I take your point...I came very close to getting a cheap Verizon phone (for coverage) and an iTouch (for wifi, emails, etc.) instead of upgrading my original iPhone...mainly because of the $100/mo data plan expense from ATT. In the end, I opted for the 3Gs and I very glad I did.
The 3Gs is magnificent compared to the original iPhone. And, besides, I didn't want to have to carry, charge, keep track of two units when I could just have one with the 3GS.
But again, Droid vs. iPhone is only half the argument....Apple's 'eco-system' is the other half. I'm sorry, I have better things to do than mess with trying to get a video from my phone to a windows based PC so anyone can view it....it's a nightmare. On Apple it's a dream!
Video from a iPhone is garbage. My 5 year old $500 camera does better and it has 10x zoom and auto everything. Plus I can add storage with more SD cards so I never run out on a trip with no signal or wifi to upload videos. SD slot is now standard on all new Mac's, but I use a USB converter.
I got a AT&T phone, only cost me voice as what I use. This last month I yacked a bit, it cost me $20. If I lose the phone overboard while fishing, it's only $20 for a new phone and minutes, compared to several hundred for a new iPhone.
I calculated the savings once and the iPhone and two year contract was equal to a new MacBook Pro every two years. I can get a iPhone no sweat, just don't see any value in getting one.
All I need now is a iPhone app emulator to run apps on my Mac.
Which I will check out the SDK, see if will work in reverse.
6.8% that have given up looking for work and/or lost unemployment benefits.
8% never had a job to begin with and were living off the government.
25% - there you go...
I shouldn't laugh because it's tough right now but the way you put it is funny.
But never bet against America, we are still a $14 trillion dollar economy, number 2 & 3 is, depending on what time of day it is, is sometimes China at only $4 Trillion and sometimes Japan at $4 trillion.
This is the best country in the world. After Thailand that is. (re. pretty girls, even the guys look like chicks! it's great!
Apple products appeal to the wealthy. The Droid is a "mannish" product, the type that needs discounts to appeal more to its demographic, whereas the iPhone is still hot, so price skimming will work for a while longer. Discounts devalue a brand long term though, not a good strategy. It may sell phones, but it doesn't command the company as much power in setting future prices... which means R&D would suffer as a result.
I'm not even close to "wealthy", but I was in Best Buy yesterday and I saw the Droid for the first time. It wasn't hooked up so I couldn't see what it could do, but I slid out the built in keyboard - DID NOT LIKE AT ALL, BUT WAS BETTER THAN THE PALM PRE AND I UTTERLY HATED THAT, and they also had an Apple iPhone 3GS and it was hooked up and you can see what it could do, typed on it's keyboard (again), went online, etc. Still not smartphone owner, though I'm mighty impressed still with the iPhone and if and when I get a app phone, it'd be iPhone 3GS or latest version hardware and phone OS.
Motorola, "motor" is definably more appealing to most men, not just the name either. The phones work and are reasonably priced, very attractive to those who earn their money and think along value and cost.
Apple on the other hand has always appealed to the more visual appealing types: women, children, gays and artist men like myself. Who on many times, rather pay a fortune to have the flashiest device and more likely to be caught by impulsive decisions.
I have an iPhone, and I don't fit your stereotype.
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I avoided the iPhone completely, unlike the many iPods I've owned, there is no way I'm going to pay over $100 a month...
Mine costs $70 per month. (I don't text, and I use it more for data than voice calls. My rollover minutes are in the stratosphere now.
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for a device that doesn't do much of anything very well that I can't do better with regular devices or my MacBook Pro.
You carry your MacBook Pro with you everywhere you go, and whip it out at a moments notice to look up some online info? You're pretty weird then.
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I'm still waiting for a iPhone app emulator, it can't be THAT hard, the processor in the iPhone isn't very powerful that a dual core can't emulate it.
There IS an iPhone app emulator, which is provided by Apple, so no it isn't that hard. I just don't think you'll find one available in the wild... nor a method to move said apps over to the Mac (unless you jailbreak your iPhone and then move them over manually).
All in all, your post is entirely uninspiring. I hope this isn't representative of all of your input here.
