Windows 7 priced below Vista, to allow upgrades from XP

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  • Reply 41 of 197
    nowayout11nowayout11 Posts: 326member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post


    Windows 7 Pricing has NOTHING to do with Apple. The only reason this is posted that I can see is for MS hating.



    Yep, pretty much. And traffic trolling... like the coverage of those MS commercials.
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  • Reply 42 of 197
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    Originally Posted by Adjei View Post


    If Snow Leopard is a service pack, then WTF is Windows 7?



    Windows 7 is.... A 32-bit extension to a 16-bit graphical interface, sitting on an 8-bit operating system, originally written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company without ONE BIT of common sense
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  • Reply 43 of 197
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
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    Originally Posted by Cisco_Kid View Post


    Windows 7 is.... A 32-bit extension to a 16-bit graphical interface, sitting on an 8-bit operating system, originally written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company without ONE BIT of common sense



    I always liked that one....but I guess with 7/Vista it'd be more appropriate to say it's a...64-bit version of a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit graphical interface, sitting on an 8-bit operating system, originally written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company without ONE BIT of common sense.
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  • Reply 44 of 197
    rnp1rnp1 Posts: 175member
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    Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post


    I always liked that one....but I guess with 7/Vista it'd be more appropriate to say it's a...64-bit version of a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit graphical interface, sitting on an 8-bit operating system, originally written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company without ONE BIT of common sense.



    YOU GUYS ARE GREAT-very humorous and right on! I couldn't agree more- "lol"!
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  • Reply 45 of 197
    macnycmacnyc Posts: 342member
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    Originally Posted by Wally View Post


    Dude. You have got to be kidding right? Tell me you're kidding.



    Be nice! His mother used to taser him to sleep every night...
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  • Reply 46 of 197
    djsherlydjsherly Posts: 1,031member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cisco_Kid View Post


    Windows 7 is.... A 32-bit extension to a 16-bit graphical interface, sitting on an 8-bit operating system, originally written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company without ONE BIT of common sense



    LOLZ. Because I haven't heard that one a thousand times.



    I did a comparison between the prices of upgrades between OS X an XP->Vista->7



    If you had bought a PC or a Mac and somehow managed to hold on to it since 2001, then these are the numbers.



    Each dot release, plus the initial version of OS X was rolled out at 129.99. If we include Snow Leopard at $29, then if you remained current, you would have paid $809.



    XP Pro Retail was $299, Vista Ultimate Upgrade was $219, and 7 Upgrade will also be $219. That makes $737.



    In that wildly hypothetical situation, you paid $70 (10%) more owning OS X than you did the current flavour of Windows.



    To make it more realistic, say you upgraded your hardware once. That would knock out one purchase of the operating system directly. OS X - $679, Windows - $519. The difference is marked.



    If you upgraded twice which is more likely, then I would suspect another $130 knocked off OS X, but unlikely that you could save yourself another upgrade under Windows. OS X $549, Windows $519.



    The point to be made is that Microsoft in a relative sense isn't really gouging their customers. It looks pretty even to me.
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  • Reply 47 of 197
    macnycmacnyc Posts: 342member
    [QUOTE=camroidv27;1440587] Windows 7 Pricing has NOTHING to do with Apple. The only reason this is posted that I can see is for MS hating.[QUOTE]



    You're not thinking very hard then. I would never buy a PC but I am curious to see how much Windows is versus Apple.



    [QUOTE=camroidv27;1440587]And if you ask me, that looks VERY poorly on the Apple community from others. MS community hates Apple too... so Apple guys, "Think Different" and just ignore the pest.[QUOTE]



    If you ask me, it seems pretty obvious you've come here to troll...



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post


    That being said, raise of hands, how many of you are going to buy and install Win7 on your Macs? Seems like a lot of people I know that have Macs, ALSO buy windows to run on it. So in that regard, yes this affects you.



    LOL, Love how you contradict yourself!
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  • Reply 48 of 197
    mactrippermactripper Posts: 1,328member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Where's the evidence of that?



    That glossy screens are killing repeat business?



    It's circumstantial, just about every poll online is over 60% in favor of matte screens instead of glossy.



    If your alienating over 60% of your market, your losing repeat business.



    It's just that Apple doesn't see it because their numbers are clouded by so many new 'to computer' users right now.



