Just proves you are an idiot. Go to www.sonystyle.com and look at the model referenced in the advert and by me. You will see is quite cheaper than Apple.
So all your points and laughs are just utter failure.
Good luck finding the drivers to upgrade your Vaio to any future version of Windows!
As a long long time Windows user and Mac owner I think it's about time Microsoft started advertising their strengths. I think this article sounds like someone with sour grapes. Like the Apple ads are any more truthful. I have always enjoyed them. I think they are funny, but truthful they are not. The Microsoft ads are very accurate. You can buy an excellent Windows laptop, for less then the price of a Mac mini, that will last a long time. My family currently has 3 HP laptops that are 5 years old and two Dell laptops that are 2 years old. Total investment for all 5 laptops $3000.00. My daughter also has a Mac Book provided by the school she teaches at; $2000.00 for one laptop (it's no better then my two year old Dell).
I personally have never felt comfortable in an Apple store. Most people I meet there seem to feel they are better then anyone that owns a Windows machine.
I have virtually no problems with Windows or the Mac but I spend a lot of time helping others on both. Mac owners can mess up their machines just as well as a Windows user.
I personally get a kick out of buying something at the Apple store and as the sales clerk is knocking something about Windows I ask them how they like using Windows Mobile on their handheld point of sale device. Seems like the iPhone or iPod touch should be capable enough, but they must not be.
Everyone keeps mentioning the virus costs. There are several options on Windows that are free, including not running any (I don't run any on my home machines) I do scan my server drives for virus's (I've yet to find one except in e-mail attachments). You can get a virus/trojan on a Mac.
Open Office works quite well on Windows and Macs and it's free. You can use Neo Office on the Mac which is Open Office compiled as a native Mac app.
Just because you didn't wear a condom a few times and she didn't get pregnant doesn't mean it will always be that way. And don't quote free anti-virus, because none of them are any good (AVG's detection rate is less than 40%).
What exactly is your point about Easy Pay? Apple never had a retail set-up before that point and didn't have time to develop its own easy pay, so it integrated what was commonly held to be a strong POS system. I will say, though, that after eight years I wish they would break out a Mac OS based one since the current ones seem to glitch out so much (like every other thing Windows makes).
Lastly, I think it says more about you that you go into an Apple Store with this air of superiority than it does about anyone who works there. Besides that, though, I've been to all four of the Apple Stores in the metro Atlanta area and I've yet to hear one sales person mention Windows unless asked directly about it.
I personally get a kick out of buying something at the Apple store and as the sales clerk is knocking something about Windows I ask them how they like using Windows Mobile on their handheld point of sale device. Seems like the iPhone or iPod touch should be capable enough, but they must not be.
Well, that thing probably reinforces that OSX is better given how often they're fiddling with the things to get them to work. Yes, I understand it's the mag strip reader and not winmo.
As to WHY they aren't using the iPhone...I REALLY doubt Apple wants to tarnish it's iPhone brand in such a way. It's not meant to be a POS (in either sense of the acronym) device.
For those who mention viruses - the last time I saw one on the Mac was about 15 or 20 years ago. On the PC side I have spent many hours cleaning systems which are so infected with so much malware that in one case after three days of running multiple software products multiple times - there was still one infectious item that spread the the rest of my network before I found the right tool for that particular problem.
All in all I am actually glad that there are so many PCs out there and that they have so many problems - this week alone I have five different PCs that need to be worked on - which makes me some extra money - which helps pay for things like upgrading the hard drive in my Mac or getting a new iPhone.
I just want to say that Microsoft is wasting money on these adds. Why not give the money to those people you laid off and get back to the drawing board and come up with a really good operating system that is really usable. Up until 2006 I hated the Macs but till I starting to use one by force in the computer lab then i realize how good the macs were. For the two years i own my Mac Book Pro, I can't recall the one time it crash, i can't re-call reinstalling the operating system. Oh i did not come with junks and it still take me about 45 secs from the time i reboot my computer to be online. Do that with a brand new dell, HP, or Gate way. You first have to wait for VONGO, IM, YAHOO, MSN and the list continue to load before you can start doing your work. It does not even matter if you have 10000000000000gig of ram on the computer. sorry window it's your operating system it's not the computers... and yes apple computers far more involve because they make the software and the computer all under the same roof... maybe you can start doing them and get the other out of business.. thanks ..