That's one hellavu fickle sampling of people they chose! Loyalty dropped almost in half for Apple? That seems very suspect. And to say Motorola rose above Apple is misleading. Actually according to the chart Motorola had a small rise and then started to fall back into place. It was (for some reason) Apple that dropped, which could be for reasons that have nothing to do with Verizon or Motorola.
What most of you seem to realize is that men in their 30s and 40s remember Motorola fondly. Many of us had Star Tacs and that was the most durable phone I've ever had. Plus everyone and their mother had a RAZR. So the Motorola brand is special to us.
I owned a StarTac and I almost bought a RAZR. The RAZR software was so gawd awful in its design and speed, though, I ultimately couldn't bring myself to buy. The RAZR was nothing but a glorified cell phone. History.
I'm not even close to "wealthy", but I was in Best Buy yesterday and I saw the Droid for the first time. It wasn't hooked up so I couldn't see what it could do, but I slid out the built in keyboard - DID NOT LIKE AT ALL, BUT WAS BETTER THAN THE PALM PRE AND I UTTERLY HATED THAT, and they also had an Apple iPhone 3GS and it was hooked up and you can see what it could do, typed on it's keyboard (again), went online, etc. Still not smartphone owner, though I'm mighty impressed still with the iPhone and if and when I get a app phone, it'd be iPhone 3GS or latest version hardware and phone OS.
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Nor am I, by any stretch of the imagination!
My first smartphone was an iPhone so it's going to be a hard sell to get me to change. I highly recommend the 3GS, I'm still rocking with the 3G. Since it went to Orange a few friends have made the purchase over and are enjoying it. Speaking of the Droid keyboard, Apple's "no moving parts" philosophy is a big draw as previous phones I had came complete with problematic "nubs" and joysticks.
the increase in brand loyalty has gone up based on a product that's been out for a couple weeks?
I agree... I think they might be confusing "loyalty" with "interest". I can certainly understand how interest in a brand would peak if something new was released. But that doesn't translate into people actually changing brands. Especially since most people would not pay the early termination fee to make the switch to a different phone on a different network. Hell, Apple couldn't even get some people to pay $10 to upgrade to iPhone OS 3.0 on their iPod Touches.
I'm not surprised about Motorola, i remember i used to get down on those things ever since the ROKR days until i got my first ever Blackberry Curve.
Still i will never leave my Blackberry for...anything really, and im sure there are quite a few who feel the same way lol.
BTW, you mean Apple iPhone in the end, not iPod
And you mean "your first Blackberry Curve." "First ever" is redundant, and a bit retarded, which would explain why your post made no attempt to further conversation other than shout that you use Blackberry.
Is there a reason you use RIM instead of Apple or Motorola? What qualifies your brand loyalty to RIM?
Another thing to consider is the fact that Droid just came out. It hasn't even been on the market for a full month, I find it strange that anyone could provide a valid source of polling and statistics to say that a product this new could really hold any real measure of brand loyalty.
I guess we will see how things change in the following months.
Video from a iPhone is garbage. My 5 year old $500 camera does better and it has 10x zoom and auto everything. Plus I can add storage with more SD cards so I never run out on a trip with no signal or wifi to upload videos. SD slot is now standard on all new Mac's, but I use a USB converter.
I got a AT&T phone, only cost me voice as what I use. This last month I yacked a bit, it cost me $20. If I lose the phone overboard while fishing, it's only $20 for a new phone and minutes, compared to several hundred for a new iPhone.
I calculated the savings once and the iPhone and two year contract was equal to a new MacBook Pro every two years. I can get a iPhone no sweat, just don't see any value in getting one.
All I need now is a iPhone app emulator to run apps on my Mac.
Which I will check out the SDK, see if will work in reverse.
you can't compare video from the iphone or any smartphone to a dedicated videocamera. hey, guess what? my canon dslr smokes the iphone's still capture mode and my garmin gps beats googlemaps and the built in gps on iphone. you're missing two of the most important things about the iphone. it does all in one device aka smartphone and it does it portably. what/why/how would an iphone app emulator do anyone any good on a pc except for a developer?
your iphone/plan calculation is correct but you're missing one important item. for those two years you won't have use of a smartphone anywhere anytime because you'll be saving up for a macbook pro that you cannot use anywhere at anytime.
btw, once you lose a $20 cellphone, you're paying more than $20 for a hardware replacement. it's called a subsidy and any phone that doesn't cost at least $200 without subsidy is a piece of crap and cannot be considered a smartphone. it's not elitist, it's just current technology and basic economics.
