The BlackBerry does not win out in any corporate decision. The BB will cannot hold its position forever, other phones will compete for enterprise.
To dispense with your FUD, the iPhone's battery will last for years without the need for battery replacement, most people change phones within two years. You do not have to go to Apple replace the battery.
You also ignore the problem of replaceable batteries having moving parts that wear out and break. Battery covers with worn or broken hinges, batteries with worn or dirty connectors.
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Originally Posted by teckstud
As long as Blackberry has a replaceable battery and the iPhone does not, the Blackberry will always win out in any corporate decision. No way will most corporations go for having to send their phones to Apple for troubleshooting dead batteries issues and their replacement.
Surely you are only speaking of Europe. Nokia doesn't exist in corporate USA.
They exist to some extent but the fact that their footprint is rather small and they are still number 1 says quite about about their global reach. Hate to break this to you but there are other countries in the world. Maybe you should get a passport and travel to a few and you would know. Just a thought.... Nokia could stop selling phones completely in the US and still be number 1. Apple canät say the same. One very, very important fact to remomber is that there are literally millions of people that simply do not want an iPhone but would rather have, Nokia, or Samsung, or LG, or even (heaven forbid) Motorola. This very reason alone is why Nokia will pretty much stay at the top with Apple in second or third. Plenty of market for everyone.
The iPod has never had a user replaceable battery. Clearly Apple is moving in the direction of having all of its portable devices with sealed batteries. I doubt people will absolutely require a removable battery.
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Originally Posted by MWahlman
The "closed" battery can be a valid issue or concern. The battery should definitely be user replacable. Some users may find comfort in a removable battery for confirmation that their phone is truely powered off... That being said, several add-on devices are available to supply additional power thru the dock connector.
3.0 brings email searching. I use my phone mostly for email and this is a feature I do need to have. You can search emails through the email app and Spotlight page.
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2. Matter of personal taste. I use my iPhone only for receiving mail when I"m traveling. When I'm in the office or at home, I get the mail on my computer. I never have any need for searching emails - and doubt if very many people do. The iPhone is not a personal computer.
You are always so prepared to jump on your Nokia high horse. I didn't even say anything bad about Nokia.
The story this thread is based upon is from an American study of American companies, that is why Nokia is not really apart of the discussion. You are the only one who brought them up.
If this were a study of European countries then yes Nokia would naturally be apart of the discussion.
Pointing out that Nokia has little bearing on what happens in the US is not disparaging Nokia, its simply the truth. Your tirade about other countries and how Nokia is number 1 has nothing to do with it.
Geeez, talk about fanboy.
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns
They exist to some extent but the fact that their footprint is rather small and they are still number 1 says quite about about their global reach. Hate to break this to you but there are other countries in the world. Maybe you should get a passport and travel to a few and you would know. Just a thought.... Nokia could stop selling phones completely in the US and still be number 1. Apple canät say the same. One very, very important fact to remomber is that there are literally millions of people that simply do not want an iPhone but would rather have, Nokia, or Samsung, or LG, or even (heaven forbid) Motorola. This very reason alone is why Nokia will pretty much stay at the top with Apple in second or third. Plenty of market for everyone.
You are always so prepared to jump on your Nokia high horse. I didn't even say anything bad about Nokia.
The story this thread is based upon is from an American study of American companies, that is why Nokia is not really apart of the discussion. You are the only one who brought them up.
If this were a study of European countries then yes Nokia would naturally be apart of the discussion.
Pointing out that Nokia has little bearing on what happens in the US is not disparaging Nokia, its simply the truth. Your tirade about other countries and how Nokia is number 1 has nothing to do with it.
Geeez, talk about fanboy.
Fanboy. That's rich coming from Apple's number 1 cheerleader. The article was talking about enterprise phones and how the iPhone is moving into this arena. To mention Nokia in this milieu is appropriate as they too are well entrenched in the corporate spaces. You mentioned Nokia and corporate America, and I corrected you. Not to mention the fact that Nokia, SE and a few others will be dropping new phones around the same time Apple will release 3.0, so there will be quite a bit of competition for these coveted corporate dollars.
Still all in all, Nokia will maintain it's market lead over the other guys while everyone else will get a piece of the pie. If you can't see this, then you need start attending deprograming classes.
By the way, I have an iPhone, as well as a Nokia phone. Neither phone fulfills my needs. The iPhone is more iPod with phone while the Nokia is more about serious telephony needs. I guess I am a fanboy of what works for me, not for a brand.