Please people need that moeny give it to them and cut off these useless commercials..
Sony Z series (13" 1600x900 display, Mobile Broadband) starting at $1699.99
Sony SR series (13" 1280x800) starting at $1049.99
Sony CS series 14" starting at $789.99
Sony NS series 15" starting at $779.99
Sony FW Series (16" with free Blu-ray) starting at $839.99
Sony AW Series 18" starting at $1424.99
Even configured to match Apple specs the notebooks are cheaper than Apple. I did not mention the 8 or 11" as Apple does not compete at these sizes. Sony quality is generally high end. I did own one a few years ago and was generally pleased. The only replacement was a battery and it was US English support.
Might I add that Sony invented the so called 'chiklet' keyboard that supposedly Apple has 'popularized' and is featured on all Macs...
Sony quality is high-end!? The vast majority of these "exploding" batteries we all hear about were produced by Sony. Samsung manufactures all of Sony's LCD HDTVs and often has a better picture and yet the exact same specs on the Sony will cost you at least $300 more.
And ever wonder why Sony no longer makes mid-towers? 1) It copies Apple's strategy without taking into consideration its own world position and 2) because the vast majority of its desktops sputtered out after two years (I have a six year old model in my attic that hasn't worked in I don't know how long).
Also, Sony did not invent Chiclet keys, it was simply the first to use them on a desktop. That was, in fact, one of its few good ideas.
Trying to make Vaio's seem like cheap computers compared to Macs is laughable. If you were to say Dell, yeah their comptuers are cheaper than Macs, HP too, but Vaio's, don't make me laugh. The same Sony charging 900 dollars for a netbook and you want to make them seem like they are selling cheap computers even in relation to Macs.
As to WHY they aren't using the iPhone...I REALLY doubt Apple wants to tarnish it's iPhone brand in such a way. It's not meant to be a POS (in either sense of the acronym) device.
One of the most recent iPhone ads shows an iPhone being used by a person with a small
business entering a credit card purchase into their iPhone. The app might not be adequate
for use in an Apple store, but it shows that Apple is not against the concept.
Really... all you could do is find 3 computers out of all those models you think are more expensive? Thats it...
Well... the Z series (as I mentioned before). Is 1600x900 pixels at 13.1 in screen. Apple doesn't offer those extra pixels on a 13" notebook do they? In addition it also comes standard with Mobile Broadband... something Apple also doesn't offer on any computer.
The TT Series... is 11 in. Apple does not compete against that computer.
About the LV series desktop, I will say those are expensive. They are truely the only computing product that Sony sells that does appear to be more expensive then Apple. I will note comparibly they really are about the same price and same cpu speed. The high end on both sides are around 3.0ghz with 1TB hard drive. However the Sony does come with a TV Tuner and Blu-ray and both really are marketed as an All in one that you hang on the wall as possibly a TV replacement. As such they are different the other All in ones in the fact it doesn't really have a chin and is thinner then the iMac.
For the majority of Sony Vaio purchases, it will be cheaper than Apple or you are getting features that Apple does not offer such as 11" or a 1600x900 13" display.
So your assertion that Sony Vaio is more expensive and that the FW in this advert was a 'one off' is completely false.
Just a quick question: you do realize that packing too many pixels into too small of a screens makes things invariably harder to see, right?
Apparently John Gruber and myself are the only people, who get Apple (outside of Apple).
I can agree to there being a price premium. I'd like to see the price come down for particular models like the Mac Book and mini.
