+ GB files any more.
Let us know when you make up your mind because right now it looks like you're just making up numbers to support your position.
Currently 32 files up to and over 8 gig. All of which are also well over 7gig. Over and above 8gig would have been a more linguistically unambiguous use of phraseology. Thanks for caring.
There are and have been solutions for the Mac that allow you to burn Blue-Ray discs.
As the article notes, it comes with Toast which has supported Blue-Ray for quite a while now.
The comments underneith reflect the discussion that is going on here though which is why would someone buy the burner for $500 when they could add four terabytes of external, easily movable storage for the same cost and don't have to deal with media.
wombling, I'm not sure where you are coming from.
There are and have been solutions for the Mac that allow you to burn Blue-Ray discs.
As the article notes, it comes with Toast which has supported Blue-Ray for quite a while now.
The comments underneith reflect the discussion that is going on here though which is why would someone buy the burner for $500 when they could add four terabytes of external, easily movable storage for the same cost and don't have to deal with media.
Well right now only the newest tvs have USB ports. So it a question of portability. Also one has to ask is what you're talking about legal? Of course if you were burning BDs from say a torrent or any kind of download of a studio made film would that be legal? I don't think so.
If people are going to do it then they'll do it. Just making a point.
Thanks for caring.
No problem. If we didn't demand the utmost attention to detail and nit-pick when that demands not met, we wouldn't be Apple nerds.
So what about using an iPod to tote around your files? It works as a self-powered USB drive as well.
So what about using an iPod to tote around your files? It works as a self-powered USB drive as well.
well according to Jim ("go back and read ALL MY POSTS") there isn't a connector that lets you go from iPod to TV, ergo its LESS convenient than a DVD player that just EEEEVERYONE has.
well according to Jim ("go back and read ALL MY POSTS") there isn't a connector that lets you go from iPod to TV, ergo its LESS convenient than a DVD player that just EEEEVERYONE has.
Are you suggesting that not everyone has a dvd player? And also suggesting that more people have an iPod to carry videos around on? I guarantee the masses would adopt a Blu-Ray player at ~100 to ~150 over buying an iPod to store their movies.
Are you suggesting that not everyone has a dvd player? And also suggesting that more people have an iPod to carry videos around on? I guarantee the masses would adopt a Blu-Ray player at ~100 to ~150 over buying an iPod to store their movies.
sigh
I personally know at least 7 people that do not own a DVD player.
Jim seems to think that there is NO VIABLE alternative to physical media, I think he is wrong.
the iPod is one viable alternative to physical media, that answers Jims apparently unanswerable.
sigh
I personally know at least 7 people that do not own a DVD player.
Jim seems to think that there is NO VIABLE alternative to physical media, I think he is wrong.
the iPod is one viable alternative to physical media, that answers Jims apparently unanswerable.
You know 7 people who do not own a DVD player? Do you live in an old age home?? I do not know a single person without one. Next you are going to tell me they all have iPods.
well according to Jim ("go back and read ALL MY POSTS") there isn't a connector that lets you go from iPod to TV, ergo its LESS convenient than a DVD player that just EEEEVERYONE has.
You not only misquoted me but you didn't read any of the links I supplied that showed connectors that apple has!
Also they seemed to indicate that the output isn't HD quality.
Read before you post.
Here's the link again since you're too lazy to scoll up a few posts on this very same page.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1454
Maybe just you should reread all my posts since you don't seem to pick it up with one pass.
You know 7 people who do not own a DVD player? Do you live in an old age home?? I do not know a single person without one. Next you are going to tell me they all have iPods.
Really! Most people I know have more than one DVD player.
You know 7 people who do not own a DVD player? Do you live in an old age home?? I do not know a single person without one. Next you are going to tell me they all have iPods.
the world does not begin and end with the wealthy
sigh
I personally know at least 7 people that do not own a DVD player.
Jim seems to think that there is NO VIABLE alternative to physical media, I think he is wrong.
the iPod is one viable alternative to physical media, that answers Jims apparently unanswerable.
Are you really trying to tell us that more people own iPods than DVD players? Please say yes because it'll conclusively prove how wrong you are.
What I've actually been saying is that downloadable media currently isn't enough of an alternative to make physical media obsolete. That probably won't completely change for about 10 years. Why can't you get it right? Maybe because you don't want to?
the world does not begin and end with the wealthy
And this means what? DVD players are pretty cheap now days. Hint : they come with most computers.
