I thought Microsoft was only allowed to make things non backwards compatible? LOL
Apple is following in the footsteps.... haha
OSX anyone? Not that compatible with os9. And "classic" was a farce... so few applications worked when they were needed.
and for the record, Microsoft has compatibility options that work well back to programs from 98. Of course, that makes for a BLOATED OS that has a lot of problems... but that isn't the point. your statement is incredibly off-base.
Same thing with expresscard 34 port! I bought a Lacie expresscard 34 with 2 firewire 800 and i can't connect it! Apple support does not have an answer for this! But if you search the internet you'll see that are other consumers with this problem! This only happens with the late 2008 Macbooks...
OSX anyone? Not that compatible with os9. And "classic" was a farce... so few applications worked when they were needed.
and for the record, Microsoft has compatibility options that work well back to programs from 98. Of course, that makes for a BLOATED OS that has a lot of problems... but that isn't the point. your statement is incredibly off-base.
RIIIIIIGHT...the MS compatibility back to 98 works sooooo well.
OSX anyone? Not that compatible with os9. And "classic" was a farce... so few applications worked when they were needed.
and for the record, Microsoft has compatibility options that work well back to programs from 98. Of course, that makes for a BLOATED OS that has a lot of problems... but that isn't the point. your statement is incredibly off-base.
You just contradicted yourself. does it work well, or have a lot of problems?
OSX anyone? Not that compatible with os9. And "classic" was a farce... so few applications worked when they were needed.
and for the record, Microsoft has compatibility options that work well back to programs from 98. Of course, that makes for a BLOATED OS that has a lot of problems... but that isn't the point. your statement is incredibly off-base.
Sorry... correct me if wrong... here we go...
New LED display only works with new MacBook lineup. Yes or No?
First gen iPhone only allowed Apple earpiece. Yes or No?
iLife '09 - GarageBand works with PowerPC? Yes or No?
FW400 taken out of the new MacBook lineup. If you had a FW400 Storage device you would be screwed? Yes or No?
The list goes on. If you answered Yes to 3 or more, than you are correct. You are screwing your customers.
What is it with Apple monkeying around with mini jack connections? First the recessed iPhone jack... then the 6th gen iPod Classic messed up 3rd party video cables... now the MacBook (and perhaps the MacBook Pro too)?
While I cringe looking at the usual design of PC laptops and the unnecessary gaggle of connectivity options... It's getting to be ridiculous the number of extra cables and connector the average Apple laptop - sorry, I meant "notebook" needs.
For a company that does so many ingenious things they sure get tripped up by a lot of no brainer stuff like basic mini jack design which has been around for decades.
I believe you are forgetting the original iPhone or you didn't own one. In order to use any headphones (other than those that shipped with the iPhone) you had to buy an adapter.
They got so much shit over it they changed it to a standard headphone plug in for the 3G model.
Actually, the original iPhone jack did adhere to the spec. The problem was that the spec does not cover the plastic bit, just the plug itself.
It would probably be fairer in that case to describe the plugs with the giant plastic housing that would not fit into the iPhone as "non-standard" than it would be to describe Apple's plugs as such even though as I said, I don't think the spec covers the housing.
I agree that such slight variations from the spec are pretty common though and Apple could be faulted for not making allowances for that.
Call me retarded for defending this one but isn't this exactly what USB audio interfaces are for? The use of non proprietary audio equipment like headphones, monitors, etc? Just sayin.
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Originally Posted by Boogerman2000
Exactly. Said in Jest perhaps? Jesus, you guys take yourselves way too seriously sometimes.
Sometimes it's hard to tell. As many sarcastic jokers as there are, there are also equally nutty people that actually believe the the preposterous things they say. It's not necessarily so easy to write a good sarcastic joke.
This is just a lack of proper product testing. I am sick of using adaptor after adapter (they keep breaking) for my phone, I'd really be upset if I needed a second one for my laptop. Take this as a tiny part of the lesson we all probably know by now:
DON'T BUY 1st GEN HARDWARE!!!
I'm wainting until they refresh the bastards with SLI and a matte screen. Until then, no wasting money on you Mr. Apple.
This is just a lack of proper product testing. I am sick of using adaptor after adapter (they keep breaking) for my phone, I'd really be upset if I needed a second one for my laptop. Take this as a tiny part of the lesson we all probably know by now:
DON'T BUY 1st GEN HARDWARE!!!
I'm wainting until they refresh the bastards with SLI and a matte screen. Until then, no wasting money on you Mr. Apple.
I don't think it's a lack of testing. They work fine with the proper connectors.
As far as them breaking, well, all of these small plugs break. That's not an Apple exclusive.
The real question here, is whether they could do this in a more standard way, without having to use more than one port for it.
I have a Late '08 MBP and have used it with a number of headphones... from logitech to sennheiser with absolutely no problems at all. I wonder if this is brand specific problem or if there are other issues. Seriously ALL of my headphones snap in really nice... tight... no wiggle room... just a solid and tight connection.