I thought it was pretty well established that Nokia is hemorrhaging market share in the smartphone segment. Their global leadership position is based on selling a great many cheap and relatively basic phones. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I don't feel like looking for a link right now, so if I have that wrong I apologize in advance. I just seem to remember reading that.
OK, this. So while Nokia remains the leader (as of fourth quarter '08) they are losing share rapidly while Apple and RIM are gaining share rapidly.
The trouble for Nokia is that they don't seem to have any product on the horizon that could credibly reverse this trend. They have more of the same, with more features. If more features could trump hard to use and an aging OS, they wouldn't be having this problem.
Any word on the fruits of the Nokia Symbian buyout? Is Nokia's stewardship expected to make Symbian competitive? Because it really doesn't appear to be, at the moment, legacy market share notwithstanding.
You fail to recognize that Nokia was not mentioned anywhere in this story. The reason for that is because Nokia is not used in any large degree in American enterprise.
So what if Nokia and SE will bring new phones, they always have new phones. American enterprise has never adopted any of those platforms, what will these new phones suddenly do to change that?
I doubt they will do anything.
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns
Fanboy. That's rich coming from Apple's number 1 cheerleader. The article was talking about enterprise phones and how the iPhone is moving into this arena. To mention Nokia in this milieu is appropriate as they too are well entrenched in the corporate spaces. You mentioned Nokia and corporate America, and I corrected you. Not to mention the fact that Nokia, SE and a few others will be dropping new phones around the same time Apple will release 3.0, so there will be quite a bit of competition for these coveted corporate dollars.
I thought it was pretty well established that Nokia is hemorrhaging market share in the smartphone segment. Their global leadership position is based on selling a great many cheap and relatively basic phones. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I don't feel like looking for a link right now, so if I have that wrong I apologize in advance. I just seem to remember reading that.
You are pretty much correct. They are losing market shares to LG (I think), Samsung, Apple, SE (not so much) in the Smartphone market, but there are many definitions of a smartphone. One man's smartphone is another man's multi-media player that can make phone calls. For sure Nokia is going to lose market share but the market is very much fragmented. Apple is not going to just march in and sweep up. If this were true Apple should be running away with it all now but as I said before and will mention again, there are literally millions of people that do not want an iPhone and no matter what, Apple will not capture this market. I am more interested in what happens when 3.0 and the N97 hit the street. Then the fun should begin.
OK, this. So while Nokia remains the leader (as of fourth quarter '08) they are losing share rapidly while Apple and RIM are gaining share rapidly.
The trouble for Nokia is that they don't seem to have any product on the horizon that could credibly reverse this trend. They have more of the same, with more features. If more features could trump hard to use and aging OS, they wouldn't be having this problem.
Any word on the fruits of the Nokia Symbian buyout? Is Nokia's stewardship expected to make Symbian competitive? Because, at the moment, it doesn't appear to be, legacy marketshare notwithstanding.
""We find the BlackBerry better for email and calendaring and the iPhone better for everything else," he notes."
Well, that covers about 80% of my BB usage. Plus, the worldwide plan I have is cheaper than anything I can get through Apple's partner for equivalent service.
OK, this. So while Nokia remains the leader (as of fourth quarter '08) they are losing share rapidly while Apple and RIM are gaining share rapidly.
The trouble for Nokia is that they don't seem to have any product on the horizon that could credibly reverse this trend. They have more of the same, with more features. If more features could trump hard to use and an aging OS, they wouldn't be having this problem.
Any word on the fruits of the Nokia Symbian buyout? Is Nokia's stewardship expected to make Symbian competitive? Because it really doesn't appear to be, at the moment, legacy market share notwithstanding.
The buyout was just completed a month or two again so we will have to see how things shake out in the next few months. Now that Symbian is Open Source, developers should flock to it as this is where they will make much of their money. I think CNET mentioned this today or yesterday. I will try to find the article. If Nokia has a successful launch of the N97 the way the 5800XM (minus the colossal US launch screw up), they should be in very good shape market wise. The N97 is one of the most anticipated phones in quite a while.
As for hard to use. While using an iPhone and an E71 daily, I can say that I use the E71 for calling, sms'g, and all serious telephony functions while I use the iPhone to fill in the gaps for watching a TV show or something that I purchased (DRM'd). I really do not use the iPhone for much because it can't really do much, but what it does, it does very well.