We all know RAM can boost the processing speed, but how fast do some people need? Casual Mac users who do word processing and browse the internet don't necessarily need 2GB of RAM. Its not too labor intensive. Hence, Apple offers what they feel a user would need, not what the PC market reflects. Sure you can buy a Hyundai, but Mercedes drive infinitely better. So if you have the option, why would you buy a Hyundai?
You say Apple isn't playing fair, but amazingly as a company they are seeing their stock price rise in a recession, have the best smartphone in the world, have the world's most popular mp3 player in multiple categories and have a legion of smart developers and users spurring their financial health because they believe (and apparently have success) with Macs. Hype has to be driven by satisfaction and that is something Windows users are just gonna never have.
Ya thats why ATMs at banks use Windows. Thats why Nuclear Plants use Windows.
This also reminds me of the iPod Virus issue and some aqaintance telling me that those Windows users deserved viruses. Its like Bill Gates raped you as a child. You know what... HE IS GONNA COME AGAIN TONIGHT!!!
This is why Steve Jobs has said he doesn't like Apple fanbois and why sometimes I feel like I wanto sell ever Apple thing I own..
While I get your point about fanbois, I think you're overdoing it substantially. Bank of America, for one, does not use Windows, it uses a modified Linux set-up. Like most creditors, however, several of its severs are based of of either Unix or OS X.
And what are you talking about with power plants? Other than front end operations, I've never seen a power plant running anything other than Linux (and an archaic version, at that). The U.S. government doesn't make a habit of employing operating systems that are used in the consumer sphere and thereby have alot of known faults.
Of the many implications of a commercial like this, the most true one is that you have more options to chose from when getting a Windows-based machine. Recently, Apple has been restructuring its product line to accommodate more users but it can't and isn't trying to compete on options. If you want a Mac laptop, there are 3 choices. Whether analyst or commercial studies properly tally up all the costs of ownership is irrelevant to this point. If your budget is X and you've decided you want a laptop or a desktop, there is usually only one Apple system that meets your needs. If you don't like the choices Apple made in the design of that one option or it doesn't fit your needs, you're out of luck. On the one hand, that situation of reduced choice strikes many folks as simpler, especially if they don't have a simple user category they fit in. On the other hand, if they know more about what they want to do with the system, Apple may or may not have accommodated their needs in that one choice. One the windows side, there is a dizzying array of choices accommodating many needs and user categories given a budget and a choice of desktop vs laptop. If you're willing to sift through, you may be able to get something that better meets your needs.
Where the advantages of a Mac are clear are in areas that are harder to quantify or list as checkbox features:
Design - beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Build quality - you only really learn about that after buying and seeing how long the system holds up
UI - Depends on more than the OS, on the variety and quality of apps written for it
Security/Safety - Apple can say there aren't any viruses in the wild for OSX, right now, it certainly can't say it doesn't have any security vulnerabilities...
Where the advantages of a MS-based system are clear tend to be in more quantifiable or direct ways:
Price - more options means you'll generally find an option that seems comparable at purchase time for a lower price
Compatibility - More hardware and software vendors make stuff that runs on Windows. Even Apple products such as iPods have had to bow to this need for many years. The same story extends to their web browsers. Many sites, whatever the reason, only render properly in IE. If I want to fill out my work electronic timecard from home, Safari doesn't cut it. I don't know why
As to WHY they aren't using the iPhone...I REALLY doubt Apple wants to tarnish it's iPhone brand in such a way. It's not meant to be a POS (in either sense of the acronym) device.
Uh oh
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Originally Posted by quinney
One of the most recent iPhone ads shows an iPhone being used by a person with a small
business entering a credit card purchase into their iPhone. The app might not be adequate
for use in an Apple store, but it shows that Apple is not against the concept.
5K budget? You have just helped Microsoft out...congrats.
Alienate a majority of the market with your ad and you won't be winning over many consumers.
Point taken & made, but that wasn't the purpose of my post, I was
Referring to a comparison of capable systems, running enthusiast to pro grade software.
Referring to total system costs, in an enthusiast (even moderate) sector.
