Which is why I brought up the Milestone, the GSM counterpart. Though I also would like to know why it wasn't GSM/CMDA phone too...
That is something that rarely gets asked. If these hybrid chips are so great then why do vendors with the same device, usually only differing in their GSM or CDMA components, not using these Qualcomm chips?
They are talking about the Droid hardware not the Verizon or ATT network. Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users. Verizons network blows away ATT.
I care emensley, being able to colaborate by phone while looking up directions or remoting into a server is a feature I've used many times.
As for the article, what crappy review points, what a weak argument! New hardware is always going to boast greater speeds & is a worthless review point unless the phone was new but failed to have faster hardware than the competition.
Having personally had my hands on the droid I can't believe it's gotten all the hype it has. The responsiveness was crap. The one feature I've heard everyone talk about is google navigation, but it is also in development for the iPhone so big whoop.
The iPhone has reached its peak. There isn't anything major that can be added to the iPhone at this point. Sorry but there are no "game changers" as you like to put it.
I don't think you get it. They're talking about what's new and exciting in the world, that's the entire point of their "Top 10 of Everything" series. I've got the iPhone 3GS and I love it, but they're very much correct in that it's more or less the same thing we've used for years. There's a lot that's new and exciting about Droid, even if you seem to think it's terrible (which I certainly do not). It made #1 because it made waves in the market, not because it's the "best phone".
The iPhone 3GS is the iPhone 3G with under under the hood tweaks. The Droid is all-new. It should not surprise anyone that it tops the iPhone in a "top X of 2009" list. Books from 2007/2008 may still be great, but they don't make the top of the Top 10 Books of 2009 list when a new edition is released.
It made #1 because they marketed the crap out of it. iPhone nothing new?! How about being unparalleled as a touchscreen phone? How about being able to purchase apps & music right over my phone & have them sync back to my laptop? There are so many things abou the iPhone that are not like other phones & features that others still have not been able to compete with. Sorry, but the arguments are weak.
for the largest cell phone markets in the world...China and India? with a qwerty keyboard? honestly...BB only sells well because of the buy 1, get 1 free CDMA business model...
while the gimmick is good, but it wont sell in most non-english speaking countries with a UMTS cell network..
Oh, just to let you know. Those two countries you picked, ironically, are probably one of the best two examples of why you're wrong. Anyone who's taken World History, from junior high and above, know that India and China (specifically Hong Kong) have been influenced by the British Empire since at least the 16th century. There are probably as many, if not more, English speakers in those two countries than all of the US. The English alphabet is no new thing to them. It's even an official language in India. How do I know, you may ask? Easy. I was born in China and went through the early school system there. I started learning English at a very early age. Like I said, if you can afford to pay for a smartphone, QWERTY is no problem.
If you follow any of those links to carriers in India, you'll see that everything's in English and all the pictures of the BlackBerries have QWERTY keyboards.
As for your BOGO comment, that has absolutely no influence on whether the BlackBerry is CMDA or UMTS. It's an offer created by the carrier for the sole purpose of selling more subscriptions. Verizon does the BOGO and AT&T does a 50% deal, which is essentially the same thing. BlackBerries come in UMTS, CDMA and dual-radio models, so it doesn't matter what the native network of a country is based on. If China Mobile wanted to do a 50% off or BOGO offer, they absolutely can. If Aircel in India wanted to do a similar offer, there's nothing stopping them either. There goes your BOGO won't work on a UMTS network argument.
Yesterday I had to prove to my roommate on BB on the Tmobile network that you can not do simultaneous data and voice, he thought and swore he had before. But first I called him while he surfed and it went to straight to voicemail....then he called me and tried to surf and DENIED!....
I have no idea why the BB wouldn't do that. I can do it on the G1 on T-mobile. And the GSM version of the Droid would be able to do it as well. Having said that, I have never ever had to use this feature. It just takes too long to have to get on the net to get some info. About the only time that I have had to look up any info, it's been local (like contacts). There are far more useful features like background synching of calendar/contacts without having to pay $100 for mobile me.