You are pretty much correct. They are losing market shares to LG (I think), Samsung, Apple, SE (not so much) in the Smartphone market, but there are many definitions of a smartphone. One man's smartphone is another man's multi-media player that can make phone calls. For sure Nokia is going to lose market share but the market is very much fragmented. Apple is not going to just march in and sweep up. If this were true Apple should be running away with it all now but as I said before and will mention again, there are literally millions of people that do not want an iPhone and no matter what, Apple will not capture this market. I am more interested in what happens when 3.0 and the N97 hit the street. Then the fun should begin.
Right, but isn't the N97 the same, but more? As I said in my previous post, I don't think Nokia can reverse their fortunes by putting even more pixels in the camera and more density in the screen and more memory in the user space and more processor and more whatever.
That's what they've been doing while they've been losing all that market share, isn't it? And with each new release of a flagship phone Nokia enthusiasts lick their lips and say "This one. This is the one."
But that model doesn't seem to be working anymore, and I don't think it's for lack of impressive hardware.
Right, but isn't the N97 the same, but more? As I said in my previous post, I don't think Nokia can reverse their fortunes by putting even more pixels in the camera and more density in the screen and more memory in the user space and more processor and more whatever.
That's what they've been doing while they've been losing all that market share, isn't it? And with each new release of a flagship phone Nokia enthusiasts lick their lips and say "This one. This is the one."
But that model doesn't seem to be working anymore, and I don't think it's for lack of impressive hardware.
Good point. For sure. Symbian has been showing its age. My friends in Nokia say that the powers that be are listening and trying to adapt. Considering that no one company has a lock on brain power they all are looking at what the other guy is doing and trying to make it fit. This is true of Apple copying from SE, SE from Nokia, Nokia from Apple, etc.... Hopefully in the end us consumers will be the clear winner.
You fail to recognize that Nokia was not mentioned anywhere in this story. The reason for that is because Nokia is not used in any large degree in American enterprise.
So what if Nokia and SE will bring new phones, they always have new phones. American enterprise has never adopted any of those platforms, what will these new phones suddenly do to change that?
I doubt they will do anything.
Next time post the disclaimer: "No talking about other phone brands allowed in this thread" and I will know the rules of the game.
Good point. For sure. Symbian has been showing its age. My friends in Nokia say that the powers that be are listening and trying to adapt. Considering that no one company has a lock on brain power they all are looking at what the other guy is doing and trying to make it fit. This is true of Apple copying from SE, SE from Nokia, Nokia from Apple, etc.... Hopefully in the end us consumers will be the clear winner.
So, it looks to me that of the rivals that Nokia faces (Apple, RIM, Android and Palm, assuming the Pre takes off), they all have operating systems written from the ground up to run smart phones, three of them in the last few years. (Sorry, WinMob, check back when v.7 comes out.)
So how does Nokia configure the aging Symbian OS to compete? They can move UI elements around, sure, but is it possible that they are facing their "OS 9/NeXT" moment, where if they don't break compatibility and come out with something entirely new, they simply won't be able to go head to head with newer systems? Or am I underestimating the flexibility of Symbian?
BTW, in a nod to the thread topic, I think this line of thought applies to RIM, as well. They'll have a tough time keeping their phones current, if they have to continuously build on a code base that was never intended to function as a full computer OS.
They exist to some extent but the fact that their footprint is rather small and they are still number 1 says quite about about their global reach. Hate to break this to you but there are other countries in the world. Maybe you should get a passport and travel to a few and you would know. Just a thought.... Nokia could stop selling phones completely in the US and still be number 1. Apple canät say the same. One very, very important fact to remomber is that there are literally millions of people that simply do not want an iPhone but would rather have, Nokia, or Samsung, or LG, or even (heaven forbid) Motorola. This very reason alone is why Nokia will pretty much stay at the top with Apple in second or third. Plenty of market for everyone.
You seem to forget that Nokia's been losing significant marketshare around that whole world. They even pulled out of Japan entirely.
Nokia is retrenching. As long as they rely on Symbian, they're a lost cause.
I work at a very large (many thousands of users) government office where Blackberries have been prevalent for years and are readily available as government funded (& owned) equipment to most who want one. The IT department has been generally Apple hostile for many years and iPhones are definitely not supported.
