I love how with the 1st gen iPhone, apple used this beautiful matte-aluminium for the back face, but once it needed to be mass-produced, plastic took over ... I don't care if it's shiny black, white, or is covered in gold leaf, plastic feels cheap to me, and I love my 1st gen iPhone. Wish they'd go back to that. My guess was that the switch also had something to do with blocking the wifi/telephone signal though, not just price cuts.
So you mean your guess is that the reason Apple gave for the switch is the correct reason for the switch? Way to go out on a limb there
Actually, it's better for the 3G and GPS to have plastic rather than metal.
Yeah, I thought that's what it must have been, pity they couldn't have stuck to the original 1/4 plastic design though. It did look (& feel) nice.
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which is pretty much like what some of the stuff you come out with
I don't buy it, at least not until we see some "fake" pics, you know the ones that have been right for how many years now, but the crazies still shout "FAAAKE!" like the are the godz of photoshop
if this is a change that can be done, why does everyone squawk when there are rumors of an iPhone pad or nano with a larger/smaller/different aspect screen, claiming such a change would require a rewrite of the whole phone OS?
is it because the phone has a touch screen and the other pods don't? how exactly does that make the resolution/dimensions issue so much different?
besides: 1.5:1 is the same as 3:2 and 6:4. 4x6 is a pretty standard print format. And while people talk a lot about 8x10 prints, many printers today utilize paper that can produce an 8 x 12 for the same price (they print the 8x10 on 8x12 paper and trim the unused waste) and for a variety of reasons the 8 x 12 is a superior format to 8x10.
You ain't seen nothin yet. Wait til the iTVs arrive- to be followed by the iCameras, iRefrigerators, iAirconditioners etc. But they're all still computers because they'll all sport app widgets running off some sort of OS.
Bullshit, as usual.
You have no understanding whatsoever of the company you love to comment on.
True enough for me. (In pre-digital days, I used to moonlight as a photographer selling 'landscapes' for office foyers, postcards and calendars).
But a sampling of our photo collection (of over 40,000 shots), shows that my wife (a newspaper reporter) takes, albeit by a small margin, MOSTLY portrait photos.
What are these countries with superfast download speeds? (apart from S. Korea natch)
japan has had high speed for years now. this seems like a good list if you want the speicifcs to your question answered: List_of_HSDPA_networks
i guess pertinent to you living in america with an iphone: "AT&T is operating a 3G/HSDPA network, called BroadbandConnect, currently in most metropolitan markets. Speeds up to 7.2 Mbit/s are available in most markets. Areas that use UMTS instead of HSUPA as the uplink protocol are limited to 1.8 Mbit/s speeds."
japan has had high speed for years now. this seems like a good list if you want the speicifcs to your question answered: List_of_HSDPA_networks
Regardless of the speed these networks have offered, in relation to phones there are no chipsets I?m aware of that can take the 20Mbps speeds and sure the weak ARM processors and low RAM could even handle that much data at one time at this point. We?s these radios as USB and EC/34 cards first where size and power usage is less of an issue.
"countries with the most capable wireless networks, like the United States"
Is this a joke? Seriously, I know that in regards to mobile telephony, AI is oblivious to where the rest of the world (you know, those countries outside the US) stands, but this is low even for their standards. Guys, you started doing commercial-scale HSDPA deployments a year ago. The rest of the world's been there for at least 2 years longer.
lol was thinking the same thing....I thought it was just recently that the iPhone 3G was able to be released in North America. Oh btw, 4G is already being demoed in many places i.e. Korea and Japan.
Regardless of the speed these networks have offered, in relation to phones there are no chipsets I?m aware of that can take the 20Mbps speeds and sure the weak ARM processors and low RAM could even handle that much data at one time at this point. We?s these radios as USB and EC/34 cards first where size and power usage is less of an issue.
Try an TI OMAP3640.
However you've answered your own argument it's not a "weak ARM processor" and "low RAM" that are the problem it's the fact that since you only really need about 5Mbit/s even for high quality video streaming and in the absence of a large screen and flash you don't even need 5Mbit for a decent web experience. What on earth is the point in building a handset that drinks power servicing a 20Mbit/s channel when you can just build it in to a laptop instead since the only current application for that amount of bandwidth in a mobile device is tethering it to a laptop?