I believe you are forgetting the original iPhone or you didn't own one. In order to use any headphones (other than those that shipped with the iPhone) you had to buy an adapter.
They got so much shit over it they changed it to a standard headphone plug in for the 3G model.
The original iPhone never had a non-standard jack, it was just too far recessed into the case that some plugs didn't fit all the way in. Yes, it was a stupid design.
If the socket as designed captures some plugs but not others it kind of implies that the plugs are at fault, not the socket.
I don't see how that follows at all. The 1/8" audio jack has been a standard for over three decades. It stands to reason there would be a plethora of peripherals out there using it and it's incumbent on any manufacturer to ensure their jack works with those existing devices. It's a case of lighting a candle vs. cursing the darkness. I fear Apple has chosen the latter instead of the former, leaving its customers in limbo.
People are so critical. Maybe if you didnt just BUY the new Macbook even though you had last generations because its not as cool now you wouldnt be complaining right now. and Well it works with NEW headphones with a mic. So i dont understand why you would return your computer 8 times over a stupid headphone jacks. Use this opportunity to upgrade your headphones for your laptop and call it a day. Apple isnt made for backwards compatibility its made for whats happening now and will be happening tomorrow.
I read someones complaint list and:
Personaly I like the glossy screen. I Probably look in mirrors just as much as I do computer screens so a little mix of the both is nice.
I dont want firewire because Im not gonna be using it anyways and it just add an extra port to sit there and do nothing
I have the new headphones, which by the way stay in it fine.
So really i aint got nothing to bitch about. and I dont even use one 3rd party accessory so AH!
The original iPhone never had a non-standard jack, it was just too far recessed into the case that some plugs didn't fit all the way in. Yes, it was a stupid design.
To me, this seems like fertile ground for cognitive dissonance.
I don't understand why it's not a non-standard jack when most standard plugs don't fit into it without an adapter and added risk of damage that an unnecessary adapter entails.
I can't manipulate the same problem as the guy he got in the youtube video with my usual headphones(not Apple's in-year headphones) as well as external speakers, I feel sorry for them though.
Use this opportunity to upgrade your headphones for your laptop and call it a day. Apple isnt made for backwards compatibility its made for whats happening now and will be happening tomorrow.
... (snip)
I have the new headphones, which by the way stay in it fine.
So really i aint got nothing to bitch about. and I dont even use one 3rd party accessory so AH!
Are you joking? That's good for you if the first party equipment is all you want. I can't even use the frakking earbuds, I wonder if my headphones would even work.
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I thought Microsoft was only allowed to make things non backwards compatible? LOL
Apple is following in the footsteps.... haha
OSX anyone? Not that compatible with os9. And "classic" was a farce... so few applications worked when they were needed.
and for the record, Microsoft has compatibility options that work well back to programs from 98. Of course, that makes for a BLOATED OS that has a lot of problems... but that isn't the point. your statement is incredibly off-base.
OSX anyone? Not that compatible with os9. And "classic" was a farce... so few applications worked when they were needed.
and for the record, Microsoft has compatibility options that work well back to programs from 98. Of course, that makes for a BLOATED OS that has a lot of problems... but that isn't the point. your statement is incredibly off-base.
RIIIIIIGHT...the MS compatibility back to 98 works sooooo well.
OSX anyone? Not that compatible with os9. And "classic" was a farce... so few applications worked when they were needed.
and for the record, Microsoft has compatibility options that work well back to programs from 98. Of course, that makes for a BLOATED OS that has a lot of problems... but that isn't the point. your statement is incredibly off-base.
You just contradicted yourself. does it work well, or have a lot of problems?
OSX anyone? Not that compatible with os9. And "classic" was a farce... so few applications worked when they were needed.
and for the record, Microsoft has compatibility options that work well back to programs from 98. Of course, that makes for a BLOATED OS that has a lot of problems... but that isn't the point. your statement is incredibly off-base.
Sorry... correct me if wrong... here we go...
New LED display only works with new MacBook lineup. Yes or No?
First gen iPhone only allowed Apple earpiece. Yes or No?
iLife '09 - GarageBand works with PowerPC? Yes or No?
FW400 taken out of the new MacBook lineup. If you had a FW400 Storage device you would be screwed? Yes or No?
The list goes on. If you answered Yes to 3 or more, than you are correct. You are screwing your customers.
Sorry... correct me if wrong... here we go...
New LED display only works with new MacBook lineup. Yes or No?
First gen iPhone only allowed Apple earpiece. Yes or No?
iLife '09 - GarageBand works with PowerPC? Yes or No?
FW400 taken out of the new MacBook lineup. If you had a FW400 Storage device you would be screwed? Yes or No?
The list goes on. If you answered Yes to 3 or more, than you are correct. You are screwing your customers.
And lets not bring up third party adapters eh... Who needs the extra cost on top of the cost of Apple products....