I bought my iPhone as a personal phone the day they first came out. (I neither have nor want a 'company' Blackberry.) I quickly started using it at work to access email via our webmail system. It was usable in a pinch, but not very convenient since I could not access our facility wifi on the iPhone (IT won't give guest user accounts for personal phones) and webmail of Edge is a bit clunky. Mostly I used it when on the road.
However, when the 2.0 upgrade came out, with the addition of LEAP I was able to access the facility wifi through my regular user account name & password and to set up an email account on my iPhone that accesses my work Exchange account. It took only a matter of minutes and no help from IT nor any special access. My iPhone now automatically switches from my home wifi to Edge to work wifi, etc. as I move around during the day and all the while keeps my personal and work email accounts updated and in separate folders. The transition between work and personal is now so seamless that I barely even notice, but the emails are all kept separate. If I need to do any heavy web stuff on the phone, the wifi is there at work as well. I can even set the work email for push notifications and I actually get the Exchange mail so fast on my iPhone that I usually finish reading the message before it even shows up on my hard wired desktop machine at work. (I usually leave push off because the heavy email traffic can munch the battery pretty quick and the 15 minute updates are more than good enough.) Going on travel is now like never loosing access.
All without any effort or even awareness on the part of the IT department. There are a number of us 'bootleg' iPhone users there now, even some on ipod touches. It is my phone and my account so there is no conflict with using it for whatever personal stuff I want to as well. It works as well or better than the crackberries for work stuff, let alone being an ipod. As long as IT leaves us alone, I'll be perfectly happy with the situation. The only nice thing would be if I could talk them into subsidizing a data tethering upgrade to my AT&T account when iPhone 3.0 adds that. (Cell modems are still a very privileged perq.)
No way would I ever want to get a 'company' Blackberry phone now. I have one (very slim) device that does all I need for work and personal and I control it. (And NO WAY would I want a clunker of a phone bloated out with one of those stupid chicklet keyboards. The iPhone virtual keyboard is a stroke of genius - hopefully physical keyboard phones will go the way of the command line interface very soon.)
The convenience is unbelievable and the simplicity of getting it set up still seems surreal for the lack of effort required. All at no cost and no effort required from my employer. Like I said, I don't think the IT department even knows us users are doing this. They certainly didn't do anything for us to enable it that I am aware of and they aren't getting charged for us like they are for all the officially sanctioned crackberry users.
As others have mentioned, the only thing beyond the 3.0 updates (hardware & software) that I'd really like to see is a built-in file handling app (sort of a mini Finder). I'll probably try one of the third party ones as soon as 3.0 is out though.
since the Iphone supports all the ActiveSync functions like remote wipe, what would you need to do in order to give your IT department the ability to wipe your iphone remotely if they wanted?
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To dispense with your FUD, the iPhone's battery will last for years without the need for battery replacement, most people change phones within two years. You do not have to go to Apple replace the battery.
You also ignore the problem of replaceable batteries having moving parts that wear out and break. Battery covers with worn or broken hinges, batteries with worn or dirty connectors.
As long as Blackberry has a replaceable battery and the iPhone does not, the Blackberry will always win out in any corporate decision. No way will most corporations go for having to send their phones to Apple for troubleshooting dead batteries issues and their replacement.
Surely you are only speaking of Europe. Nokia doesn't exist in corporate USA.
They exist to some extent but the fact that their footprint is rather small and they are still number 1 says quite about about their global reach. Hate to break this to you but there are other countries in the world. Maybe you should get a passport and travel to a few and you would know. Just a thought.... Nokia could stop selling phones completely in the US and still be number 1. Apple canät say the same. One very, very important fact to remomber is that there are literally millions of people that simply do not want an iPhone but would rather have, Nokia, or Samsung, or LG, or even (heaven forbid) Motorola. This very reason alone is why Nokia will pretty much stay at the top with Apple in second or third. Plenty of market for everyone.
The "closed" battery can be a valid issue or concern. The battery should definitely be user replacable. Some users may find comfort in a removable battery for confirmation that their phone is truely powered off... That being said, several add-on devices are available to supply additional power thru the dock connector.
2. Matter of personal taste. I use my iPhone only for receiving mail when I"m traveling. When I'm in the office or at home, I get the mail on my computer. I never have any need for searching emails - and doubt if very many people do. The iPhone is not a personal computer.
The story this thread is based upon is from an American study of American companies, that is why Nokia is not really apart of the discussion. You are the only one who brought them up.
