I saw that you posted screenshots of a 10.2 firewall. Does that mean that 10.2 ships with a GUI for the firewall? And just after I got Brickhouse up and running. Doh!
There's a couple of things I'm annoyed at with Jaguar, and one is that it breaks the Apple Remote Desktop App. The others are not even worth mentioning.
Jaguar is responsive. It is actually incredible. The GUI has finally caught up with the system and this is four months before release. I can't even imagine the final! Everything across the board is faster, from Finder to web browsing to starting Classic. Remarkable OS.
So I was wondering if anybody has played around with the inkwell stuff. I just installed the Jaguar release, but I'm not seeing anything to do with inkwell...maybe it's me and I'm just missing it though
[quote]Simple Question: Can you drag a file into a subfolder of a folder on the dock. That is, does spring loaded folders work on the dock also?<hr></blockquote>The Dock is not spring-loaded. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[quote]Oh, and can you adjust that huge grid size <hr></blockquote>No grid adjustment, but it does seem to resize automatically a little better than before. I'll make a movie of it later.
[quote]could we see some shots of iChat in use? the buddy list, the different menus/preferences, the different chat window options (with and without bubbles)<hr></blockquote>Coming right up...
[quote]I saw that you posted screenshots of a 10.2 firewall. Does that mean that 10.2 ships with a GUI for the firewall? And just after I got Brickhouse up and running. Doh!<hr></blockquote>Yes, but I still *much* prefer BrickHouse.
[quote]Personally, I'm curious what's behind those new "Digital Hub" system prefs. Any chance of a getting a screenshot or two of those?<hr></blockquote>Coming right up!
[quote]starfleetx, what hardware are you running Jaguar on?<hr></blockquote>Dual 500 G4 (gigabit ethernet edition) with a 32MB AGP Radeon (OEM).
[quote]So I was wondering if anybody has played around with the inkwell stuff. I just installed the Jaguar release, but I'm not seeing anything to do with inkwell<hr></blockquote>I can't seem to find it either.
<hr></blockquote>I can't build a fresh copy now (no dev tools yet) but I can run an old copy I had before -- the results:
Total time to create and dispose 1000 windows: 71 seconds (71749441 microseconds)
Thanks! I got to see that gorgeous new Aqua beachball (yes, it's an Aqua version of the b&w beachball) for a good while, there. It's so purty I could stare at it all bay long -- not that you'll typically have to -- I RARELY see it.
<strong>You can't compare that. They are announcing Jaguar as being released in about four months, but they told people that they could buy the iMac the same day and delivered in a couple of weeks, but it was delayed.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The iMac was announced on January 7, with the SuperDrive model being released in "late January", the Combo in "February", and CD-RW in "March". Before the production problems, there was still a wait of between three and twelve weeks before the first of each type of iMac started shipping.
[quote]<strong>Well, blame the Internet. Apple have been very good at keeping Jaguar a secret, but at soome time the developers had to know about it, and you know that a few houors after the developers get their hands on new software you can find at your local Carracho server.
By announcing it a few hours before Joe Schmoe installs it, there is still an element of surprise, and it is a lot more exciting to read/see a product presentation, when you don't know everything that's being presented.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And yet Apple was very, very protective of earlier versions of OS X. They've chosen to go public with it. There is absolutely no reason to show off features like a new Address Book and iChat now unless you're trying to attract public interest.
[quote]<strong>Because developers can make products that interact with those "superficial improvements".
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hogwash. These features are, as I say, to generate public interest. Developers could care less whether there's an Apple alternative to AIM, or a fancier address book.
And as I mentioned before, the information has been posted on the apple.com OS X page, not the developer site.
The only developers who'll have the slightest bit of interest are Karelia, who may well feel aggrieved, and the various shareware developers who produce AIM alternatives.
<strong>starfleetX did you get my email?</strong><hr></blockquote>Yup. I just responded to it. Twice -- you'll see. <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
It seems from this pic that Apple has not in fact forgotten people with scanners! Of course, the scanner manufacturers still seem to be forgetting that people with scanners have OSX
I've never understood why people complained about pre-announcing. Isn't it a good thing? It allows people to plan and budget their purchases better. The only downside is to Apple, because they will lose some sales of current products that they could have sold if instead they had sneaked the new products up on us.
The only argument I've seen that pre-announcing is bad is that it's a way of muscling into a market place by putting current competitors out of business early. And I don't see how Apple is doing that here, except maybe to the shareware developers you mentioned. And it's hard to see that Apple is really trying to muscle shareware out of competition.
