I though that too at first. Perhapse that because we are thinking DOD/Fed? Perhapse he is in State or a less secure Fed agency? I'm DOD, IT aware, but not in that function presently.
Hello my Fed employed brother. I am with State and I know for a fact that you are not allowed to put any private devices on a gov't network, not ever. EVER. So for him to say that he put his personal device on a gov't network to access gov't information, means:
1. He just created a insecurity.
2. He signed a document saying that he understood that he can not do this but did it anyway. Now he is breaking the law and is subject to punishment.
States networks are pretty secure. There are only 3 networks higher classified: WHCA, Christians in Action, and No Such Agency, and I am sure that if he put his iPhone on either of those, the IA departments would have had him on lock down faster than a cat can lick its butt.
Has it ever occurred to you that there are quite a few different types of government offices? And that the same rules do not apply everywhere? And that some places may not follow the rules as rigidly as you do?
While I have no way of knowing if OP was telling the truth, your immediately calling him a liar is completely baseless.
How about fib teller, or story embellisher, either way, he was not telling the truth. As I mentioned in my previous posts, personal devices are not allowed on gov't networks. EVER. I can not be more clearer than that. EVER !
To be granted access to even an unclass network, you have to sign docs, go to classes explaining that you will not put your personal device on the network and if you are in violation of this policy, you are subject to some nasty juju.
Forgot to mention, most if not all gov't agencies have an unclass and class area where electronic devices are not allowed.
I think very few people are really 'qualified' to make the comparison. How many people have used an iPhone keyboard for any length of time AND used a BB keyboard for any length of time?
What bothers me is that many people, especially Blackberry and Treo users, would claim that software or hardware keyboard is better than the other and act like if their claim is based on a solid research when their claim is actually based on their personal experience.
As long as Blackberry has a replaceable battery and the iPhone does not, the Blackberry will always win out in any corporate decision. No way will most corporations go for having to send their phones to Apple for troubleshooting dead batteries issues and their replacement.
As long as Blackberry has a replaceable battery and the iPhone does not, the Blackberry will always win out in any corporate decision. No way will most corporations go for having to send their phones to Apple for troubleshooting dead batteries issues and their replacement.
Spot on and not to mention that extra batteries are handed out with the handsets.
It's just sad that many people just made the conclusion that iPhone is hard for typing long messages or emails just because it doesn't have a physical keyboard. Often times these people only used the iPhone for a few minutes while disregarding the fact that they practiced using the small physical keyboard much longer than they did on the iPhone keyboard, which made their conclusion very skewed.
As a matter of fact, I type much faster on my iPhone than on my old Treo 650, and it didn't take me a lot of practice to get used to iPhone keyboard at all. There are lots of people that I know of actually prefer typing on iPhone over phones that has physical keyboard.
I'm not trying to say that anyone should type faster on iPhone than on Blackberry. What I'm trying to say that iPhone has a very good potential to type long messages or emails and the conclusion of "iPhone is hard for typing long messages or emails because it doesn't have a physical keyboard" is so wrong. The decision to choose software or hardware keyboard on phones is more of a preference issue.
BTW, I laughed so hard when many people kept saying that iPhone is capable of anything other than typing emails and messages.
It's the same reason why some brainiac at Apple thought excluding the universdal numeric keyboard as the default keyboard was a good solution for the iMac. It may look good -but the other way is faster and practical.
Hello my Fed employed brother. I am with State and I know for a fact that you are not allowed to put any private devices on a gov't network, not ever. EVER. So for him to say that he put his personal device on a gov't network to access gov't information, means:
1. He just created a insecurity.
2. He signed a document saying that he understood that he can not do this but did it anyway. Now he is breaking the law and is subject to punishment.
States networks are pretty secure. There are only 3 networks higher classified: WHCA, Christians in Action, and No Such Agency, and I am sure that if he put his iPhone on either of those, the IA departments would have had him on lock down faster than a cat can lick its butt.