I hate to say that if you will change your loyalty based on a stupid commercial, it's pretty lame.
But hey, just like the crowds in Julius Caesar, whadda expect of the stupid?
Seriously, what does this Droid phone do that no other Android phone does? The new map GPS program? That's it?
It's got good hardware. I always preferred Android over the iPhone, but the G1 was lacking in power. This device has the power, the battery life to go along with the OS. But I need a GSM phone, so I'm still with the G1.
Video from a iPhone is garbage. My 5 year old $500 camera does better and it has 10x zoom and auto everything. Plus I can add storage with more SD cards so I never run out on a trip with no signal or wifi to upload videos. SD slot is now standard on all new Mac's, but I use a USB converter.
Take a physics class, tripper. Your video camera's lens has a focal length many times the thickness of an iPhone and an image sensor that's probably a few times larger as well. The iPhone can store hours of video on its internal memory -- no need for loose cards. Given its physical limitations, iPhone video is quite serviceable, particularly given that it's always available.
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I got a AT&T phone, only cost me voice as what I use. This last month I yacked a bit, it cost me $20. If I lose the phone overboard while fishing, it's only $20 for a new phone and minutes, compared to several hundred for a new iPhone.
Good for you, but don't lose your $500 camera overboard while trying to net that big fish! What do you mean you left your camera at home?
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I take your point...I came very close to getting a cheap Verizon phone (for coverage) and an iTouch (for wifi, emails, etc.) instead of upgrading my original iPhone...mainly because of the $100/mo data plan expense from ATT. In the end, I opted for the 3Gs and I very glad I did.
The 3Gs is magnificent compared to the original iPhone. And, besides, I didn't want to have to carry, charge, keep track of two units when I could just have one with the 3GS.
But again, Droid vs. iPhone is only half the argument....Apple's 'eco-system' is the other half. I'm sorry, I have better things to do than mess with trying to get a video from my phone to a windows based PC so anyone can view it....it's a nightmare. On Apple it's a dream!
Video from a iPhone is garbage. My 5 year old $500 camera does better and it has 10x zoom and auto everything. Plus I can add storage with more SD cards so I never run out on a trip with no signal or wifi to upload videos. SD slot is now standard on all new Mac's, but I use a USB converter.
I got a AT&T phone, only cost me voice as what I use. This last month I yacked a bit, it cost me $20. If I lose the phone overboard while fishing, it's only $20 for a new phone and minutes, compared to several hundred for a new iPhone.
I calculated the savings once and the iPhone and two year contract was equal to a new MacBook Pro every two years. I can get a iPhone no sweat, just don't see any value in getting one.
All I need now is a iPhone app emulator to run apps on my Mac.
Which I will check out the SDK, see if will work in reverse.
They are unemployed:
10.2% last unemployment stats.
6.8% that have given up looking for work and/or lost unemployment benefits.
8% never had a job to begin with and were living off the government.
25% - there you go...
But never bet against America, we are still a $14 trillion dollar economy, number 2 & 3 is, depending on what time of day it is, is sometimes China at only $4 Trillion and sometimes Japan at $4 trillion.
This is the best country in the world. After Thailand that is. (re. pretty girls, even the guys look like chicks! it's great!
So within two weeks "brand loyalty" fluctuates from 50 to 20? And the margin of error is 2%? Yeah... that's why I don't buy most statistics.
Don't neglect Morotola's "brand loyalty" remained relatively flat.
The "brand loyalty" interpretation of whatever statistics were actually gathered seems pretty bogus.
What about the other 25%... foreign trade?
Apple products appeal to the wealthy. The Droid is a "mannish" product, the type that needs discounts to appeal more to its demographic, whereas the iPhone is still hot, so price skimming will work for a while longer. Discounts devalue a brand long term though, not a good strategy. It may sell phones, but it doesn't command the company as much power in setting future prices... which means R&D would suffer as a result.
