I'm surprised their (Apple's and At&t's) servers couldn't handle the traffic. One of the largest tech companies and one of the oldest and largest telecom companies, in the World, could handle it. That surprises me. Sorry if that upsets/offends you.
You're surprised, that's fine, but your reasoning is flawed. Your argument that they should be able to handle any surge simply because they are big and old is erroneous. That has no barring on reality because there is a still a finite number of transactions they can do at any one time. You have no stated or broken down why you think the order load was well within reason for their server setup. You can't because there are too many factors to consider and too much info that we just can't get ahold of, but that is the crux of the issue with stating that they should have because of the criteria you stated.
What I didn't see coming was the same prices for the new phone as the one I just bought. I assumed (incorrectly, obviously) that they would be out of my price-range. When I saw they weren't and then saw the release date fell within my exchange/return window I figured I had nothing to lose.
Considering that is Apples standard practice across virtually all of their product lines, that shouldn't have surprised you.
It's all about trust. Apple has never let me down. Ever.
Blind faith is one of the most exploitable features corporations and governments see in the human race. Use your brains and never trust anything - not your priest, not your president and certainly not a profit driven corporation that enslaves its workforce worldwide.
Is anyone surprised by this announcement? I wonder how high the number would have been without system malfunctions? I think it's been said before... Apple is doomed.
Was able to pre-order two... I'll be waiting for FedEx on the 24th. Not surprisingly, I had success with one order while the West coast was at lunch, and pushed the other through while they were in traffic on the way home.
LOL I think um no matter if the system fail or not, they only had 600,000 to sell
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
Yeah, because we all know that once you take it out of the box and try it out, you're stuck with it forever. And you can't cancel the AT&T service - no matter what. That 2 week return policy and 30 day cancellation policy doesn't apply when you purchase an iPhone.
600K orders is a small fraction of the total that "could be" if people could actually order. It took me 16 hours of trying (off and on all day) to successfully buy two phones, a bumper and a dock. Imagine the actual sales numbers if people could get in and actually buy things.
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
have you ever lived in a house before you bought it?
those usually cost a lot more. and the realtor showing is only the equivalent to the apple announcement, except that apple has a past history, while most home builders are unknown to the buyer especially if it is the second, thrid, etc sale of the house.
ever applied for a job after working for the company?
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
Then don't buy one without touching it. Go to the Apple store or your carrier and play with one before ordering. You will have to wait a few weeks, but that's unlikely to be fatal.
OTOH, millions of people ordered them without touching them based on their experience with Apple products, reviews, and so on. Yet the iPhone has the highest customer satisfaction rate of all phones - three years in a row.
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
You're the one being irrational and like all irrational posters do you become hypocritical in short order (see next post).
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Have you had AT&T service? It is not as reliable as Verizon or even T-Mobile in my area (NYC). I've had AT&T for 4 years and I have come to expect drop calls...
So you admit that you can have expectations based on past experiences? Note that expectations don't just work for negative and positive experiences.
BTW, You don't pay $2,200, you pay $199 to $299 + $18 + tax. On top of that, you have a full 30 days to try out the device and return it for a refund and cancelation of your contract. So where is this massive risk and excessive costs coming from?
My order waived the upgrade fee even though I am not at two years until Nov 2010. Not sure why they waived it but I'll take it.
Yeah, from what I saw if you ordered through Apple's site the $18 upgrade fee was waived. But it seems that if you ordered through AT&T you were charged the $18 upgrade fee.
Blind faith is one of the most exploitable features corporations and governments see in the human race. Use your brains and never trust anything - not your priest, not your president and certainly not a profit driven corporation that enslaves its workforce worldwide.
As a stock holder I think I can afford the $2200. Gotta love AAPL
have you ever lived in a house before you bought it?
those usually cost a lot more. and the realtor showing is only the equivalent to the apple announcement, except that apple has a past history, while most home builders are unknown to the buyer especially if it is the second, thrid, etc sale of the house.
ever applied for a job after working for the company?
horrible argument. you can go many times into a house you are keen on buying and see it for as long as you want (or as long as the Realtor allows). You also do research on the community, schools, public transport, restaurants, bars, etc. This is a pre-order of a phone that hasn't existed 1 month in the public sphere that costs over $2200 that people are buying impulsively rather than trying it out first hand.
Working in a job has nothing to do with paying for a product.
600K orders is a small fraction of the total that "could be" if people could actually order. It took me 16 hours of trying (off and on all day) to successfully buy two phones, a bumper and a dock. Imagine the actual sales numbers if people could get in and actually buy things.
Sheldon
That got me thinking. If they only had 600k units to sell as pre-orders and if the servers weren't having issues causing us to order constantly over and over for hours at a time, they would have simply sold out in a lot less time. So from a purely financial standpoint it may not have been financially viable for AT&T to spend a gazillion dollars just to speed up the inevitable of selling out in only a few hours.
This is a pre-order of a phone that hasn't existed 1 month in the public sphere that costs over $2200 that people are buying impulsively rather than trying it out first hand.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt before rubber stamping you a troll...
1) Show us any evidence that anyone had to pay $2200 to pre-order an iPhone 4.
2) Tell us how the 30-day risk-free period of the iPhone 4 is not "trying it out first hand".
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Apple must be getting sick and tired of all these failed products they keep releasing........
Yeah. I don't understand how they stay in business.
Fire steve jobs!!!
