I don't see the N97 as affecting the iPhone's sales much, if at all.
It's a totally different kind of phone, for a completely different kind of person.
It's big and clumsy. I don't know what the weight is, but it looks as though it's heavier.
It's more for the techie market than for the type of buyers Apple has.
That doesn't mean it won't do ok, but it's like Mercedes and BMW, you would think that a new model of one would take sales from the other but it doesn't. They are two different kinds of people. Buyers of one almost never buy the other.
Yes, I know, you're different, and may have both. but that's very rare.
Hi melgross,
You in many ways as well as one or to others are the moderate voice of reason on this site. You are correct, the N97 is designed for a different market and is in no way an iPhone competitor. I can also say after playing with it, that it is not a clumsy device. The keyboard comes out and locks into place with confidence and is stable. The on screen widgets are very cool to use and this alone blows the iPhone away. The iPhone needs the higher powered processor for sure but Symbian has been optimized over time and is very efficient in its operation.
Apple will never overtake Nokia simply for the fact that I mentioned: not everyone wants an iPhone. Pure and simple, but literally tens of millions if not more want Nokia phones. The fact that the 5800XM did so well, should be an indicator that the N97, while being more expensive, will probably outsell the iPhone.
Yes, I am different in that I have multiple devices. I change phones about every 6 months. MAX! My friends love it as they get great deals and great phones. I gave my daughter my iPhone finally and have to admit, other than the few video shows I purchased I do not miss it. I use my E75 for almost everything, from music player to vid podcast and movie player. If someone can come up with a way to rip DRM from my current iTunes store purchases, I would probably never purchase another iPod/iPhone again.
I can also say after playing with it, that it is not a clumsy device. The keyboard comes out and locks into place with confidence and is stable.
It may be stable and gives feeling of quality when it is new, but I suspect after a couple of years' abuse, it might look like out of place. One of my friends has a N95, which was introduced as Nokia's flagship product a couple of years ago, but the keyboard is completely unusable after just one year. I doubt iPhone's on-screen keyboard will suffer from such problem.
Firstly, I absolutely love Apple and their products.
My iPhone was replaced only the other day because the glue came off the volume rocker switch and it fell off. The phone also had the "dock connector crack" (this had started appearing in August 08 and I bought a 3G on launch day).
Took it to the Apple Store and it was replaced no questions asked. Awesome service.
thats awesome service...
NO ONE IS QUESTIONING THE SERVICE.
we are QUESTIONING THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT.
iPhone 3G = HORRIBLE BUILD QUALITY lol
glue comes off a button??!?! LOL crack? LOL thats built real well!
It may be stable and gives feeling of quality when it is new, but I suspect after a couple of years' abuse, it might look like out of place. One of my friends has a N95, which was introduced as Nokia's flagship product a couple of years ago, but the keyboard is completely unusable after just one year. I doubt iPhone's on-screen keyboard will suffer from such problem.
Maybe it will be stable, maybe not but I also know that the original slider mechanism from Nokia was replaced and a more stable version installed. So who can say.
You in many ways as well as one or to others are the moderate voice of reason on this site. You are correct, the N97 is designed for a different market and is in no way an iPhone competitor. I can also say after playing with it, that it is not a clumsy device. The keyboard comes out and locks into place with confidence and is stable. The on screen widgets are very cool to use and this alone blows the iPhone away. The iPhone needs the higher powered processor for sure but Symbian has been optimized over time and is very efficient in its operation.
Apple will never overtake Nokia simply for the fact that I mentioned: not everyone wants an iPhone. Pure and simple, but literally tens of millions if not more want Nokia phones. The fact that the 5800XM did so well, should be an indicator that the N97, while being more expensive, will probably outsell the iPhone.
Yes, I am different in that I have multiple devices. I change phones about every 6 months. MAX! My friends love it as they get great deals and great phones. I gave my daughter my iPhone finally and have to admit, other than the few video shows I purchased I do not miss it. I use my E75 for almost everything, from music player to vid podcast and movie player. If someone can come up with a way to rip DRM from my current iTunes store purchases, I would probably never purchase another iPod/iPhone again.
Don't forget though, that we did have a disagreement about those 5800 numbers, which turned out to be 3 million rather than the 13 million that was thought to have been claimed. So it did well, but not startling well.
