TD-SCDMA, I wonder if that is China's version of "Commie" control of their people's conversation?
Yeah, "Commie", I said it! I guess those who are sensitive forgot China's handling of free speech and the right to peaceably assemble in Tianamen Square!
Only "Alice in Wonderland" is make believe! Come join us in the real world.
Why dont you post those photos when US army naked all those prisoners and piled them up ? more horrible you can find if u want to search.
This is what US army does... human rights? comparing to your photo... hahaha...just dont pretend to be gentlemen, human beings are all the same. it is just the question rather you want to show it or not.
If it turns out the Chinese mobile phone standard infringes a bunch of IP patents, could Apple get in trouble for making a phone with it? Also, if this standard is an effort to circumvent the IP of other tech companies, could Apple make some enemies by being part of it?
either you are brain damaged or retarded. Hong Kong was a british COLONY for christ sake and you think it was free. without chinese insistency for its return, Hong Kong might be still ruled by supreme british: all top officials in Hong Kong are appointed by her majesty without any democratic process of selection. more than often those positions are so highly sought because the salary was astronomical while responsibility was absolute zero. do a survey on non-white british colonies: after britons left, how many countries or territories are not in a messed up situation?
Wow, an anti-imperialist viewpoint given the English empire is no more! Gee, Hong Kong looks more like Seoul then Beijing.
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chinese are not dummies. you think you can just dump whatever you deemed as a favor to them forever? don't be such a whiner as i don't think all democracy can do is to produce such a whiner like you: it is you who elected bush sr, b. clinton, bush jr, obama, and whoever will be coming. why in the hell do you complain about them?
Wow you have been reading "Party" literature and I don't mean the Democrats.
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on a side note, from the list you compiled above about china's "dark" side, it looks like that you are china's watcher and you are very good at the news headlines. i have to take my hat off.
Thank you, guess that means I am not retarded?
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well, simply having more money is better than nothing. what can you do about it?
Money makes the world go round. No money and your people starve. (North Korea) No money and you cannot keep up with you enemies. (Russia) No money and your healthcare system collapses. (UK) Government does not make money it only takes. Watch what happens to the USA when the money runs out, lest "The People" stand up and remove the incumbent fools running this country into the ground. Notice I didn't say "Democrats"! THROW THE BUMS OUT, GET RID OF ALL INCUMBENTS. START OVER, REBOOT THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, AND THE WHITE HOUSE. Power To The People.
There's no way 500,000,000 people can afford an iPhone in China.
The ultimate goal might be to sell an iPhone to every subscriber on a network, but that isn't realistic, is it.
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Originally Posted by anakin1992
agreed. the argument of that chinese is building a great wall against foreign technology is totally BS. telecom industries in china are diverse and competitive. foreign companies lost the advantages they used to uphold, simply because of the sheer size of money involved. chinese domestic telecom equipment builders are catching up quickly and becoming not just competitive but also aggressive, even though their technologies are still not up to the latest at front. and chinese market is hugh thus diverse and even though TD-SCDMA is the chinese version of their vision on future cell phone network, other standards are also finding its footage in china. in future, even there might be a TD-LTE, other LTE will be also there side by side with it.
If TD-SCDMA, or more likely TD-LTE, become an overall cheaper and better solution we might see China license their tech to other countries. Even if just the ones that tend to be poorer and use CDMA exclusively.
I wonder... Since TD-SCDMA is closer to W-CDMA than to CDMA2000 and even uses the same UMTS air interface it seems to me a "world mode" chip supporting W-CDMA and TD-SCDMA seems much more efficient, smaller, lower power, cheaper and all around easier than the current "world mode" chip from Qualcomm.
foxcomm is one of the good guys over there and its still has some bad worker conditions
A foxcomm factory in america would amass thousands of violations .
any way china will buy a ton of apple products as time goes on and i guess money in the end will strike down the communist leaders and let in democracy . let us all pray
america or bushes america has also done some very bad things
so
big deal
the topic is about apple coming to china one day
and if google 's actions lately are any kind of future roadmap for apple
The Clinton common is only partly true. China was handed US technology when the Republicans convinced the Democrats to go along with so called free trade agreements. I suppose since big lobbying dollars was being thrown at both parties it wasn't that hard to do. Unfortunately, so called free trade agreements are unfair and favor foreign workers over american workers. Further, they undercut the tax base that we used to fund valuable services. In addition, they make america more insecure.