I have no idea why the BB wouldn't do that. I can do it on the G1 on T-mobile. And the GSM version of the Droid would be able to do it as well. Having said that, I have never ever had to use this feature. It just takes too long to have to get on the net to get some info. About the only time that I have had to look up any info, it's been local (like contacts). There are far more useful features like background synching of calendar/contacts without having to pay $100 for mobile me.
If it?s on T-Mo EDGE then it would go to VM. Plus, I think the phone itself has to be able to support it, not just the network.
Probably because it would be too expensive, incompatible with the form factor, too power hungry, and/or Andruid isn't up to it yet.
I'm going to guess that it might have been the first reason, at least in the case of Motorola. I don't think they've ever built a dual-radio phone before.
It shouldn't be a power issue because my Storm has the same capacity battery as the Droid and it does just fine having dual radios in it. I took it throughout Greece, with two lay-overs, in London and it breezed through each day on a UMTS network with no difference in battery performance. The radio that's not being used is switched off.
Form factor shouldn't be an issue, since if all the components can find on my BlackBerry, it should have no issues fitting on the larger Droid board. Their just tiny chips.
We know Android is currently running on both CDMA- and UMTS-based networks, so the code knows how to handle both.
Apple makes it very easy, I'm afraid. Yes, they're just that good. And we revel in it. It's best to just join in the fun.
I thought the purpose was to speculate on rumours surrounding Apple, which I am interested in and why I started coming here - not to blindly hype every product. Silly me, must be that UK "real news" thing.
They are talking about the Droid hardware not the Verizon or ATT network. Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users. Verizons network blows away ATT.
Verizon's network may be considerably better for a small portion of people, but not the majority of AT&T users. Most would think VZ & AT&T are the same, or Verizon's is slightly better. If Verizon's network blows AT&T's away, then why does AT&T almost have the same number of customers? AT&T was larger than Verizon until this year, when VZ bought Alltel which had almost 15M subs. If Verizon were so much better, then people would be leaving AT&T and going to Verizon in droves. However, AT&T attracting more new customers than VZ. Granted, that's mostly due to the iPhone.
In some places, Verizon is much better, others AT&T is better. But for the near majority of places, both are about equal. In sum, Verizon has an edge since its rural coverage is more extensive and doesn't have a few isolated trouble spots AT&T has due to the iPhone.
For me, AT&T is much better than Verizon, because AT&T's 3G network is 3x faster, and where I live, it will be 6x faster by middle of next year (couple years Verizon will shoot past) Everywhere I travel to, my service on AT&T has been totally fine.
I agree that most users could care less about simultaneous Voice + Data, how many actually use both at same time? And of those people, how often do they access data when on a call? So, it really only appeals to a very small amount of people. But it is really nice to have. But, probably less than 20% of US population, does it matter that Verizon's 3G coverage is more ubiquitous.
It never ceases to amaze me how people in general can have reasonable intelligent arguments about technology, and then when politics comes up they start frothing at the mouth like moronic three year olds.
Unless you are Rush Limbaugh in real life, ... you have been brainwashed.
Read the facts and think for yourself, not just what MSNBC (or even Fox) tells you how to think.
And I didn't bring up the politics.
And I got a huge warning, the unemployment level is going to jump back up the first of the year.
Give yourself a cookie for figuring out why and welcome to my camp.
It is called the "Top Ten Gadgets of 2009", not 2007. If you look at the other stuff on the list, obviously they're looking for what is new and innovative -- not necessarily what is most popular and/or practical.
I think they spelled it out very clearly in the comments -- the 2009 iPhone 3GS is essentially the 2008 iPhone 3G plus speed and some other minor tweaks. In the world of gadgets where everything is constantly getting faster, for 2009 that is a major <<Yawn>>...
"Yeah, but my iPhone will..." That's great. Best UI, app store, iTunes, sexy design, whatever... those made it a great gadget in 2007 and 2008. What's new for 2009? The automobile and DVD player are great gadgets, but who cares about seeing them on a 2009 top gadget list?