I'm not so confident that the N97 will do better than the iPhone. I think it will do well in certain areas, and they will certainly sell several million over the course of a year, but the iPhone may sell close to 20 million units this year (2009, inclusive), and possibly (esp if the economy takes off somewhat in 2010) 30 million next year. I don't see the N97 by itself, coming close to those numbers.
Don't forget though, that we did have a disagreement about those 5800 numbers, which turned out to be 3 million rather than the 13 million that was thought to have been claimed. So it did well, but not startling well.
I'm not so confident that the N97 will do better than the iPhone. I think it will do well in certain areas, and they will certainly sell several million over the course of a year, but the iPhone may sell close to 20 million units this year (2009, inclusive), and possibly (esp if the economy takes off somewhat in 2010) 30 million next year. I don't see the N97 by itself, coming close to those numbers.
Actually we did not have an argument to much as me posting the original article and then they posted a retraction, and others filled in the blanks. I have no truck with the 3 million. Not bad for a first time device in a first few months of sales.
I think the N97 will do better simply because of the installed customer base. Nokia has millions more customers that will gravitate towards the N97 who have been waiting for it. The iPhone customer base will be basically getting more of the same device with different software and maybe a camera or two.
Either way, I will probably get both so I am supporting them.
Actually we did not have an argument to much as me posting the original article and then they posted a retraction, and others filled in the blanks. I have no truck with the 3 million. Not bad for a first time device in a first few months of sales.
I think the N97 will do better simply because of the installed customer base. Nokia has millions more customers that will gravitate towards the N97 who have been waiting for it. The iPhone customer base will be basically getting more of the same device with different software and maybe a camera or two.
Either way, I will probably get both so I am supporting them.
I suppose I should have said disagreement. I just think of the word argument as in; "presenting your argument".
What will be both the unlocked price and the supported price be? Do you know that yet? I remember the N95 here was going for an unholy price as an unlocked phone. I think it was $850 at first.
I suppose I should have said disagreement. I just think of the word argument as in; "presenting your argument".
What will be both the unlocked price and the supported price be? Do you know that yet? I remember the N95 here was going for an unholy price as an unlocked phone. I think it was $850 at first.
I know for sure the N97 will be unlocked. The current price is more or less ?600, but it can go up or down depending on the seller. No one here purchases at the Nokia shops. They all go electronic or retail shops.
The iPhone will most likely be locked, but we have an arrangement with our suppliers that if we have to leave the country, and provide orders show so, they will unlock the phone once the remaining balance on a two year contract is paid. I am curious to see how things are going to happen here in Finland as Sonera had a massive wave of iPhone contract cancellations. People are pissed off about having to be locked into a contract. Finns are pretty crazy when it comes to phones.
I know for sure the N97 will be unlocked. The current price is more or less ?600, but it can go up or down depending on the seller. No one here purchases at the Nokia shops. They all go electronic or retail shops.
The iPhone will most likely be locked, but we have an arrangement with our suppliers that if we have to leave the country, and provide orders show so, they will unlock the phone once the remaining balance on a two year contract is paid. I am curious to see how things are going to happen here in Finland as Sonera had a massive wave of iPhone contract cancellations. People are pissed off about having to be locked into a contract. Finns are pretty crazy when it comes to phones.
Before the iphone was launched in Finland --- didn't you state that you had arrangements to get the unlocking code for your iphone immediately?
People shouldn't be pissed off that they are locked into a contract --- they should be pissed off that there is no such thing as a reasonable ETF cancellation fee to get out of contract. If I have to pay the remaining balance on a two year contract as a ETF in order to get out of the contract, I would be pissed off at that.
Before the iphone was launched in Finland --- didn't you state that you had arrangements to get the unlocking code for your iphone immediately?
People shouldn't be pissed off that they are locked into a contract --- they should be pissed off that there is no such thing as a reasonable ETF cancellation fee to get out of contract. If I have to pay the remaining balance on a two year contract as a ETF in order to get out of the contract, I would be pissed off at that.
Wait. Are you asking a question when you left unanswered my question about being banned or how you know for sure what I am doing with my tethered unlimited data contract is not allowed?
Until you can get around to answering these, do not bother addressing me at all and talk to the hand.
Wait. Are you asking a question when you left unanswered my question about being banned or how you know for sure what I am doing with my tethered unlimited data contract is not allowed?
Until you can get around to answering these, do not bother addressing me at all and talk to the hand.