I remember when APple used to run commercials saying how it couldn't sell it's power macs in countries like China because the US government said they were too powerful for certain countries to have. Now we ship all our cutting edge technology to China to be build where they freely copy it. Worst, we have lost the manufacturing capacity to build these things ourselves.
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Originally Posted by stottm
Let us not forget that China is a communist country. Allbeit a schizophrenic communist capitalist system. Hong Kong is only free because it used to be owned by the English. Freedom remains in Hong Kong only because the communists know there would be outright rebellion if they tried to clamp down. It would also be very bad publicity.
The Chinese have stolen a lot of tech from USA and some of it was handed to them by, cough, Clinton. They have zero military relations with the USA. They have been building their military at a cold war pace. They turn over North Korean escapees. They sell weapons to our enemies. They (disappear people), they imprison Christian missionaries. If you travel there you are escorted and followed around by secret police. They are some of the biggest polluters and do not care about the health and safety of their workers or people. Dumping hazardous waste that goes downstream killing thousands. Knocking down homes and stealing land without notice. If a worker is injured, they simply can no longer work and are kicked out of their housing and sent away.
It is nowhere near as bad as North Korea, but in many ways the same with simply more money.
it is ITU standard, thus any equipment vendors have to license this part of interface implementation from chinese. we will see how many of equipment vendors, such as siements/nokia/etc, want to build products on it and sell it to chinese carriers. it is the specification for air interface, which means how base station talks to mobile device. it is not the whole suit of cell network system.
in general, in term of industrial IP as such TD-SCDMA, china is not willing to steal the IP because they simply can NOT build those more advanced equipments, at least not yet. the only way for us to keep leading is to stand on 3 steps ahead of them. they have been talking 3G almost decade ago and many companies who flocked to china to catch their 3G bandwagon died many times already, yet they just started to provide 3G lately.
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Originally Posted by ascii
If it turns out the Chinese mobile phone standard infringes a bunch of IP patents, could Apple get in trouble for making a phone with it? Also, if this standard is an effort to circumvent the IP of other tech companies, could Apple make some enemies by being part of it?
If TD-SCDMA, or more likely TD-LTE, become an overall cheaper and better solution we might see China license their tech to other countries. Even if just the ones that tend to be poorer and use CDMA exclusively.
I wonder... Since TD-SCDMA is closer to W-CDMA than to CDMA2000 and even uses the same UMTS air interface it seems to me a "world mode" chip supporting W-CDMA and TD-SCDMA seems much more efficient, smaller, lower power, cheaper and all around easier than the current "world mode" chip from Qualcomm.
there is a such concern that china might sell TD-SCDMA equipments to others. for low end markets, chinese might be able to penetrate. but if US/EU's existing equipment cost can reduce dramatically while marching to higher/better standards, the price/usage advantage by TD-SCDMA will be gone. further, if foreign equipment vendors build better/cheaper TD-SCDMA equipments, that who can sell more to low end markets is still up in air.
yes apple will bow very low to appease the red commies
just like google did last week
obama is pushing apple hard for balance of trade numbers
and verizon is also a no brainer
so apple may be can sell 25 million verizon branded iphones and maybe even 10 million verizon branded ipads
concerning china >>>>
china already buys tons of jail broken iphones with wifi included
>>> sales to china looks like maybe 20 million over 4 yrs
the over all halo effect looms much larger for all apple stuff for red china
sadly as a share holder apple using slave labor in commie red china will one day have to be reckoned with
apple sadly will reap what it sows
foxcomm sucks
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some USA factories might be a good starting point
Oh please, grow up! What are you, 12 years old? Your moronic banter makes you look quite stupid. Foxcom is NOT using slave labor. This whole issue is total BS. These are people working of their own free will at market prevailing wages. Further, they are provided with food, lodging, recreational facilities, etc. etc. etc. These jobs provide opportunities for them to advance economically and to send money home to what are typically poor rural areas. (When I worked at an automotive plant as a summer job, we all had to work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week to keep up with demand. Did that make me a slave?)