Enthusiasts are "consumers" too, and brand loyalty is earned daily, not assumed (at least in my playbook)
As for the costs, if you can you get a HD consumer camcorder, memory, DSLR, dual printers, required accessories and year's broadband for less than $5k with a Mac or brand-name PC capable of working with them decently, let me know!
This commercial says nothing much about computers and everything about how uneducated consumers are. French manicures, stylish, clothes, and lots of trendy catch-phrases...this is how we usher the next generation of mindless consumers into a life of debt and macmansions full of craptacular possessions.
First post? Sure, you don't work for Redmond... Don't feel comfortable in an Apple Store? You obviously have an inferiority complex, because I know I wouldn't give a damn if I saw you there. Then again, I would be uncomfortable in an Apple Store if I worked for Microsoft, too.
I don't have an inferiority complex. Its the fact that I do not enjoy being in an environment where people like to trash talk stuff without any factual basis. I am a user of both products. I don't bash Macs or OSX and I don't bash Windows. They both have their issues and I don't mind talking about them or how to work around them. They are both excellent products.
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A two year old Dell is better than a $2,000 MacBook? First of all, you don't give any information about either, other than a vague description of the age of the Dell and the price of the MacBook. That doesn't tell anyone anything. I highly doubt that any two year old Dell notebook is better than a $2,000 MacBook of any age.
I didn't say my Dell was better. I said my daughter's MacBook wasn't better. They are basically equivalent. The are both Core 2 Duo Intel with 2 gig of ram 250 Gig hard disks. Hers does have the Intel graphics while my Dell is ATI. It's not a knock against the Mac but the integrated Intel graphics are not as good as ATI or NVidia no matter if it's a Mac or a Dell. The only feature that her Macbook has that I would like on my Dell is the magnetic power connection.
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No, Mac owners do not "mess up" their machines anywhere near as bad, and often, as PC users. I've spent a LOT more time fixing the PCs in my family than the Macs, and most of my family owns Macs these days.
In my family I don't spend much time fixing either. If I include the Macbook we have 6 laptops, 5 windows desktops, 3 windows servers, 1 linux server, and one Mac mini.
The majority of my relatives are Windows users, only a few use Macs.
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You know just as damn well as I do that there's probably back-end proprietary credit card merchant software that requires Windows. It has nothing to do with whether an iPhone of iPod Touch is better than Windows Mobile, because all of us here in the real world know damn well that Windows mobile is garbage. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot stylus.
There is nothing requiring it to be Windows Mobile and if you notice you will soon see that they will be switching.
I personally like Windows Mobile and have been a Pocket PC user for years.
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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek
Free antivirus doesn't work as well as paid antivirus, the same way a free healthcare clinic isn't as thorough as a real hospital. If you have a real problem, you're going to need the hospital anyways. It's just plain idiotic to run Windows without antivirus, unless you're completely disconnected from any networks and have no optical/magnetic media.
The free are just as good and with a few common sense precautions there isn't much need of it on Windows either. The big name Anti-Virus companies are way too intrusive on systems and cause there own share of problems.
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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek
No, Macs don't just "get" viruses and trojans. In order to successfully infect a Mac the same way that Windows machines are constantly infected, it would take real concrete social engineering and/or physical access to the machine. I've used Macs for years now, still no malware. Keep talking. Reality speaks for itself.
I'm a user for 27+ years no virus yet for me.
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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek
OpenOffice produces poor quality documents. Then again, so does Office. iWork, however, creates very elegant documents and it's very easy to use. Office is okay, but I prefer iWork. OpenOffice is garbage. Harder to use and messy looking documents.
It's statements like this that just proves the point of the Microsoft commercials and my comment about my experience in Apple stores. As soon as someone finds out that I use Windows, and Windows Mobile. It doesn't matter that I am also a Mac and iPod user.
Funny thing is that had they done a "fair" comparison, there would STILL be an Apple tax, and Microsoft wouldn't have to lie about what Apple charges for products. But being greedy completely destroys the validity of the study and thus it's complete trash.
