The biggest sacrifice I've had to make with the iPhone is how quickly I can get things done because of the lack of multitasking. It's such a fanny to have to go back to the main menu, swipe through numerous pages of apps to find the one you want, wait for it to load, use it, then repeat over and over for every app you want to use. It would be soooo much quicker and efficient to allow apps to remain open in the background and have a task switcher to get back to them quickly. Having used the backgrounder app on a JB iPhone, I know how quickly the phone runs out of memory doing this. However, that just means the iPhone either has too little RAM, or the OS isn't very well optimised for the hardware it runs on - after all there are smartphone OSs out there that show it's perfectly possible to multitask with 264mhz processors and 128mb RAM.
You have a valid complaint but "multitasking" is the wrong word.
What you're referring to is overall performance as well as the ability to switch between features/apps quickly. This has very little to do with true "multitasking".
I'm a Mac guy through and through, but I've loved every minute of having my Treo 650 and I am waiting on the Pre launch and reviews to decide whether I get the Pre or iPhone.
Palm depended a lot on Mac fans to stay in business, but I haven't seen any information on how iSync/MobileMe syncing will be done. If Missing Sync has a really good solution up their sleeve I'll be going with Palm again.
You have a valid complaint but "multitasking" is the wrong word.
What you're referring to is overall performance as well as the ability to switch between features/apps quickly. This has very little to do with true "multitasking".
I'm not sure what else you'd call it. I also have to completely shut down Palringo whenever I want to read my email/browse the web, which means I get no IMs. A long press of the home button to bring up a task switcher would be so wonderful!
While the distinction is admittedly somewhat grey, what you've described in this last post is more of a desire for notifications than for having processing happen in the background.
Is there truly processing that you want to happen in the background on an iPhone? So far I've yet to hear of an example.
Otherwise, a more valid criticism would be directed toward the slow task switching speed. It isn't that the programs need to be accomplishing things in the background.
While the distinction is admittedly somewhat grey, what you've described in this last post is more of a desire for notifications than for having processing happen in the background.
Is there truly processing that you want to happen in the background on an iPhone? So far I've yet to hear of an example.
Otherwise, a more valid criticism would be directed toward the slow task switching speed. It isn't that the programs need to be accomplishing things in the background.
Yeah the slow fiddly switching is one of the main problems, which would be solved by allowing them to run in the background. I can't see how else that would be fixed.
Spotlight will solve the issue of having to go back to the Home screen and flip through screens.
Having 50 apps running in the background would not speed up the ability to to switch.
Which other smarphone OS has Objective-C/Open-GL apps using desktop API's?
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The biggest sacrifice I've had to make with the iPhone is how quickly I can get things done because of the lack of multitasking. It's such a fanny to have to go back to the main menu, swipe through numerous pages of apps to find the one you want, wait for it to load, use it, then repeat over and over for every app you want to use. It would be soooo much quicker and efficient to allow apps to remain open in the background and have a task switcher to get back to them quickly. Having used the backgrounder app on a JB iPhone, I know how quickly the phone runs out of memory doing this. However, that just means the iPhone either has too little RAM, or the OS isn't very well optimised for the hardware it runs on - after all there are smartphone OSs out there that show it's perfectly possible to multitask with 264mhz processors and 128mb RAM.
Which smarphone is that, and what apps are you using? Interesting you did not give any detail.
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Well the one smartphone I do have that allows background apps still lasts longer than the iPhone 3G, so background apps aren't inherently battery hogs. There's just something off about the iPhone battery.
Mobile Safari's tabs are essentially the same as Palm's cards. Only Mobile Safari does not yet have HTML 5 features.
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Umm.....some of the advantages were addressed.
Palm's WebOS's "synergy" and "cards" system for handling the Pre's TRUE multi-tasking hardware and OS is still superior. Nothing in the iphone 3.0 beta preview showed how it can beat that.
This Palm phone came out too late. As such it may hit a niche market with people who remember the last time they used a Palm Treo, for example, but no. It's not a major threat to anything. It's probably not even a threat to the Blackberry Storm, let alone the iPhone. Maybe the Google Android phone, but that's about it.
It'll have a niche market and people who like it if for no other reason than it's different, kind of like a Delorean.