I'm not even close to "wealthy", but I was in Best Buy yesterday and I saw the Droid for the first time. It wasn't hooked up so I couldn't see what it could do, but I slid out the built in keyboard - DID NOT LIKE AT ALL, BUT WAS BETTER THAN THE PALM PRE AND I UTTERLY HATED THAT, and they also had an Apple iPhone 3GS and it was hooked up and you can see what it could do, typed on it's keyboard (again), went online, etc. Still not smartphone owner, though I'm mighty impressed still with the iPhone and if and when I get a app phone, it'd be iPhone 3GS or latest version hardware and phone OS.
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Video from a iPhone is garbage. My 5 year old $500 camera does better and it has 10x zoom and auto everything.
I wouldn't say 'garbage' but I use it more because I 'have it with me!' Where as a dedicated video camera stays at home most of the time.
I liken the 3Gs video as more of 'snap shot' camera as opposed to an SLR with interchangeable lens. The 'snap shot' camera gets used more.
...each pound of overweight costs us all $50 in health care costs!
The only thing I had was 7 years ago, a cable modem that looked like a 'beige' circulating fan! Ugh!
Motorola improved the cable modem to a sleek black vertical modem called the "Shark" and it's working great on my desktop as I type!
Also, didn't a part of Motorola, along with IBM and Apple, create chips for the Mac before the switch of the Mac to Intel?
Motorola, "motor" is definably more appealing to most men, not just the name either. The phones work and are reasonably priced, very attractive to those who earn their money and think along value and cost.
Apple on the other hand has always appealed to the more visual appealing types: women, children, gays and artist men like myself. Who on many times, rather pay a fortune to have the flashiest device and more likely to be caught by impulsive decisions.
I have an iPhone, and I don't fit your stereotype.
I avoided the iPhone completely, unlike the many iPods I've owned, there is no way I'm going to pay over $100 a month...
Mine costs $70 per month. (I don't text, and I use it more for data than voice calls. My rollover minutes are in the stratosphere now.
for a device that doesn't do much of anything very well that I can't do better with regular devices or my MacBook Pro.
You carry your MacBook Pro with you everywhere you go, and whip it out at a moments notice to look up some online info? You're pretty weird then.
I'm still waiting for a iPhone app emulator, it can't be THAT hard, the processor in the iPhone isn't very powerful that a dual core can't emulate it.
There IS an iPhone app emulator, which is provided by Apple, so no it isn't that hard. I just don't think you'll find one available in the wild... nor a method to move said apps over to the Mac (unless you jailbreak your iPhone and then move them over manually).
All in all, your post is entirely uninspiring. I hope this isn't representative of all of your input here.
Thompson
the increase in brand loyalty has gone up based on a product that's been out for a couple weeks?
What most of you seem to realize is that men in their 30s and 40s remember Motorola fondly. Many of us had Star Tacs and that was the most durable phone I've ever had. Plus everyone and their mother had a RAZR. So the Motorola brand is special to us.
I owned a StarTac and I almost bought a RAZR. The RAZR software was so gawd awful in its design and speed, though, I ultimately couldn't bring myself to buy. The RAZR was nothing but a glorified cell phone. History.
I'm not even close to "wealthy", but I was in Best Buy yesterday and I saw the Droid for the first time. It wasn't hooked up so I couldn't see what it could do, but I slid out the built in keyboard - DID NOT LIKE AT ALL, BUT WAS BETTER THAN THE PALM PRE AND I UTTERLY HATED THAT, and they also had an Apple iPhone 3GS and it was hooked up and you can see what it could do, typed on it's keyboard (again), went online, etc. Still not smartphone owner, though I'm mighty impressed still with the iPhone and if and when I get a app phone, it'd be iPhone 3GS or latest version hardware and phone OS.
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Nor am I, by any stretch of the imagination!
My first smartphone was an iPhone so it's going to be a hard sell to get me to change. I highly recommend the 3GS, I'm still rocking with the 3G. Since it went to Orange a few friends have made the purchase over and are enjoying it. Speaking of the Droid keyboard, Apple's "no moving parts" philosophy is a big draw as previous phones I had came complete with problematic "nubs" and joysticks.
Looking forward to next year's model though!
All in all, your [referring to MacTripper's] post is entirely uninspiring. I hope this isn't representative of all of your input here.
