Typing kills the iPhone. Add a keyboard to the iPhone and RIM will have their work cut out for them to stay competitive. Security is another issue in corporate situations, which RIM has done quite well.
RIM may be falling behind, but don't discount them yet.
Make the keyboard an add on to the 30-pin port and it is game over. I know Apple wants to keep the one button simplicity and force developers to make apps more elegant, but at some point they need to release their hold on the physical port. Blood glucose meters are great, but should only be the beginning.
Good article. I still think that Nokia will lose market share (smartphones only) simply because of the new players. This is natural. As I said before and will say again, it will be interesting to see how things shake out once Nokia drops the N97 and Apple release 3.0, as well as the other guys. Once the dust clears I suspect Nokia will still be on top separated by only a few percentage points between the rest of the pack.
Also, considering that we are speaking about smartphones only, my question is: "why doesn't Apple have an even larger share if the iPhone is the Jesus Phone?" I go back to my original statement that there are millions of people that simply do not want one and this something that Apple will struggle to overcome, while providing an advantage to the other phone makers.
There's no such thing as a Jesus phone. Apple has done better than expected with this, and I wish people would except that.
While we're in anecdotes. My mother has the original iPhone, she rarely uses the internet and she can go a couple of days without needing a recharge.
As far as the E71, you need to compare a phone with a similar size screen, a similar processor, graphics acceleration, and something similar to Open GL graphics.
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns
Not necessarily true. I can not take any phones into my work areas so my iPhone and my E71 sit outside in a non-classified area. At the end of the day, the iPhone is down considerably more than the E71. It is the way it is. The iPhone is a battery hog.
There's no such thing as a Jesus phone. Apple has done better than expected with this, and I wish people would except that.
If any phone could be compared to Jesus, I think it may be the Palm Pre, but that is only if Palm can make their company actually rise from the grave with this new device.
If any phone could be compared to Jesus, I think it may be the Palm Pre, but that is only if Palm can make their company actually rise from the grave with this new device.
Make the keyboard an add on to the 30-pin port and it is game over. I know Apple wants to keep the one button simplicity and force developers to make apps more elegant, but at some point they need to release their hold on the physical port. Blood glucose meters are great, but should only be the beginning.
With software 3.0 apple apparently is opening the propritary connector(USB) as well as bluetooth for application hooks so that developers may create and connect their peripheral devices (including potentially keyboards, amongst many other innovative possibilites) to the iphone via the open-market.
With software 3.0 apple apparently is opening the propritary connector(USB) as well as bluetooth for application hooks so that developers may create and connect their peripheral devices (including potentially keyboards, amongst many other innovative possibilites) to the iphone via the open-market.
I would think that they will make the OS recognize when a physical keyboard is attached so that the on-screen keyboard doesn't appear. Anyone know if there is an API for this sort of thing, or if it even needs an API for this? This new SDK is really is much bigger the cut/paste, MMS or any other OS feature that was demoed last month.
There's no such thing as a Jesus phone. Apple has done better than expected with this, and I wish people would except that.
I have no problem to accept (or do you mean except?) that Apple has done well. Hell, I have an iPhone but then I am used to using smartphones for many, many years so I am not all a-gogga over the iPhone. It is a competent device for what it does. As I have continued to point out, in specific areas it excels while in other areas (mainly telephony, and messaging) if fails equally as bad. Hopefully 3.0 will address these issues and make the iPhone a true biz like smartphone. Until then, in my opinion it will remain an iPod with phone.
Khm... They don't seem like what you're telling us, Mel...
The interesting thing about the data that those figures are based on is that they come from visitors to WAP sites or more specifically WAP sites that specialize in Java applications.
iPhone users are too busy enjoying the benefits of a full desktop browser (minus proprietry Adobe Flash) to bother with WAP sites especially as they have no need for Java applications.
The interesting thing about the data that those figures are based on is that they come from visitors to WAP sites or more specifically WAP sites that specialize in Java applications.
iPhone users are too busy enjoying the benefits of a full desktop browser (minus proprietry Adobe Flash) to bother with WAP sites especially as they have no need for Java applications.
Lies, lies and statistics.
You mean the browser that is prone to crashes and still can not visit some popular sites? This kind of enjoyment I can do without. The iPhone is a good to great device. It is miles away from being exceptional as are most phones on the market because they are all compromised. There is no one stop shopping phone out there that will meet everyones needs. The iPhone comes close sometimes if you do not require much in the way of telephony services. Nokia comes close if your browsing habits are not too extreme, but you require more in the way of communication functionality. BB the same. There is no magic do all phone.