I should have been more specific when I had said state. I meant to imply one of the several states not the dept of. Regardless he's definitly being naughty and breaking the rules. Jobs or worse can be lost that way.
I should have been more specific when I had said state. I meant to imply one of the several states not the dept of. Regardless he's definitly being naughty and breaking the rules. Jobs or worse can be lost that way.
Actually I do not think he is breaking the rules simply because he can not get access without certain devices needed to create and pass tokens. He is just trying to show off for some people in this forum and he got called on it. He will not show up to try to defend himself. He knows his cover was blown and his story was crapola.
As long as Blackberry has a replaceable battery and the iPhone does not, the Blackberry will always win out in any corporate decision. No way will most corporations go for having to send their phones to Apple for troubleshooting dead batteries issues and their replacement.
The "closed" battery can be a valid issue or concern. The battery should definitely be user replacable. Some users may find comfort in a removable battery for confirmation that their phone is truely powered off... That being said, several add-on devices are available to supply additional power thru the dock connector.
I find your entire story full of crap. I work for the US. Gov't, and what you are describing is completely forbidden. There is no way you are allowed to access your work emails via a personal phone. If you are using a gov't intranet, you have to use a FOB to generate a token, and you have to specify your browser type because the server checks the user agent. Did I mention that I work in the IT department? The word liar comes to mind. Go sell crazy somewhere else. No one is buying it here.
You are very naive if you think that every govt department follows the same rules, or that even different offices within the same department are all the same. I can tell you from first hand knowledge that in some offices, personal devices are used openly. It's not smart, but it DOES happen.
You shouldn't. Different strokes for different folks!
We're happy with what we have, and apparently you are with yours, so what's not to like?
Nothing. People like what they like, and nobody needs to or even should try to change their mind. That was my point in the first place: that Apple will need to address the fact that a model that has a physical keyboard will be required alongside the touch model before the iPhone will even come close to the Blackberry's enterprise market penetration.
Nothing. People like what they like, and nobody needs to or even should try to change their mind. That was my point in the first place: that Apple will need to address the fact that a model that has a physical keyboard will be required alongside the touch model before the iPhone will even come close to the Blackberry's enterprise market penetration.
There I disagree. And that's purely a matter of opinion/speculation. It is certainly likely that (i) Apple will choose not to; and (ii) As others have speculated, over time, the world becomes more touch-y.
The "closed" battery can be a valid issue or concern. The battery should definitely be user replacable. Some users may find comfort in a removable battery for confirmation that their phone is truely powered off... That being said, several add-on devices are available to supply additional power thru the dock connector.
Not to mention the ease in porting data between 2 units (replacement) if one is not 100% operable.
My brother sent me another one of his emails with 37 photos attached as it was larger than 3MB a Blackberry wouldn't even be able to open it, I don't bother using a PC to check emails at all any more or to use the Internet either, I have also used my iPhone to set up Gmail accounts for Blackberry customers as the Blackberry browser is incapable, you get a message from Google telling you to come back on a desktop.
I set my iPhone up to access my companies exchange account when we had an Internet outage at our local store, all the folders were there exactly like our desktop, it reset my iPhone's security so I had to enter the email password to unlock the phone.
Nokia is not likely to be taken up for serious enterprise use with the N97 or 5800, Symbian is not very secure, you can change the product codes and IMEI's quite easily and change the firmware, video calling and video Skype calling is totally insecure for some areas.
Besides the over complex hinge mechanism doesn't look robust enough to handle much wear and tear.
Part A] How many people were on this business plan using iPhones? 5, 10, 50, 100? The fewer the people, the more impressed I will be with the 360 dollar savings. Though, savings at all is good anyways!
Part B] So, the company isn't buying the iPhones like they did the blackberries. Their employees are buying the phones then using them on the business's plan. Of course that means there will be a savings when the cost of hardware is taken out!
