How the heck does this thing connect to a computer? It is narrower than Apple's standard iPod connector? Have they finally moved to a standard USB connector?
Oh, and I am another that will not be upgrading until a pass-through is available. I connect my iPod to my car stereo's, AUX port through a 3.5 jack. With this new control scheme there is no way for me to do this. No matter how great the earbuds are they cannot connect to a 3.5 jack in my car.
That's incorrect. My first generation iPhone which used they same 3 ring headphone adapter could connect to my AUX port in my car with the help of a dynex adapter for $10. So I bet that same adapter would work here.
I don't understand all the negative nellies bitching about the fact that you can't use non-Apple headphones with the new shuffle.
In the first case you probably can, it just won't have any volume and track controls as those are patented by Apple. Secondly, any headphones you can get that aren't Apple headphones, especially those that are of the same quality or higher, are going to cost you double the cost of the player itself.
What the heck are you buying the cheapest, lowest capacity player on the market for if you are some kind of audiophile that is too good to wear standard earbuds? Are you serious? And why should Apple twist themselves double trying to make such a tiny tiny fragment of an already tiny market segment happy?
Who cares? Apple Design is all about reducing everything to its most basic form. Soon the iPod Shuffle will be nothing but a transparent cube the size of a tooth. Boom!
Apple should just get full telepathy direct from Cupertino all over the world working already. That way they don't actually have to make *any* hardware. Just focus on the virtual voice, touch, sound, software, etc.... AppleInsiders will still whine..." What? You mean the're only offering 200 terabit/sec songs on iTunes PsyStore through Psyport (get it? Psychic+Airport)? Apple sucks I'm buying a PsyZune! I wanted 50,000 terabits/sec dammit! The audio quality is lousy! And it makes my ears sweat.
BTW no iTunes 8.1 download yet. Will 8.1 make my iTunes snappier?
Really guys your either blind or idiots for not mentioning that the gal doing the tour is a real babe. Plus she was pluked out of an Apple store someplace, as such she should be complemented on the excellent effort.
As to the new shuffle negatives first:
1.
The specs say the max operating temperature is 95 degs F. That is pretty low and worst the storage temperature isn't much higher. Seems a bit odd and I have to wonder if the battery is a factor.
2.
I really wish they would implement a standard USB port. I have to say though that it ought to be cheap to make the current cord on the after market.
As to the positives I'm impressed so:
1.
4GB is nice.
2.
The enhanced controls are really nice. In fact this feature is likely to make the shuffle a hot seller. I'm not worried about the controls being on the cord, if Apple is smart they will make this feature easy to adopt by the secondary market.
3.
The size is impressive. Apple has really mastered this activity specific device. That is a device focused on music and more so on active people. It is an ideal companion for the gym or track or canoe or bike or you get the idea.
I hope Apple has built these in large numbers as they will likely sell well. Yes even at the rape us in the ass prices. It is really nice of Apple to produce a cheaper unit and then raise the price.
Yeah I know "it has double the capacity", you can try that excuse but I'm not buying it. Everything about this device tells me it is cheaper than the previous model to produce. On the otherhand we are starting to see why Apple has locked up so much flash production for the next couple of months. We should be expecting more announcements.
That's incorrect. My first generation iPhone which used they same 3 ring headphone adapter could connect to my AUX port in my car with the help of a dynex adapter for $10. So I bet that same adapter would work here.
Umm... the poster meant, even if you had a headphone out to aux in cable that fit perfectly, there's no controls on the iPod Shuffle so how would you choose songs, etc?
I don't understand all the negative nellies bitching about the fact that you can't use non-Apple headphones with the new shuffle....In the first case you probably can, it just won't have any volume and track controls as those are patented by Apple....
Um the 3rd party headphone manufacturers have to make new headphones because right now if you plug in a 3rd party headphone into it how the heck would you select the track? There's no buttons on the Shuffle...!
I really don't get why on a Macintosh the Voice Over speech ain't so bad, but the Windows version is DIFFERENT??, and a tad more electronic.
I would think the technology would be embedded in the shuffle itself unless apple is using the computer to generate the audio for each song when it syncs???!?!
I really don't get why on a Macintosh the Voice Over speech ain't so bad, but the Windows version is DIFFERENT??, and a tad more electronic.
