<strong>Just visited my local CompUSA. I asked the manager about new mac systems. Aside from the flat panel Imac, he stated Apple was coming out with a dual 1Ghz tower, with 512 MB ram, 120 GB hd, lots of software - for about $3500.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If so, the high end (single) G4e should clock up to 1.13 Ghz.
If this is a 0.18 micron SOI, it seems pretty reasonable.
I agree. There's something that just doesn't make sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, it would make sense if the speeds were:
1.0, 1.2, Dual 1.0.
But it doesn't seem likely. No way this guy knows this....Apple employees don't even know what is coming out....I'm talking Apple SALES PEOPLE. When I ordered my Pismo the day the came out, the guy said "it sure was exciting to come to work this morning and see all the new products".
Steve runs a damn Iron Curtain like ship over there. CompUsa...ROTFL.
But it doesn't seem likely. No way this guy knows this....Apple employees don't even know what is coming out....I'm talking Apple SALES PEOPLE. When I ordered my Pismo the day the came out, the guy said "it sure was exciting to come to work this morning and see all the new products".
Steve runs a damn Iron Curtain like ship over there. CompUsa...ROTFL.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, you're right. If those were the speeds then it would make sense.
HOLY SHIT! If the top fo the line is the 1.13ghz single and the Dual 1.ghz is the middle one at $3500, WTF would the top cost!?!?!?
FuukME! Something doesn't sound right or Apple has lost their damn mind.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I meant: Top end G4 _CPU_ could problably reach 1.13 Ghz using _0.18_ and SOI. (SOI adds about 20 % speed-imprevement. Of course: If Motorola is able to make 0.13 micron G4s, the G4 would clock higher. )
But the top end G4 Apple Powermac would probably be a dual 1 Ghz, and a single 1.13 Ghz in the middle.
Just like today: The high end G4 from Motorola is 866, but the high end Powermac is a dual 800..
I used to be the Mac Rep at my local Comp USA, and that post about the manager knowing is total BS. Comp USA gets their system specs through their main computers/point-of-sales network, and the newest Macs only appear in the system until AFTER they are announced by Steve Jobs himself. I mean, damn, if I could see what was new by searching Comp USA's system when I worked there, I could have seen the iBook's specs, the original G4's, and many others!
I have also interned at Apple, and previous posts are right: it IS an iron curtain out there. Teams work in "silos" and only know what they need to know in order to carry out their project efficiently. For example, the people I worked with had no clue about the new iBook when it was released in May, and I was on campus the day Steve unveiled it, watching the presentation in Cafe Macs with hundreds of other employees! Everyone was blown away, (well, except for the iBook team and Johnny Ive, who I actually saw quite a bit in the Cafe <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> )
My point is, there is no way that some bumbling Comp USA manager is going to know the specs of Apple's next PowerMac unless he works for Apple, or somehow has an extremely close relationship with the PowerMac engineering team.
well let's try a prediction (estimed fiability : 5 % )
LCD imac, with IBM chips inside, the 750 fx at only one speed 800 mhz, various type of HD and choice of CDrom our DVD rom or combo and various amount of memory.
low end :
CD rom player, 30 GB HD prize : 1500 $ 128 Mb ram (unfortunetaly)
middle : DVD rom, 40 GB HD 256 Mb ram : 1700 $
hig end : 60 GB HD, 256 MB ram and combo : prise 1900 $
Powermac G4 with appolo chips ranging from 933 to 1,13 ghz
single 933 mhz
dual 1 ghz
single 1,13 ghz.
Minor changes to the mobo, still not DDR Ram (only for the G5 when they will came), ata 100 and perhaps FW2.