I can understand if you don't have access to a tv an iPod might be a inexpensive alternative. However this situation doesn't describe most people. Most have a TV of some sort. So let's see iPod that plays video for $149.00 vs DVD player at Best Buy starting at $26.34!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....getype=listing
The one exception I can think of is children or college students. In their bedroom or dorm room it wouldn't be too uncommon to have a computer but not a dedicated TV. That is part of the reason why torrenting is big with this demographic. The other being lack of money from not having a good paying job yet.
I'm not entirely sure where walter is headed with this angle. But if I had to hazzard a guess it would be that as this demographic comes of age and is able to afford more, they will be less physical media oriented than are current consumers.
jimmac, while we obviously disagree on many points on this subject, but I'll definitely side with you on this one. DVD players are not only common, but damn cheap and nearly ubiquitous.
The one exception I can think of is children or college students. In their bedroom or dorm room it wouldn't be too uncommon to have a computer but not a dedicated TV. That is part of the reason why torrenting is big with this demographic. The other being lack of money from not having a good paying job yet.
I'm not entirely sure where walter is headed with this angle. But if I had to hazzard a guess it would be that as this demographic comes of age and is able to afford more, they will be less physical media oriented than are current consumers.
Exactly! That's why I said :
I can understand if you don't have access to a tv an iPod might be a inexpensive alternative.
But if I had to hazzard a guess it would be that as this demographic comes of age and is able to afford more, they will be less physical media oriented than are current consumers
And that will be a few years before that happens won't it? And as I've said it's not the only roadblock. That's why I give it about 10 years give or take a few years before this all gets sorted out and we can do away with physical media completely. I don't think that's unreasonable.
Hey I'll probably still be here and if that's the primary way that people purchase HD video you can be sure I'll be doing it.
Yep, even though I'm not enamored with blu-ray, I would have been in the market for a blu-ray equiped mini for use as a HTPC. With that said though, I'm not of the opinion that Apple made the wrong decision. Blu-ray is still too expensive for most people to justify a drive in their computer, let alone collecting the expensive media. While I watch blu-ray routinely via netflix, I'm not yet convinced it will ever succeed in a manner similar to CDRs, VHS or DVD.
Ahh. I think this is more than a fair assesment. You bring up a very good point in mass adoption from the computer side of things--which is the price of media (for authoring/burning purposes) definitely needs to be driven down. Perhaps that is one of many reasons Apple has not jumped into the Blu-ray game.
I'm hoping that with the simplified licensing structure that Sony, Panasonic, and Philips have come up with will help Apple view Blu-ray as a "bag of hurt."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10172042-1.html
Another question I have as well is whether Snow Leopard will be readied with native Blu-ray software? I guess we'll find out in the coming months.
http://broadcastengineering.com/news...-economy-0303/
Despite an economic recession, consumers in the United States, Western Europe and Japan are on track to buy more than 100 million Blu-ray Discs this year, according to new research from UK-based Futuresource Consulting.
According to the research firm, in the United States last year, 24 million BD discs were sold by video retailers, an increase of 320 percent from the prior year. That explosive growth will carry forward this year with forecasted BD sales reaching more than 80 million discs.
In the United States, Blu-ray players and entertainment are emerging from the early adopter stage of consumer activity and entering a more mainstream phase, according to Futuresource Consulting.
Ironically, as the economy declines, consumers will seek out more affordable alternatives to vacations and out-of-home entertainment, said Futuresource Consulting spokesperson Andy Watson. ?The whole idea of a ?staycation? where consumers stay home and surround themselves with consumer electronics and entertainment will contribute to BD growth,? he said.
In Europe, Blu-ray Disc uptake is still in the early adopter phase with consumer video retail sales expected to reach 9 million units this year. In the UK, BD sales are their highest in Western Europe with sales of 3.5 million last year, more than 40 percent of all Blu-ray Disc sales for the region.
Although the uptake of BD in Western Europe is still at the early adopter stage, it continues to gather momentum. Consumer video retail sales reached 9 million units last year and further healthy growth is expected in 2009.
By 2012, Futuresource Consulting projects 50 percent of all video disc retail sales in the United States will be BD, and in Western Europe that figure will reach 35 percent. A factor likely to propel future BD sales will be increased home consumption of 3-D entertainment, which lends itself well to BD distribution, the firm noted.