Further, the whole issue of suicides has been blown way out of proportion. The US has a higher suicide rate than what is found at these factories when taking into account the 100's of thousands of workers employed. As to your red bating, China is about as much communist as the US is. It has grown into a remarkable market economy filled with millions of entrepreneurs and expanding opportunities.
It's amazing how a US citizen , thinks that China sells weapons to our enemies. Yes that is true. But what he prob doesn't know is that the US government is the number one supplier of arms to the world and guess who they get sold to , China's enemies. In fact we sell them to anyone . The US is the most violent, corrupt and polluted country in the world. Now do you understand why the rest of the world laughs in our faces when we lecture them about ethics and human rights. The scale of the killing and destruction the US government causes is an order of magnitude more than any other entity. Most of it goes unreported. The history of the USA and the UK is replete with shady dealings , arming both sides in a conflict. Its been going on since man kind learnt to walk upright. We haven't evolved much really just in our capacity to kill each other.
So the implied meaning that China is evil applies to the USA as well. Pure hypocrisy
WAKE UP BUDDY
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Originally Posted by stottm
Let us not forget that China is a communist country. Allbeit a schizophrenic communist capitalist system. Hong Kong is only free because it used to be owned by the English. Freedom remains in Hong Kong only because the communists know there would be outright rebellion if they tried to clamp down. It would also be very bad publicity.
The Chinese have stolen a lot of tech from USA and some of it was handed to them by, cough, Clinton. They have zero military relations with the USA. They have been building their military at a cold war pace. They turn over North Korean escapees. They sell weapons to our enemies. They (disappear people), they imprison Christian missionaries. If you travel there you are escorted and followed around by secret police. They are some of the biggest polluters and do not care about the health and safety of their workers or people. Dumping hazardous waste that goes downstream killing thousands. Knocking down homes and stealing land without notice. If a worker is injured, they simply can no longer work and are kicked out of their housing and sent away.
It is nowhere near as bad as North Korea, but in many ways the same with simply more money.
Can we cut the crap about politics and culture difference and focus on what we should be here for, Tech and Apple. Most of you wont know enough about US or China anyway. They are two VERY different culture and countries with different state of economy.
There are few things to point out,
1. In Marketing Terms "4G" is actually 3.9G in technical terms. 4G ( LTE Advanced is still few years away )
2. TD-LTE is a 3.9G tech as well.
3. Those who have been to Shanghai for World Expo 2010 would have had to chance to test out TD-LTE. Which is on par with current FD-LTE implementation.
4. TD-LTE is better at handing high loads on High population density cities. ( China / India )
India is now also considering using TD-LTE for 3.9G Deployment.
TD-LTE equipment should be cheaper then FD-LTE.
The best thing is, it is not hard to make a FDD / TDD LTE Supporting equipment. So in the future we may see iPhone supporting both at the same time. Opening up Market for US ( If Sprint decided to use TD-LTE ) India and China.
It's amazing how a US citizen , thinks that China sells weapons to our enemies. Yes that is true. But what he prob doesn't know is that the US government is the number one supplier of arms to the world and guess who they get sold to , China's enemies. In fact we sell them to anyone . The US is the most violent, corrupt and polluted country in the world. Now do you understand why the rest of the world laughs in our faces when we lecture them about ethics and human rights. The scale of the killing and destruction the US government causes is an order of magnitude more than any other entity. Most of it goes unreported. The history of the USA and the UK is replete with shady dealings , arming both sides in a conflict. Its been going on since man kind learnt to walk upright. We haven't evolved much really just in our capacity to kill each other.