Also as has been pointed out even 7.2Mbit/s is mostly marketing lies in order to actually get that you'd have to have utterly optimum radio conditions and be the only connecting terminal and therefore get all 15 downstream channels available to HSDPA. As soon as someone makes a voice call *wham* you lose a channel. Current standards can get as far as 21Mbit/s but the same comments apply. Interim standards before LTE might get to 42Mbit/s
As far as can be told iPhone 3G has a 3.6Mbit/s HSDPA capability which is the commercially sensible thing to do since:
- It takes less power to run the radio
- Even on a 7.2Mbit/s capable network the vast majority of the time you *won't* be under optimum radio conditions and will be connecting at a lower speed
- Even in locales with advanced HSDPA rollouts (UK Voda has had it for at least 2 years) generally 7.2Mbit/s (or faster) service is only available on city centres terminals in sub-urban areas are still only going to be connecting at 3.6Mbit/s or lower.
Apple are selling a product which fulfils a function rather than engaging in pointless specification willy waving. If the are updating the radio to 7.2Mbit/s that will mean that they have got agreement from the telcos to build out 7.2Mbit/s to a point where it is worthwhile having it in the terminal.
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I don't know. Most pictures are taken in landscape.
Unless you shoot portraits for a living.
Perhaps ipods get the 3.2, while the Iphone receive the 5.0 megapixel camera's?
iPhone and touch, one would hope.
Unless you shoot portraits for a living.
What if it's a portrait of a landscape?
I miss Apple the Computer Company
You mean the one that would have gone out of business 5 years ago without the iPod?
"countries with the most capable wireless networks, like the United States"
If there is a western country that does not have particularly capable wireless networks, it is the United States.
Just to put 7,2 MBit into perspective: In Sweden two major operators (3/tre and Telia) both offer mobile broadband at up to 21 MBit.
4th generation networks aiming for speeds well in excess of 100 MBit are being deployed towards the end of this year with commercial launch in 2010.
I love how with the 1st gen iPhone, apple used this beautiful matte-aluminium for the back face, but once it needed to be mass-produced, plastic took over ... I don't care if it's shiny black, white, or is covered in gold leaf, plastic feels cheap to me, and I love my 1st gen iPhone.
So you mean your guess is that the reason Apple gave for the switch is the correct reason for the switch? Way to go out on a limb there
Actually, it's better for the 3G and GPS to have plastic rather than metal.
Yeah, I thought that's what it must have been, pity they couldn't have stuck to the original 1/4 plastic design though. It did look (& feel) nice.
which is pretty much like what some of the stuff you come out with
I don't buy it, at least not until we see some "fake" pics, you know the ones that have been right for how many years now, but the crazies still shout "FAAAKE!" like the are the godz of photoshop
Hehehe. Well I do make a mean fake: http://www.jimzip.com/gallery/ (At the bottom.
But please, I prefer the term 'designer'. 'God' is just much too lofty!
Jimzip
if this is a change that can be done, why does everyone squawk when there are rumors of an iPhone pad or nano with a larger/smaller/different aspect screen, claiming such a change would require a rewrite of the whole phone OS?
is it because the phone has a touch screen and the other pods don't? how exactly does that make the resolution/dimensions issue so much different?
besides: 1.5:1 is the same as 3:2 and 6:4. 4x6 is a pretty standard print format. And while people talk a lot about 8x10 prints, many printers today utilize paper that can produce an 8 x 12 for the same price (they print the 8x10 on 8x12 paper and trim the unused waste) and for a variety of reasons the 8 x 12 is a superior format to 8x10.
True, true.
Unless you shoot portraits for a living.
Still, MOST pictures are taken in landscape.
You ain't seen nothin yet. Wait til the iTVs arrive- to be followed by the iCameras, iRefrigerators, iAirconditioners etc. But they're all still computers because they'll all sport app widgets running off some sort of OS.
Bullshit, as usual.