Everyone seemed to miss the Time "Best Travel Gadgets of 2009" which listed the Droid as 13, iPod Touch as 16, and snubbed the iPhone completely from the list. Cue the AI article full of outrage...
In the end, it's a subjective list of gadgets in a dying magazine. I could care less about a bladeless fan that sells for $300, a 3D camera, or a THX-certified TV. Aside from the Droid and iPhone, I wouldn't buy any of the junk on that list.
I've never looked at a gadget list and gone out and bought something just because I saw it on that list. Most people glance over it, think "hmmm, that's interesting", and move on.
"The Economist has a subscriber-only article that states 34% of Americans over the age of 18 own passports, but cites no source for this"
and this:
"... Assuming that everyone who?s been issued a passport over the last ten years still has it, that?s 60,884,784 people with US passports. Given the US population is around 280 million, that gives us 21.7 per cent owning passports. Taking into account some of these will be five year passports, we have a figure that?s probably a little under 20 per cent..."
and this, from a 2005 Canada Tourism Commission research report ?The Potential Impact of a Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative Passport Requirement on Canada?s Tourism Industry? based on ?household surveys? in Canada and the US:
Survey Results, general population (18 years and over), United States 34%, Canada 41%
with your facts and research.. iFail is the appropriate name for someone who just spits outs rhetoric to prove their misinformed point of view, which is not based in reality
with your facts and research.. iFail is the appropriate name for someone who just spits outs rhetoric to prove their misinformed point of view, which is not based in reality
Umm... Read my last two posts on your comments about RIM and China and India and the QWERTY keyboard. You're not completely innocent of what you say above yourself.
Glad to see some reasoned thought on the whole debate.
A couple of additions:
-it wasn't the CRA per se that lead to the crisis. It was the free reign and expansion of 'coverage' that was granted to FM in the late 90's by Clinton that created the incentive to invest in the subprime market. Subprime lending dates back to the 70's, with the advent (political) of 'red-lining'- this was and is the big housing entitlement push by the dems. Interestingly enough, it was Bush who read the writing on the wall as early as 2001, and had been trying to reign in FM/FM since then- 17 times alone in 2007. But of course the Dems in congress stone-walled him each time.
-as you've alluded to, the majority of the banking/investing companies had enough smarts to not invest in subprime lending/loans. Of those that did, the shadow banks (eg Lehman) carried most of the risk, but were also the most under-regulated or non-regulated (where was the SEC?). This is where the majority of the strife that hit Wall Street came from, and frankly, I'm glad that Lehman was let go. This is also why most investment firms continue to do well (read: Goldman).
The Obama lemmings will continue to blindly follow his pied-piperness, but I give him a lot of credit for continuing to blame the Bush admin for the state of the economy today- takes guts, but it's sad that he won't step up to the plate and admit his mistakes. He needs to stop the blame and do his job.
Interestingly enough, around October 2008, Time published an article listing those responsible for this economic mess. Bush was listed, but the reason was basically that he was there. No other reasons- this is especially telling since Time clearly leans left, and would be happy to find any reason at all to put Bush in the sewer.
Bottom line: everyone can't always get what they want, not now and not in the foreseeable future; and if people don't pay for something, they will abuse it. Until we start realizing these basic principles, we'll continue to provide handouts at the expense of those who work hard for what they have.
I hear you there! Welcome to the boards by the way.
The original intentions of the CRA written before Bill Clinton were honest in my opinion if it was intended to right a wrong and only a few banks existed and could cherry pick their customers. But today banks and lending institutions are plentiful, so the law is really not needed now, but then it was used as a leverage to force banks into irresponsible lending practices with the government taking the risk. Socialism.
Now they want to take over health care with a estimated 20% payroll tax (it's really open ended) after they screwed up sub-prime and ripped off millions of the poor of their hard earned down payments, improvements etc. Not only that, all of us have to pay for the declining value of the dollar in the world, meaning inflation will hit hard this year and perhaps not be as easily controlled as it was earlier as the rest of the world is going to influence not just the Fed lending rate.
Prices and unemployment will rise early next year, it's clear as day.
And Bush deserved it, don't lump him with the other criminals.