If this were a study of European countries then yes Nokia would naturally be apart of the discussion.
Pointing out that Nokia has little bearing on what happens in the US is not disparaging Nokia, its simply the truth. Your tirade about other countries and how Nokia is number 1 has nothing to do with it.
Geeez, talk about fanboy.
They exist to some extent but the fact that their footprint is rather small and they are still number 1 says quite about about their global reach. Hate to break this to you but there are other countries in the world. Maybe you should get a passport and travel to a few and you would know. Just a thought.... Nokia could stop selling phones completely in the US and still be number 1. Apple canät say the same. One very, very important fact to remomber is that there are literally millions of people that simply do not want an iPhone but would rather have, Nokia, or Samsung, or LG, or even (heaven forbid) Motorola. This very reason alone is why Nokia will pretty much stay at the top with Apple in second or third. Plenty of market for everyone.
You are always so prepared to jump on your Nokia high horse. I didn't even say anything bad about Nokia.
The story this thread is based upon is from an American study of American companies, that is why Nokia is not really apart of the discussion. You are the only one who brought them up.
If this were a study of European countries then yes Nokia would naturally be apart of the discussion.
Pointing out that Nokia has little bearing on what happens in the US is not disparaging Nokia, its simply the truth. Your tirade about other countries and how Nokia is number 1 has nothing to do with it.
Geeez, talk about fanboy.
Fanboy. That's rich coming from Apple's number 1 cheerleader. The article was talking about enterprise phones and how the iPhone is moving into this arena. To mention Nokia in this milieu is appropriate as they too are well entrenched in the corporate spaces. You mentioned Nokia and corporate America, and I corrected you. Not to mention the fact that Nokia, SE and a few others will be dropping new phones around the same time Apple will release 3.0, so there will be quite a bit of competition for these coveted corporate dollars.
Still all in all, Nokia will maintain it's market lead over the other guys while everyone else will get a piece of the pie. If you can't see this, then you need start attending deprograming classes.
By the way, I have an iPhone, as well as a Nokia phone. Neither phone fulfills my needs. The iPhone is more iPod with phone while the Nokia is more about serious telephony needs. I guess I am a fanboy of what works for me, not for a brand.
I don't feel like looking for a link right now, so if I have that wrong I apologize in advance. I just seem to remember reading that.
The trouble for Nokia is that they don't seem to have any product on the horizon that could credibly reverse this trend. They have more of the same, with more features. If more features could trump hard to use and an aging OS, they wouldn't be having this problem.
Any word on the fruits of the Nokia Symbian buyout? Is Nokia's stewardship expected to make Symbian competitive? Because it really doesn't appear to be, at the moment, legacy market share notwithstanding.
So what if Nokia and SE will bring new phones, they always have new phones. American enterprise has never adopted any of those platforms, what will these new phones suddenly do to change that?
I doubt they will do anything.
Fanboy. That's rich coming from Apple's number 1 cheerleader. The article was talking about enterprise phones and how the iPhone is moving into this arena. To mention Nokia in this milieu is appropriate as they too are well entrenched in the corporate spaces. You mentioned Nokia and corporate America, and I corrected you. Not to mention the fact that Nokia, SE and a few others will be dropping new phones around the same time Apple will release 3.0, so there will be quite a bit of competition for these coveted corporate dollars.
I thought it was pretty well established that Nokia is hemorrhaging market share in the smartphone segment. Their global leadership position is based on selling a great many cheap and relatively basic phones. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I don't feel like looking for a link right now, so if I have that wrong I apologize in advance. I just seem to remember reading that.
You are pretty much correct. They are losing market shares to LG (I think), Samsung, Apple, SE (not so much) in the Smartphone market, but there are many definitions of a smartphone. One man's smartphone is another man's multi-media player that can make phone calls. For sure Nokia is going to lose market share but the market is very much fragmented. Apple is not going to just march in and sweep up. If this were true Apple should be running away with it all now but as I said before and will mention again, there are literally millions of people that do not want an iPhone and no matter what, Apple will not capture this market. I am more interested in what happens when 3.0 and the N97 hit the street. Then the fun should begin.
The trouble for Nokia is that they don't seem to have any product on the horizon that could credibly reverse this trend. They have more of the same, with more features. If more features could trump hard to use and aging OS, they wouldn't be having this problem.
