How well do they behave???? I am having trouble updating FCP to 3.02. I plan to just stick with 3.01 . If this version runs without problem under Jaquar I will consider upgrade this OS.....
How well do they behave???? I am having trouble updating FCP to 3.02. I plan to just stick with 3.01 . If this version runs without problem under Jaquar I will consider upgrade this OS.....</strong><hr></blockquote>
Keep in mind that all sort of things will be broken in a prerelease build, so incompatibility with the developer preview does not imply imcompatibility with the released product.
I've noticed Apple hasn't been terribly aggressive trying to get rumor sites to pull Jaguar screenshots. Do they figure that a) the cat is out of the bag b)trying a new strategy with the Mac web might be more constructive than sending a cease and desist letter every 5 minutes.
Perhaps it is a bit of a sign it is nearer rather than farther <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
I think "late summer" is a lesson learned from the public beta "technically, late september is stil summer!" FUBAR. I wouldn't be surprised if they have mid-July written all over their calendars in their cubicles, but instead giving themselves plenty of breathing room in public. Software is ALWAYS late.
Is CUPS printing implemented in Jaguar? Is it any faster/more stable than 10.1.x printing?
Is it possible to select more options, are the printing dialogs more useful, do they allow more specific output options? Is it possible to change the default PDF-generation settings?
Basically, I would like to know if they have implemented a feature that allow you to create a new message with a enclosed document just by dragging the file to the mail icon.
<strong>"Plus, if its released at AppleExpo in Paris, it gives me something more to look forward too"
You're not a male Libran by any chance?
Lemon Bon Bon :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
Libran as in Libra? Umm, no but I am a Scorpio
BTW, the list of supported scanners is not officially available because its a developer preview. But if you look on this page or the last one I think StarFleetX wrote a few Epson scanners that were supported.
There *should* be a lot more by the time it ships.
looks pretty impressive. According to <a href="http://www.macrumors.com"; target="_blank">MacRumors</a> this was done on a G4 450 dual</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hehe. That's peanuts compared to the demos I saw at WWDC.
In the Midi/Audio Devices prefrences, is there an option for more that 2 channels of output? It looks like it's a pull down menu. Can you show or speak to what's listed there? I'm practically dying to use my G4 as a home theater PC, but without 5.1 sound, it just isn't worth it.
Do tell. You can't leave us there hanging like dogs can you??? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I'll tell you about the one that was briefly shown in the keynote (and explained in great detail in one the Quartz sessions).
But, before I describe the scene, I want to make it very clear what Quartz Extreme (QE) is. QE is not about graphics acceleration. It's more accurate to think of graphics acceleration as a side effect of what QE does. Quartz Extreme is literally an implementation of the Quartz Compositor in OpenGL. And, not only that, but all I/O operations are carefully coded to use DMA only (versus programmed I/O), freeing the processor from both compositing the pixels, and pushing them out to the destination device (ie: the "side effect").
And to further clarify, the term Quartz refers to two seperate elements. One is Quartz 2D. This is the 2D API that is used to draw 2D elements. The other is the Quartz Compositor. This piece is responsible for integrating and compositing the 2D, 3D, and media elements generated by Quartz 2D, OpenGL, and QuickTime. Quartz Extreme deals with the Quartz Compositor, not Quartz 2D. So, to reiterate, Quartz Extreme does not accelerate Quartz 2D.
(the popular view of graphics in Mac OS X)
(what's actually there)
So, on to the demo in the keynote.
During the keynote, the primary demo used to show off the power of the Quartz Compositor involved the compositing of several layers of raw motion pictures from a movie, to create a scene (sorry, can't remember which movie it's from). Now, this doesn't sound too terribly complex, does it? You're probably thinking, "Final Cut Pro can do that now with its real-time effects!" Well, here's what made this hard (read: impossible) to do before, in real-time, without additional add-on cards.
The scene consisted of 5 layers:
-one background plate with the "sky" and background scenery
-one back ground plate of a train station, with green screen where the sky and environment should show through
-two layers of actors, on stages, in front of a green screen
-one layer of a model train, on a stage, in front of a green screen
During the keynote, these five layers were composited, with garbage mattes, chroma keys and colour correction, all in real time! It doesn't sound as impressive with me describing it here, but try this in After Effects and it would take hours to render! Remember: real-time!