Spotlight will solve the issue of having to go back to the Home screen and flip through screens.
Having 50 apps running in the background would not speed up the ability to to switch.
Which other smarphone OS has Objective-C/Open-GL apps using desktop API's?
Spotlight might help a bit, but it's still a pretty long winded step in comparison to a simple task switcher that shows you the icon of all the apps currently open, and you tap the one you want to bring to focus. Home --- Spotlight --- 'Palringo' is still going to take a lot longer than task switcher --- Palringo for instance.
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Which smarphone is that, and what apps are you using? Interesting you did not give any detail.
Palm's WebOS's "synergy" and "cards" system for handling the Pre's TRUE multi-tasking hardware and OS is still superior. Nothing in the iphone 3.0 beta preview showed how it can beat that.
I'm hoping though that in June Apple will unveil a true multi-tasking iphone with the hardware specs to back that up. As well, I'm hoping this new iphone will have an OS that will fully take advantage of a multi-tasking mobile device.
Yes, this would mean new battery technology in combination with other energy saving techniques would have to be used.
I would rather that with "push" technology than "push" technology alone.
but then oh wise one, if apple did this mythical "true" multitasking, you would be on here complaining about battery life.
but will you be on here posting a compliant about the Pres battery life IF you get it?
I doubt it.
but we would all love to see your review of it none the less. mythical though THAT will turn out to be.
but then oh wise one, if apple did this mythical "true" multitasking, you would be on here complaining about battery life.
but will you be on here posting a compliant about the Pres battery life IF you get it?
I doubt it.
but we would all love to see your review of it none the less. mythical though THAT will turn out to be.
Why oh why does battery life keeping coming into it? S60 shows that multitasking has very little effect on battery life, so why does it need to on the iPhone? Apple should just make it like S60 where multitasking doesn't effect the battery very much.
Spotlight might help a bit, but it's still a pretty long winded step in comparison to a simple task switcher that shows you the icon of all the apps currently open, and you tap the one you want to bring to focus. Home --- Spotlight --- 'Palringo' is still going to take a lot longer than task switcher --- Palringo for instance.
Its likely the Home button could be a short cut to Spotlight. At the press of one button you could have access to everything on the phone.
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E71. Web, Palringo, Messaging.
S60 development platform is not the equal of the iPhone OS development platform. You are running 3 apps with background tasks. The iPhone can contain 148 apps people are typically using over 50. No phone has the resources to run anywhere near that many apps in the background.
S60 development platform is not the equal of the iPhone OS development platform. You are running 3 apps with background tasks. The iPhone can contain 148 apps people are typically using over 50. No phone has the resources to run anywhere near that many apps in the background.
Sorry, but I don't quite understand the relevance between how many apps can be installed in total and multitasking. Can you please elaborate?
Regardless of which device is superior, the iPhone is benefiting from the "it's good enough" mental state that has made Windows a success.
Windows 95 was an utter piece of shit...even today, XP and Vista are highly polished turd...yet a lot of people just use it because "it's good enough". People with this type of mentality have plagued Apple for the past 15 years and only recently have some people woken up and discovered what they've been missing.
The same will be true about the iPhone/iPod touch. iPhone/iPod touch is now benefiting from the same thing Windows 95 benefited from. It'll be very difficult for any smart phone to get into this business because there's already so much momentum behind the iPhone/iPod touch.
Palm will manage to keep its loyal user base but nobody outside this base will see any benefits from using a Pre over an iPhone/iPod touch.
Windows 95 was an utter piece of shit...even today, XP and Vista are highly polished turd...yet a lot of people just use it because "it's good enough". People with this type of mentality have plagued Apple for the past 15 years and only recently have some people woken up and discovered what they've been missing.
'It's good enough' mentality is perfectly true and valid though, and is exactly what the majority of people are looking for. A friend at work recently purchased a laptop for web browsing and simple office tasks. She came away with a £400 Vista laptop. An extra £300 for a MacBook would have gained her nothing at all, other than being £700 out of pocket as opposed to £400! The same holds true of mobile phones.