Perfect summary of my reaction. I definitely think you pay a premium for mac, but the "white paper" is so blatantly dishonest, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes people who actually read it skeptical that macs are that much more expensive at all. Really, is the difference in price so minor that MS has to artificially exaggerate it so much?
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Originally Posted by razorpit
Throwing Apple's software advantage aside, I think Apple should update the standard memory and hard drive size for those who really don't know the whole picture and instead just look at "numbers."
While I agree with that, it should be noted that the "white paper" makes comparisons to the old mac configurations that are no longer shipping - the current models have more than is listed in the comparisons.
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Originally Posted by Bruce Atkinson
The Microsoft ads are very accurate.
You should take a look at the "white paper". It is clearly not.
I personally like Windows Mobile and have been a Pocket PC user for years.
Thousands of $$ dumped on WinMo devices here over the years. I was so happy to dump them all when the iPhone debuted. Can you imagine, a hand-held web browser that's actually good for something?
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Just proves you are an idiot. Go to www.sonystyle.com and look at the model referenced in the advert and by me. You will see is quite cheaper than Apple.
So all your points and laughs are just utter failure.
Good luck finding the drivers to upgrade your Vaio to any future version of Windows!
As a long long time Windows user and Mac owner I think it's about time Microsoft started advertising their strengths. I think this article sounds like someone with sour grapes. Like the Apple ads are any more truthful. I have always enjoyed them. I think they are funny, but truthful they are not. The Microsoft ads are very accurate. You can buy an excellent Windows laptop, for less then the price of a Mac mini, that will last a long time. My family currently has 3 HP laptops that are 5 years old and two Dell laptops that are 2 years old. Total investment for all 5 laptops $3000.00. My daughter also has a Mac Book provided by the school she teaches at; $2000.00 for one laptop (it's no better then my two year old Dell).
I personally have never felt comfortable in an Apple store. Most people I meet there seem to feel they are better then anyone that owns a Windows machine.
I have virtually no problems with Windows or the Mac but I spend a lot of time helping others on both. Mac owners can mess up their machines just as well as a Windows user.
I personally get a kick out of buying something at the Apple store and as the sales clerk is knocking something about Windows I ask them how they like using Windows Mobile on their handheld point of sale device. Seems like the iPhone or iPod touch should be capable enough, but they must not be.
Everyone keeps mentioning the virus costs. There are several options on Windows that are free, including not running any (I don't run any on my home machines) I do scan my server drives for virus's (I've yet to find one except in e-mail attachments). You can get a virus/trojan on a Mac.
Open Office works quite well on Windows and Macs and it's free. You can use Neo Office on the Mac which is Open Office compiled as a native Mac app.
Just because you didn't wear a condom a few times and she didn't get pregnant doesn't mean it will always be that way. And don't quote free anti-virus, because none of them are any good (AVG's detection rate is less than 40%).
What exactly is your point about Easy Pay? Apple never had a retail set-up before that point and didn't have time to develop its own easy pay, so it integrated what was commonly held to be a strong POS system. I will say, though, that after eight years I wish they would break out a Mac OS based one since the current ones seem to glitch out so much (like every other thing Windows makes).
Lastly, I think it says more about you that you go into an Apple Store with this air of superiority than it does about anyone who works there. Besides that, though, I've been to all four of the Apple Stores in the metro Atlanta area and I've yet to hear one sales person mention Windows unless asked directly about it.
I personally get a kick out of buying something at the Apple store and as the sales clerk is knocking something about Windows I ask them how they like using Windows Mobile on their handheld point of sale device. Seems like the iPhone or iPod touch should be capable enough, but they must not be.
Well, that thing probably reinforces that OSX is better given how often they're fiddling with the things to get them to work. Yes, I understand it's the mag strip reader and not winmo.
As to WHY they aren't using the iPhone...I REALLY doubt Apple wants to tarnish it's iPhone brand in such a way. It's not meant to be a POS (in either sense of the acronym) device.
