Whether you meant Shawn Wu or Shaw Wu, I suspect he is guessing based on previous AI articles and his own speculation to increase hype, if he's right hes a genius, if not... he covered himself. I'm sick of these analysts.
Blu-Ray is primarily a Sony/phillips devised product. Others were persuaded to come on board, and have, in some cases, contributed.
I think it's Panasonic, not Philips, but the rest sounds about right. But at least they were smart enough to develop a coalition, but the initial coalition probably should have included several movie studios too.
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I could care less about either of these formats. The fact that neither side could come to an agreement to create one format and in the end screw over consumers ended my fascination on either formats. I honestly hope both of them die a miserable death.
It's not that easy. The design intents were polar opposites when it comes to the optics. Tosh/NEC (IIRC) took the route for lowest cost in the short term, the Blu-Ray group pushed the optical technology as far as they reasonably could to get the best storage capacity. As I understand it, much more would require a pretty radical shift.
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And honestly, does it *really* matter which format wins? Seriously. Is it seriously going to affect your day to day life? I really doubt it. Get over it, both Blu-ray and HD DVD each have there advantages and disadvantages, but honestly does the consumer REALLY care about any of this? Nope.
I'm hoping for an archive & transport format with good storage capacity. HD-DVD is limited from that respect. For most other things, the difference are minor.
Alert the media... A Blu-ray fanboy has entered the building.
I could care less about either of these formats. The fact that neither side could come to an agreement to create one format and in the end screw over consumers ended my fascination on either formats. I honestly hope both of them die a miserable death.
And honestly, does it *really* matter which format wins? Seriously. Is it seriously going to affect your day to day life? I really doubt it. Get over it, both Blu-ray and HD DVD each have there advantages and disadvantages, but honestly does the consumer REALLY care about any of this? Nope.
w00master
As a movie buff, I do care. Sorry if it offends you that I might want to watch movies at home with the best picture and sound quality available. I don't want to have sit around waiting for that seemingly mythical day when digital downloads finally arrive in all their much talked about (but never actually delivered) promise. I don't want my movie watching controlled by Apple's iTunes Store and whatever hardware they deem to provide for viewing or be saddled with whatever Microsoft's current scheme might be.
Yeah, Blu-Ray is more advanced than HD-DVD. The main advantage is significantly greater storage capacity. The second is freedom from MS's influence on the product.
Apple just needs to make an amazing apple tv like device to fight both standards. Then combine that with true hd content, itunes rentals, more substance, and a low price, than apple may start making a slight impact on the market.
but a Blue ray for osx would be a nice in the short-term.
Apple just needs to make an amazing apple tv like device to fight both standards.
I agree - with most people sporting a broadband connection and flat panels on the rise, downloadable HD content/rentals seems like a no brainer. Just leave the expansion option of connecting an external hard drive or a Blu Ray or HD player.
I agree - with most people sporting a broadband connection and flat panels on the rise, downloadable HD content/rentals seems like a no brainer. Just leave the expansion option of connecting an external hard drive or a Blu Ray or HD player.
I disagree. Apple needs some form of HD drive for burning HD content to disk without making people deal with space limitations inherent in DVD's. I live outside Seattle and I know *my* current broadband solution is incapable of handling downloadable content in a way that would satisfy me. In the future perhaps, downloadable video content will be a lot more mainstream but for now, physical media is still pretty important.
I agree - with most people sporting a broadband connection and flat panels on the rise, downloadable HD content/rentals seems like a no brainer. Just leave the expansion option of connecting an external hard drive or a Blu Ray or HD player.
I have broadband and it's still faster to drive down the street to Target, buy the DVD and come home than it is to try downloading it at home and hope the file doesn't flake out on me (even from legitimate sources... I've had both Xbox Live and iTunes screw up mid-download and necessitate a refresh, and take a look at all the post-holiday downtime and inexplicable errors XBL has had this month). It's still a while yet before any delivery system can genuinely keep up.
I'd much, much, much rather have it on disc. And yes, I'm in the Blu-ray camp -- there's also a PS3 sitting on the other side of my drastically over-equipped TV -- so I'm crossing my fingers. I was glad when I first heard Apple was on that side of the fence, so I'd love to see them really do something with it.
Which format is technically better is irrelevant. In case you haven't noticed, the market, not science and technology, is what drives the world that we live in. With that in mind, blu-ray has two big problems...
1) HD DVD is drastically cheaper to produce... the authoring tools are out there... and the players was WAY cheaper for the consumer to buy. Toshiba has also had a few "door crasher" sales selling players for $99 with 5 free movies. They sold something close to 100,000 of them on black friday.