I predict that the Pre will be pushed back a few months. maybe till the end of the year. Meanwhile new iPhones, Windows Mobile 7, and new Android phones will come out and get more exposure, meanwhile subduing the Pre's hype and sidelining it. Palm never releases the Pre and gets bought out.
Well if Apple allowed background services, the iPhone would need to support as many apps as could be installed. What 's difficult to understand about that?
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Sorry, but I don't quite understand the relevance between how many apps can be installed in total and multitasking. Can you please elaborate?
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The biggest sacrifice I've had to make with the iPhone is how quickly I can get things done because of the lack of multitasking. It's such a fanny to have to go back to the main menu, swipe through numerous pages of apps to find the one you want, wait for it to load, use it, then repeat over and over for every app you want to use. It would be soooo much quicker and efficient to allow apps to remain open in the background and have a task switcher to get back to them quickly. Having used the backgrounder app on a JB iPhone, I know how quickly the phone runs out of memory doing this. However, that just means the iPhone either has too little RAM, or the OS isn't very well optimised for the hardware it runs on - after all there are smartphone OSs out there that show it's perfectly possible to multitask with 264mhz processors and 128mb RAM.
You have a valid complaint but "multitasking" is the wrong word.
What you're referring to is overall performance as well as the ability to switch between features/apps quickly. This has very little to do with true "multitasking".
Palm depended a lot on Mac fans to stay in business, but I haven't seen any information on how iSync/MobileMe syncing will be done. If Missing Sync has a really good solution up their sleeve I'll be going with Palm again.
You have a valid complaint but "multitasking" is the wrong word.
What you're referring to is overall performance as well as the ability to switch between features/apps quickly. This has very little to do with true "multitasking".
I'm not sure what else you'd call it. I also have to completely shut down Palringo whenever I want to read my email/browse the web, which means I get no IMs. A long press of the home button to bring up a task switcher would be so wonderful!
Is there truly processing that you want to happen in the background on an iPhone? So far I've yet to hear of an example.
Otherwise, a more valid criticism would be directed toward the slow task switching speed. It isn't that the programs need to be accomplishing things in the background.
While the distinction is admittedly somewhat grey, what you've described in this last post is more of a desire for notifications than for having processing happen in the background.
Is there truly processing that you want to happen in the background on an iPhone? So far I've yet to hear of an example.
Otherwise, a more valid criticism would be directed toward the slow task switching speed. It isn't that the programs need to be accomplishing things in the background.
Yeah the slow fiddly switching is one of the main problems, which would be solved by allowing them to run in the background. I can't see how else that would be fixed.
Having 50 apps running in the background would not speed up the ability to to switch.
Which other smarphone OS has Objective-C/Open-GL apps using desktop API's?
The biggest sacrifice I've had to make with the iPhone is how quickly I can get things done because of the lack of multitasking. It's such a fanny to have to go back to the main menu, swipe through numerous pages of apps to find the one you want, wait for it to load, use it, then repeat over and over for every app you want to use. It would be soooo much quicker and efficient to allow apps to remain open in the background and have a task switcher to get back to them quickly. Having used the backgrounder app on a JB iPhone, I know how quickly the phone runs out of memory doing this. However, that just means the iPhone either has too little RAM, or the OS isn't very well optimised for the hardware it runs on - after all there are smartphone OSs out there that show it's perfectly possible to multitask with 264mhz processors and 128mb RAM.
Well the one smartphone I do have that allows background apps still lasts longer than the iPhone 3G, so background apps aren't inherently battery hogs. There's just something off about the iPhone battery.
Umm.....some of the advantages were addressed.
Palm's WebOS's "synergy" and "cards" system for handling the Pre's TRUE multi-tasking hardware and OS is still superior. Nothing in the iphone 3.0 beta preview showed how it can beat that.
It'll have a niche market and people who like it if for no other reason than it's different, kind of like a Delorean.
Mobile Safari's tabs are essentially the same as Palm's cards. Only Mobile Safari does not yet have HTML 5 features.
No one expects it to since Safari 4 is still in beta. However, come WWDC that'll change along with much more.
Spotlight will solve the issue of having to go back to the Home screen and flip through screens.
Having 50 apps running in the background would not speed up the ability to to switch.
Which other smarphone OS has Objective-C/Open-GL apps using desktop API's?