I was wondering why the results seemed somewhat skewed.
So I followed the link at the bottom of the page:-
"For more information about how we derive these statistics, please click here"
Which seems to be dead at the moment, however a little bit of digging uncovered this
"Guys,
To clarify, below is the origin of GetJar stats. We're transparent about this because stats are a community project and we encourage anyone to contribute. This is how it works:
1) Hundreds of developers go to www.wapalizer.com and include the wapalizer code in their mobile sites. This code provides the owner of the mobile site with information about what handsets are hitting his site on the phone browser. It is very useful information and we encourage anyone with a mobile site to use wapalizer. There is no cost. Wapalizer is free.
2) GetJar consolidates these mobile browsing stats, from hundreds of mobile sites, into the numbers that you see on GetJar Stats (previously www.mobref.com). So, the market share stats on GetJar Stats represent what handsets are being used for mobile browsing, not the actual sales of handsets in the market (since many handsets are not used for mobile browsing). For a mobile developer, it is important to know the market share stats for phones that are used for mobile browsing, because those are the handsets for which a developer should build phone apps and web apps. GetJar's primary reason for being is as a service center for mobile developers, and all of our free tools are designed to help the developer.
So, we encourage everyone to put wapalizer code in your mobile site, in order to make GetJar stats even more accurate.
So the heading of the report (Manufacturer market share (March 2009) is somewhat misleading, a more appropriate title might be "Manufacturer market share (March 2009) based on devices visiting WAP sites specializing in non iPhone software."
Therefore the link you posted is misleading as regards "Manufacturer market share (March 2009)" prompting my Lies, lies and statistics statement
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01
How the hell are these lies worse than lies, which are what people figure out in their blogs
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns
You mean the browser that is prone to crashes and still can not visit some popular sites? This kind of enjoyment I can do without. The iPhone is a good to great device. It is miles away from being exceptional as are most phones on the market because they are all compromised. There is no one stop shopping phone out there that will meet everyones needs. The iPhone comes close sometimes if you do not require much in the way of telephony services. Nokia comes close if your browsing habits are not too extreme, but you require more in the way of communication functionality. BB the same. There is no magic do all phone.
Are you using a jailbroken iPhone?
Since the 2.2.1 update Safari on my iPhone has not crashed once, despite having 4 or 5 pages open in the background at all times.
The only sites the iPhone cant visit are based on Adobe Flash, I wonder why banks and other financial institutions don't use Flash instead of javascript for their banking services?
Apart from being able to do Internet banking I've found the iPhone is the only browser which also let's you set up email and other accounts, without having to "Come back on a desktop PC" to quote the error message from Gmail.
So the heading of the report (Manufacturer market share (March 2009) is somewhat misleading, a more appropriate title might be "Manufacturer market share (March 2009) based on devices visiting WAP sites specializing in non iPhone software."
Therefore the link you posted is misleading as regards "Manufacturer market share (March 2009)" prompting my Lies, lies and statistics statement
True, this is the sum of votes gathered in special crowd. Now that's my turn to say, it's not misleading, it's confusing.
Now I'll show you what is intentionally misleading.
Entire mobile market growth (measured in physical units) is reported to be 3.5% over 2008.
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Typing kills the iPhone. Add a keyboard to the iPhone and RIM will have their work cut out for them to stay competitive. Security is another issue in corporate situations, which RIM has done quite well.
RIM may be falling behind, but don't discount them yet.
Make the keyboard an add on to the 30-pin port and it is game over. I know Apple wants to keep the one button simplicity and force developers to make apps more elegant, but at some point they need to release their hold on the physical port. Blood glucose meters are great, but should only be the beginning.
Good article. I still think that Nokia will lose market share (smartphones only) simply because of the new players. This is natural. As I said before and will say again, it will be interesting to see how things shake out once Nokia drops the N97 and Apple release 3.0, as well as the other guys. Once the dust clears I suspect Nokia will still be on top separated by only a few percentage points between the rest of the pack.
Also, considering that we are speaking about smartphones only, my question is: "why doesn't Apple have an even larger share if the iPhone is the Jesus Phone?" I go back to my original statement that there are millions of people that simply do not want one and this something that Apple will struggle to overcome, while providing an advantage to the other phone makers.