However, during one of the Quartz session I attended, this demo was went over in greater detail, with even more complexity added to the scene. So, what was added?
-the angle on the two plates of actors, and the train station were off. The actors were skewed, rotated, and scaled to match, in real time.
-three floating, rotating, transparent 3D objects were added
-realtime scrolling credits were added to the scene
You had to have seen it, to fully understand how incredible this was.
As for the DVD demo movie that was posted earlier today, a similar demo was shown at WWDC. However, it involved a DVD movie, 20 transparent terminal windows (which is actually 40 transparent layers in the Quartz Compositor), and the same 3 floating, rotating, transparent 3D objects floating above all that. For comparison, it's not even possible to composite the volume indicator in front of a DVD in 10.1.4!
I wish I could tell you guys everything about QE. But, if I did that, I probably wouldn't be able to get stuff from Apple anymore.
But, the point is: do not think of Quartz Extreme as graphics acceleration, think of Quartz Extreme as a graphics compositor on steroids^(squared). As I said, the "graphics acceleration" is more of a side effect, despite the exponential increase in complexity that Quartz Extreme allows. Another note: all the new OpenGL extensions required to make the QE version of the Quartz Compositor are also available to developers. So, it's really up to the developers to come up with interesting (eg: 40 terminals over a DVD) and useful (eg: the film compositing demo) ways to use this new power.
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[ 06-17-2002: Message edited by: King Chung Huang ]</p>
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<strong>Yes.
Yes.
Don't have it.
How well do they behave???? I am having trouble updating FCP to 3.02. I plan to just stick with 3.01 . If this version runs without problem under Jaquar I will consider upgrade this OS.....
<strong>
How well do they behave???? I am having trouble updating FCP to 3.02. I plan to just stick with 3.01 . If this version runs without problem under Jaquar I will consider upgrade this OS.....</strong><hr></blockquote>
Keep in mind that all sort of things will be broken in a prerelease build, so incompatibility with the developer preview does not imply imcompatibility with the released product.
From what I have seen and tried, Jaguar is doing pretty damn well... who knows if Apple will manage.
Not only will Apple manage, but is MWNY enough time for DEVELOPERS to make adequate adjustments?
Plus, if its released at AppleExpo in Paris, it gives me something more to look forward too
You're not a male Libran by any chance?
Lemon Bon Bon :cool:
<strong>According to <a href="http://www.macedition.com/nmr/nmr_20020517.php"; target="_blank">this rumor</a> Jaguar will ship MWNY.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've noticed Apple hasn't been terribly aggressive trying to get rumor sites to pull Jaguar screenshots. Do they figure that a) the cat is out of the bag b)trying a new strategy with the Mac web might be more constructive than sending a cease and desist letter every 5 minutes.
Perhaps it is a bit of a sign it is nearer rather than farther <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Is CUPS printing implemented in Jaguar? Is it any faster/more stable than 10.1.x printing?
Is it possible to select more options, are the printing dialogs more useful, do they allow more specific output options? Is it possible to change the default PDF-generation settings?
Got a question about mail.
Could someone with Jaguar try this :
Drag a file on the Mail icon in the dock.
Does it do anything?
Basically, I would like to know if they have implemented a feature that allow you to create a new message with a enclosed document just by dragging the file to the mail icon.
Thanks,
Philippe
Philippe
[ 05-21-2002: Message edited by: philrobin ]</p>
<strong>"Plus, if its released at AppleExpo in Paris, it gives me something more to look forward too"
You're not a male Libran by any chance?
Lemon Bon Bon :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
Libran as in Libra? Umm, no but I am a Scorpio
BTW, the list of supported scanners is not officially available because its a developer preview. But if you look on this page or the last one I think StarFleetX wrote a few Epson scanners that were supported.