Ibook at 700 mhz unstead of 600 mhz. Radeon mobility card in it.
powerbook, small speed bump using the 7441 chip, 866 mhz, and 667 mhz , all machines with 133 mhz bus.
then: invite guests to show off Mac apps (maybe PS?)
then: announce new hardware
iMac TFT G4 667 CD
iMac TFT G4 733 DVD or CDR or combo
iMac TFT G4 867 DVD-R
then: announce new PowerMac G4s/G5s
then: announce new screens. There have been too many monitor promotions to not exclude a new lineup or revision. Maybe new monitors needed to match NEW ENCLOSURES?
i care about the imac cause thats a huge seller for apple but im more worried about the powermacs because i buy for use in my digital recording studio. pessimistic predictions:
PowerMac G4 867mhz
DDR RAM: 256MB
HD: 40 gig 7,200rpm ATA 133
GeForce 2 32MB
Optical Drive: CD-RW / DVD combo
USB 2.0
Firewire 2 (gigawire?)
10/100/1000 ethernet
$1699
PowerMac G4 933mhz
DDR RAM: 512MB
HD: 60 gig 7,200rpm ATA 133
GeForce 2 Twin View
Optical Drive: Superdrive
USB 2.0
Firewire 2 (gigawire?)
10/100/1000 ethernet
$2499
PowerMac G4 1+ghz
DDR RAM: 1024MB
HD: 80gig 7,200rpm ATA 133
GeForce 3
Optical Drive: Superdrive
USB 2.0
Firewire 2 (gigawire?)
10/100/1000 ethernet
$3499
Reasoning for certain things:
G4 - i dont believe the G5 is ready despite rumors. I think MWSF is only the GHZ roof breaking day.
Faster bus & DDR ram: Its time. Apple knows.
Optical drive: im still not certain there will be enough profit margin for apple for the low end machines if they drop in a superdrive. i may be wrong because steve said he wanted a superdrive in the imacs in 2002 (i remember them discussing that over a streaming financial meeting thing webcast)
As the Apple Turns (recently the best rumor source) posted this yesterday:
"So here's what the crystal revealed: as we suspected, the PowerPC G5 won't be making an appearance (not for another six months, anyway), and instead, we'll get faster Power Mac G4s starting at 933 MHz and punching well past the gigahertz barrier. The long-awaited flat-panel iMac is a definite go, though the specs are fuzzy-- although we do see the nearly-as-long-awaited "iPhoto" consumer image-editing app coming along for the ride, and it looks to be sort of like Mac OS X's "Image Capture" application on steroids and dipped in a pretty iCandy coating. Speaking of Mac OS X, there was a definite vibe that January 7th would constitute the official switchover; as of that date, upon first boot, owners of all new Macs will be greeted with the pleasing contours of Aqua. As for an iBook revision to keep things on par with the new iMac, the crystal says no, but hints at an update in Tokyo. All in all, vague but satisfying."
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If it is true it is a very bad news....
133 speed bump in 6 month how amazed I am..
Too sad
<strong>Just visited my local CompUSA. I asked the manager about new mac systems. Aside from the flat panel Imac, he stated Apple was coming out with a dual 1Ghz tower, with 512 MB ram, 120 GB hd, lots of software - for about $3500.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If so, the high end (single) G4e should clock up to 1.13 Ghz.
If this is a 0.18 micron SOI, it seems pretty reasonable.
What about the mother board??
is the DDR implemented? any clue about the frontside bus frequency?
<strong>
If so, the high end (single) G4e should clock up to 1.13 Ghz.
If this is a 0.18 micron SOI, it seems pretty reasonable.</strong><hr></blockquote>
HOLY SHIT! If the top fo the line is the 1.13ghz single and the Dual 1.ghz is the middle one at $3500, WTF would the top cost!?!?!?
FuukME! Something doesn't sound right or Apple has lost their damn mind.
<strong>
HOLY SHIT! If the top fo the line is the 1.13ghz single and the Dual 1.ghz is the middle one at $3500, WTF would the top cost!?!?!?
FuukME! Something doesn't sound right or Apple has lost their damn mind.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. There's something that just doesn't make sense.
<strong>
I agree. There's something that just doesn't make sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, it would make sense if the speeds were:
1.0, 1.2, Dual 1.0.