For those who mention viruses - the last time I saw one on the Mac was about 15 or 20 years ago. On the PC side I have spent many hours cleaning systems which are so infected with so much malware that in one case after three days of running multiple software products multiple times - there was still one infectious item that spread the the rest of my network before I found the right tool for that particular problem.
All in all I am actually glad that there are so many PCs out there and that they have so many problems - this week alone I have five different PCs that need to be worked on - which makes me some extra money - which helps pay for things like upgrading the hard drive in my Mac or getting a new iPhone.
I second that!
Please people need that moeny give it to them and cut off these useless commercials..
You are still an idiot...
Sony Z series (13" 1600x900 display, Mobile Broadband) starting at $1699.99
Sony SR series (13" 1280x800) starting at $1049.99
Sony CS series 14" starting at $789.99
Sony NS series 15" starting at $779.99
Sony FW Series (16" with free Blu-ray) starting at $839.99
Sony AW Series 18" starting at $1424.99
Even configured to match Apple specs the notebooks are cheaper than Apple. I did not mention the 8 or 11" as Apple does not compete at these sizes. Sony quality is generally high end. I did own one a few years ago and was generally pleased. The only replacement was a battery and it was US English support.
Might I add that Sony invented the so called 'chiklet' keyboard that supposedly Apple has 'popularized' and is featured on all Macs...
Sony quality is high-end!? The vast majority of these "exploding" batteries we all hear about were produced by Sony. Samsung manufactures all of Sony's LCD HDTVs and often has a better picture and yet the exact same specs on the Sony will cost you at least $300 more.
And ever wonder why Sony no longer makes mid-towers? 1) It copies Apple's strategy without taking into consideration its own world position and 2) because the vast majority of its desktops sputtered out after two years (I have a six year old model in my attic that hasn't worked in I don't know how long).
Also, Sony did not invent Chiclet keys, it was simply the first to use them on a desktop. That was, in fact, one of its few good ideas.
As to WHY they aren't using the iPhone...I REALLY doubt Apple wants to tarnish it's iPhone brand in such a way. It's not meant to be a POS (in either sense of the acronym) device.
One of the most recent iPhone ads shows an iPhone being used by a person with a small
business entering a credit card purchase into their iPhone. The app might not be adequate
for use in an Apple store, but it shows that Apple is not against the concept.
http://movies.apple.com/media/us/iph...06_848x480.mov
Really... all you could do is find 3 computers out of all those models you think are more expensive? Thats it...
Well... the Z series (as I mentioned before). Is 1600x900 pixels at 13.1 in screen. Apple doesn't offer those extra pixels on a 13" notebook do they? In addition it also comes standard with Mobile Broadband... something Apple also doesn't offer on any computer.
The TT Series... is 11 in. Apple does not compete against that computer.
About the LV series desktop, I will say those are expensive. They are truely the only computing product that Sony sells that does appear to be more expensive then Apple. I will note comparibly they really are about the same price and same cpu speed. The high end on both sides are around 3.0ghz with 1TB hard drive. However the Sony does come with a TV Tuner and Blu-ray and both really are marketed as an All in one that you hang on the wall as possibly a TV replacement. As such they are different the other All in ones in the fact it doesn't really have a chin and is thinner then the iMac.
For the majority of Sony Vaio purchases, it will be cheaper than Apple or you are getting features that Apple does not offer such as 11" or a 1600x900 13" display.
So your assertion that Sony Vaio is more expensive and that the FW in this advert was a 'one off' is completely false.
Just a quick question: you do realize that packing too many pixels into too small of a screens makes things invariably harder to see, right?
I can agree to there being a price premium. I'd like to see the price come down for particular models like the Mac Book and mini.
We all know RAM can boost the processing speed, but how fast do some people need? Casual Mac users who do word processing and browse the internet don't necessarily need 2GB of RAM. Its not too labor intensive. Hence, Apple offers what they feel a user would need, not what the PC market reflects. Sure you can buy a Hyundai, but Mercedes drive infinitely better. So if you have the option, why would you buy a Hyundai?