    But if enough newbies get burned by annoying glossy screens, they might not come back to buy again unless Apple offers a solution to the glare and reflection problem.



    Hopefully they are working on it.
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  • Reply 49 of 197
    rnp1rnp1 Posts: 175member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by djsherly View Post


    LOLZ. Because I haven't heard that one a thousand times.

    I did a comparison between the prices of upgrades between OS X an XP->Vista->

    The point to be made is that Microsoft in a relative sense isn't really gouging their customers. It looks pretty even to me.



    But you are forgetting the time you wasted minding/installing the bloated Windows/DOS software, waiting and tolerating the MS customer service agent who was bathing in the Ganges during your calls, and the triple clicking you had to do to resize a window. That all adds up to several hundred thousand dollars!
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  • Reply 50 of 197
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    Originally Posted by Cisco_Kid View Post


    Windows 7 is.... A 32-bit extension to a 16-bit graphical interface, sitting on an 8-bit operating system, originally written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company without ONE BIT of common sense



    Post more often.
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  • Reply 51 of 197
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    ....waiting and tolerating the MS customer service agent who was bathing in the Ganges during your calls......



    Frankly, most of the Indian customer service agents I've dealt with (for various products and services) are far superior to the ones I've dealt with here, within our shores..... I have often found a clear difference in education levels.
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  • Reply 52 of 197
    [QUOTE=macnyc;1440610]



    If you ask me, it seems pretty obvious you've come here to troll...



    [QUOTE]



    Funny... I've done nothing of the sort. Just stating that I think Appleinsider should stick to Apple. And that the people who like Apple should be more respectful of their competition. (And vice versa. I don't want to see an MS site go on about Apple's shortcomings, and I don't want to see their community bash Apple either. Sadly, it happens on both fields)



    The trolls are the ones who get arrogant about their beliefs in the companies they support. Kinda like Politics too... and those are always so filthy.
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  • Reply 53 of 197
    rnp1rnp1 Posts: 175member
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Frankly, most of the Indian customer service agents I've dealt with (for various products and services) are far superior to the ones I've dealt with here, within our shores..... I have often found a clear difference in education levels.



    That statement didn't reflect on the cheap and abused labor force employed by MS, neither does it excuse the beyond substandard level of , or lack of, education of the typical stateside stupid persons hired by large American companies to handle the primary level of phone support. I've been very frustrated by the clever deflective and useless customer service provided by MS, Western Digital, and Amazon. They often happen to be located in Eurasia-they are very smart, and very avoident! Where as Apple and t-Mobile phone service reps are well trained real American, unaccented english speaking problem solvers-usually!

    Having said that, I know Apple considered off shoring tek support and the complaints were almost as bad as those found in this blog!

    (I should add that I play Sitar and Sarod and will miss Ali Akbar Khan-was fortunate to have had several conversations with him since the 60s)
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  • Reply 54 of 197
    [QUOTE=rnp1;1440593]
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    Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post


    "Windows 7 Pricing has NOTHING to do with Apple. The only reason this is posted that I can see is for MS hating."



    We don't hate MS for their way over charging for their lousy software, or the fact that they continually steal it directly from Apple, or that Steve Balmer is a total fool. We hate MS because we do have to use Windows and it is so bloated, overly complex, clutsy and time intensive-that why we hate MS!!!



    I hear the MS side say the same thing of OS X. Personal preference. But please, don't do it here. I want to hear what APPLE is doing, not how bad MS is. I already know how bad MS and Apple are, and how clunky Linux is, and how frustrating ATI can be, or how hot Nvidia can be, or how AMD uses 3/4 cores and Intel is too expensive, or how this and that and it goes on! Who cares? Focus on your own products! That's how Apple got to where it is... posters should follow suit! I'm telling you GLOAT about the Macs you purchase! Just don't step on anyone to do so.



    I swear, its almost like religion. And seeing events all over the world right now, we see just how good putting down other religions can be! Boom.
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  • Reply 55 of 197
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,713member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post


    Windows 7 Pricing has NOTHING to do with Apple. The only reason this is posted that I can see is for MS hating.



    And if you ask me, that looks VERY poorly on the Apple community from others. MS community hates Apple too... so Apple guys, "Think Different" and just ignore the pest.