So instead of Crackberries, we'll have iCrack! Hee hee. As long as the device does what the business needs it to do, I don't care which device they use. All devices have their ups and downs.
It'll be interesting to see exactly this plays out if Apple really does go for more cooperate...
blackberries require you to buy the Blackberry Enterprise Server from RiM, then you need to buy the server and the OS license to run it, CAL's which are $75 each and support. Where I work it's around $5000 for the server software plus windows server plus the hardware, etc.
for the iphone you only need Exchange 2003 and higher which you already have if you're buying BES
blackberries require you to buy the Blackberry Enterprise Server from RiM, then you need to buy the server and the OS license to run it, CAL's which are $75 each and support. Where I work it's around $5000 for the server software plus windows server plus the hardware, etc.
for the iphone you only need Exchange 2003 and higher which you already have if you're buying BES
Companies are eventually going to rebel against all the "hidden" middleware fees involved in supporting the Blackberry platform. Heck, I administer a Kerio Mailserver (excellent, Mac-friendly alternative to Exchange) for a small-ish company, and Kerio's ActiveSync support works with iPhone straight out of the box. I have to spend $50/year for third party software for each of my Blackberry users to offer similar push access to our mail server, and it doesn't work even half as well.
Finally, the "BB is for business and iPhone is for play" myth is put to rest.
I've long asked, what do you BB users exactly use the BB for that you make this claim? For on the go professionals, the iPhone is the clear winner with business specific productivity Apps. BB has a slight and arguable edge with email, that's it.
That is not possible for a Corporate Enviornment. That opens the computers up too much, and apple needs to step up and come up with a better solution. you cant put itunes on every corporate pc, or any at my large company, when i say large i mean the largest chain in the world...
Surely you are only speaking of Europe. Nokia doesn't exist in corporate USA.
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It will be interesting to see where corporations go to spend their money this summer when 3.0 is released and when Nokia releases the N97. On just the spec sheet alone, the N97 will simply blow the 3.0 version iPhone away as does the 5800XM. With the inclusion of Skype on the N97 desktop, and a host of enterprise features already standard, Apple will have to sweeten the pot. Most E and N series Nokia phones are BB capable via software installation which is a big advantage.
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I though that too at first. Perhapse that because we are thinking DOD/Fed? Perhapse he is in State or a less secure Fed agency? I'm DOD, IT aware, but not in that function presently.
Hello my Fed employed brother. I am with State and I know for a fact that you are not allowed to put any private devices on a gov't network, not ever. EVER. So for him to say that he put his personal device on a gov't network to access gov't information, means:
1. He just created a insecurity.
2. He signed a document saying that he understood that he can not do this but did it anyway. Now he is breaking the law and is subject to punishment.
States networks are pretty secure. There are only 3 networks higher classified: WHCA, Christians in Action, and No Such Agency, and I am sure that if he put his iPhone on either of those, the IA departments would have had him on lock down faster than a cat can lick its butt.
The word 'uninformed' comes to mind.
Has it ever occurred to you that there are quite a few different types of government offices? And that the same rules do not apply everywhere? And that some places may not follow the rules as rigidly as you do?
While I have no way of knowing if OP was telling the truth, your immediately calling him a liar is completely baseless.
How about fib teller, or story embellisher, either way, he was not telling the truth. As I mentioned in my previous posts, personal devices are not allowed on gov't networks. EVER. I can not be more clearer than that. EVER !
To be granted access to even an unclass network, you have to sign docs, go to classes explaining that you will not put your personal device on the network and if you are in violation of this policy, you are subject to some nasty juju.
Forgot to mention, most if not all gov't agencies have an unclass and class area where electronic devices are not allowed.
I think very few people are really 'qualified' to make the comparison. How many people have used an iPhone keyboard for any length of time AND used a BB keyboard for any length of time?
What bothers me is that many people, especially Blackberry and Treo users, would claim that software or hardware keyboard is better than the other and act like if their claim is based on a solid research when their claim is actually based on their personal experience.
