Clearly, they should have consulted you for it's painfully apparent that change is something you have a hard time swallowing.
I know I'm fairly negative to change (and whiny), but I cannot honestly see what this improves (other than saving 20 pixels of screen real estate), and it breaks with the behaviour of a lot of other applications.
Another nit-pick is the removal of the loading bar. Why?
Seriously, I'm thrilled over CSS3 and this is the first step bringing it closer to public use, but it worked just as well in the Safari 4 Developer Preview, without useless interface changes. I can't even revert to the DP, since Apple seems to have removed it from ADC.
I'm worried that Cover Flow is the beginning of unnecessary feature bloat. Did people really ask for that?
It's one of the few UI list views that can scale to to arbitrary sizes both in terms of preview area and in terms of number or items. The same could not be said about tabs or other UI attrocities.
I'm also not liking the tabs in the title bar. Kudos to Apple for trying it; now please put it back, or let us have a pref to switch to the old style.
I've already crashed the Windows version a couple times. Try accessing the Prefrences while a page is loading. For me the pref window never opens. Oops.
I also can't access my corporate intranet site - on Windows. On Mac I get the usual security certificate warning, but on Windows it just spins and spins.
Seems pretty snappy and nice. However it does break GrowlMail quite badly: Every time I get a new email now Mail crashes. Removing GrowlMail fixes it right up.
Wow...Apple has really gone out of its way to fuck up all HI guidelines with Safari 4.
In you want to move a Safari window and you like tabs, good luck clicking part of the titlebar that isn't a "rip a tab out" grab-handle widget or a close widget.
Although the concept is interesting, in practice, this tab UI is horrendous. ....
It's always amazing to me how someone can use something for like, ... a minute, an decide that it's crap.
The new tabs certainly are strange, but I don't see any of the behaviour you see during my minute or two of use. The windows move fine for me, tabs can be dragged around fine, etc.
I think the more important thing to notice about the tabs is how apple just did an end run around Chrome's UI.
I tried it and I like it so far. Closing the tabs, not so bad = Command/W and I kinda like where they're placed now.
My only complaint is how slow the "Top Sites" page takes to load, running now for 20 minutes and 4 pages still haven't loaded. Will take time getting used to, but all in all I like it.
Crashes on launch if you have Glims installed. Also breaks reflections in Bowtie (but they should be able to use Webkit reflections instead of javascript). Kinda digging it overall.
For the record, Safari AdBlock still works perfectly and since that's the only plug-in I use I'm a happy camper.
Hey guys, is it me or do u guys feel that safari's active window colour shade is a bit less grey than the overall system? Cos now its hard to distinguish which window is the open one..
It's always amazing to me how someone can use something for like, ... a minute, an decide that it's crap.
The new tabs certainly are strange, but I don't see any of the behaviour you see during my minute or two of use. The windows move fine for me, tabs can be dragged around fine, etc.
I think the more important thing to notice about the tabs is how apple just did an end run around Chrome's UI.
Well, you know what they say about first impressions.
If things don't feel right in the first minute, chances are they're never going to feel right.
I doubt the "windows move fine" for you...if you're sending the cursor up to the title bar to grab it and move the window and you hit a grab-handle, you'll be pulling a tab out instead of moving the window. Sure, it's still possible to move the window but it now becomes more difficult as the number of tabs grow since it's now a game of precision.
Changing that does not seem to effect Safari's toolbar search box, that is what I was referring to.
Yeah I hate this also. A couple of versions ago they made it impossible to remove the Google search box from the title bar. Kinda shameful since there is no good reason for this other than some tie-in agreement with Google.
Now I've heard about the wacky way in which you refuse to use tabs though, I'm kinda wondering if I'm just being an old fogey about it. It doesn't seem to bother anyone else at all which is usually an indication of "old-hattery."
Gaaa.... They still don't have their own LAN settings page. I can't use it otherwise. Please Apple I would LOVE to use your browser at work but I can't because the proxy is setup for IE only and the only other way around it is to specify your proxies. Stop sending me to the freakin' windows property page - you want it to get adopted quicker? 1) cut down on the install so people without admin rights can install it and 2) make your own proxy connection page rather than using window's sh!tty one. Sadness
EDIT: Sweet - looks like they have unlocked some of the proxy settings so I can actually get it to work.
Tabs on top is a Chrome feature that I hated, and Safari adopted it.
Menu buttons on the right of address bar is from IE.
I don't understand what Apple is trying to do. There are good improvements and tricks in this beta, but the layout is copied from other browsers, and I didn't like them at all.
Thank God there is Firefox around. I can't give it up. No browser is even close to Firefox. I love it, the look (which is extensible every way possible), the extensions, everything on it, I like it. Both on Mac and PC.
Hey guys, is it me or do u guys feel that safari's active window colour shade is a bit less grey than the overall system? Cos now its hard to distinguish which window is the open one..
Indeed. That's what happens when developers start using custom window widgets.
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Clearly, they should have consulted you for it's painfully apparent that change is something you have a hard time swallowing.
I know I'm fairly negative to change (and whiny), but I cannot honestly see what this improves (other than saving 20 pixels of screen real estate), and it breaks with the behaviour of a lot of other applications.
Another nit-pick is the removal of the loading bar. Why?
Seriously, I'm thrilled over CSS3 and this is the first step bringing it closer to public use, but it worked just as well in the Safari 4 Developer Preview, without useless interface changes. I can't even revert to the DP, since Apple seems to have removed it from ADC.