The more Apple lets us know what they're doing in advance, the better for consumers.
The only developers who'll have the slightest bit of interest are Karelia, who may well feel aggrieved, and the various shareware developers who produce AIM alternatives.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'd be very much surprised if Karelia didn't recieve some manner of compensation from Apple, either for code or the general concept of Watson. Sherlock 3 is just too similar.
As far as the various 3rd party AIM developers, i've gathered that the only one which really feels directly threatened by iChat is Adam Iser- who produces Adium. The others (Proteus and Fire) have the 'multi-service' thing to fall back on. Adium will still have the mounds of customizability, and the neat interface options... plus, it's free... so...
<strong>The iMac was announced on January 7, with the SuperDrive model being released in "late January", the Combo in "February", and CD-RW in "March". Before the production problems, there was still a wait of between three and twelve weeks before the first of each type of iMac started shipping.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The difference was that you could order the iMac - you can't order Jaguar.
[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
<strong>And yet Apple was very, very protective of earlier versions of OS X. They've chosen to go public with it. There is absolutely no reason to show off features like a new Address Book and iChat now unless you're trying to attract public interest.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And what's wrong with that?
[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
<strong>The only developers who'll have the slightest bit of interest are Karelia, who may well feel aggrieved, and the various shareware developers who produce AIM alternatives.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And the ones wanting to integrate Address Book in their apps.
<strong>I'd be very much surprised if Karelia didn't recieve some manner of compensation from Apple, either for code or the general concept of Watson. Sherlock 3 is just too similar.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>As far as the various 3rd party AIM developers, i've gathered that the only one which really feels directly threatened by iChat is Adam Iser- who produces Adium.</strong><hr></blockquote>After several hours of testing iChat, I am fairly sure that Adam won't have much to ph33r from Apple's iChat. I suspect the only people who will prefer iChat are those who either don't know about Adium or those who think everything Apple does is perfect and just run it because it's plastered with Apple's name.
Believe me, iChat ain't all that great. Yet. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Also, this Watson-like Sherlock 3 is *not* included.
starfleet , how is resizing of the iPhoto window? It's dog slow on my machines in 10.1.
Could you try the open with cmm on some file that doesn't have any extension (strip it from a .sit file for exple, then ul it to a ftp server to strip it of type info)
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I saw that you posted screenshots of a 10.2 firewall. Does that mean that 10.2 ships with a GUI for the firewall? And just after I got Brickhouse up and running. Doh!
GG
Personally, I'm curious what's behind those new "Digital Hub" system prefs. Any chance of a getting a screenshot or two of those?
rr.
Jaguar is responsive. It is actually incredible. The GUI has finally caught up with the system and this is four months before release. I can't even imagine the final! Everything across the board is faster, from Finder to web browsing to starting Classic. Remarkable OS.
[quote]Oh, and can you adjust that huge grid size <hr></blockquote>No grid adjustment, but it does seem to resize automatically a little better than before. I'll make a movie of it later.
[quote]could we see some shots of iChat in use? the buddy list, the different menus/preferences, the different chat window options (with and without bubbles)<hr></blockquote>Coming right up...
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat1.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat1.jpg</a>;
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat2.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat2.jpg</a>;
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat3.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat3.jpg</a>;
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat4.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat4.jpg</a>;
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat5.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat5.jpg</a>;
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat6.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-ichat6.jpg</a>;
And this last one I see a lot in iChat
[ 05-09-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
[quote]Personally, I'm curious what's behind those new "Digital Hub" system prefs. Any chance of a getting a screenshot or two of those?<hr></blockquote>Coming right up!
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub0.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub0.jpg</a>;
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub1.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub1.jpg</a>;
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub2.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub2.jpg</a>;
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub3.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub3.jpg</a>;
<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub4.jpg"; target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-dighub4.jpg</a>;
[quote]starfleetx, what hardware are you running Jaguar on?<hr></blockquote>Dual 500 G4 (gigabit ethernet edition) with a 32MB AGP Radeon (OEM).
[quote]So I was wondering if anybody has played around with the inkwell stuff. I just installed the Jaguar release, but I'm not seeing anything to do with inkwell<hr></blockquote>I can't seem to find it either.