While I cringe looking at the usual design of PC laptops and the unnecessary gaggle of connectivity options... It's getting to be ridiculous the number of extra cables and connector the average Apple laptop - sorry, I meant "notebook" needs.
For a company that does so many ingenious things they sure get tripped up by a lot of no brainer stuff like basic mini jack design which has been around for decades.
I believe you are forgetting the original iPhone or you didn't own one. In order to use any headphones (other than those that shipped with the iPhone) you had to buy an adapter.
They got so much shit over it they changed it to a standard headphone plug in for the 3G model.
Actually, the original iPhone jack did adhere to the spec. The problem was that the spec does not cover the plastic bit, just the plug itself.
It would probably be fairer in that case to describe the plugs with the giant plastic housing that would not fit into the iPhone as "non-standard" than it would be to describe Apple's plugs as such even though as I said, I don't think the spec covers the housing.
I agree that such slight variations from the spec are pretty common though and Apple could be faulted for not making allowances for that.
Call me retarded for defending this one but isn't this exactly what USB audio interfaces are for? The use of non proprietary audio equipment like headphones, monitors, etc? Just sayin.
Exactly. Said in Jest perhaps? Jesus, you guys take yourselves way too seriously sometimes.
Sometimes it's hard to tell. As many sarcastic jokers as there are, there are also equally nutty people that actually believe the the preposterous things they say. It's not necessarily so easy to write a good sarcastic joke.
Sorry... correct me if wrong... here we go...
New LED display only works with new MacBook lineup. Yes or No?
Yes (as designed)
First gen iPhone only allowed Apple earpiece. Yes or No?
No (it just didn't fit for *some* jacks)
iLife '09 - GarageBand works with PowerPC? Yes or No?
Yes (with minor exception)
FW400 taken out of the new MacBook lineup.
No (only removed from entry level model)
The list goes on. If you answered Yes to 3 or more, than you are correct. You are screwing your customers.
Your score:
1 out of 4 correct.
PS - You can't use "the list goes on" unless you actually have more points, which you don't.
PPS - Your implied answer to point 2 is actually No, so your summation statement is wrong also.
DON'T BUY 1st GEN HARDWARE!!!
I'm wainting until they refresh the bastards with SLI and a matte screen. Until then, no wasting money on you Mr. Apple.
This is just a lack of proper product testing. I am sick of using adaptor after adapter (they keep breaking) for my phone, I'd really be upset if I needed a second one for my laptop. Take this as a tiny part of the lesson we all probably know by now:
DON'T BUY 1st GEN HARDWARE!!!
I'm wainting until they refresh the bastards with SLI and a matte screen. Until then, no wasting money on you Mr. Apple.
I don't think it's a lack of testing. They work fine with the proper connectors.
As far as them breaking, well, all of these small plugs break. That's not an Apple exclusive.
The real question here, is whether they could do this in a more standard way, without having to use more than one port for it.
I believe you are forgetting the original iPhone or you didn't own one. In order to use any headphones (other than those that shipped with the iPhone) you had to buy an adapter.
They got so much shit over it they changed it to a standard headphone plug in for the 3G model.
The original iPhone never had a non-standard jack, it was just too far recessed into the case that some plugs didn't fit all the way in. Yes, it was a stupid design.
If the socket as designed captures some plugs but not others it kind of implies that the plugs are at fault, not the socket.
I don't see how that follows at all. The 1/8" audio jack has been a standard for over three decades. It stands to reason there would be a plethora of peripherals out there using it and it's incumbent on any manufacturer to ensure their jack works with those existing devices. It's a case of lighting a candle vs. cursing the darkness. I fear Apple has chosen the latter instead of the former, leaving its customers in limbo.
I read someones complaint list and:
Personaly I like the glossy screen. I Probably look in mirrors just as much as I do computer screens so a little mix of the both is nice.
I dont want firewire because Im not gonna be using it anyways and it just add an extra port to sit there and do nothing
I have the new headphones, which by the way stay in it fine.
So really i aint got nothing to bitch about. and I dont even use one 3rd party accessory so AH!
The original iPhone never had a non-standard jack, it was just too far recessed into the case that some plugs didn't fit all the way in. Yes, it was a stupid design.
To me, this seems like fertile ground for cognitive dissonance.
I don't understand why it's not a non-standard jack when most standard plugs don't fit into it without an adapter and added risk of damage that an unnecessary adapter entails.
Use this opportunity to upgrade your headphones for your laptop and call it a day. Apple isnt made for backwards compatibility its made for whats happening now and will be happening tomorrow.
... (snip)
I have the new headphones, which by the way stay in it fine.
So really i aint got nothing to bitch about. and I dont even use one 3rd party accessory so AH!
Are you joking? That's good for you if the first party equipment is all you want. I can't even use the frakking earbuds, I wonder if my headphones would even work.
I just thought it was my 1/8 to RCA adapter......As a DJ this is important to me.
But not enought to cry about it.....
ROCK ON.