2) Sony, apparently, refuses to allow adult content on blu-ray... or at least... they will have no part in manufacturing of such content. Which is understandable, but like it or not, the adult market brings in significantly more money than the mainstream market. Something like 15 billion a year? Like it or not, you can't ignore the adult market.
For the record... I would prefer blu-ray to win... but market forces are what will decide this... not merits... or Apple. Actually... what I would prefer is that we skip straight to HD downloads and forget this who stupid war being waged over little round pieces of plastic.
If it's true the only computer they would introduce it in is obviously the Mac Pro. There is no other computer they make that could fit an affordable Blu Ray player in it. Just like when they introduced DVD-R (actually DVD-RAM) drives. The new Superdrive.
2) Sony, apparently, refuses to allow adult content on blu-ray... or at least... they will have no part in manufacturing of such content. Which is understandable, but like it or not, the adult market brings in significantly more money than the mainstream market. Something like 15 billion a year? Like it or not, you can't ignore the adult market.
It is not about if we like it or not, but about if it is true or not. Where this data comes from?
It is not about if we like it or not, but about if it is true or not. Where this data comes from?
Google "blu-ray adult sony". Sony's stance is a little confusing... which was why I used the word "apparently". Do some googling to find out more. In any case, FWIW... sounds like the adult industry has settled on HD-DVD.
Advanced or not, frankly I'm unimpressed with Blu-Ray. I saw a demo on an HDTV at a Best Buy that looked pretty bad. It appears either the screen or the disc compression leave a lot of visual strobing in scenes with fast movement. I couldn't stand it.
Actually... what I would prefer is that we skip straight to HD downloads and forget this who stupid war being waged over little round pieces of plastic.
I'd really prefer the $1 pieces of plastic over the download time and storage space needed for 20-50GB of HD data.
2) Sony, apparently, refuses to allow adult content on blu-ray... or at least... they will have no part in manufacturing of such content. Which is understandable, but like it or not, the adult market brings in significantly more money than the mainstream market. Something like 15 billion a year? Like it or not, you can't ignore the adult market.
Google "blu-ray adult sony". Sony's stance is a little confusing... which was why I used the word "apparently". Do some googling to find out more. In any case, FWIW... sounds like the adult industry has settled on HD-DVD.
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Whether you meant Shawn Wu or Shaw Wu, I suspect he is guessing based on previous AI articles and his own speculation to increase hype, if he's right hes a genius, if not... he covered himself. I'm sick of these analysts.
Well, as long as Microsoft loses.
Isn't that a given?
but i heard at Ces buzz that Xbox 360 will have a another sku , a unit with a built in hd-dvd drive.
Blu-Ray is primarily a Sony/phillips devised product. Others were persuaded to come on board, and have, in some cases, contributed.
I think it's Panasonic, not Philips, but the rest sounds about right. But at least they were smart enough to develop a coalition, but the initial coalition probably should have included several movie studios too.
I could care less about either of these formats. The fact that neither side could come to an agreement to create one format and in the end screw over consumers ended my fascination on either formats. I honestly hope both of them die a miserable death.
It's not that easy. The design intents were polar opposites when it comes to the optics. Tosh/NEC (IIRC) took the route for lowest cost in the short term, the Blu-Ray group pushed the optical technology as far as they reasonably could to get the best storage capacity. As I understand it, much more would require a pretty radical shift.
And honestly, does it *really* matter which format wins? Seriously. Is it seriously going to affect your day to day life? I really doubt it. Get over it, both Blu-ray and HD DVD each have there advantages and disadvantages, but honestly does the consumer REALLY care about any of this? Nope.
I'm hoping for an archive & transport format with good storage capacity. HD-DVD is limited from that respect. For most other things, the difference are minor.
Alert the media... A Blu-ray fanboy has entered the building.
I could care less about either of these formats. The fact that neither side could come to an agreement to create one format and in the end screw over consumers ended my fascination on either formats. I honestly hope both of them die a miserable death.
And honestly, does it *really* matter which format wins? Seriously. Is it seriously going to affect your day to day life? I really doubt it. Get over it, both Blu-ray and HD DVD each have there advantages and disadvantages, but honestly does the consumer REALLY care about any of this? Nope.
w00master
As a movie buff, I do care. Sorry if it offends you that I might want to watch movies at home with the best picture and sound quality available. I don't want to have sit around waiting for that seemingly mythical day when digital downloads finally arrive in all their much talked about (but never actually delivered) promise. I don't want my movie watching controlled by Apple's iTunes Store and whatever hardware they deem to provide for viewing or be saddled with whatever Microsoft's current scheme might be.