I would think the technology would be embedded in the shuffle itself unless apple is using the computer to generate the audio for each song when it syncs???!?!
It uses the computer's built in text-to-speech function (like the Nano uses)
PCs have a female, Mac has a male (I guess)
It simply converts the text into tiny audio files, and attaches them to each song like a tag. It actually even uses up a small bit of your capacity, too, but I'm sure they took that into consideration...
On the Nano, its optional. IDK if its option on the shuffle, too, but it seems important with the ability to have multiple playlists
I really don't get why on a Macintosh the Voice Over speech ain't so bad, but the Windows version is DIFFERENT??, and a tad more electronic.
I would think the technology would be embedded in the shuffle itself unless apple is using the computer to generate the audio for each song when it syncs???!?!
Yeah. Good point. You smart person, you. It depends on the computer to generate the voice synth. Makes sense because I was wondering how would you shove all that voice synth tech into that tiny Shuffle. The voice library for all languages, etc will reside in iTunes 8.1 not the Shuffle.
I don't understand all the negative nellies bitching about the fact that you can't use non-Apple headphones with the new shuffle.
In the first case you probably can, it just won't have any volume and track controls as those are patented by Apple. Secondly, any headphones you can get that aren't Apple headphones, especially those that are of the same quality or higher, are going to cost you double the cost of the player itself.
What the heck are you buying the cheapest, lowest capacity player on the market for if you are some kind of audiophile that is too good to wear standard earbuds? Are you serious? And why should Apple twist themselves double trying to make such a tiny tiny fragment of an already tiny market segment happy?
Agreed. So much bitching... about an iPod Shuffle??
I mean seriously, you guys are never happy.
The whole point of the shuffle is to have it as small and unobtrusive as possible. So be it that Apple has moved the controls to the earbuds. I'm sure 3rd parties will catch on soon.
If someone had shown you this tech even just 5 years ago, you'd have been "BS that small thing can store and play 1000+ songs!" rather then worrying about if it supports your precious high-end earbuds or not.
That griffin adapter is only $10, and if it works with the iPhone (2G) I'm sure it'll fit fine with the new shuffle
Um why are you people not getting it? Even if you use this griffin adapter, with the 3rd party headphone, how do you choose a song? There are NO controls on the Shuffle itself.
How the heck does this thing connect to a computer? It is narrower than Apple's standard iPod connector? Have they finally moved to a standard USB connector?
Since the 2G Shuffle arrived Apple has been using the 3.5mm headphone jack to not only play your audio, but to sync and charge the device.
Agreed. So much bitching... about an iPod Shuffle??
I mean seriously, you guys are never happy.
The whole point of the shuffle is to have it as small and unobtrusive as possible. So be it that Apple has moved the controls to the earbuds. I'm sure 3rd parties will catch on soon.
If someone had shown you this tech even just 5 years ago, you'd have been "BS that small thing can store and play 1000+ songs!" rather then worrying about if it supports your precious high-end earbuds or not.
Yeah, 1000+ songs is passe. If that thing had a 100 720p HD movies then we'd be impressed! (or not... "it's only 1TB, pffft")
Um why are you people not getting it? Even if you use this griffin adapter, with the 3rd party headphone, how do you choose a song? There are NO controls on the Shuffle itself.
Um, because the adapter has playback controls, just not a volume controls
works the same way as the remote headphones (w/o VC)
have you ever used the remote headphones? or the iPhone headphones? Do you need a large play/pause button? I'd like to keep my device in my pocket so people don't know that I'm carrying a $600 iPhone
That griffin adapter is only $10, and if it works with the iPhone (2G) I'm sure it'll fit fine with the new shuffle
You miss the point. These adapters have no volume controls. Only a single button that I suppose might work as a play/pause button, but what good is that without the ability to skip tracks and change the volume?
Um, because the adapter has playback controls, not just a volume controls
works the same way as the remote headphones
have you ever used the remote headphones? or the iPhone headphones? Do you need a large play/pause button? I'd like to keep my device in my pocket so people don't know that I'm carrying a $600 iPhone
Maybe you're looking at a different Griffin adapter than I am. The one I see has one button, for iPhone talk/end.
Comments
Looks bland. Kinda like chewing gum for robots. Intriguing and strangely desirable, nonetheless. Seems too "plain" for Steve to have 100% approved it.