Bush and the Treasury created a wonderful real estate bubble that put a lot of people to work. Only fools didn't know what it was.
It was the Congress that changed hands under Bush and California (yea that bankrupt I.O.U giving California) liberal socialist ideals that got some banks AND the government controlled Freddie and Fannie into the failure of the sub-prime market in 2005. Their failure to adhere to the tried and true three rules of lending: Credit, Collateral and Character; is the primary reason our economy is in the mess that's it's in.
ummmm....wrong forum???
Tell that to the original poster I was responding too.
Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. George W. Bush was also picked twice, 2000 & 2004.
That doesn't mean they liked these guys - it means they were the people who had the most impact. And that was certainly accurate.
why didn't you research the phone more before you bought it? or like, use a display phone.
also if it helps, there's a new button on the home screen that lets you take moving pictures.
I had an iPhone from launch to until I bought the 3GS. I know what I was buying, and all it was was hype. The previous two phones were excellent, and the 3GS is a good phone, but not a step forward.
My God! moving pictures, like you mean video? That just proves my earlier post, it was being done years before, yet you all soak it up like it's a revolution.
I see a lot of people here dismissing the multi-tasking argument. It is a step forward, and no, the iphone does NOT multi task. I don't mean having 15 different applications open, if you need that go home and turn on your computer. Here is an example - I was browsing eBay on my Palm Pre, and I saw a listing that I wanted to set an alarm for so I would remember to dive in for a bid at the death. I checked the time on the screen and went out and set the alarm. I then flicked back and continued reading the listing, making sure it was worth a bid. Simple, and far more useful than what its given credit for. Can the 3rd gen iPhone do that simple task? No, it cant. If I come out i"m back at my bookmarks and starting the whole browsing process back over again. Little things, but on here you are all so bloody blind you will never admit it. "I can listen to music while I browse the web". Can you reply to a mail while you watch a film? Or even a text?
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Which is why I brought up the Milestone, the GSM counterpart. Though I also would like to know why it wasn't GSM/CMDA phone too...
That is something that rarely gets asked. If these hybrid chips are so great then why do vendors with the same device, usually only differing in their GSM or CDMA components, not using these Qualcomm chips?
They are talking about the Droid hardware not the Verizon or ATT network. Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users. Verizons network blows away ATT.
I care emensley, being able to colaborate by phone while looking up directions or remoting into a server is a feature I've used many times.
As for the article, what crappy review points, what a weak argument! New hardware is always going to boast greater speeds & is a worthless review point unless the phone was new but failed to have faster hardware than the competition.
Having personally had my hands on the droid I can't believe it's gotten all the hype it has. The responsiveness was crap. The one feature I've heard everyone talk about is google navigation, but it is also in development for the iPhone so big whoop.
The iPhone has reached its peak. There isn't anything major that can be added to the iPhone at this point. Sorry but there are no "game changers" as you like to put it.
Wow, your not friends with Ballmer are you?
I don't think you get it. They're talking about what's new and exciting in the world, that's the entire point of their "Top 10 of Everything" series. I've got the iPhone 3GS and I love it, but they're very much correct in that it's more or less the same thing we've used for years. There's a lot that's new and exciting about Droid, even if you seem to think it's terrible (which I certainly do not). It made #1 because it made waves in the market, not because it's the "best phone".
The iPhone 3GS is the iPhone 3G with under under the hood tweaks. The Droid is all-new. It should not surprise anyone that it tops the iPhone in a "top X of 2009" list. Books from 2007/2008 may still be great, but they don't make the top of the Top 10 Books of 2009 list when a new edition is released.
It made #1 because they marketed the crap out of it. iPhone nothing new?! How about being unparalleled as a touchscreen phone? How about being able to purchase apps & music right over my phone & have them sync back to my laptop? There are so many things abou the iPhone that are not like other phones & features that others still have not been able to compete with. Sorry, but the arguments are weak.
for the largest cell phone markets in the world...China and India? with a qwerty keyboard? honestly...BB only sells well because of the buy 1, get 1 free CDMA business model...
while the gimmick is good, but it wont sell in most non-english speaking countries with a UMTS cell network..