    That being said, raise of hands, how many of you are going to buy and install Win7 on your Macs? Seems like a lot of people I know that have Macs, ALSO buy windows to run on it. So in that regard, yes this affects you.



    Lets focus on Apple okay? Can anyone tell me when FCS3 is coming out and if it will support the CUDA / GrandCentral scheme?



    At some point I'll do it.
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  • Reply 56 of 197
    rnp1rnp1 Posts: 175member
    [QUOTE=camroidv27;1440621]
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rnp1 View Post


    Personal preference. I want to hear how bad MS is. I swear, its almost like religion. And seeing events all over the world right now, we see just how good putting down other religions can be! Boom.



    Hey lighten up!! It is so nice to be able to run on for more than 124 characters at this blog!
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  • Reply 57 of 197
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,713member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by djsherly View Post


    LOLZ. Because I haven't heard that one a thousand times.



    I did a comparison between the prices of upgrades between OS X an XP->Vista->7



    If you had bought a PC or a Mac and somehow managed to hold on to it since 2001, then these are the numbers.



    Each dot release, plus the initial version of OS X was rolled out at 129.99. If we include Snow Leopard at $29, then if you remained current, you would have paid $809.



    XP Pro Retail was $299, Vista Ultimate Upgrade was $219, and 7 Upgrade will also be $219. That makes $737.



    In that wildly hypothetical situation, you paid $70 (10%) more owning OS X than you did the current flavour of Windows.



    To make it more realistic, say you upgraded your hardware once. That would knock out one purchase of the operating system directly. OS X - $679, Windows - $519. The difference is marked.



    If you upgraded twice which is more likely, then I would suspect another $130 knocked off OS X, but unlikely that you could save yourself another upgrade under Windows. OS X $549, Windows $519.



    The point to be made is that Microsoft in a relative sense isn't really gouging their customers. It looks pretty even to me.



    Except that you're forgetting one little thing that changes the calculations.



    MS has been late on every release they made going back to the later DOS releases.



    Do you think MS wanted to go 5 years between XP and Vista? No, they didn't. Vista was about 3 years late. XP itself was over a year late. 2000 was 2 years late, and I won't bother going back any more.



    If MS had been within 6 months of their release dates over the years, Windows 7 would have come out in 2001, and we would have be on the third release since then.



    It's not that MS doesn't want to gauge their customers, but that they have so many problems writing their OS's that they can't do business as they want to.



    At the very least, there would be one more release between 2001 and now for them.



    That would change their numbers completely.



    In addition, you made another mistake. 10.1 was a FREE release. Given that, Apple's numbers, including 10.6, would be $674, still lower than MS's costing, even without figuring in their incompetence.
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  • Reply 58 of 197
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,713member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    That glossy screens are killing repeat business?



    It's circumstantial, just about every poll online is over 60% in favor of matte screens instead of glossy.



    If your alienating over 60% of your market, your losing repeat business.



    It's just that Apple doesn't see it because their numbers are clouded by so many new 'to computer' users right now.



    But if enough newbies get burned by annoying glossy screens, they might not come back to buy again unless Apple offers a solution to the glare and reflection problem.



    Hopefully they are working on it.



    I doubt that every poll runs 60%.



    But even if that were true, it would mean little, because those who come to these sites and answer polls are rarely typical, and Apple has just been given one of the highest customer satisfaction ratings around. higher than for any other computer company. Also the highest rating for customers who would buy another .



    So I doubt they're losing repeat customers at anything other than a much smaller rate than they are gaining new ones.



    http://www.macworld.com/article/1400...isfaction.html



    http://cultofmac.com/changewave-appl...isfaction/8570



    Now you can show us a survey or two that says that 60% of Mac users are dissatisfied with their glossy screens.



    Oh, and find one that shows similar high rates of people stating that they wouldn't buy another Mac because of it.



    No, not a forum like this one, or some self selecting online poll, but a professional survey.
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  • Reply 59 of 197
    cycomikocycomiko Posts: 716member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    Because time+work isn't always free.



    heres a hint for the slow. That was called "sarcasm" a strange concept that you obviously do not grasp.
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  • Reply 60 of 197
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    EDIT: You know better. careful with the language please.



    Yeah, it was a heated moment. Don't worry, I'll stay clean.
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