Why are you afraid of CHOICE? YOU may NOT like the Android tablet, but guess what - we share the planet with ~7billion others. Nobody's forcing you to buy the tablet. Some people like their tablets to have a USB port and a camera. And - they would like to surf the web with their tablet - something that is not possible with the iPad. Like it or not, Flash is on 90% of websites these days. And I don't want to have to go to a special version of each website I visit. That's ridiculous!
I foresee a settlement coming out of all of this and then it'll be business as usual.
Exactly. Everybody will posture, pontificate, bloviate, spin, point fingers, play the victim...and then sign cross licensing agreements to make it all go away. Everybody has patents that the other guy is probably violating. I would be surprised to see anyone (in this entire dog and pony show (Apple, HTC, Nokia, Nintendo, Google, Microsoft, et al)) win any advantage in court.
"As the innovator of the original Windows Mobile PocketPC Phone Edition in 2002 and the first Android smartphone in 2008, HTC believes the industry should be driven by healthy competition and innovation that offer consumers the best, most accessible mobile experiences possible,"
I had no idea HTC wrote that piece of garbage WinMo Phone Edition. Android of 2008 isn't much better. What made Android competitive was its use, starting in December 2009, of multitouch on a capacitive display--an Apple patented invention that Apple filed for in May 2004.
IANAL, but there's no legal requirement to sue immediately.
HTC had to expect some sort of involvement in a lawsuit after the multitouch upgrade was released in December. Perhaps they thought Google would be the direct target. Perhaps Google will be yet.
Multitouch is a patent? Puuuuuuuhlese. While multitouch was patented for some reason, God knows why, that means that Palm could go after Apple for half of their products. I love the fact that the iPhone keyboard is a patent - the fact that the letters enlarge when you press each one. Apple should go ahead and patent the right for a touchscreen cell phone of any kind. Even better, they should patent the internet...they would if they could.
These are all ridiculous lawsuits. No one is making an exact copy of anyone elses phone, and all the cross-competition just makes all phones better. All these lawsuits do is divert money from R&D into legal and potential jack up prices for consumer and slow down new features from getting into phone. All those those patent troll companies in East Texas are bad enough but Apple, Microsoft, Nokia and HTC need to leave eachother alone and just focus on outdoing eachother with better features and better designs.
who will win these lawsuits is moot. what is not questionable is that the taiwanese will get a lesson in juris prudence when they get into the usa court system, and that goes for the rest of the litigators.
apple has the best defense , by far. $40 billion in the bank!!
umm... it has nothing to do with the number of patents and everything to do with how important the patents are and how strong a case the plaintiff has. we don't know the answer yet on either count.
HTC? Innovation?
Oh, wait. They were serious?
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Originally Posted by jeffreytgilbert
Flash on mobile devices beats any HTML5 crud you'll have to wait for 5 years to even see
As it is, there is not currently ANY mobile device that run a full version of Flash. None.
As for html, people have been using html on mobile devices since the beginning. html 5 simply adds a few more commands.
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Originally Posted by mudpud
Multitouch is a patent? Puuuuuuuhlese. While multitouch was patented for some reason, God knows why, that means that Palm could go after Apple for half of their products. I love the fact that the iPhone keyboard is a patent - the fact that the letters enlarge when you press each one. Apple should go ahead and patent the right for a touchscreen cell phone of any kind. Even better, they should patent the internet...they would if they could.
I really wish people would make at least a modest effort to become educated on a subject before subjecting the world to their ignorance.
Apple didn't patent multitouch. Rather, the patents referred to as 'multitouch patents' cover very specific implementations - which is a legitimate use of the patent system.
Currently? No. In a month? Completely different story.
Damn, you beat me to it!
I would argue that the Nexus One does qualify as a mobile device that runs Flash 10.1. Froyo isn't released to the public yet, but the videos do show Flash running (as far as I can tell) perfectly fine. Games and videos.
jragosta, just give it up already.
Flash is coming to Android. It works. We'll be able to experience the good and the bad of Flash on the internet, but at least we have the choice. I'm sure there's going to be an option in the browser that allows us to disable loading of Flash objects.