Oh, just to let you know. Those two countries you picked, ironically, are probably one of the best two examples of why you're wrong. Anyone who's taken World History, from junior high and above, know that India and China (specifically Hong Kong) have been influenced by the British Empire since at least the 16th century. There are probably as many, if not more, English speakers in those two countries than all of the US. The English alphabet is no new thing to them. It's even an official language in India. How do I know, you may ask? Easy. I was born in China and went through the early school system there. I started learning English at a very early age. Like I said, if you can afford to pay for a smartphone, QWERTY is no problem.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B83XH20091209
http://in.blackberry.com/devices/bla...wheretobuy.jsp
If you follow any of those links to carriers in India, you'll see that everything's in English and all the pictures of the BlackBerries have QWERTY keyboards.
As for your BOGO comment, that has absolutely no influence on whether the BlackBerry is CMDA or UMTS. It's an offer created by the carrier for the sole purpose of selling more subscriptions. Verizon does the BOGO and AT&T does a 50% deal, which is essentially the same thing. BlackBerries come in UMTS, CDMA and dual-radio models, so it doesn't matter what the native network of a country is based on. If China Mobile wanted to do a 50% off or BOGO offer, they absolutely can. If Aircel in India wanted to do a similar offer, there's nothing stopping them either. There goes your BOGO won't work on a UMTS network argument.
Game. Set. Match? I do believe so.
Yesterday I had to prove to my roommate on BB on the Tmobile network that you can not do simultaneous data and voice, he thought and swore he had before. But first I called him while he surfed and it went to straight to voicemail....then he called me and tried to surf and DENIED!....
I have no idea why the BB wouldn't do that. I can do it on the G1 on T-mobile. And the GSM version of the Droid would be able to do it as well. Having said that, I have never ever had to use this feature. It just takes too long to have to get on the net to get some info. About the only time that I have had to look up any info, it's been local (like contacts). There are far more useful features like background synching of calendar/contacts without having to pay $100 for mobile me.
I have no idea why the BB wouldn't do that. I can do it on the G1 on T-mobile. And the GSM version of the Droid would be able to do it as well. Having said that, I have never ever had to use this feature. It just takes too long to have to get on the net to get some info. About the only time that I have had to look up any info, it's been local (like contacts). There are far more useful features like background synching of calendar/contacts without having to pay $100 for mobile me.
If it?s on T-Mo EDGE then it would go to VM. Plus, I think the phone itself has to be able to support it, not just the network.
Probably because it would be too expensive, incompatible with the form factor, too power hungry, and/or Andruid isn't up to it yet.
I'm going to guess that it might have been the first reason, at least in the case of Motorola. I don't think they've ever built a dual-radio phone before.
It shouldn't be a power issue because my Storm has the same capacity battery as the Droid and it does just fine having dual radios in it. I took it throughout Greece, with two lay-overs, in London and it breezed through each day on a UMTS network with no difference in battery performance. The radio that's not being used is switched off.
Form factor shouldn't be an issue, since if all the components can find on my BlackBerry, it should have no issues fitting on the larger Droid board. Their just tiny chips.
We know Android is currently running on both CDMA- and UMTS-based networks, so the code knows how to handle both.
Apple makes it very easy, I'm afraid. Yes, they're just that good. And we revel in it. It's best to just join in the fun.
I thought the purpose was to speculate on rumours surrounding Apple, which I am interested in and why I started coming here - not to blindly hype every product. Silly me, must be that UK "real news" thing.
Same magazine who sat around while Bush fooled his own country.
You said it, bro'!
They are talking about the Droid hardware not the Verizon or ATT network. Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users. Verizons network blows away ATT.
Verizon's network may be considerably better for a small portion of people, but not the majority of AT&T users. Most would think VZ & AT&T are the same, or Verizon's is slightly better. If Verizon's network blows AT&T's away, then why does AT&T almost have the same number of customers? AT&T was larger than Verizon until this year, when VZ bought Alltel which had almost 15M subs. If Verizon were so much better, then people would be leaving AT&T and going to Verizon in droves. However, AT&T attracting more new customers than VZ. Granted, that's mostly due to the iPhone.