I'm worried that Cover Flow is the beginning of unnecessary feature bloat. Did people really ask for that?
It's one of the few UI list views that can scale to to arbitrary sizes both in terms of preview area and in terms of number or items. The same could not be said about tabs or other UI attrocities.
I'm also not liking the tabs in the title bar. Kudos to Apple for trying it; now please put it back, or let us have a pref to switch to the old style.
I've already crashed the Windows version a couple times. Try accessing the Prefrences while a page is loading. For me the pref window never opens. Oops.
I also can't access my corporate intranet site - on Windows. On Mac I get the usual security certificate warning, but on Windows it just spins and spins.
- Jasen.
The omnipresence of CoverFlow is a welcomed move though. Top Sites looks great too.
But the Windows version looks really fugly, almost painful(I never though I would use the F-word to describe an apple product...)
Safari don't need to blend in for crying out loud! iTunes UI don't consolidate with Windows (hopefully still won't) and it looks rather nice.
I'll switch as soon as Apple makes the bookmark-syncing feature of Mobile Me free. Foxmarks for Firefox does it for free and works like a dream.
In case you aren't aware, Foxmarks is available for Safari now.
Oh the Title bar!!!!! What are they smoking~~~~
The omnipressence of CoverFlow is a welcomed move though. TopSite looks great too.
But the Windows version looks really fugly, almost painful(I never though I would use the F-word to describe an apple product...)
Safari don't need to blend in for crying out loud! iTunes UI don't consolidate with Windows (hopefully still won't) and it looks rather nice.
Agree about the Windows version. The font rendering I think is an improvement but the overall look is too reminiscent of IE (that's not a compliment).
Wow...Apple has really gone out of its way to fuck up all HI guidelines with Safari 4.
In you want to move a Safari window and you like tabs, good luck clicking part of the titlebar that isn't a "rip a tab out" grab-handle widget or a close widget.
Although the concept is interesting, in practice, this tab UI is horrendous. ....
It's always amazing to me how someone can use something for like, ... a minute, an decide that it's crap.
The new tabs certainly are strange, but I don't see any of the behaviour you see during my minute or two of use. The windows move fine for me, tabs can be dragged around fine, etc.
I think the more important thing to notice about the tabs is how apple just did an end run around Chrome's UI.
Hey! Stop surfing porn!
Geez, yOUR mind's in the gutter.
I tried it and I like it so far. Closing the tabs, not so bad = Command/W and I kinda like where they're placed now.
My only complaint is how slow the "Top Sites" page takes to load, running now for 20 minutes and 4 pages still haven't loaded. Will take time getting used to, but all in all I like it.
Crashes on launch if you have Glims installed. Also breaks reflections in Bowtie (but they should be able to use Webkit reflections instead of javascript). Kinda digging it overall.
For the record, Safari AdBlock still works perfectly and since that's the only plug-in I use I'm a happy camper.
much better than safari 3
I really don't know who claims that. Very ignorant. Opera 10 passed Acid3 in December when it was in alpha version, the beta passes aswell, 3 months ago.
Not true. Opera passed the Acid 3 test about half a day *after* Safari. I know it's picky, but it happens to be true.
It's always amazing to me how someone can use something for like, ... a minute, an decide that it's crap.
The new tabs certainly are strange, but I don't see any of the behaviour you see during my minute or two of use. The windows move fine for me, tabs can be dragged around fine, etc.
I think the more important thing to notice about the tabs is how apple just did an end run around Chrome's UI.
Well, you know what they say about first impressions.
If things don't feel right in the first minute, chances are they're never going to feel right.
I doubt the "windows move fine" for you...if you're sending the cursor up to the title bar to grab it and move the window and you hit a grab-handle, you'll be pulling a tab out instead of moving the window. Sure, it's still possible to move the window but it now becomes more difficult as the number of tabs grow since it's now a game of precision.
Changing that does not seem to effect Safari's toolbar search box, that is what I was referring to.
Yeah I hate this also. A couple of versions ago they made it impossible to remove the Google search box from the title bar. Kinda shameful since there is no good reason for this other than some tie-in agreement with Google.
Now I've heard about the wacky way in which you refuse to use tabs though, I'm kinda wondering if I'm just being an old fogey about it. It doesn't seem to bother anyone else at all which is usually an indication of "old-hattery."
I've stuck to Firefox so far, perhaps Safari 4 will sway me, we'll have to see.
Not if you want to use Gmail. I tried it and it didn't work. The only way I can access Gmail in Safari4 is through the crippled version on iGoogle.
EDIT: Sweet - looks like they have unlocked some of the proxy settings so I can actually get it to work.
Menu buttons on the right of address bar is from IE.
I don't understand what Apple is trying to do. There are good improvements and tricks in this beta, but the layout is copied from other browsers, and I didn't like them at all.
Thank God there is Firefox around. I can't give it up. No browser is even close to Firefox. I love it, the look (which is extensible every way possible), the extensions, everything on it, I like it. Both on Mac and PC.
Not if you want to use Gmail. I tried it and it didn't work. The only way I can access Gmail in Safari4 is through the crippled version on iGoogle.
Gmail works fine for me in Safari 4.
Hey guys, is it me or do u guys feel that safari's active window colour shade is a bit less grey than the overall system? Cos now its hard to distinguish which window is the open one..
Indeed. That's what happens when developers start using custom window widgets.