the update would have been okay if they included LED displays.
I am hoping Apple fixed the gradient displays or backlighting issues.... if not they are a joke.
That's exactly the point! I'm not complaining about anything else (and everything else about this update seems pretty fine to me), but the fact remains that the only thing bad about current (previous) iMacs is the display quality. I wouldn't find any other reason to upgrade, other than that. As others mentioned above, top of the line specs are rather useless for most users - my current iMac flies in every task I put it through... I just hate the display!
Let's put the intangible value of OS X off the table. Let's just look at straight up hardware. Can somebody please configure a comparable machine from Dell, HP, or whoever?
The US prices for iMacs are decent, but not the price for the single Quad Mac Pro. Dell's high-end XPS offers equal or better performance in all fields for $1900, and the XPS Studio offers equal performance in everything but graphics for $1100.
You can get a Dell XPS One 24" for $1599 with includes an Intel QUAD core processor and 4GB of ram.
But also alot of you don't get the point in that with HP or Acer or Lenevo or Dell people have the choice of paying $800 or less for new Quad Core headless desktops. Sure the Mini is cute and small but alot of people just want the best bang (Quad Core or i7) for the money. And headless is the way to go.
So, there you have it... same old display technology... horrendous 20'' TN LCD with narrow viewing angles and brightness gradient and sort of average 24'' LCD with a few problems of its own as well... why on earth didn't they upgrade the displays to LED, like on every other recent Apple product?! It doesn't make any sense...
Definitely an upgrade to ignore... something better will come.
All in one desktops? Didn't know they existed, but then again, I don't know PC's.
I see a Dell with an i7 processor and a 24" display (tower) for $2000AU. I guess that's about what the new powermacs are, without a display for about $4500AU +
You want to compare, go ahead, I'm all ears....
What u think the processors of the new Mac Pro are? Go google Nehalen or the Wikipedia.
Lets see.. the Dell you mentioned.
Does it have dual quadcores? -----> probably not
How much ram supports? NO regular windows support more than 3.26 GB of ram Mac Pro = 32
The Case of it is made of Premium Grade anodized aluminum?
Your Dell will cost 2k after you close the call? REALLY after 15 - 30 minutes with a sales rep that only wants to score upsales? Really?
So is there any advantage of paying the extra money for this new 'update'? Or would one be wise to buy an old stock iMac at a reduced price or a refurbished one? Are the improvements actually worth the extra $$$?
Hmmmmm.....a 'Lack-Luster' update that took FOREVER to come out.
Is it me, or am I the only one that really can't justify the cost of a mini ... is it the form factor that entices anyone? I think it was a cool form factor when it first came out, but, based on pricing alone, is a tough sell (to me anyways).
I'm glad they worked on their pricing strategy as at today's exchange rate, that $1199 computer should cost $1,545.51 in Canada, instead of the $1399 they're charging. Even at that ....there's a lot of hardware out there, expecially with a SALE that Apple NEVER has ... that people in this 'Recession THingy' that we're having that won't plop that money down.
Over the last few years I always said that when Apple updated the iMac, the features/price point was VERY comparable to the competition. I can't say that today and that I think is a big thing. That with the Recession, people will buy the 'More bang for their buck' and Operating System, etc. won't be as big of a criteria.
Unless they come out with 'NEW' hardware and a wow iPhone update ... I'd say sales overall are gonna be flat (even without the big 'R') .... so what's coming out on the 24th then?
What u think the processors of the new Mac Pro are? Go google Nehalen or the Wikipedia.
Lets see.. the Dell you mentioned.
Does it have dual quadcores? -----> probably not
How much ram supports? NO regular windows support more than 3.26 GB of ram Mac Pro = 32
The Case of it is made of Premium Grade anodized aluminum?
Your Dell will cost 2k after you close the call? REALLY after 15 - 30 minutes with a sales rep that only wants to score upsales? Really?
hehe
For the record, I was only joking about getting a Dell. I know one should never joke about such things, as sometimes they do happen
Yes, the mac pro would be better, but the dell does have better specs than the imac for cheaper is the issue. I will probably still be getting a new mac, I'm just bummed, I'm entitled to that.
Can't say I didn't toy with the idea of a hackintosh though...
The US prices for iMacs are decent, but not the price for the single Quad Mac Pro. Dell's high-end XPS offers equal or better performance in all fields for $1900, and the XPS Studio offers equal performance in everything but graphics for $1100.
However, the Dell is a poorly made computer compared to the Mac Pro. So stop comparing the two. If you want a cheap computer, buy the Dell.
You are such hypocrite, got get your AMD based clone and deal with vista, xp or hackingtosh.
LMAO, genuine Apple lover.... hahaha
This comments get better and better, this is sometimes like Star Wars Fans that only think the first 3 movies (originals) are the real thing.. and hammered George Lucas cause he made the prequels.