In some places, Verizon is much better, others AT&T is better. But for the near majority of places, both are about equal. In sum, Verizon has an edge since its rural coverage is more extensive and doesn't have a few isolated trouble spots AT&T has due to the iPhone.
For me, AT&T is much better than Verizon, because AT&T's 3G network is 3x faster, and where I live, it will be 6x faster by middle of next year (couple years Verizon will shoot past) Everywhere I travel to, my service on AT&T has been totally fine.
I agree that most users could care less about simultaneous Voice + Data, how many actually use both at same time? And of those people, how often do they access data when on a call? So, it really only appeals to a very small amount of people. But it is really nice to have. But, probably less than 20% of US population, does it matter that Verizon's 3G coverage is more ubiquitous.
This is just utter, raving, lunatic nonsense.
It never ceases to amaze me how people in general can have reasonable intelligent arguments about technology, and then when politics comes up they start frothing at the mouth like moronic three year olds.
Unless you are Rush Limbaugh in real life, ... you have been brainwashed.
Read the facts and think for yourself, not just what MSNBC (or even Fox) tells you how to think.
And I didn't bring up the politics.
And I got a huge warning, the unemployment level is going to jump back up the first of the year.
Give yourself a cookie for figuring out why and welcome to my camp.
I think they spelled it out very clearly in the comments -- the 2009 iPhone 3GS is essentially the 2008 iPhone 3G plus speed and some other minor tweaks. In the world of gadgets where everything is constantly getting faster, for 2009 that is a major <<Yawn>>...
"Yeah, but my iPhone will..." That's great. Best UI, app store, iTunes, sexy design, whatever... those made it a great gadget in 2007 and 2008. What's new for 2009? The automobile and DVD player are great gadgets, but who cares about seeing them on a 2009 top gadget list?
Everyone seemed to miss the Time "Best Travel Gadgets of 2009" which listed the Droid as 13, iPod Touch as 16, and snubbed the iPhone completely from the list. Cue the AI article full of outrage...
In the end, it's a subjective list of gadgets in a dying magazine. I could care less about a bladeless fan that sells for $300, a 3D camera, or a THX-certified TV. Aside from the Droid and iPhone, I wouldn't buy any of the junk on that list.
I've never looked at a gadget list and gone out and bought something just because I saw it on that list. Most people glance over it, think "hmmm, that's interesting", and move on.
i wondered, so googled a little. I found this:
"The Economist has a subscriber-only article that states 34% of Americans over the age of 18 own passports, but cites no source for this"
and this:
"... Assuming that everyone who?s been issued a passport over the last ten years still has it, that?s 60,884,784 people with US passports. Given the US population is around 280 million, that gives us 21.7 per cent owning passports. Taking into account some of these will be five year passports, we have a figure that?s probably a little under 20 per cent..."
and this, from a 2005 Canada Tourism Commission research report ?The Potential Impact of a Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative Passport Requirement on Canada?s Tourism Industry? based on ?household surveys? in Canada and the US:
Survey Results, general population (18 years and over), United States 34%, Canada 41%
with your facts and research.. iFail is the appropriate name for someone who just spits outs rhetoric to prove their misinformed point of view, which is not based in reality
with your facts and research.. iFail is the appropriate name for someone who just spits outs rhetoric to prove their misinformed point of view, which is not based in reality
Umm... Read my last two posts on your comments about RIM and China and India and the QWERTY keyboard. You're not completely innocent of what you say above yourself.
Glad to see some reasoned thought on the whole debate.
A couple of additions:
-it wasn't the CRA per se that lead to the crisis. It was the free reign and expansion of 'coverage' that was granted to FM in the late 90's by Clinton that created the incentive to invest in the subprime market. Subprime lending dates back to the 70's, with the advent (political) of 'red-lining'- this was and is the big housing entitlement push by the dems. Interestingly enough, it was Bush who read the writing on the wall as early as 2001, and had been trying to reign in FM/FM since then- 17 times alone in 2007. But of course the Dems in congress stone-walled him each time.