Spotlight might help a bit, but it's still a pretty long winded step in comparison to a simple task switcher that shows you the icon of all the apps currently open, and you tap the one you want to bring to focus. Home --- Spotlight --- 'Palringo' is still going to take a lot longer than task switcher --- Palringo for instance.
Which smarphone is that, and what apps are you using? Interesting you did not give any detail.
E71. Web, Palringo, Messaging.
I'm a prospective buyer of a new iPhone.
you really will enjoy it
I STILL keep looking at it either physically or at a new app its running, or even just th VASTNESS of the app store and think WOW!
it just works
Umm.....some of the advantages were addressed.
Palm's WebOS's "synergy" and "cards" system for handling the Pre's TRUE multi-tasking hardware and OS is still superior. Nothing in the iphone 3.0 beta preview showed how it can beat that.
I'm hoping though that in June Apple will unveil a true multi-tasking iphone with the hardware specs to back that up. As well, I'm hoping this new iphone will have an OS that will fully take advantage of a multi-tasking mobile device.
Yes, this would mean new battery technology in combination with other energy saving techniques would have to be used.
I would rather that with "push" technology than "push" technology alone.
but then oh wise one, if apple did this mythical "true" multitasking, you would be on here complaining about battery life.
but will you be on here posting a compliant about the Pres battery life IF you get it?
I doubt it.
but we would all love to see your review of it none the less. mythical though THAT will turn out to be.
but then oh wise one, if apple did this mythical "true" multitasking, you would be on here complaining about battery life.
but will you be on here posting a compliant about the Pres battery life IF you get it?
I doubt it.
but we would all love to see your review of it none the less. mythical though THAT will turn out to be.
Why oh why does battery life keeping coming into it? S60 shows that multitasking has very little effect on battery life, so why does it need to on the iPhone? Apple should just make it like S60 where multitasking doesn't effect the battery very much.
Spotlight might help a bit, but it's still a pretty long winded step in comparison to a simple task switcher that shows you the icon of all the apps currently open, and you tap the one you want to bring to focus. Home --- Spotlight --- 'Palringo' is still going to take a lot longer than task switcher --- Palringo for instance.
Its likely the Home button could be a short cut to Spotlight. At the press of one button you could have access to everything on the phone.
E71. Web, Palringo, Messaging.
S60 development platform is not the equal of the iPhone OS development platform. You are running 3 apps with background tasks. The iPhone can contain 148 apps people are typically using over 50. No phone has the resources to run anywhere near that many apps in the background.
S60 development platform is not the equal of the iPhone OS development platform. You are running 3 apps with background tasks. The iPhone can contain 148 apps people are typically using over 50. No phone has the resources to run anywhere near that many apps in the background.
Sorry, but I don't quite understand the relevance between how many apps can be installed in total and multitasking. Can you please elaborate?
Windows 95 was an utter piece of shit...even today, XP and Vista are highly polished turd...yet a lot of people just use it because "it's good enough". People with this type of mentality have plagued Apple for the past 15 years and only recently have some people woken up and discovered what they've been missing.
The same will be true about the iPhone/iPod touch. iPhone/iPod touch is now benefiting from the same thing Windows 95 benefited from. It'll be very difficult for any smart phone to get into this business because there's already so much momentum behind the iPhone/iPod touch.
Palm will manage to keep its loyal user base but nobody outside this base will see any benefits from using a Pre over an iPhone/iPod touch.
Windows 95 was an utter piece of shit...even today, XP and Vista are highly polished turd...yet a lot of people just use it because "it's good enough". People with this type of mentality have plagued Apple for the past 15 years and only recently have some people woken up and discovered what they've been missing.
'It's good enough' mentality is perfectly true and valid though, and is exactly what the majority of people are looking for. A friend at work recently purchased a laptop for web browsing and simple office tasks. She came away with a £400 Vista laptop. An extra £300 for a MacBook would have gained her nothing at all, other than being £700 out of pocket as opposed to £400! The same holds true of mobile phones.
This doesn't sound like a product on the verge of being released soon.
Sorry, but I don't quite understand the relevance between how many apps can be installed in total and multitasking. Can you please elaborate?