[ 05-09-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
<a href="http://www.vgg.com/rob/WindowsBloom.html"; target="_blank">http://www.vgg.com/rob/WindowsBloom.html</a>;
<hr></blockquote>I can't build a fresh copy now (no dev tools yet) but I can run an old copy I had before -- the results:
Total time to create and dispose 1000 windows: 71 seconds (71749441 microseconds)
Thanks! I got to see that gorgeous new Aqua beachball (yes, it's an Aqua version of the b&w beachball) for a good while, there. It's so purty I could stare at it all bay long -- not that you'll typically have to -- I RARELY see it.
[ 05-09-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
<strong>You can't compare that. They are announcing Jaguar as being released in about four months, but they told people that they could buy the iMac the same day and delivered in a couple of weeks, but it was delayed.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The iMac was announced on January 7, with the SuperDrive model being released in "late January", the Combo in "February", and CD-RW in "March". Before the production problems, there was still a wait of between three and twelve weeks before the first of each type of iMac started shipping.
[quote]<strong>Well, blame the Internet. Apple have been very good at keeping Jaguar a secret, but at soome time the developers had to know about it, and you know that a few houors after the developers get their hands on new software you can find at your local Carracho server.
By announcing it a few hours before Joe Schmoe installs it, there is still an element of surprise, and it is a lot more exciting to read/see a product presentation, when you don't know everything that's being presented.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And yet Apple was very, very protective of earlier versions of OS X. They've chosen to go public with it. There is absolutely no reason to show off features like a new Address Book and iChat now unless you're trying to attract public interest.
[quote]<strong>Because developers can make products that interact with those "superficial improvements".
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hogwash.
And as I mentioned before, the information has been posted on the apple.com OS X page, not the developer site.
The only developers who'll have the slightest bit of interest are Karelia, who may well feel aggrieved, and the various shareware developers who produce AIM alternatives.
[ 05-09-2002: Message edited by: Belle ]</p>
<strong>starfleetX did you get my email?</strong><hr></blockquote>Yup. I just responded to it. Twice
It seems from this pic that Apple has not in fact forgotten people with scanners!
Thanks starfleetX
rr.
The only argument I've seen that pre-announcing is bad is that it's a way of muscling into a market place by putting current competitors out of business early. And I don't see how Apple is doing that here, except maybe to the shareware developers you mentioned. And it's hard to see that Apple is really trying to muscle shareware out of competition.
The more Apple lets us know what they're doing in advance, the better for consumers.
<strong>
The only developers who'll have the slightest bit of interest are Karelia, who may well feel aggrieved, and the various shareware developers who produce AIM alternatives.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'd be very much surprised if Karelia didn't recieve some manner of compensation from Apple, either for code or the general concept of Watson. Sherlock 3 is just too similar.
As far as the various 3rd party AIM developers, i've gathered that the only one which really feels directly threatened by iChat is Adam Iser- who produces Adium. The others (Proteus and Fire) have the 'multi-service' thing to fall back on. Adium will still have the mounds of customizability, and the neat interface options... plus, it's free... so...
I believe tat his has been asked before, but I could not find it or the response.
Thanks for showing off 10.2
<strong>The iMac was announced on January 7, with the SuperDrive model being released in "late January", the Combo in "February", and CD-RW in "March". Before the production problems, there was still a wait of between three and twelve weeks before the first of each type of iMac started shipping.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The difference was that you could order the iMac - you can't order Jaguar.
[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
<strong>And yet Apple was very, very protective of earlier versions of OS X. They've chosen to go public with it. There is absolutely no reason to show off features like a new Address Book and iChat now unless you're trying to attract public interest.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And what's wrong with that?
[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
<strong>The only developers who'll have the slightest bit of interest are Karelia, who may well feel aggrieved, and the various shareware developers who produce AIM alternatives.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And the ones wanting to integrate Address Book in their apps.
<strong>I'd be very much surprised if Karelia didn't recieve some manner of compensation from Apple, either for code or the general concept of Watson. Sherlock 3 is just too similar.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And they just got an Apple Design Award.
<strong>As far as the various 3rd party AIM developers, i've gathered that the only one which really feels directly threatened by iChat is Adam Iser- who produces Adium.</strong><hr></blockquote>After several hours of testing iChat, I am fairly sure that Adam won't have much to ph33r from Apple's iChat. I suspect the only people who will prefer iChat are those who either don't know about Adium or those who think everything Apple does is perfect and just run it because it's plastered with Apple's name.
Believe me, iChat ain't all that great. Yet. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Also, this Watson-like Sherlock 3 is *not* included.
[ 05-09-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
Could you try the open with cmm on some file that doesn't have any extension (strip it from a .sit file for exple, then ul it to a ftp server to strip it of type info)