Strangely desirable, exactly.
I like that there's a Black one now - I'm more of a black and silver kind of guy
The clip is 1000000xs better IMO
and the simple design fits well with the other iPods, I think - Like a scaled down nano.
I only wish there was a apple logo on the front (maybe a metal one like the iPhone)
That would have been sexier.
edit: Damn you ninja'd me
...I only wish there was a apple logo on the front (maybe a metal one like the iPhone)
That would have been sexier.
Hey I just posted that! Great minds think alike.
How the heck does this thing connect to a computer? It is narrower than Apple's standard iPod connector? Have they finally moved to a standard USB connector?
Oh, and I am another that will not be upgrading until a pass-through is available. I connect my iPod to my car stereo's, AUX port through a 3.5 jack. With this new control scheme there is no way for me to do this. No matter how great the earbuds are they cannot connect to a 3.5 jack in my car.
That's incorrect. My first generation iPhone which used they same 3 ring headphone adapter could connect to my AUX port in my car with the help of a dynex adapter for $10. So I bet that same adapter would work here.
In the first case you probably can, it just won't have any volume and track controls as those are patented by Apple. Secondly, any headphones you can get that aren't Apple headphones, especially those that are of the same quality or higher, are going to cost you double the cost of the player itself.
What the heck are you buying the cheapest, lowest capacity player on the market for if you are some kind of audiophile that is too good to wear standard earbuds? Are you serious? And why should Apple twist themselves double trying to make such a tiny tiny fragment of an already tiny market segment happy?
Who cares? Apple Design is all about reducing everything to its most basic form. Soon the iPod Shuffle will be nothing but a transparent cube the size of a tooth. Boom!
Apple should just get full telepathy direct from Cupertino all over the world working already. That way they don't actually have to make *any* hardware. Just focus on the virtual voice, touch, sound, software, etc.... AppleInsiders will still whine..." What? You mean the're only offering 200 terabit/sec songs on iTunes PsyStore through Psyport (get it? Psychic+Airport)? Apple sucks I'm buying a PsyZune! I wanted 50,000 terabits/sec dammit! The audio quality is lousy! And it makes my ears sweat.
BTW no iTunes 8.1 download yet. Will 8.1 make my iTunes snappier?
Yes ,but it will make your ATV stall.
As to the new shuffle negatives first:
1.
The specs say the max operating temperature is 95 degs F. That is pretty low and worst the storage temperature isn't much higher. Seems a bit odd and I have to wonder if the battery is a factor.
2.
I really wish they would implement a standard USB port. I have to say though that it ought to be cheap to make the current cord on the after market.
As to the positives I'm impressed so:
1.
4GB is nice.
2.
The enhanced controls are really nice. In fact this feature is likely to make the shuffle a hot seller. I'm not worried about the controls being on the cord, if Apple is smart they will make this feature easy to adopt by the secondary market.
3.
The size is impressive. Apple has really mastered this activity specific device. That is a device focused on music and more so on active people. It is an ideal companion for the gym or track or canoe or bike or you get the idea.
I hope Apple has built these in large numbers as they will likely sell well. Yes even at the rape us in the ass prices. It is really nice of Apple to produce a cheaper unit and then raise the price.
Yeah I know "it has double the capacity", you can try that excuse but I'm not buying it. Everything about this device tells me it is cheaper than the previous model to produce. On the otherhand we are starting to see why Apple has locked up so much flash production for the next couple of months. We should be expecting more announcements.
Dave
That's incorrect. My first generation iPhone which used they same 3 ring headphone adapter could connect to my AUX port in my car with the help of a dynex adapter for $10. So I bet that same adapter would work here.
Umm... the poster meant, even if you had a headphone out to aux in cable that fit perfectly, there's no controls on the iPod Shuffle so how would you choose songs, etc?
I don't understand all the negative nellies bitching about the fact that you can't use non-Apple headphones with the new shuffle....In the first case you probably can, it just won't have any volume and track controls as those are patented by Apple....
Um the 3rd party headphone manufacturers have to make new headphones because right now if you plug in a 3rd party headphone into it how the heck would you select the track? There's no buttons on the Shuffle...!
I would think the technology would be embedded in the shuffle itself unless apple is using the computer to generate the audio for each song when it syncs???!?!