It is impossible to know whether an action is allowed or not --- I am not a lawyer practicing in Finland, neither are you. Just because the carrier isn't cancelling your contract or charging you thousands of dollars on a per kilobyte charge doesn't mean that it's perfectly legal. 99.9999% of us can jaywalk in front of a cop and not get a ticket for jaywalking --- doesn't mean that jaywalking is legal.
Go ahead and log on to your old account and reply on this thread. That will shut me (and the rest of the world) up for good on the topic of whether you were banned or not.
It is impossible to know whether an action is allowed or not --- I am not a lawyer practicing in Finland, neither are you. Just because the carrier isn't cancelling your contract or charging you thousands of dollars on a per kilobyte charge doesn't mean that it's perfectly legal. 99.9999% of us can jaywalk in front of a cop and not get a ticket for jaywalking --- doesn't mean that jaywalking is legal.
Go ahead and log on to your old account and reply on this thread. That will shut me (and the rest of the world) up for good on the topic of whether you were banned or not.
Just realized they have a feature here that I did not think about. It is called: "ignore". Normally I do not use this but being as you are special, I decided to splurge a bit and put you on my ignore list. Bye.....
I know for sure the N97 will be unlocked. The current price is more or less ?600, but it can go up or down depending on the seller. No one here purchases at the Nokia shops. They all go electronic or retail shops.
The iPhone will most likely be locked, but we have an arrangement with our suppliers that if we have to leave the country, and provide orders show so, they will unlock the phone once the remaining balance on a two year contract is paid. I am curious to see how things are going to happen here in Finland as Sonera had a massive wave of iPhone contract cancellations. People are pissed off about having to be locked into a contract. Finns are pretty crazy when it comes to phones.
Finns can't be so dumb as to lock themselves into a contract, and then say; Hey, I locked myself into a contract, I think I'll cancel.
Or are they? They do know in advance.
I can't believe that the iPhone is the only phone in Finland that has a contract.
Finns can't be so dumb as to lock themselves into a contract, and then say; Hey, I locked myself into a contract, I think I'll cancel.
Or are they? They do know in advance.
I can't believe that the iPhone is the only phone in Finland that has a contract.
The prevailing thought as far as I can gather is that some people, hell many people wanted an iPhone. They did not like the rules of the game from the beginning but realized that to get the phone, they would be stuck with the contract. Sooo, get the phone, cancel the contract and send a nice fat "Screw you" to Sonera in the process. The N97 will be offered in contracted subscriptions. All phones here are but hardly anyone takes them, but the operator (Sonera) will allow you to payout the remainder of a 1 or 2 year contract and then be unlocked.
The prevailing thought as far as I can gather is that some people, hell many people wanted an iPhone. They did not like the rules of the game from the beginning but realized that to get the phone, they would be stuck with the contract. Sooo, get the phone, cancel the contract and send a nice fat "Screw you" to Sonera in the process. The N97 will be offered in contracted subscriptions. All phones here are but hardly anyone takes them, but the operator (Sonera) will allow you to payout the remainder of a 1 or 2 year contract and then be unlocked.
That just sounds strange. If they cancel, don't they then have to give the phone back if they haven't had the contract for some minimum time?
The iPhone is the only phone not part of the payout deal. You are stuck for 2 years.
So earlier, when you said they were getting the iPhone and contract, then canceling the contract to tell Sonora "screw you", they were screwing themselves as well. No contract, no phone, and then, what about the cancellation fee? Or are there no fees there?
So what will they have accomplished? Sonora will correctly think they're loopy.
So earlier, when you said they were getting the iPhone and contract, then canceling the contract to tell Sonora "screw you", they were screwing themselves as well. No contract, no phone, and then, what about the cancellation fee? Or are there no fees there?
So what will they have accomplished? Sonora will correctly think they're loopy.
Maybe I did not explain correctly. They cancel the contract, but it stays active for the length of the contract. Once 2 years is over the phone is unlocked. There is no cancellation fee, or penalties. Here people flip contracts left and right. No fees, etc... Some people even go so far as to purchase a phone on contract, pay a few months at the lower subsidized fee and then pay it out to get the phone. We did this with the last ambassador that was here. We ordered 10 3G USB modems under the stipulation that we cancel when we need to. It was not a problem.
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I don't see the N97 as affecting the iPhone's sales much, if at all.
It's a totally different kind of phone, for a completely different kind of person.