You have no understanding whatsoever of the company you love to comment on.
What are these countries with superfast download speeds? (apart from S. Korea natch)
Australia has 14-20 Mbps (I think) but only through 1 carrier.
Are they criminals or something. They can wear gloves you know. That way no one knows.
The screen only works without gloves.
Still, MOST pictures are taken in landscape.
True enough for me. (In pre-digital days, I used to moonlight as a photographer selling 'landscapes' for office foyers, postcards and calendars).
But a sampling of our photo collection (of over 40,000 shots), shows that my wife (a newspaper reporter) takes, albeit by a small margin, MOSTLY portrait photos.
Phones are banned at my gym.
People f in the sauna at my gym.
What are these countries with superfast download speeds? (apart from S. Korea natch)
japan has had high speed for years now. this seems like a good list if you want the speicifcs to your question answered: List_of_HSDPA_networks
i guess pertinent to you living in america with an iphone: "AT&T is operating a 3G/HSDPA network, called BroadbandConnect, currently in most metropolitan markets. Speeds up to 7.2 Mbit/s are available in most markets. Areas that use UMTS instead of HSUPA as the uplink protocol are limited to 1.8 Mbit/s speeds."
japan has had high speed for years now. this seems like a good list if you want the speicifcs to your question answered: List_of_HSDPA_networks
Regardless of the speed these networks have offered, in relation to phones there are no chipsets I?m aware of that can take the 20Mbps speeds and sure the weak ARM processors and low RAM could even handle that much data at one time at this point. We?s these radios as USB and EC/34 cards first where size and power usage is less of an issue.
"countries with the most capable wireless networks, like the United States"
Is this a joke? Seriously, I know that in regards to mobile telephony, AI is oblivious to where the rest of the world (you know, those countries outside the US) stands, but this is low even for their standards. Guys, you started doing commercial-scale HSDPA deployments a year ago. The rest of the world's been there for at least 2 years longer.
lol was thinking the same thing....I thought it was just recently that the iPhone 3G was able to be released in North America. Oh btw, 4G is already being demoed in many places i.e. Korea and Japan.
Regardless of the speed these networks have offered, in relation to phones there are no chipsets I?m aware of that can take the 20Mbps speeds and sure the weak ARM processors and low RAM could even handle that much data at one time at this point. We?s these radios as USB and EC/34 cards first where size and power usage is less of an issue.
Try an TI OMAP3640.
However you've answered your own argument it's not a "weak ARM processor" and "low RAM" that are the problem it's the fact that since you only really need about 5Mbit/s even for high quality video streaming and in the absence of a large screen and flash you don't even need 5Mbit for a decent web experience. What on earth is the point in building a handset that drinks power servicing a 20Mbit/s channel when you can just build it in to a laptop instead since the only current application for that amount of bandwidth in a mobile device is tethering it to a laptop?
Also as has been pointed out even 7.2Mbit/s is mostly marketing lies in order to actually get that you'd have to have utterly optimum radio conditions and be the only connecting terminal and therefore get all 15 downstream channels available to HSDPA. As soon as someone makes a voice call *wham* you lose a channel. Current standards can get as far as 21Mbit/s but the same comments apply. Interim standards before LTE might get to 42Mbit/s
As far as can be told iPhone 3G has a 3.6Mbit/s HSDPA capability which is the commercially sensible thing to do since:
- It takes less power to run the radio
- Even on a 7.2Mbit/s capable network the vast majority of the time you *won't* be under optimum radio conditions and will be connecting at a lower speed
- Even in locales with advanced HSDPA rollouts (UK Voda has had it for at least 2 years) generally 7.2Mbit/s (or faster) service is only available on city centres terminals in sub-urban areas are still only going to be connecting at 3.6Mbit/s or lower.
Apple are selling a product which fulfils a function rather than engaging in pointless specification willy waving. If the are updating the radio to 7.2Mbit/s that will mean that they have got agreement from the telcos to build out 7.2Mbit/s to a point where it is worthwhile having it in the terminal.
I miss buggy whips.
I miss my dominatrix and Windows 95.