I really don't get why on a Macintosh the Voice Over speech ain't so bad, but the Windows version is DIFFERENT??, and a tad more electronic.
I would think the technology would be embedded in the shuffle itself unless apple is using the computer to generate the audio for each song when it syncs???!?!
It uses the computer's built in text-to-speech function (like the Nano uses)
PCs have a female, Mac has a male (I guess)
It simply converts the text into tiny audio files, and attaches them to each song like a tag. It actually even uses up a small bit of your capacity, too, but I'm sure they took that into consideration...
On the Nano, its optional. IDK if its option on the shuffle, too, but it seems important with the ability to have multiple playlists
I really don't get why on a Macintosh the Voice Over speech ain't so bad, but the Windows version is DIFFERENT??, and a tad more electronic.
I would think the technology would be embedded in the shuffle itself unless apple is using the computer to generate the audio for each song when it syncs???!?!
Yeah. Good point. You smart person, you. It depends on the computer to generate the voice synth. Makes sense because I was wondering how would you shove all that voice synth tech into that tiny Shuffle. The voice library for all languages, etc will reside in iTunes 8.1 not the Shuffle.
I don't understand all the negative nellies bitching about the fact that you can't use non-Apple headphones with the new shuffle.
In the first case you probably can, it just won't have any volume and track controls as those are patented by Apple. Secondly, any headphones you can get that aren't Apple headphones, especially those that are of the same quality or higher, are going to cost you double the cost of the player itself.
What the heck are you buying the cheapest, lowest capacity player on the market for if you are some kind of audiophile that is too good to wear standard earbuds? Are you serious? And why should Apple twist themselves double trying to make such a tiny tiny fragment of an already tiny market segment happy?
Agreed. So much bitching... about an iPod Shuffle??
I mean seriously, you guys are never happy.
The whole point of the shuffle is to have it as small and unobtrusive as possible. So be it that Apple has moved the controls to the earbuds. I'm sure 3rd parties will catch on soon.
If someone had shown you this tech even just 5 years ago, you'd have been "BS that small thing can store and play 1000+ songs!" rather then worrying about if it supports your precious high-end earbuds or not.
That griffin adapter is only $10, and if it works with the iPhone (2G) I'm sure it'll fit fine with the new shuffle
Um why are you people not getting it? Even if you use this griffin adapter, with the 3rd party headphone, how do you choose a song? There are NO controls on the Shuffle itself.
How the heck does this thing connect to a computer? It is narrower than Apple's standard iPod connector? Have they finally moved to a standard USB connector?
Since the 2G Shuffle arrived Apple has been using the 3.5mm headphone jack to not only play your audio, but to sync and charge the device.
Agreed. So much bitching... about an iPod Shuffle??
I mean seriously, you guys are never happy.
The whole point of the shuffle is to have it as small and unobtrusive as possible. So be it that Apple has moved the controls to the earbuds. I'm sure 3rd parties will catch on soon.
If someone had shown you this tech even just 5 years ago, you'd have been "BS that small thing can store and play 1000+ songs!" rather then worrying about if it supports your precious high-end earbuds or not.
Yeah, 1000+ songs is passe. If that thing had a 100 720p HD movies then we'd be impressed! (or not... "it's only 1TB, pffft")
-unless the sound quality has been improved.
Um why are you people not getting it? Even if you use this griffin adapter, with the 3rd party headphone, how do you choose a song? There are NO controls on the Shuffle itself.
Um, because the adapter has playback controls, just not a volume controls
works the same way as the remote headphones (w/o VC)
have you ever used the remote headphones? or the iPhone headphones? Do you need a large play/pause button? I'd like to keep my device in my pocket so people don't know that I'm carrying a $600 iPhone
That griffin adapter is only $10, and if it works with the iPhone (2G) I'm sure it'll fit fine with the new shuffle
You miss the point. These adapters have no volume controls. Only a single button that I suppose might work as a play/pause button, but what good is that without the ability to skip tracks and change the volume?
Um, because the adapter has playback controls, not just a volume controls
works the same way as the remote headphones
have you ever used the remote headphones? or the iPhone headphones? Do you need a large play/pause button? I'd like to keep my device in my pocket so people don't know that I'm carrying a $600 iPhone
Maybe you're looking at a different Griffin adapter than I am. The one I see has one button, for iPhone talk/end.