But it doesn't seem likely. No way this guy knows this....Apple employees don't even know what is coming out....I'm talking Apple SALES PEOPLE. When I ordered my Pismo the day the came out, the guy said "it sure was exciting to come to work this morning and see all the new products".
Steve runs a damn Iron Curtain like ship over there. CompUsa...ROTFL.
<strong>
Well, it would make sense if the speeds were:
1.0, 1.2, Dual 1.0.
But it doesn't seem likely. No way this guy knows this....Apple employees don't even know what is coming out....I'm talking Apple SALES PEOPLE. When I ordered my Pismo the day the came out, the guy said "it sure was exciting to come to work this morning and see all the new products".
Steve runs a damn Iron Curtain like ship over there. CompUsa...ROTFL.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, you're right. If those were the speeds then it would make sense.
<strong>
HOLY SHIT! If the top fo the line is the 1.13ghz single and the Dual 1.ghz is the middle one at $3500, WTF would the top cost!?!?!?
FuukME! Something doesn't sound right or Apple has lost their damn mind.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I meant: Top end G4 _CPU_ could problably reach 1.13 Ghz using _0.18_ and SOI. (SOI adds about 20 % speed-imprevement. Of course: If Motorola is able to make 0.13 micron G4s, the G4 would clock higher. )
But the top end G4 Apple Powermac would probably be a dual 1 Ghz, and a single 1.13 Ghz in the middle.
Just like today: The high end G4 from Motorola is 866, but the high end Powermac is a dual 800..
[ 12-09-2001: Message edited by: blabla ]</p>
I have also interned at Apple, and previous posts are right: it IS an iron curtain out there. Teams work in "silos" and only know what they need to know in order to carry out their project efficiently. For example, the people I worked with had no clue about the new iBook when it was released in May, and I was on campus the day Steve unveiled it, watching the presentation in Cafe Macs with hundreds of other employees! Everyone was blown away, (well, except for the iBook team and Johnny Ive, who I actually saw quite a bit in the Cafe <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> )
My point is, there is no way that some bumbling Comp USA manager is going to know the specs of Apple's next PowerMac unless he works for Apple, or somehow has an extremely close relationship with the PowerMac engineering team.
Thank god because if the top of the line was a dual 1ghz this show (MWSF) would suck. Only a 133 mhz increase in 6 fricking months!?
[edit wrong show]
[ 12-09-2001: Message edited by: KidRed ]</p>
<strong>I hereby declare that if a G5 is released at MWSF 2002, I will eat something that most people would agree is unpalatable.
- Pook</strong><hr></blockquote>
I want pictures!!!! *Just kidding!!*
933 and 1.1
Dual G4:
between 867 and 933
QUAD G4:
between 800 and 933
LCD imac, with IBM chips inside, the 750 fx at only one speed 800 mhz, various type of HD and choice of CDrom our DVD rom or combo and various amount of memory.
low end :
CD rom player, 30 GB HD prize : 1500 $ 128 Mb ram (unfortunetaly)
middle : DVD rom, 40 GB HD 256 Mb ram : 1700 $
hig end : 60 GB HD, 256 MB ram and combo : prise 1900 $
Powermac G4 with appolo chips ranging from 933 to 1,13 ghz
single 933 mhz
dual 1 ghz
single 1,13 ghz.
Minor changes to the mobo, still not DDR Ram (only for the G5 when they will came), ata 100 and perhaps FW2.
Ibook at 700 mhz unstead of 600 mhz. Radeon mobility card in it.
powerbook, small speed bump using the 7441 chip, 866 mhz, and 667 mhz , all machines with 133 mhz bus.
then: invite guests to show off Mac apps (maybe PS?)
then: announce new hardware
iMac TFT G4 667 CD
iMac TFT G4 733 DVD or CDR or combo
iMac TFT G4 867 DVD-R
then: announce new PowerMac G4s/G5s
then: announce new screens. There have been too many monitor promotions to not exclude a new lineup or revision. Maybe new monitors needed to match NEW ENCLOSURES?