Any word on the fruits of the Nokia Symbian buyout? Is Nokia's stewardship expected to make Symbian competitive? Because, at the moment, it doesn't appear to be, legacy marketshare notwithstanding.
Well, that covers about 80% of my BB usage. Plus, the worldwide plan I have is cheaper than anything I can get through Apple's partner for equivalent service.
OK, this. So while Nokia remains the leader (as of fourth quarter '08) they are losing share rapidly while Apple and RIM are gaining share rapidly.
The trouble for Nokia is that they don't seem to have any product on the horizon that could credibly reverse this trend. They have more of the same, with more features. If more features could trump hard to use and an aging OS, they wouldn't be having this problem.
Any word on the fruits of the Nokia Symbian buyout? Is Nokia's stewardship expected to make Symbian competitive? Because it really doesn't appear to be, at the moment, legacy market share notwithstanding.
The buyout was just completed a month or two again so we will have to see how things shake out in the next few months. Now that Symbian is Open Source, developers should flock to it as this is where they will make much of their money. I think CNET mentioned this today or yesterday. I will try to find the article. If Nokia has a successful launch of the N97 the way the 5800XM (minus the colossal US launch screw up), they should be in very good shape market wise. The N97 is one of the most anticipated phones in quite a while.
As for hard to use. While using an iPhone and an E71 daily, I can say that I use the E71 for calling, sms'g, and all serious telephony functions while I use the iPhone to fill in the gaps for watching a TV show or something that I purchased (DRM'd). I really do not use the iPhone for much because it can't really do much, but what it does, it does very well.
You are pretty much correct. They are losing market shares to LG (I think), Samsung, Apple, SE (not so much) in the Smartphone market, but there are many definitions of a smartphone. One man's smartphone is another man's multi-media player that can make phone calls. For sure Nokia is going to lose market share but the market is very much fragmented. Apple is not going to just march in and sweep up. If this were true Apple should be running away with it all now but as I said before and will mention again, there are literally millions of people that do not want an iPhone and no matter what, Apple will not capture this market. I am more interested in what happens when 3.0 and the N97 hit the street. Then the fun should begin.
Right, but isn't the N97 the same, but more? As I said in my previous post, I don't think Nokia can reverse their fortunes by putting even more pixels in the camera and more density in the screen and more memory in the user space and more processor and more whatever.
That's what they've been doing while they've been losing all that market share, isn't it? And with each new release of a flagship phone Nokia enthusiasts lick their lips and say "This one. This is the one."
But that model doesn't seem to be working anymore, and I don't think it's for lack of impressive hardware.
Right, but isn't the N97 the same, but more? As I said in my previous post, I don't think Nokia can reverse their fortunes by putting even more pixels in the camera and more density in the screen and more memory in the user space and more processor and more whatever.
That's what they've been doing while they've been losing all that market share, isn't it? And with each new release of a flagship phone Nokia enthusiasts lick their lips and say "This one. This is the one."
But that model doesn't seem to be working anymore, and I don't think it's for lack of impressive hardware.
Good point. For sure. Symbian has been showing its age. My friends in Nokia say that the powers that be are listening and trying to adapt. Considering that no one company has a lock on brain power they all are looking at what the other guy is doing and trying to make it fit. This is true of Apple copying from SE, SE from Nokia, Nokia from Apple, etc.... Hopefully in the end us consumers will be the clear winner.
You fail to recognize that Nokia was not mentioned anywhere in this story. The reason for that is because Nokia is not used in any large degree in American enterprise.
So what if Nokia and SE will bring new phones, they always have new phones. American enterprise has never adopted any of those platforms, what will these new phones suddenly do to change that?
I doubt they will do anything.
Next time post the disclaimer: "No talking about other phone brands allowed in this thread" and I will know the rules of the game.
Good point. For sure. Symbian has been showing its age. My friends in Nokia say that the powers that be are listening and trying to adapt. Considering that no one company has a lock on brain power they all are looking at what the other guy is doing and trying to make it fit. This is true of Apple copying from SE, SE from Nokia, Nokia from Apple, etc.... Hopefully in the end us consumers will be the clear winner.
So, it looks to me that of the rivals that Nokia faces (Apple, RIM, Android and Palm, assuming the Pre takes off), they all have operating systems written from the ground up to run smart phones, three of them in the last few years. (Sorry, WinMob, check back when v.7 comes out.)