There's no such thing as a Jesus phone. Apple has done better than expected with this, and I wish people would except that.
As far as the E71, you need to compare a phone with a similar size screen, a similar processor, graphics acceleration, and something similar to Open GL graphics.
Not necessarily true. I can not take any phones into my work areas so my iPhone and my E71 sit outside in a non-classified area. At the end of the day, the iPhone is down considerably more than the E71. It is the way it is. The iPhone is a battery hog.
There's no such thing as a Jesus phone. Apple has done better than expected with this, and I wish people would except that.
If any phone could be compared to Jesus, I think it may be the Palm Pre, but that is only if Palm can make their company actually rise from the grave with this new device.
If any phone could be compared to Jesus, I think it may be the Palm Pre, but that is only if Palm can make their company actually rise from the grave with this new device.
If you're Christian, you believe that Jesus rose.
The word's still out on the Pre and Palm.
QuickOffice.....
Make the keyboard an add on to the 30-pin port and it is game over. I know Apple wants to keep the one button simplicity and force developers to make apps more elegant, but at some point they need to release their hold on the physical port. Blood glucose meters are great, but should only be the beginning.
With software 3.0 apple apparently is opening the propritary connector(USB) as well as bluetooth for application hooks so that developers may create and connect their peripheral devices (including potentially keyboards, amongst many other innovative possibilites) to the iphone via the open-market.
With software 3.0 apple apparently is opening the propritary connector(USB) as well as bluetooth for application hooks so that developers may create and connect their peripheral devices (including potentially keyboards, amongst many other innovative possibilites) to the iphone via the open-market.
I would think that they will make the OS recognize when a physical keyboard is attached so that the on-screen keyboard doesn't appear. Anyone know if there is an API for this sort of thing, or if it even needs an API for this? This new SDK is really is much bigger the cut/paste, MMS or any other OS feature that was demoed last month.
There's no such thing as a Jesus phone. Apple has done better than expected with this, and I wish people would except that.
I have no problem to accept (or do you mean except?) that Apple has done well. Hell, I have an iPhone but then I am used to using smartphones for many, many years so I am not all a-gogga over the iPhone. It is a competent device for what it does. As I have continued to point out, in specific areas it excels while in other areas (mainly telephony, and messaging) if fails equally as bad. Hopefully 3.0 will address these issues and make the iPhone a true biz like smartphone. Until then, in my opinion it will remain an iPod with phone.
By the way, I withdraw the Jesus Phone moniker.
You seem to forget that Nokia's been losing significant marketshare around that whole world. They even pulled out of Japan entirely.
Nokia is retrenching. As long as they rely on Symbian, they're a lost cause.
Khm... They don't seem like what you're telling us, Mel...
Khm... They don't seem like what you're telling us, Mel...
Interesting. This just in: http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/00...lion_units.htm
Interesting. This just in: http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/00...lion_units.htm
They enjoy pretty good momentum gained over past 20 years, holy juggernauts...
They enjoy pretty good momentum gained over past 20 years, holy juggernauts...
Either way this is good new for consumers regardless of which brand loyalties one posesses.
Either way this is good new for consumers regardless of which brand loyalties one posesses.
possibly so...
Khm... They don't seem like what you're telling us, Mel...
The interesting thing about the data that those figures are based on is that they come from visitors to WAP sites or more specifically WAP sites that specialize in Java applications.
iPhone users are too busy enjoying the benefits of a full desktop browser (minus proprietry Adobe Flash) to bother with WAP sites especially as they have no need for Java applications.
Lies, lies and statistics.
Lies, lies and statistics.
How the hell are these lies worse than lies, which are what people figure out in their blogs
The interesting thing about the data that those figures are based on is that they come from visitors to WAP sites or more specifically WAP sites that specialize in Java applications.
iPhone users are too busy enjoying the benefits of a full desktop browser (minus proprietry Adobe Flash) to bother with WAP sites especially as they have no need for Java applications.
Lies, lies and statistics.
You mean the browser that is prone to crashes and still can not visit some popular sites? This kind of enjoyment I can do without. The iPhone is a good to great device. It is miles away from being exceptional as are most phones on the market because they are all compromised. There is no one stop shopping phone out there that will meet everyones needs. The iPhone comes close sometimes if you do not require much in the way of telephony services. Nokia comes close if your browsing habits are not too extreme, but you require more in the way of communication functionality. BB the same. There is no magic do all phone.
http://stats.getjar.com/statistics/
"Manufacturer market share (March 2009) '
I was wondering why the results seemed somewhat skewed.