You say Apple isn't playing fair, but amazingly as a company they are seeing their stock price rise in a recession, have the best smartphone in the world, have the world's most popular mp3 player in multiple categories and have a legion of smart developers and users spurring their financial health because they believe (and apparently have success) with Macs. Hype has to be driven by satisfaction and that is something Windows users are just gonna never have.
Ya thats why ATMs at banks use Windows. Thats why Nuclear Plants use Windows.
This also reminds me of the iPod Virus issue and some aqaintance telling me that those Windows users deserved viruses. Its like Bill Gates raped you as a child. You know what... HE IS GONNA COME AGAIN TONIGHT!!!
This is why Steve Jobs has said he doesn't like Apple fanbois and why sometimes I feel like I wanto sell ever Apple thing I own..
While I get your point about fanbois, I think you're overdoing it substantially. Bank of America, for one, does not use Windows, it uses a modified Linux set-up. Like most creditors, however, several of its severs are based of of either Unix or OS X.
And what are you talking about with power plants? Other than front end operations, I've never seen a power plant running anything other than Linux (and an archaic version, at that). The U.S. government doesn't make a habit of employing operating systems that are used in the consumer sphere and thereby have alot of known faults.
Where the advantages of a Mac are clear are in areas that are harder to quantify or list as checkbox features:
Design - beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Build quality - you only really learn about that after buying and seeing how long the system holds up
UI - Depends on more than the OS, on the variety and quality of apps written for it
Security/Safety - Apple can say there aren't any viruses in the wild for OSX, right now, it certainly can't say it doesn't have any security vulnerabilities...
Where the advantages of a MS-based system are clear tend to be in more quantifiable or direct ways:
Price - more options means you'll generally find an option that seems comparable at purchase time for a lower price
Compatibility - More hardware and software vendors make stuff that runs on Windows. Even Apple products such as iPods have had to bow to this need for many years. The same story extends to their web browsers. Many sites, whatever the reason, only render properly in IE. If I want to fill out my work electronic timecard from home, Safari doesn't cut it. I don't know why
As to WHY they aren't using the iPhone...I REALLY doubt Apple wants to tarnish it's iPhone brand in such a way. It's not meant to be a POS (in either sense of the acronym) device.
Uh oh
One of the most recent iPhone ads shows an iPhone being used by a person with a small
business entering a credit card purchase into their iPhone. The app might not be adequate
for use in an Apple store, but it shows that Apple is not against the concept.
Certainly not
Uh oh
Certainly not
Beat me to it.
5K budget? You have just helped Microsoft out...congrats.
Alienate a majority of the market with your ad and you won't be winning over many consumers.
Point taken & made, but that wasn't the purpose of my post, I was
- Referring to a comparison of capable systems, running enthusiast to pro grade software.
- Referring to total system costs, in an enthusiast (even moderate) sector.
Enthusiasts are "consumers" too, and brand loyalty is earned daily, not assumed (at least in my playbook)As for the costs, if you can you get a HD consumer camcorder, memory, DSLR, dual printers, required accessories and year's broadband for less than $5k with a Mac or brand-name PC capable of working with them decently, let me know!
theft is not allowed in this scenario
First post? Sure, you don't work for Redmond... Don't feel comfortable in an Apple Store? You obviously have an inferiority complex, because I know I wouldn't give a damn if I saw you there. Then again, I would be uncomfortable in an Apple Store if I worked for Microsoft, too.
I don't have an inferiority complex. Its the fact that I do not enjoy being in an environment where people like to trash talk stuff without any factual basis. I am a user of both products. I don't bash Macs or OSX and I don't bash Windows. They both have their issues and I don't mind talking about them or how to work around them. They are both excellent products.
A two year old Dell is better than a $2,000 MacBook? First of all, you don't give any information about either, other than a vague description of the age of the Dell and the price of the MacBook. That doesn't tell anyone anything. I highly doubt that any two year old Dell notebook is better than a $2,000 MacBook of any age.