Currently? No. In a month? Completely different story.
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Originally Posted by AsianBob
Damn, you beat me to it!
I would argue that the Nexus One does qualify as a mobile device that runs Flash 10.1. Froyo isn't released to the public yet, but the videos do show Flash running (as far as I can tell) perfectly fine. Games and videos.
jragosta, just give it up already.
Flash is coming to Android. It works. We'll be able to experience the good and the bad of Flash on the internet, but at least we have the choice. I'm sure there's going to be an option in the browser that allows us to disable loading of Flash objects.
So we have TWO people who don't know the difference between a beta and a released product? I'm not surprised - as I said before - you Adobe shills are even worse than the Microsoft shills.
Even if Adobe does release 10.1 sometime this year, something like 1% of smart phones will have enough CPU power to handle it. I'm having a hard time understanding how that equates to 'Adobe was right and Flash is available for all mobile users" which is the BS that you shills have been spewing.
Why are you afraid of CHOICE? YOU may NOT like the Android tablet, but guess what - we share the planet with ~7billion others. Nobody's forcing you to buy the tablet. Some people like their tablets to have a USB port and a camera. And - they would like to surf the web with their tablet - something that is not possible with the iPad. Like it or not, Flash is on 90% of websites these days. And I don't want to have to go to a special version of each website I visit. That's ridiculous!
hmm, no
i'm not afraid of choice
but don't you agree that it would be more interesting if all competing tablets were different instead of the ipad against the ipad wannabees?
So we have TWO people who don't know the difference between a beta and a released product? I'm not surprised - as I said before - you Adobe shills are even worse than the Microsoft shills.
These two are also Android shills if you haven't noticed.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y7XJI4NN7k
competition and innovation?
more like...apple's ideas that we're trying to catch up with
cannot wait to see the android tablet
Don't forget the WebOS tablet by HP
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yai2u3nVIN4
cannot wait to see the android tablet
Why are you afraid of CHOICE? YOU may NOT like the Android tablet, but guess what - we share the planet with ~7billion others. Nobody's forcing you to buy the tablet. Some people like their tablets to have a USB port and a camera. And - they would like to surf the web with their tablet - something that is not possible with the iPad. Like it or not, Flash is on 90% of websites these days. And I don't want to have to go to a special version of each website I visit. That's ridiculous!
And now the whole system is tied up...
I foresee a settlement coming out of all of this and then it'll be business as usual.
Exactly. Everybody will posture, pontificate, bloviate, spin, point fingers, play the victim...and then sign cross licensing agreements to make it all go away. Everybody has patents that the other guy is probably violating. I would be surprised to see anyone (in this entire dog and pony show (Apple, HTC, Nokia, Nintendo, Google, Microsoft, et al)) win any advantage in court.
"As the innovator of the original Windows Mobile PocketPC Phone Edition in 2002 and the first Android smartphone in 2008, HTC believes the industry should be driven by healthy competition and innovation that offer consumers the best, most accessible mobile experiences possible,"
I had no idea HTC wrote that piece of garbage WinMo Phone Edition. Android of 2008 isn't much better. What made Android competitive was its use, starting in December 2009, of multitouch on a capacitive display--an Apple patented invention that Apple filed for in May 2004.
IANAL, but there's no legal requirement to sue immediately.
HTC had to expect some sort of involvement in a lawsuit after the multitouch upgrade was released in December. Perhaps they thought Google would be the direct target. Perhaps Google will be yet.
Multitouch is a patent? Puuuuuuuhlese. While multitouch was patented for some reason, God knows why, that means that Palm could go after Apple for half of their products. I love the fact that the iPhone keyboard is a patent - the fact that the letters enlarge when you press each one. Apple should go ahead and patent the right for a touchscreen cell phone of any kind. Even better, they should patent the internet...they would if they could.
DROID INCREDIBLE
http://gizmodo.com/5537353/the-paten...ing-apple-over
Absolutely ridiculous! HTC patented a flow-chart? I wonder who has the patent for flick switch -> light goes off . . . flick switch -> light goes on
apple has the best defense , by far. $40 billion in the bank!!