At the end he does as Apple what he/they think is they want.
Get over it!
Every corporation in the world would love to have customers such as yourself, they would never be able to do anything wrong!
It seems that it's the Gamers who have such a problem with the chips and speeds... errr... so go buy a WII or a PlayStation.
What a JOKE... a Wii, Xbox 360, or PlayStation can't match up to a Quad Core with ATI 4850. You can get so much better performance out of a good PC or Mac.
The Wii has similar specs probably to the AppleTV or the old Celeron based Xbox.
The Xbox 360 has 3 fairly limited cores and quite an older GPU. The total RAM of the system is only 512MB.
The PS3 which is theoretically the best still has a older GPU that is WORSE than the Xbox 360. Still limited to a total of 512RAM. The Cell Processor has yet to be conquered or proven that it has all this almighty power. Games still generally perform as good if not better on the Xbox 360.
So yes I will be buying a custom built quad core with ATI 4850 or 4870. If Apple had released a quad core I would have seriously considered it even though it probably would have cost alot more than what I plan on spending on my custom build.
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is it good enough to play games or even drive 24" monster?
the update would have been okay if they included LED displays.
I am hoping Apple fixed the gradient displays or backlighting issues.... if not they are a joke.
That's exactly the point! I'm not complaining about anything else (and everything else about this update seems pretty fine to me), but the fact remains that the only thing bad about current (previous) iMacs is the display quality. I wouldn't find any other reason to upgrade, other than that. As others mentioned above, top of the line specs are rather useless for most users - my current iMac flies in every task I put it through... I just hate the display!
Let's put the intangible value of OS X off the table. Let's just look at straight up hardware. Can somebody please configure a comparable machine from Dell, HP, or whoever?
The US prices for iMacs are decent, but not the price for the single Quad Mac Pro. Dell's high-end XPS offers equal or better performance in all fields for $1900, and the XPS Studio offers equal performance in everything but graphics for $1100.
But also alot of you don't get the point in that with HP or Acer or Lenevo or Dell people have the choice of paying $800 or less for new Quad Core headless desktops. Sure the Mini is cute and small but alot of people just want the best bang (Quad Core or i7) for the money. And headless is the way to go.
9400M is it integrated graphics? any one can confirm?
is it good enough to play games or even drive 24" monster?
It is integrated. I played COD4 with 256MB just fine, of course the settings weren't up but i didn't have a lot of slow down.
When is the real update coming?
So, there you have it... same old display technology... horrendous 20'' TN LCD with narrow viewing angles and brightness gradient and sort of average 24'' LCD with a few problems of its own as well... why on earth didn't they upgrade the displays to LED, like on every other recent Apple product?! It doesn't make any sense...
Definitely an upgrade to ignore... something better will come.
Agreed.
So then, now that we're all disappointed.
When is the real update coming?
March 24th!
Let's put the intangible value of OS X off the table. Can somebody please configure a comparable machine from Dell
Apple iMac $1500
24 inch
2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 6MB shared L2 cache
4GB memory, 1066MHz DDR3 (max of 8GB)
640GB hard drive (7200 rpm)
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory
Dell XPS One $1600 (after instant discount)
XPS One™ with 24-inch widescreen display
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB L2 Cache
4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800Mhz - 2 DIMMs
Integrated Intel® GMA X4500HD Graphics
320GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM)
8-in-1 Media Reader Included
Apple iMac $1800
24 inch
2.93GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 6MB shared L2 cache
4GB memory, 1066MHz DDR3 (max of 8GB)
640GB hard drive (7200 rpm)
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 256MB memory
Dell XPS One $1900 (after instant discount)
XPS One™ with 24-inch widescreen display
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB L2 Cache
4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800Mhz - 2 DIMMs
512MB NVIDIA GeForce® 9600M GT
750GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM)
8-in-1 Media Reader Included
Apple iMac $2200
24 inch
3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 6MB shared L2 cache
4GB memory, 1066MHz DDR3 (max of 8GB)
1000GB hard drive (7200 rpm)
NVIDIA GeForce GT 130 with 512MB memory
All in one desktops? Didn't know they existed, but then again, I don't know PC's.
I see a Dell with an i7 processor and a 24" display (tower) for $2000AU. I guess that's about what the new powermacs are, without a display for about $4500AU +
You want to compare, go ahead, I'm all ears....
What u think the processors of the new Mac Pro are? Go google Nehalen or the Wikipedia.
Lets see.. the Dell you mentioned.
Does it have dual quadcores? -----> probably not
How much ram supports? NO regular windows support more than 3.26 GB of ram Mac Pro = 32
The Case of it is made of Premium Grade anodized aluminum?