So how does Nokia configure the aging Symbian OS to compete? They can move UI elements around, sure, but is it possible that they are facing their "OS 9/NeXT" moment, where if they don't break compatibility and come out with something entirely new, they simply won't be able to go head to head with newer systems? Or am I underestimating the flexibility of Symbian?
BTW, in a nod to the thread topic, I think this line of thought applies to RIM, as well. They'll have a tough time keeping their phones current, if they have to continuously build on a code base that was never intended to function as a full computer OS.
They exist to some extent but the fact that their footprint is rather small and they are still number 1 says quite about about their global reach. Hate to break this to you but there are other countries in the world. Maybe you should get a passport and travel to a few and you would know. Just a thought.... Nokia could stop selling phones completely in the US and still be number 1. Apple canät say the same. One very, very important fact to remomber is that there are literally millions of people that simply do not want an iPhone but would rather have, Nokia, or Samsung, or LG, or even (heaven forbid) Motorola. This very reason alone is why Nokia will pretty much stay at the top with Apple in second or third. Plenty of market for everyone.
You seem to forget that Nokia's been losing significant marketshare around that whole world. They even pulled out of Japan entirely.
Nokia is retrenching. As long as they rely on Symbian, they're a lost cause.
You seem to forget that Nokia's been losing significant marketshare around that whole world. They even pulled out of Japan entirely.
Nokia is retrenching. As long as they rely on Symbian, they're a lost cause.
Gee, Mel, did you just skip the dozen or so posts just prior to this?
I work at a very large (many thousands of users) government office where Blackberries have been prevalent for years and are readily available as government funded (& owned) equipment to most who want one. The IT department has been generally Apple hostile for many years and iPhones are definitely not supported.
I bought my iPhone as a personal phone the day they first came out. (I neither have nor want a 'company' Blackberry.) I quickly started using it at work to access email via our webmail system. It was usable in a pinch, but not very convenient since I could not access our facility wifi on the iPhone (IT won't give guest user accounts for personal phones) and webmail of Edge is a bit clunky. Mostly I used it when on the road.
However, when the 2.0 upgrade came out, with the addition of LEAP I was able to access the facility wifi through my regular user account name & password and to set up an email account on my iPhone that accesses my work Exchange account. It took only a matter of minutes and no help from IT nor any special access. My iPhone now automatically switches from my home wifi to Edge to work wifi, etc. as I move around during the day and all the while keeps my personal and work email accounts updated and in separate folders. The transition between work and personal is now so seamless that I barely even notice, but the emails are all kept separate. If I need to do any heavy web stuff on the phone, the wifi is there at work as well. I can even set the work email for push notifications and I actually get the Exchange mail so fast on my iPhone that I usually finish reading the message before it even shows up on my hard wired desktop machine at work. (I usually leave push off because the heavy email traffic can munch the battery pretty quick and the 15 minute updates are more than good enough.) Going on travel is now like never loosing access.
All without any effort or even awareness on the part of the IT department. There are a number of us 'bootleg' iPhone users there now, even some on ipod touches. It is my phone and my account so there is no conflict with using it for whatever personal stuff I want to as well. It works as well or better than the crackberries for work stuff, let alone being an ipod. As long as IT leaves us alone, I'll be perfectly happy with the situation. The only nice thing would be if I could talk them into subsidizing a data tethering upgrade to my AT&T account when iPhone 3.0 adds that. (Cell modems are still a very privileged perq.)
No way would I ever want to get a 'company' Blackberry phone now. I have one (very slim) device that does all I need for work and personal and I control it. (And NO WAY would I want a clunker of a phone bloated out with one of those stupid chicklet keyboards. The iPhone virtual keyboard is a stroke of genius - hopefully physical keyboard phones will go the way of the command line interface very soon.)
The convenience is unbelievable and the simplicity of getting it set up still seems surreal for the lack of effort required. All at no cost and no effort required from my employer. Like I said, I don't think the IT department even knows us users are doing this. They certainly didn't do anything for us to enable it that I am aware of and they aren't getting charged for us like they are for all the officially sanctioned crackberry users.
As others have mentioned, the only thing beyond the 3.0 updates (hardware & software) that I'd really like to see is a built-in file handling app (sort of a mini Finder). I'll probably try one of the third party ones as soon as 3.0 is out though.
since the Iphone supports all the ActiveSync functions like remote wipe, what would you need to do in order to give your IT department the ability to wipe your iphone remotely if they wanted?