As long as Blackberry has a replaceable battery and the iPhone does not, the Blackberry will always win out in any corporate decision. No way will most corporations go for having to send their phones to Apple for troubleshooting dead batteries issues and their replacement.
Spot on and not to mention that extra batteries are handed out with the handsets.
It's just sad that many people just made the conclusion that iPhone is hard for typing long messages or emails just because it doesn't have a physical keyboard. Often times these people only used the iPhone for a few minutes while disregarding the fact that they practiced using the small physical keyboard much longer than they did on the iPhone keyboard, which made their conclusion very skewed.
As a matter of fact, I type much faster on my iPhone than on my old Treo 650, and it didn't take me a lot of practice to get used to iPhone keyboard at all. There are lots of people that I know of actually prefer typing on iPhone over phones that has physical keyboard.
I'm not trying to say that anyone should type faster on iPhone than on Blackberry. What I'm trying to say that iPhone has a very good potential to type long messages or emails and the conclusion of "iPhone is hard for typing long messages or emails because it doesn't have a physical keyboard" is so wrong. The decision to choose software or hardware keyboard on phones is more of a preference issue.
BTW, I laughed so hard when many people kept saying that iPhone is capable of anything other than typing emails and messages.
It's the same reason why some brainiac at Apple thought excluding the universdal numeric keyboard as the default keyboard was a good solution for the iMac. It may look good -but the other way is faster and practical.
Hello my Fed employed brother. I am with State and I know for a fact that you are not allowed to put any private devices on a gov't network, not ever. EVER. So for him to say that he put his personal device on a gov't network to access gov't information, means:
1. He just created a insecurity.
2. He signed a document saying that he understood that he can not do this but did it anyway. Now he is breaking the law and is subject to punishment.
States networks are pretty secure. There are only 3 networks higher classified: WHCA, Christians in Action, and No Such Agency, and I am sure that if he put his iPhone on either of those, the IA departments would have had him on lock down faster than a cat can lick its butt.
I should have been more specific when I had said state. I meant to imply one of the several states not the dept of. Regardless he's definitly being naughty and breaking the rules. Jobs or worse can be lost that way.
I should have been more specific when I had said state. I meant to imply one of the several states not the dept of. Regardless he's definitly being naughty and breaking the rules. Jobs or worse can be lost that way.
Actually I do not think he is breaking the rules simply because he can not get access without certain devices needed to create and pass tokens. He is just trying to show off for some people in this forum and he got called on it. He will not show up to try to defend himself. He knows his cover was blown and his story was crapola.
As long as Blackberry has a replaceable battery and the iPhone does not, the Blackberry will always win out in any corporate decision. No way will most corporations go for having to send their phones to Apple for troubleshooting dead batteries issues and their replacement.
The "closed" battery can be a valid issue or concern. The battery should definitely be user replacable. Some users may find comfort in a removable battery for confirmation that their phone is truely powered off... That being said, several add-on devices are available to supply additional power thru the dock connector.
I own an iPod touch. I gave it to my son....Why would I want to get used to a compromise, when what I already have is better?
You shouldn't. Different strokes for different folks!
We're happy with what we have, and apparently you are with yours, so what's not to like?
I find your entire story full of crap. I work for the US. Gov't, and what you are describing is completely forbidden. There is no way you are allowed to access your work emails via a personal phone. If you are using a gov't intranet, you have to use a FOB to generate a token, and you have to specify your browser type because the server checks the user agent. Did I mention that I work in the IT department? The word liar comes to mind. Go sell crazy somewhere else. No one is buying it here.
You are very naive if you think that every govt department follows the same rules, or that even different offices within the same department are all the same. I can tell you from first hand knowledge that in some offices, personal devices are used openly. It's not smart, but it DOES happen.
You shouldn't. Different strokes for different folks!
We're happy with what we have, and apparently you are with yours, so what's not to like?