Your Dell will cost 2k after you close the call? REALLY after 15 - 30 minutes with a sales rep that only wants to score upsales? Really?
hehe
Agreed.
Agreed x2.
So is there any advantage of paying the extra money for this new 'update'? Or would one be wise to buy an old stock iMac at a reduced price or a refurbished one? Are the improvements actually worth the extra $$$?
Is it me, or am I the only one that really can't justify the cost of a mini ... is it the form factor that entices anyone? I think it was a cool form factor when it first came out, but, based on pricing alone, is a tough sell (to me anyways).
I'm glad they worked on their pricing strategy as at today's exchange rate, that $1199 computer should cost $1,545.51 in Canada, instead of the $1399 they're charging. Even at that ....there's a lot of hardware out there, expecially with a SALE that Apple NEVER has ... that people in this 'Recession THingy' that we're having that won't plop that money down.
Over the last few years I always said that when Apple updated the iMac, the features/price point was VERY comparable to the competition. I can't say that today and that I think is a big thing. That with the Recession, people will buy the 'More bang for their buck' and Operating System, etc. won't be as big of a criteria.
Unless they come out with 'NEW' hardware and a wow iPhone update ... I'd say sales overall are gonna be flat (even without the big 'R') .... so what's coming out on the 24th then?
Cheapest iMac is up £50 in the UK. The cheapest Mac Mini is up £100! Damn this currency!
Up $80 here in Canada for the low end mini, and the high end one went up $150. There goes my son's chance of buying one any time soon.
The "low end" 24" iMac will run you $2,000 taxes in here. Yikes.
Still, Apple user since the late 1970s so I'm happy as hell with my new 13" MacBook.
Seems decent, but is the 9400M a good enough chip for a $1200 machine? I'm asking.
It is when the user doesn't want a computer with 3D graphics capabilities.
What u think the processors of the new Mac Pro are? Go google Nehalen or the Wikipedia.
Lets see.. the Dell you mentioned.
Does it have dual quadcores? -----> probably not
How much ram supports? NO regular windows support more than 3.26 GB of ram Mac Pro = 32
The Case of it is made of Premium Grade anodized aluminum?
Your Dell will cost 2k after you close the call? REALLY after 15 - 30 minutes with a sales rep that only wants to score upsales? Really?
hehe
For the record, I was only joking about getting a Dell. I know one should never joke about such things, as sometimes they do happen
Yes, the mac pro would be better, but the dell does have better specs than the imac for cheaper is the issue. I will probably still be getting a new mac, I'm just bummed, I'm entitled to that.
Can't say I didn't toy with the idea of a hackintosh though...
NO JOBS = NO APPLES!
WHAT A HORRIBLE UPDATE!
NO LED? NO BLU RAY? WHAT IS APPLE DOING?
the price of 2199$ US is 2599$ CDN LOL
NO THANKS!
Ps The exchange rate difference is not 40%
APPLE WANTS TO HOSE CUSTOMERS!
I'd pay a 10 to 15% difference not 40% for these specs.
You'd pay a 10 to 15% for a "HORRIBLE UPDATE" ??? Yeah right..., you really know what you're talking
(or having a temper tantrum) about...
The US prices for iMacs are decent, but not the price for the single Quad Mac Pro. Dell's high-end XPS offers equal or better performance in all fields for $1900, and the XPS Studio offers equal performance in everything but graphics for $1100.
However, the Dell is a poorly made computer compared to the Mac Pro. So stop comparing the two. If you want a cheap computer, buy the Dell.
You are such hypocrite, got get your AMD based clone and deal with vista, xp or hackingtosh.
LMAO, genuine Apple lover.... hahaha
This comments get better and better, this is sometimes like Star Wars Fans that only think the first 3 movies (originals) are the real thing.. and hammered George Lucas cause he made the prequels.
At the end he does as Apple what he/they think is they want.
Get over it!
Every corporation in the world would love to have customers such as yourself, they would never be able to do anything wrong!
It seems that it's the Gamers who have such a problem with the chips and speeds... errr... so go buy a WII or a PlayStation.
What a JOKE... a Wii, Xbox 360, or PlayStation can't match up to a Quad Core with ATI 4850. You can get so much better performance out of a good PC or Mac.
The Wii has similar specs probably to the AppleTV or the old Celeron based Xbox.
The Xbox 360 has 3 fairly limited cores and quite an older GPU. The total RAM of the system is only 512MB.
The PS3 which is theoretically the best still has a older GPU that is WORSE than the Xbox 360. Still limited to a total of 512RAM. The Cell Processor has yet to be conquered or proven that it has all this almighty power. Games still generally perform as good if not better on the Xbox 360.
So yes I will be buying a custom built quad core with ATI 4850 or 4870. If Apple had released a quad core I would have seriously considered it even though it probably would have cost alot more than what I plan on spending on my custom build.