I didn't say my Dell was better. I said my daughter's MacBook wasn't better. They are basically equivalent. The are both Core 2 Duo Intel with 2 gig of ram 250 Gig hard disks. Hers does have the Intel graphics while my Dell is ATI. It's not a knock against the Mac but the integrated Intel graphics are not as good as ATI or NVidia no matter if it's a Mac or a Dell. The only feature that her Macbook has that I would like on my Dell is the magnetic power connection.
No, Mac owners do not "mess up" their machines anywhere near as bad, and often, as PC users. I've spent a LOT more time fixing the PCs in my family than the Macs, and most of my family owns Macs these days.
In my family I don't spend much time fixing either. If I include the Macbook we have 6 laptops, 5 windows desktops, 3 windows servers, 1 linux server, and one Mac mini.
The majority of my relatives are Windows users, only a few use Macs.
You know just as damn well as I do that there's probably back-end proprietary credit card merchant software that requires Windows. It has nothing to do with whether an iPhone of iPod Touch is better than Windows Mobile, because all of us here in the real world know damn well that Windows mobile is garbage. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot stylus.
There is nothing requiring it to be Windows Mobile and if you notice you will soon see that they will be switching.
I personally like Windows Mobile and have been a Pocket PC user for years.
Free antivirus doesn't work as well as paid antivirus, the same way a free healthcare clinic isn't as thorough as a real hospital. If you have a real problem, you're going to need the hospital anyways. It's just plain idiotic to run Windows without antivirus, unless you're completely disconnected from any networks and have no optical/magnetic media.
The free are just as good and with a few common sense precautions there isn't much need of it on Windows either. The big name Anti-Virus companies are way too intrusive on systems and cause there own share of problems.
No, Macs don't just "get" viruses and trojans. In order to successfully infect a Mac the same way that Windows machines are constantly infected, it would take real concrete social engineering and/or physical access to the machine. I've used Macs for years now, still no malware. Keep talking. Reality speaks for itself.
I'm a user for 27+ years no virus yet for me.
OpenOffice produces poor quality documents. Then again, so does Office. iWork, however, creates very elegant documents and it's very easy to use. Office is okay, but I prefer iWork. OpenOffice is garbage. Harder to use and messy looking documents.
It's statements like this that just proves the point of the Microsoft commercials and my comment about my experience in Apple stores. As soon as someone finds out that I use Windows, and Windows Mobile. It doesn't matter that I am also a Mac and iPod user.
Trying to make Vaio's seem like cheap computers compared to Macs is laughable.
Okay, have a few more laughs:
(1) Sony's 18.4" 1920x1080 display is less expensive than the 17" 1920x1200 display Apple uses.
(2) Sony's rickety flash-dance laptop enclosure vs. Apple's solid, down-to-business enclosure.
(3) Sony's lack of product support vs. Apple's broad level of support for both the hardware and software.
Funny thing is that had they done a "fair" comparison, there would STILL be an Apple tax, and Microsoft wouldn't have to lie about what Apple charges for products. But being greedy completely destroys the validity of the study and thus it's complete trash.
Perfect summary of my reaction. I definitely think you pay a premium for mac, but the "white paper" is so blatantly dishonest, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes people who actually read it skeptical that macs are that much more expensive at all. Really, is the difference in price so minor that MS has to artificially exaggerate it so much?
Throwing Apple's software advantage aside, I think Apple should update the standard memory and hard drive size for those who really don't know the whole picture and instead just look at "numbers."
While I agree with that, it should be noted that the "white paper" makes comparisons to the old mac configurations that are no longer shipping - the current models have more than is listed in the comparisons.
The Microsoft ads are very accurate.
You should take a look at the "white paper". It is clearly not.
I personally like Windows Mobile and have been a Pocket PC user for years.
Thousands of $$ dumped on WinMo devices here over the years. I was so happy to dump them all when the iPhone debuted. Can you imagine, a hand-held web browser that's actually good for something?
I'm a user for 27+ years no virus yet for me.
How do you know?