It's big and clumsy. I don't know what the weight is, but it looks as though it's heavier.
It's more for the techie market than for the type of buyers Apple has.
That doesn't mean it won't do ok, but it's like Mercedes and BMW, you would think that a new model of one would take sales from the other but it doesn't. They are two different kinds of people. Buyers of one almost never buy the other.
Yes, I know, you're different, and may have both. but that's very rare.
Hi melgross,
You in many ways as well as one or to others are the moderate voice of reason on this site. You are correct, the N97 is designed for a different market and is in no way an iPhone competitor. I can also say after playing with it, that it is not a clumsy device. The keyboard comes out and locks into place with confidence and is stable. The on screen widgets are very cool to use and this alone blows the iPhone away. The iPhone needs the higher powered processor for sure but Symbian has been optimized over time and is very efficient in its operation.
Apple will never overtake Nokia simply for the fact that I mentioned: not everyone wants an iPhone. Pure and simple, but literally tens of millions if not more want Nokia phones. The fact that the 5800XM did so well, should be an indicator that the N97, while being more expensive, will probably outsell the iPhone.
Yes, I am different in that I have multiple devices. I change phones about every 6 months. MAX! My friends love it as they get great deals and great phones. I gave my daughter my iPhone finally and have to admit, other than the few video shows I purchased I do not miss it. I use my E75 for almost everything, from music player to vid podcast and movie player. If someone can come up with a way to rip DRM from my current iTunes store purchases, I would probably never purchase another iPod/iPhone again.
Hi melgross,
I can also say after playing with it, that it is not a clumsy device. The keyboard comes out and locks into place with confidence and is stable.
It may be stable and gives feeling of quality when it is new, but I suspect after a couple of years' abuse, it might look like out of place. One of my friends has a N95, which was introduced as Nokia's flagship product a couple of years ago, but the keyboard is completely unusable after just one year. I doubt iPhone's on-screen keyboard will suffer from such problem.
Firstly, I absolutely love Apple and their products.
My iPhone was replaced only the other day because the glue came off the volume rocker switch and it fell off. The phone also had the "dock connector crack" (this had started appearing in August 08 and I bought a 3G on launch day).
Took it to the Apple Store and it was replaced no questions asked. Awesome service.
thats awesome service...
NO ONE IS QUESTIONING THE SERVICE.
we are QUESTIONING THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT.
iPhone 3G = HORRIBLE BUILD QUALITY lol
glue comes off a button??!?! LOL crack? LOL thats built real well!
It may be stable and gives feeling of quality when it is new, but I suspect after a couple of years' abuse, it might look like out of place. One of my friends has a N95, which was introduced as Nokia's flagship product a couple of years ago, but the keyboard is completely unusable after just one year. I doubt iPhone's on-screen keyboard will suffer from such problem.
Maybe it will be stable, maybe not but I also know that the original slider mechanism from Nokia was replaced and a more stable version installed. So who can say.
Hi melgross,
You in many ways as well as one or to others are the moderate voice of reason on this site. You are correct, the N97 is designed for a different market and is in no way an iPhone competitor. I can also say after playing with it, that it is not a clumsy device. The keyboard comes out and locks into place with confidence and is stable. The on screen widgets are very cool to use and this alone blows the iPhone away. The iPhone needs the higher powered processor for sure but Symbian has been optimized over time and is very efficient in its operation.
Apple will never overtake Nokia simply for the fact that I mentioned: not everyone wants an iPhone. Pure and simple, but literally tens of millions if not more want Nokia phones. The fact that the 5800XM did so well, should be an indicator that the N97, while being more expensive, will probably outsell the iPhone.
Yes, I am different in that I have multiple devices. I change phones about every 6 months. MAX! My friends love it as they get great deals and great phones. I gave my daughter my iPhone finally and have to admit, other than the few video shows I purchased I do not miss it. I use my E75 for almost everything, from music player to vid podcast and movie player. If someone can come up with a way to rip DRM from my current iTunes store purchases, I would probably never purchase another iPod/iPhone again.
Don't forget though, that we did have a disagreement about those 5800 numbers, which turned out to be 3 million rather than the 13 million that was thought to have been claimed. So it did well, but not startling well.
I'm not so confident that the N97 will do better than the iPhone. I think it will do well in certain areas, and they will certainly sell several million over the course of a year, but the iPhone may sell close to 20 million units this year (2009, inclusive), and possibly (esp if the economy takes off somewhat in 2010) 30 million next year. I don't see the N97 by itself, coming close to those numbers.