There *should* be a lot more by the time it ships.
looks pretty impressive. According to <a href="http://www.macrumors.com"; target="_blank">MacRumors</a> this was done on a G4 450 dual
<strong>Has anyone else seen this <a href="http://www.macnytt.com/files/files/QuartzExtremeTestriktigfil.mov"; target="_blank">Quart Extreme preview</a> ?
looks pretty impressive. According to <a href="http://www.macrumors.com"; target="_blank">MacRumors</a> this was done on a G4 450 dual</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hehe. That's peanuts compared to the demos I saw at WWDC.
In the Midi/Audio Devices prefrences, is there an option for more that 2 channels of output? It looks like it's a pull down menu. Can you show or speak to what's listed there? I'm practically dying to use my G4 as a home theater PC, but without 5.1 sound, it just isn't worth it.
Thanks,
Do tell. You can't leave us there hanging like dogs can you???
<strong>
Do tell. You can't leave us there hanging like dogs can you???
Well, I'll tell you about the one that was briefly shown in the keynote (and explained in great detail in one the Quartz sessions).
But, before I describe the scene, I want to make it very clear what Quartz Extreme (QE) is. QE is not about graphics acceleration. It's more accurate to think of graphics acceleration as a side effect of what QE does. Quartz Extreme is literally an implementation of the Quartz Compositor in OpenGL. And, not only that, but all I/O operations are carefully coded to use DMA only (versus programmed I/O), freeing the processor from both compositing the pixels, and pushing them out to the destination device (ie: the "side effect").
And to further clarify, the term Quartz refers to two seperate elements. One is Quartz 2D. This is the 2D API that is used to draw 2D elements. The other is the Quartz Compositor. This piece is responsible for integrating and compositing the 2D, 3D, and media elements generated by Quartz 2D, OpenGL, and QuickTime. Quartz Extreme deals with the Quartz Compositor, not Quartz 2D. So, to reiterate, Quartz Extreme does not accelerate Quartz 2D.
(the popular view of graphics in Mac OS X)
(what's actually there)
So, on to the demo in the keynote.
During the keynote, the primary demo used to show off the power of the Quartz Compositor involved the compositing of several layers of raw motion pictures from a movie, to create a scene (sorry, can't remember which movie it's from). Now, this doesn't sound too terribly complex, does it? You're probably thinking, "Final Cut Pro can do that now with its real-time effects!" Well, here's what made this hard (read: impossible) to do before, in real-time, without additional add-on cards.
The scene consisted of 5 layers:
- -one background plate with the "sky" and background scenery
During the keynote, these five layers were composited, with garbage mattes, chroma keys and colour correction, all in real time! It doesn't sound as impressive with me describing it here, but try this in After Effects and it would take hours to render! Remember: real-time!-one back ground plate of a train station, with green screen where the sky and environment should show through
-two layers of actors, on stages, in front of a green screen
-one layer of a model train, on a stage, in front of a green screen
However, during one of the Quartz session I attended, this demo was went over in greater detail, with even more complexity added to the scene. So, what was added?
- -the angle on the two plates of actors, and the train station were off. The actors were skewed, rotated, and scaled to match, in real time.
You had to have seen it, to fully understand how incredible this was.-three floating, rotating, transparent 3D objects were added
-realtime scrolling credits were added to the scene
As for the DVD demo movie that was posted earlier today, a similar demo was shown at WWDC. However, it involved a DVD movie, 20 transparent terminal windows (which is actually 40 transparent layers in the Quartz Compositor), and the same 3 floating, rotating, transparent 3D objects floating above all that. For comparison, it's not even possible to composite the volume indicator in front of a DVD in 10.1.4!
I wish I could tell you guys everything about QE. But, if I did that, I probably wouldn't be able to get stuff from Apple anymore.
But, the point is: do not think of Quartz Extreme as graphics acceleration, think of Quartz Extreme as a graphics compositor on steroids^(squared). As I said, the "graphics acceleration" is more of a side effect, despite the exponential increase in complexity that Quartz Extreme allows. Another note: all the new OpenGL extensions required to make the QE version of the Quartz Compositor are also available to developers. So, it's really up to the developers to come up with interesting (eg: 40 terminals over a DVD) and useful (eg: the film compositing demo) ways to use this new power.
(edit: minor reformatting)
(edit June 17, 2002: updated image src)
[ 06-17-2002: Message edited by: King Chung Huang ]</p>