I'm surprised their (Apple's and At&t's) servers couldn't handle the traffic. One of the largest tech companies and one of the oldest and largest telecom companies, in the World, could handle it. That surprises me. Sorry if that upsets/offends you.
You're surprised, that's fine, but your reasoning is flawed. Your argument that they should be able to handle any surge simply because they are big and old is erroneous. That has no barring on reality because there is a still a finite number of transactions they can do at any one time. You have no stated or broken down why you think the order load was well within reason for their server setup. You can't because there are too many factors to consider and too much info that we just can't get ahold of, but that is the crux of the issue with stating that they should have because of the criteria you stated.
What I didn't see coming was the same prices for the new phone as the one I just bought. I assumed (incorrectly, obviously) that they would be out of my price-range. When I saw they weren't and then saw the release date fell within my exchange/return window I figured I had nothing to lose.
Considering that is Apples standard practice across virtually all of their product lines, that shouldn't have surprised you.
It's all about trust. Apple has never let me down. Ever.
Blind faith is one of the most exploitable features corporations and governments see in the human race. Use your brains and never trust anything - not your priest, not your president and certainly not a profit driven corporation that enslaves its workforce worldwide.
Is anyone surprised by this announcement? I wonder how high the number would have been without system malfunctions? I think it's been said before... Apple is doomed.
Was able to pre-order two... I'll be waiting for FedEx on the 24th. Not surprisingly, I had success with one order while the West coast was at lunch, and pushed the other through while they were in traffic on the way home.
LOL I think um no matter if the system fail or not, they only had 600,000 to sell
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
Yeah, because we all know that once you take it out of the box and try it out, you're stuck with it forever. And you can't cancel the AT&T service - no matter what. That 2 week return policy and 30 day cancellation policy doesn't apply when you purchase an iPhone.
Sheldon
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
have you ever lived in a house before you bought it?
those usually cost a lot more. and the realtor showing is only the equivalent to the apple announcement, except that apple has a past history, while most home builders are unknown to the buyer especially if it is the second, thrid, etc sale of the house.
ever applied for a job after working for the company?
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
Then don't buy one without touching it. Go to the Apple store or your carrier and play with one before ordering. You will have to wait a few weeks, but that's unlikely to be fatal.
OTOH, millions of people ordered them without touching them based on their experience with Apple products, reviews, and so on. Yet the iPhone has the highest customer satisfaction rate of all phones - three years in a row.
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
You're the one being irrational and like all irrational posters do you become hypocritical in short order (see next post).
Have you had AT&T service? It is not as reliable as Verizon or even T-Mobile in my area (NYC). I've had AT&T for 4 years and I have come to expect drop calls...
So you admit that you can have expectations based on past experiences? Note that expectations don't just work for negative and positive experiences.
BTW, You don't pay $2,200, you pay $199 to $299 + $18 + tax. On top of that, you have a full 30 days to try out the device and return it for a refund and cancelation of your contract. So where is this massive risk and excessive costs coming from?
My order waived the upgrade fee even though I am not at two years until Nov 2010. Not sure why they waived it but I'll take it.
Yeah, from what I saw if you ordered through Apple's site the $18 upgrade fee was waived. But it seems that if you ordered through AT&T you were charged the $18 upgrade fee.
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Blind faith is one of the most exploitable features corporations and governments see in the human race. Use your brains and never trust anything - not your priest, not your president and certainly not a profit driven corporation that enslaves its workforce worldwide.
As a stock holder I think I can afford the $2200. Gotta love AAPL
have you ever lived in a house before you bought it?
those usually cost a lot more. and the realtor showing is only the equivalent to the apple announcement, except that apple has a past history, while most home builders are unknown to the buyer especially if it is the second, thrid, etc sale of the house.
ever applied for a job after working for the company?
horrible argument. you can go many times into a house you are keen on buying and see it for as long as you want (or as long as the Realtor allows). You also do research on the community, schools, public transport, restaurants, bars, etc. This is a pre-order of a phone that hasn't existed 1 month in the public sphere that costs over $2200 that people are buying impulsively rather than trying it out first hand.
Working in a job has nothing to do with paying for a product.
Wow 600,000 for one out of two colours and in only 5 of the 87 countries.
Can't Apple PR write a sentence on what's up with no White Pre-Orders?
Lost in all this iPhone 4 hype is the fact that Apple is now selling unlocked iPhones in Canada.
Don't forget in the UK too. Now, if they can do it in the US that would be impressive and revolutionary. What a nice marketing point.
600K orders is a small fraction of the total that "could be" if people could actually order. It took me 16 hours of trying (off and on all day) to successfully buy two phones, a bumper and a dock. Imagine the actual sales numbers if people could get in and actually buy things.
Sheldon
That got me thinking. If they only had 600k units to sell as pre-orders and if the servers weren't having issues causing us to order constantly over and over for hours at a time, they would have simply sold out in a lot less time. So from a purely financial standpoint it may not have been financially viable for AT&T to spend a gazillion dollars just to speed up the inevitable of selling out in only a few hours.
This is a pre-order of a phone that hasn't existed 1 month in the public sphere that costs over $2200 that people are buying impulsively rather than trying it out first hand.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt before rubber stamping you a troll...
1) Show us any evidence that anyone had to pay $2200 to pre-order an iPhone 4.
2) Tell us how the 30-day risk-free period of the iPhone 4 is not "trying it out first hand".
Wow 600,000 for one out of two colours and in only 5 of the 87 countries.
AND for only taking orders for a few hours before everything crashed!!