So I followed the link at the bottom of the page:-
"For more information about how we derive these statistics, please click here"
Which seems to be dead at the moment, however a little bit of digging uncovered this
"Guys,
To clarify, below is the origin of GetJar stats. We're transparent about this because stats are a community project and we encourage anyone to contribute. This is how it works:
1) Hundreds of developers go to www.wapalizer.com and include the wapalizer code in their mobile sites. This code provides the owner of the mobile site with information about what handsets are hitting his site on the phone browser. It is very useful information and we encourage anyone with a mobile site to use wapalizer. There is no cost. Wapalizer is free.
2) GetJar consolidates these mobile browsing stats, from hundreds of mobile sites, into the numbers that you see on GetJar Stats (previously www.mobref.com). So, the market share stats on GetJar Stats represent what handsets are being used for mobile browsing, not the actual sales of handsets in the market (since many handsets are not used for mobile browsing). For a mobile developer, it is important to know the market share stats for phones that are used for mobile browsing, because those are the handsets for which a developer should build phone apps and web apps. GetJar's primary reason for being is as a service center for mobile developers, and all of our free tools are designed to help the developer.
So, we encourage everyone to put wapalizer code in your mobile site, in order to make GetJar stats even more accurate.
Thanks!
Bill"
Source:-
http://forum.getjar.com/discussions/...t_Share_in_US/
So the heading of the report (Manufacturer market share (March 2009) is somewhat misleading, a more appropriate title might be "Manufacturer market share (March 2009) based on devices visiting WAP sites specializing in non iPhone software."
Therefore the link you posted is misleading as regards "Manufacturer market share (March 2009)" prompting my Lies, lies and statistics statement
How the hell are these lies worse than lies, which are what people figure out in their blogs
You mean the browser that is prone to crashes and still can not visit some popular sites? This kind of enjoyment I can do without. The iPhone is a good to great device. It is miles away from being exceptional as are most phones on the market because they are all compromised. There is no one stop shopping phone out there that will meet everyones needs. The iPhone comes close sometimes if you do not require much in the way of telephony services. Nokia comes close if your browsing habits are not too extreme, but you require more in the way of communication functionality. BB the same. There is no magic do all phone.
Are you using a jailbroken iPhone?
Since the 2.2.1 update Safari on my iPhone has not crashed once, despite having 4 or 5 pages open in the background at all times.
The only sites the iPhone cant visit are based on Adobe Flash, I wonder why banks and other financial institutions don't use Flash instead of javascript for their banking services?
Apart from being able to do Internet banking I've found the iPhone is the only browser which also let's you set up email and other accounts, without having to "Come back on a desktop PC" to quote the error message from Gmail.
So the heading of the report (Manufacturer market share (March 2009) is somewhat misleading, a more appropriate title might be "Manufacturer market share (March 2009) based on devices visiting WAP sites specializing in non iPhone software."
Therefore the link you posted is misleading as regards "Manufacturer market share (March 2009)" prompting my Lies, lies and statistics statement
True, this is the sum of votes gathered in special crowd. Now that's my turn to say, it's not misleading, it's confusing.
Now I'll show you what is intentionally misleading.
Entire mobile market growth (measured in physical units) is reported to be 3.5% over 2008.
Nokia's production growth (measured in physical units) is reported to be 7.2%.
7.2 > 3.5. Whence Nokia's market share grew over the year. It is intentionally misleading to ignore that and to focus on Q4 results.
True, this is the sum of votes gathered in special crowd. Now that's my turn to say, it's not misleading, it's confusing.
Now I'll show you what is intentionally misleading.
Entire mobile market growth (measured in physical units) is reported to be 3.5% over 2008.
Nokia's production growth (measured in physical units) is reported to be 7.2%.
7.2 > 3.5. Whence Nokia's market share grew over the year. It is intentionally misleading to ignore that and to focus on Q4 results.
But where has that growth been?
And what has the effect been to Nokia's bottom line of selling a larger volume of lower priced handsets?
Apple (and RIM) may sell less handsets but as was pointed out before they are all in the most profitable segment of the market.
btw, the top three handsets according to the Getjar site are these:-
http://stats.getjar.com/device/Nokia/3110c
http://stats.getjar.com/device/Nokia/N70-1
http://stats.getjar.com/device/Nokia/6600
It seems that newer smartphone's have moved on, away from WAP.