Nothing. People like what they like, and nobody needs to or even should try to change their mind. That was my point in the first place: that Apple will need to address the fact that a model that has a physical keyboard will be required alongside the touch model before the iPhone will even come close to the Blackberry's enterprise market penetration.
Nothing. People like what they like, and nobody needs to or even should try to change their mind. That was my point in the first place: that Apple will need to address the fact that a model that has a physical keyboard will be required alongside the touch model before the iPhone will even come close to the Blackberry's enterprise market penetration.
There I disagree. And that's purely a matter of opinion/speculation. It is certainly likely that (i) Apple will choose not to; and (ii) As others have speculated, over time, the world becomes more touch-y.
The "closed" battery can be a valid issue or concern. The battery should definitely be user replacable. Some users may find comfort in a removable battery for confirmation that their phone is truely powered off... That being said, several add-on devices are available to supply additional power thru the dock connector.
Not to mention the ease in porting data between 2 units (replacement) if one is not 100% operable.
My brother sent me another one of his emails with 37 photos attached as it was larger than 3MB a Blackberry wouldn't even be able to open it, I don't bother using a PC to check emails at all any more or to use the Internet either, I have also used my iPhone to set up Gmail accounts for Blackberry customers as the Blackberry browser is incapable, you get a message from Google telling you to come back on a desktop.
I set my iPhone up to access my companies exchange account when we had an Internet outage at our local store, all the folders were there exactly like our desktop, it reset my iPhone's security so I had to enter the email password to unlock the phone.
Nokia is not likely to be taken up for serious enterprise use with the N97 or 5800, Symbian is not very secure, you can change the product codes and IMEI's quite easily and change the firmware, video calling and video Skype calling is totally insecure for some areas.
Besides the over complex hinge mechanism doesn't look robust enough to handle much wear and tear.
Part A] How many people were on this business plan using iPhones? 5, 10, 50, 100? The fewer the people, the more impressed I will be with the 360 dollar savings. Though, savings at all is good anyways!
Part B] So, the company isn't buying the iPhones like they did the blackberries. Their employees are buying the phones then using them on the business's plan. Of course that means there will be a savings when the cost of hardware is taken out!
So instead of Crackberries, we'll have iCrack! Hee hee. As long as the device does what the business needs it to do, I don't care which device they use. All devices have their ups and downs.
It'll be interesting to see exactly this plays out if Apple really does go for more cooperate...
blackberries require you to buy the Blackberry Enterprise Server from RiM, then you need to buy the server and the OS license to run it, CAL's which are $75 each and support. Where I work it's around $5000 for the server software plus windows server plus the hardware, etc.
for the iphone you only need Exchange 2003 and higher which you already have if you're buying BES
blackberries require you to buy the Blackberry Enterprise Server from RiM, then you need to buy the server and the OS license to run it, CAL's which are $75 each and support. Where I work it's around $5000 for the server software plus windows server plus the hardware, etc.
for the iphone you only need Exchange 2003 and higher which you already have if you're buying BES
Companies are eventually going to rebel against all the "hidden" middleware fees involved in supporting the Blackberry platform. Heck, I administer a Kerio Mailserver (excellent, Mac-friendly alternative to Exchange) for a small-ish company, and Kerio's ActiveSync support works with iPhone straight out of the box. I have to spend $50/year for third party software for each of my Blackberry users to offer similar push access to our mail server, and it doesn't work even half as well.
I've long asked, what do you BB users exactly use the BB for that you make this claim? For on the go professionals, the iPhone is the clear winner with business specific productivity Apps. BB has a slight and arguable edge with email, that's it.
It will be interesting to see where corporations go to spend their money this summer when 3.0 is released and when Nokia releases the N97. On just the spec sheet alone, the N97 will simply blow the 3.0 version iPhone away as does the 5800XM. With the inclusion of Skype on the N97 desktop, and a host of enterprise features already standard, Apple will have to sweeten the pot. Most E and N series Nokia phones are BB capable via software installation which is a big advantage.