PowerMac G4 867mhz
DDR RAM: 256MB
HD: 40 gig 7,200rpm ATA 133
GeForce 2 32MB
Optical Drive: CD-RW / DVD combo
USB 2.0
Firewire 2 (gigawire?)
10/100/1000 ethernet
$1699
PowerMac G4 933mhz
DDR RAM: 512MB
HD: 60 gig 7,200rpm ATA 133
GeForce 2 Twin View
Optical Drive: Superdrive
USB 2.0
Firewire 2 (gigawire?)
10/100/1000 ethernet
$2499
PowerMac G4 1+ghz
DDR RAM: 1024MB
HD: 80gig 7,200rpm ATA 133
GeForce 3
Optical Drive: Superdrive
USB 2.0
Firewire 2 (gigawire?)
10/100/1000 ethernet
$3499
Reasoning for certain things:
G4 - i dont believe the G5 is ready despite rumors. I think MWSF is only the GHZ roof breaking day.
Faster bus & DDR ram: Its time. Apple knows.
Optical drive: im still not certain there will be enough profit margin for apple for the low end machines if they drop in a superdrive. i may be wrong because steve said he wanted a superdrive in the imacs in 2002 (i remember them discussing that over a streaming financial meeting thing webcast)
Thats just my $0.02
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
But it's still depressing to not se 1.2ghz + speeds
"So here's what the crystal revealed: as we suspected, the PowerPC G5 won't be making an appearance (not for another six months, anyway), and instead, we'll get faster Power Mac G4s starting at 933 MHz and punching well past the gigahertz barrier. The long-awaited flat-panel iMac is a definite go, though the specs are fuzzy-- although we do see the nearly-as-long-awaited "iPhoto" consumer image-editing app coming along for the ride, and it looks to be sort of like Mac OS X's "Image Capture" application on steroids and dipped in a pretty iCandy coating. Speaking of Mac OS X, there was a definite vibe that January 7th would constitute the official switchover; as of that date, upon first boot, owners of all new Macs will be greeted with the pleasing contours of Aqua. As for an iBook revision to keep things on par with the new iMac, the crystal says no, but hints at an update in Tokyo. All in all, vague but satisfying."
Add DDR RAM and I'd be satisfied.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: gfeier ]</p>
933 MHz G4
- 512 MB of DDR RAM
- 40 GB HD
- CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo (Superdrive Optional)
- USB 2
- FireWire 2
- GigaWire
- $1699
1 GHz G4- 768 MB of DDR RAM
- 60 GB HD
- SuperDrive
- USB 2
- FireWire 2
- GigaWire
- $1999
1.2 GHz G4- 1 GB of DDR RAM
- 80 GB HD
- SuperDrive
- USB 2
- FireWire 2
- GigaWire
- $2499
Dual 1 GHz G4- 1.5 GB of DDR RAM
- 100 GB HD
- SuperDrive
- USB 2
- FireWire 2
- GigaWire
- $2999
iMac867 MHz G3
- 15" LCD Display
- 256 MB of RAM
- 30 GB HD
- DVD-ROM Drive
- USB 2
- FireWire 2
- GigaWire(?)
- $999
933 MHz G3- 15" LCD Display
- 384 MB of RAM
- 40 GB HD
- CD-RW Drive
- USB 2
- FireWire 2
- GigaWire(?)
- $1299
1 GHz G3- 15" LCD Display
- 512 MB of RAM
- 60 GB HD
- CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo
- USB 2
- FireWire 2
- GigaWire(?)
- $1499
Displays- 17" - $599
- 19" - $999
- 22" - $1999
- 27" - $3999
ONE MORE THING!Newton 2
- iPoddish design
- Newton OS X v1.0
[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: MacAgent ]</p>It's not much, and I'm sure Jonathan Ive could make it much better, but that's the basic idea. Buttons and port are on top like the iPod.