Yeah, Blu-Ray is more advanced than HD-DVD. The main advantage is significantly greater storage capacity. The second is freedom from MS's influence on the product.
Thank you..
He does care as do I!
but a Blue ray for osx would be a nice in the short-term.
Apple just needs to make an amazing apple tv like device to fight both standards.
I agree - with most people sporting a broadband connection and flat panels on the rise, downloadable HD content/rentals seems like a no brainer. Just leave the expansion option of connecting an external hard drive or a Blu Ray or HD player.
I agree - with most people sporting a broadband connection and flat panels on the rise, downloadable HD content/rentals seems like a no brainer. Just leave the expansion option of connecting an external hard drive or a Blu Ray or HD player.
I disagree. Apple needs some form of HD drive for burning HD content to disk without making people deal with space limitations inherent in DVD's. I live outside Seattle and I know *my* current broadband solution is incapable of handling downloadable content in a way that would satisfy me. In the future perhaps, downloadable video content will be a lot more mainstream but for now, physical media is still pretty important.
I agree - with most people sporting a broadband connection and flat panels on the rise, downloadable HD content/rentals seems like a no brainer. Just leave the expansion option of connecting an external hard drive or a Blu Ray or HD player.
I have broadband and it's still faster to drive down the street to Target, buy the DVD and come home than it is to try downloading it at home and hope the file doesn't flake out on me (even from legitimate sources... I've had both Xbox Live and iTunes screw up mid-download and necessitate a refresh, and take a look at all the post-holiday downtime and inexplicable errors XBL has had this month). It's still a while yet before any delivery system can genuinely keep up.
I'd much, much, much rather have it on disc. And yes, I'm in the Blu-ray camp -- there's also a PS3 sitting on the other side of my drastically over-equipped TV -- so I'm crossing my fingers.
1) HD DVD is drastically cheaper to produce... the authoring tools are out there... and the players was WAY cheaper for the consumer to buy. Toshiba has also had a few "door crasher" sales selling players for $99 with 5 free movies. They sold something close to 100,000 of them on black friday.
2) Sony, apparently, refuses to allow adult content on blu-ray... or at least... they will have no part in manufacturing of such content. Which is understandable, but like it or not, the adult market brings in significantly more money than the mainstream market. Something like 15 billion a year? Like it or not, you can't ignore the adult market.
For the record... I would prefer blu-ray to win... but market forces are what will decide this... not merits... or Apple. Actually... what I would prefer is that we skip straight to HD downloads and forget this who stupid war being waged over little round pieces of plastic.
Alert the media... A Blu-ray fanboy has entered the building.
Oooh, boy! That "fanboy" crap never gets old, does it?
I could care less about either of these formats.
It's pretty obvious that you could care less. Learn English.
And honestly, does it *really* matter which format wins? Seriously. Is it seriously going to affect your day to day life?
Of course it's not going to affect you - you don't have a Bluray player yet unlike some of us. Too bad - that 1080p looks awesome!
2) Sony, apparently, refuses to allow adult content on blu-ray... or at least... they will have no part in manufacturing of such content. Which is understandable, but like it or not, the adult market brings in significantly more money than the mainstream market. Something like 15 billion a year? Like it or not, you can't ignore the adult market.
It is not about if we like it or not, but about if it is true or not. Where this data comes from?
It is not about if we like it or not, but about if it is true or not. Where this data comes from?
Google "blu-ray adult sony". Sony's stance is a little confusing... which was why I used the word "apparently". Do some googling to find out more. In any case, FWIW... sounds like the adult industry has settled on HD-DVD.
Actually... what I would prefer is that we skip straight to HD downloads and forget this who stupid war being waged over little round pieces of plastic.
I'd really prefer the $1 pieces of plastic over the download time and storage space needed for 20-50GB of HD data.
2) Sony, apparently, refuses to allow adult content on blu-ray... or at least... they will have no part in manufacturing of such content. Which is understandable, but like it or not, the adult market brings in significantly more money than the mainstream market. Something like 15 billion a year? Like it or not, you can't ignore the adult market.
That's not true anymore.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35363/98/
I don't watch porn, but whatever helps blu-ray win..
Google "blu-ray adult sony". Sony's stance is a little confusing... which was why I used the word "apparently". Do some googling to find out more. In any case, FWIW... sounds like the adult industry has settled on HD-DVD.
Again, not true.