Taiwanese smartphone company HTC has responded to Apple's patent suit with a lawsuit of its own, accusing the iPhone maker of violating five patents.
What goes around comes around.
umm... it has nothing to do with the number of patents and everything to do with how important the patents are and how strong a case the plaintiff has. we don't know the answer yet on either count.
HTC? Innovation?
Oh, wait. They were serious?
Flash on mobile devices beats any HTML5 crud you'll have to wait for 5 years to even see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y7XJI4NN7k
Is it Backwards Day already?
As it is, there is not currently ANY mobile device that run a full version of Flash. None.
As for html, people have been using html on mobile devices since the beginning. html 5 simply adds a few more commands.
Multitouch is a patent? Puuuuuuuhlese. While multitouch was patented for some reason, God knows why, that means that Palm could go after Apple for half of their products. I love the fact that the iPhone keyboard is a patent - the fact that the letters enlarge when you press each one. Apple should go ahead and patent the right for a touchscreen cell phone of any kind. Even better, they should patent the internet...they would if they could.
I really wish people would make at least a modest effort to become educated on a subject before subjecting the world to their ignorance.
Apple didn't patent multitouch. Rather, the patents referred to as 'multitouch patents' cover very specific implementations - which is a legitimate use of the patent system.
As it is, there is not currently ANY mobile device that run a full version of Flash. None.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/a...nexus-one-vide
Android 2.2 in a week. And Flash 10.1 in June.
Currently? No. In a month? Completely different story.
Absolutely ridiculous! HTC patented a flow-chart? I wonder who has the patent for flick switch -> light goes off . . . flick switch -> light goes on
I hope you're being funny.
If not, you do realize that the flow chart just describes a process. And Apple does use flow charts to describe processes in their own patents.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/a...nexus-one-vide
Android 2.2 in a week. And Flash 10.1 in June.
Currently? No. In a month? Completely different story.
Damn, you beat me to it!
I would argue that the Nexus One does qualify as a mobile device that runs Flash 10.1. Froyo isn't released to the public yet, but the videos do show Flash running (as far as I can tell) perfectly fine. Games and videos.
jragosta, just give it up already.
Flash is coming to Android. It works. We'll be able to experience the good and the bad of Flash on the internet, but at least we have the choice. I'm sure there's going to be an option in the browser that allows us to disable loading of Flash objects.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/12/h...pple-examined/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/a...nexus-one-vide
Android 2.2 in a week. And Flash 10.1 in June.
Currently? No. In a month? Completely different story.
Damn, you beat me to it!
I would argue that the Nexus One does qualify as a mobile device that runs Flash 10.1. Froyo isn't released to the public yet, but the videos do show Flash running (as far as I can tell) perfectly fine. Games and videos.
jragosta, just give it up already.
Flash is coming to Android. It works. We'll be able to experience the good and the bad of Flash on the internet, but at least we have the choice. I'm sure there's going to be an option in the browser that allows us to disable loading of Flash objects.
So we have TWO people who don't know the difference between a beta and a released product? I'm not surprised - as I said before - you Adobe shills are even worse than the Microsoft shills.
Even if Adobe does release 10.1 sometime this year, something like 1% of smart phones will have enough CPU power to handle it. I'm having a hard time understanding how that equates to 'Adobe was right and Flash is available for all mobile users" which is the BS that you shills have been spewing.
Why are you afraid of CHOICE? YOU may NOT like the Android tablet, but guess what - we share the planet with ~7billion others. Nobody's forcing you to buy the tablet. Some people like their tablets to have a USB port and a camera. And - they would like to surf the web with their tablet - something that is not possible with the iPad. Like it or not, Flash is on 90% of websites these days. And I don't want to have to go to a special version of each website I visit. That's ridiculous!
hmm, no
i'm not afraid of choice
but don't you agree that it would be more interesting if all competing tablets were different instead of the ipad against the ipad wannabees?
So we have TWO people who don't know the difference between a beta and a released product? I'm not surprised - as I said before - you Adobe shills are even worse than the Microsoft shills.
These two are also Android shills if you haven't noticed.