Don't forget though, that we did have a disagreement about those 5800 numbers, which turned out to be 3 million rather than the 13 million that was thought to have been claimed. So it did well, but not startling well.
I'm not so confident that the N97 will do better than the iPhone. I think it will do well in certain areas, and they will certainly sell several million over the course of a year, but the iPhone may sell close to 20 million units this year (2009, inclusive), and possibly (esp if the economy takes off somewhat in 2010) 30 million next year. I don't see the N97 by itself, coming close to those numbers.
Actually we did not have an argument to much as me posting the original article and then they posted a retraction, and others filled in the blanks. I have no truck with the 3 million. Not bad for a first time device in a first few months of sales.
I think the N97 will do better simply because of the installed customer base. Nokia has millions more customers that will gravitate towards the N97 who have been waiting for it. The iPhone customer base will be basically getting more of the same device with different software and maybe a camera or two.
Either way, I will probably get both so I am supporting them.
Actually we did not have an argument to much as me posting the original article and then they posted a retraction, and others filled in the blanks. I have no truck with the 3 million. Not bad for a first time device in a first few months of sales.
I think the N97 will do better simply because of the installed customer base. Nokia has millions more customers that will gravitate towards the N97 who have been waiting for it. The iPhone customer base will be basically getting more of the same device with different software and maybe a camera or two.
Either way, I will probably get both so I am supporting them.
I suppose I should have said disagreement. I just think of the word argument as in; "presenting your argument".
What will be both the unlocked price and the supported price be? Do you know that yet? I remember the N95 here was going for an unholy price as an unlocked phone. I think it was $850 at first.
I suppose I should have said disagreement. I just think of the word argument as in; "presenting your argument".
What will be both the unlocked price and the supported price be? Do you know that yet? I remember the N95 here was going for an unholy price as an unlocked phone. I think it was $850 at first.
I know for sure the N97 will be unlocked. The current price is more or less ?600, but it can go up or down depending on the seller. No one here purchases at the Nokia shops.
The iPhone will most likely be locked, but we have an arrangement with our suppliers that if we have to leave the country, and provide orders show so, they will unlock the phone once the remaining balance on a two year contract is paid. I am curious to see how things are going to happen here in Finland as Sonera had a massive wave of iPhone contract cancellations. People are pissed off about having to be locked into a contract. Finns are pretty crazy when it comes to phones.
I know for sure the N97 will be unlocked. The current price is more or less ?600, but it can go up or down depending on the seller. No one here purchases at the Nokia shops.
The iPhone will most likely be locked, but we have an arrangement with our suppliers that if we have to leave the country, and provide orders show so, they will unlock the phone once the remaining balance on a two year contract is paid. I am curious to see how things are going to happen here in Finland as Sonera had a massive wave of iPhone contract cancellations. People are pissed off about having to be locked into a contract. Finns are pretty crazy when it comes to phones.
Before the iphone was launched in Finland --- didn't you state that you had arrangements to get the unlocking code for your iphone immediately?
People shouldn't be pissed off that they are locked into a contract --- they should be pissed off that there is no such thing as a reasonable ETF cancellation fee to get out of contract. If I have to pay the remaining balance on a two year contract as a ETF in order to get out of the contract, I would be pissed off at that.
Before the iphone was launched in Finland --- didn't you state that you had arrangements to get the unlocking code for your iphone immediately?
People shouldn't be pissed off that they are locked into a contract --- they should be pissed off that there is no such thing as a reasonable ETF cancellation fee to get out of contract. If I have to pay the remaining balance on a two year contract as a ETF in order to get out of the contract, I would be pissed off at that.
Wait. Are you asking a question when you left unanswered my question about being banned or how you know for sure what I am doing with my tethered unlimited data contract is not allowed?
Until you can get around to answering these, do not bother addressing me at all and talk to the hand.
Wait. Are you asking a question when you left unanswered my question about being banned or how you know for sure what I am doing with my tethered unlimited data contract is not allowed?
Until you can get around to answering these, do not bother addressing me at all and talk to the hand.
It is impossible to know whether an action is allowed or not --- I am not a lawyer practicing in Finland, neither are you. Just because the carrier isn't cancelling your contract or charging you thousands of dollars on a per kilobyte charge doesn't mean that it's perfectly legal. 99.9999% of us can jaywalk in front of a cop and not get a ticket for jaywalking --- doesn't mean that jaywalking is legal.