Thompson
It pretty much is.
i'm confused.
the increase in brand loyalty has gone up based on a product that's been out for a couple weeks?
I agree... I think they might be confusing "loyalty" with "interest". I can certainly understand how interest in a brand would peak if something new was released. But that doesn't translate into people actually changing brands. Especially since most people would not pay the early termination fee to make the switch to a different phone on a different network. Hell, Apple couldn't even get some people to pay $10 to upgrade to iPhone OS 3.0 on their iPod Touches.
I'm not surprised about Motorola, i remember i used to get down on those things ever since the ROKR days until i got my first ever Blackberry Curve.
Still i will never leave my Blackberry for...anything really, and im sure there are quite a few who feel the same way lol.
BTW, you mean Apple iPhone in the end, not iPod
And you mean "your first Blackberry Curve." "First ever" is redundant, and a bit retarded, which would explain why your post made no attempt to further conversation other than shout that you use Blackberry.
Is there a reason you use RIM instead of Apple or Motorola? What qualifies your brand loyalty to RIM?
Another thing to consider is the fact that Droid just came out. It hasn't even been on the market for a full month, I find it strange that anyone could provide a valid source of polling and statistics to say that a product this new could really hold any real measure of brand loyalty.
I guess we will see how things change in the following months.
Video from a iPhone is garbage. My 5 year old $500 camera does better and it has 10x zoom and auto everything. Plus I can add storage with more SD cards so I never run out on a trip with no signal or wifi to upload videos. SD slot is now standard on all new Mac's, but I use a USB converter.
I got a AT&T phone, only cost me voice as what I use. This last month I yacked a bit, it cost me $20. If I lose the phone overboard while fishing, it's only $20 for a new phone and minutes, compared to several hundred for a new iPhone.
I calculated the savings once and the iPhone and two year contract was equal to a new MacBook Pro every two years. I can get a iPhone no sweat, just don't see any value in getting one.
All I need now is a iPhone app emulator to run apps on my Mac.
Which I will check out the SDK, see if will work in reverse.
you can't compare video from the iphone or any smartphone to a dedicated videocamera. hey, guess what? my canon dslr smokes the iphone's still capture mode and my garmin gps beats googlemaps and the built in gps on iphone. you're missing two of the most important things about the iphone. it does all in one device aka smartphone and it does it portably. what/why/how would an iphone app emulator do anyone any good on a pc except for a developer?
your iphone/plan calculation is correct but you're missing one important item. for those two years you won't have use of a smartphone anywhere anytime because you'll be saving up for a macbook pro that you cannot use anywhere at anytime.
btw, once you lose a $20 cellphone, you're paying more than $20 for a hardware replacement. it's called a subsidy and any phone that doesn't cost at least $200 without subsidy is a piece of crap and cannot be considered a smartphone. it's not elitist, it's just current technology and basic economics.
...something to watch for when browsing on an iPhone and you go straight to the forums.
I hate to say that if you will change your loyalty based on a stupid commercial, it's pretty lame.
But hey, just like the crowds in Julius Caesar, whadda expect of the stupid?
Seriously, what does this Droid phone do that no other Android phone does? The new map GPS program? That's it?
It's got good hardware. I always preferred Android over the iPhone, but the G1 was lacking in power. This device has the power, the battery life to go along with the OS. But I need a GSM phone, so I'm still with the G1.
Video from a iPhone is garbage. My 5 year old $500 camera does better and it has 10x zoom and auto everything. Plus I can add storage with more SD cards so I never run out on a trip with no signal or wifi to upload videos. SD slot is now standard on all new Mac's, but I use a USB converter.
Take a physics class, tripper. Your video camera's lens has a focal length many times the thickness of an iPhone and an image sensor that's probably a few times larger as well. The iPhone can store hours of video on its internal memory -- no need for loose cards. Given its physical limitations, iPhone video is quite serviceable, particularly given that it's always available.
I got a AT&T phone, only cost me voice as what I use. This last month I yacked a bit, it cost me $20. If I lose the phone overboard while fishing, it's only $20 for a new phone and minutes, compared to several hundred for a new iPhone.
Good for you, but don't lose your $500 camera overboard while trying to net that big fish! What do you mean you left your camera at home?