-as you've alluded to, the majority of the banking/investing companies had enough smarts to not invest in subprime lending/loans. Of those that did, the shadow banks (eg Lehman) carried most of the risk, but were also the most under-regulated or non-regulated (where was the SEC?). This is where the majority of the strife that hit Wall Street came from, and frankly, I'm glad that Lehman was let go. This is also why most investment firms continue to do well (read: Goldman).
The Obama lemmings will continue to blindly follow his pied-piperness, but I give him a lot of credit for continuing to blame the Bush admin for the state of the economy today- takes guts, but it's sad that he won't step up to the plate and admit his mistakes. He needs to stop the blame and do his job.
Interestingly enough, around October 2008, Time published an article listing those responsible for this economic mess. Bush was listed, but the reason was basically that he was there. No other reasons- this is especially telling since Time clearly leans left, and would be happy to find any reason at all to put Bush in the sewer.
Bottom line: everyone can't always get what they want, not now and not in the foreseeable future; and if people don't pay for something, they will abuse it. Until we start realizing these basic principles, we'll continue to provide handouts at the expense of those who work hard for what they have.
I hear you there! Welcome to the boards by the way.
The original intentions of the CRA written before Bill Clinton were honest in my opinion if it was intended to right a wrong and only a few banks existed and could cherry pick their customers. But today banks and lending institutions are plentiful, so the law is really not needed now, but then it was used as a leverage to force banks into irresponsible lending practices with the government taking the risk. Socialism.
Now they want to take over health care with a estimated 20% payroll tax (it's really open ended) after they screwed up sub-prime and ripped off millions of the poor of their hard earned down payments, improvements etc. Not only that, all of us have to pay for the declining value of the dollar in the world, meaning inflation will hit hard this year and perhaps not be as easily controlled as it was earlier as the rest of the world is going to influence not just the Fed lending rate.
Prices and unemployment will rise early next year, it's clear as day.
Hey now! Don't be dissing my white iPhone!
White! Yikes!
"Fling it sister!"
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And Bush deserved it, don't lump him with the other criminals.
Bush and the Treasury created a wonderful real estate bubble that put a lot of people to work. Only fools didn't know what it was.
It was the Congress that changed hands under Bush and California (yea that bankrupt I.O.U giving California) liberal socialist ideals that got some banks AND the government controlled Freddie and Fannie into the failure of the sub-prime market in 2005. Their failure to adhere to the tried and true three rules of lending: Credit, Collateral and Character; is the primary reason our economy is in the mess that's it's in.
ummmm....wrong forum???
Tell that to the original poster I was responding too.
Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. George W. Bush was also picked twice, 2000 & 2004.
That doesn't mean they liked these guys - it means they were the people who had the most impact. And that was certainly accurate.
why didn't you research the phone more before you bought it? or like, use a display phone.
also if it helps, there's a new button on the home screen that lets you take moving pictures.
I had an iPhone from launch to until I bought the 3GS. I know what I was buying, and all it was was hype. The previous two phones were excellent, and the 3GS is a good phone, but not a step forward.
My God! moving pictures, like you mean video? That just proves my earlier post, it was being done years before, yet you all soak it up like it's a revolution.
I see a lot of people here dismissing the multi-tasking argument. It is a step forward, and no, the iphone does NOT multi task. I don't mean having 15 different applications open, if you need that go home and turn on your computer. Here is an example - I was browsing eBay on my Palm Pre, and I saw a listing that I wanted to set an alarm for so I would remember to dive in for a bid at the death. I checked the time on the screen and went out and set the alarm. I then flicked back and continued reading the listing, making sure it was worth a bid. Simple, and far more useful than what its given credit for. Can the 3rd gen iPhone do that simple task? No, it cant. If I come out i"m back at my bookmarks and starting the whole browsing process back over again. Little things, but on here you are all so bloody blind you will never admit it. "I can listen to music while I browse the web". Can you reply to a mail while you watch a film? Or even a text?