Go ahead and log on to your old account and reply on this thread. That will shut me (and the rest of the world) up for good on the topic of whether you were banned or not.
It is impossible to know whether an action is allowed or not --- I am not a lawyer practicing in Finland, neither are you. Just because the carrier isn't cancelling your contract or charging you thousands of dollars on a per kilobyte charge doesn't mean that it's perfectly legal. 99.9999% of us can jaywalk in front of a cop and not get a ticket for jaywalking --- doesn't mean that jaywalking is legal.
Go ahead and log on to your old account and reply on this thread. That will shut me (and the rest of the world) up for good on the topic of whether you were banned or not.
Just realized they have a feature here that I did not think about. It is called: "ignore". Normally I do not use this but being as you are special, I decided to splurge a bit and put you on my ignore list. Bye.....
I know for sure the N97 will be unlocked. The current price is more or less ?600, but it can go up or down depending on the seller. No one here purchases at the Nokia shops.
The iPhone will most likely be locked, but we have an arrangement with our suppliers that if we have to leave the country, and provide orders show so, they will unlock the phone once the remaining balance on a two year contract is paid. I am curious to see how things are going to happen here in Finland as Sonera had a massive wave of iPhone contract cancellations. People are pissed off about having to be locked into a contract. Finns are pretty crazy when it comes to phones.
Finns can't be so dumb as to lock themselves into a contract, and then say; Hey, I locked myself into a contract, I think I'll cancel.
Or are they? They do know in advance.
I can't believe that the iPhone is the only phone in Finland that has a contract.
Finns can't be so dumb as to lock themselves into a contract, and then say; Hey, I locked myself into a contract, I think I'll cancel.
Or are they? They do know in advance.
I can't believe that the iPhone is the only phone in Finland that has a contract.
The prevailing thought as far as I can gather is that some people, hell many people wanted an iPhone. They did not like the rules of the game from the beginning but realized that to get the phone, they would be stuck with the contract. Sooo, get the phone, cancel the contract and send a nice fat "Screw you" to Sonera in the process. The N97 will be offered in contracted subscriptions. All phones here are but hardly anyone takes them, but the operator (Sonera) will allow you to payout the remainder of a 1 or 2 year contract and then be unlocked.
The prevailing thought as far as I can gather is that some people, hell many people wanted an iPhone. They did not like the rules of the game from the beginning but realized that to get the phone, they would be stuck with the contract. Sooo, get the phone, cancel the contract and send a nice fat "Screw you" to Sonera in the process. The N97 will be offered in contracted subscriptions. All phones here are but hardly anyone takes them, but the operator (Sonera) will allow you to payout the remainder of a 1 or 2 year contract and then be unlocked.
That just sounds strange. If they cancel, don't they then have to give the phone back if they haven't had the contract for some minimum time?
That just sounds strange. If they cancel, don't they then have to give the phone back if they haven't had the contract for some minimum time?
Nope. Pay it out and take your phone. Not the iPhone though.
Nope. Pay it out and take your phone. Not the iPhone though.
We were talking about the iPhone.
We were talking about the iPhone.
The iPhone is the only phone not part of the payout deal. You are stuck for 2 years.
The iPhone is the only phone not part of the payout deal. You are stuck for 2 years.
So earlier, when you said they were getting the iPhone and contract, then canceling the contract to tell Sonora "screw you", they were screwing themselves as well. No contract, no phone, and then, what about the cancellation fee? Or are there no fees there?
So what will they have accomplished? Sonora will correctly think they're loopy.
So earlier, when you said they were getting the iPhone and contract, then canceling the contract to tell Sonora "screw you", they were screwing themselves as well. No contract, no phone, and then, what about the cancellation fee? Or are there no fees there?
So what will they have accomplished? Sonora will correctly think they're loopy.
Maybe I did not explain correctly. They cancel the contract, but it stays active for the length of the contract. Once 2 years is over the phone is unlocked. There is no cancellation fee, or penalties. Here people flip contracts left and right. No fees, etc... Some people even go so far as to purchase a phone on contract, pay a few months at the lower subsidized fee and then pay it out to get the phone. We did this with the last ambassador that was here. We ordered 10 3G USB modems under the stipulation that we cancel when we need to. It was not a problem.