So the implied meaning that China is evil applies to the USA as well. Pure hypocrisy
WAKE UP BUDDY
agreed ..many of us have worked all our lives to correct these true and bad things america does.. under a free society these things somehow still go on ...
we are also the number place on the planet for people to move to to get a better life ..
Oh please, grow up! What are you, 12 years old? Your moronic banter makes you look quite stupid. Foxcom is NOT using slave labor. This whole issue is total BS. These are people working of their own free will at market prevailing wages. Further, they are provided with food, lodging, recreational facilities, etc. etc. etc. These jobs provide opportunities for them to advance economically and to send money home to what are typically poor rural areas. (When I worked at an automotive plant as a summer job, we all had to work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week to keep up with demand. Did that make me a slave?)
Further, the whole issue of suicides has been blown way out of proportion. The US has a higher suicide rate than what is found at these factories when taking into account the 100's of thousands of workers employed. As to your red bating, China is about as much communist as the US is. It has grown into a remarkable market economy filled with millions of entrepreneurs and expanding opportunities.
dude
please
why attack stupid people here
and why attack 12 yr olds ???
my poor writing skills do not change the fact that i understated every single thing i said .
red china is not a free and wonderful place that you say it is . i also take offense at your personal attacks .
so instead of crushing your silly remarks i will simply state. look at china's coal industry ?
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TD-SCDMA, I wonder if that is China's version of "Commie" control of their people's conversation?
Yeah, "Commie", I said it! I guess those who are sensitive forgot China's handling of free speech and the right to peaceably assemble in Tianamen Square!
Only "Alice in Wonderland" is make believe! Come join us in the real world.
Why dont you post those photos when US army naked all those prisoners and piled them up ? more horrible you can find if u want to search.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Sad...206103554.html
This website clearly shows how US army abused those prisoners..
either you are brain damaged or retarded. Hong Kong was a british COLONY for christ sake and you think it was free. without chinese insistency for its return, Hong Kong might be still ruled by supreme british: all top officials in Hong Kong are appointed by her majesty without any democratic process of selection. more than often those positions are so highly sought because the salary was astronomical while responsibility was absolute zero. do a survey on non-white british colonies: after britons left, how many countries or territories are not in a messed up situation?
Wow, an anti-imperialist viewpoint given the English empire is no more! Gee, Hong Kong looks more like Seoul then Beijing.
chinese are not dummies. you think you can just dump whatever you deemed as a favor to them forever? don't be such a whiner as i don't think all democracy can do is to produce such a whiner like you: it is you who elected bush sr, b. clinton, bush jr, obama, and whoever will be coming. why in the hell do you complain about them?
Wow you have been reading "Party" literature and I don't mean the Democrats.
on a side note, from the list you compiled above about china's "dark" side, it looks like that you are china's watcher and you are very good at the news headlines. i have to take my hat off.
Thank you, guess that means I am not retarded?
well, simply having more money is better than nothing. what can you do about it?
Money makes the world go round. No money and your people starve. (North Korea) No money and you cannot keep up with you enemies. (Russia) No money and your healthcare system collapses. (UK) Government does not make money it only takes. Watch what happens to the USA when the money runs out, lest "The People" stand up and remove the incumbent fools running this country into the ground. Notice I didn't say "Democrats"! THROW THE BUMS OUT, GET RID OF ALL INCUMBENTS. START OVER, REBOOT THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, AND THE WHITE HOUSE. Power To The People.
There's no way 500,000,000 people can afford an iPhone in China.
The ultimate goal might be to sell an iPhone to every subscriber on a network, but that isn't realistic, is it.
agreed. the argument of that chinese is building a great wall against foreign technology is totally BS. telecom industries in china are diverse and competitive. foreign companies lost the advantages they used to uphold, simply because of the sheer size of money involved. chinese domestic telecom equipment builders are catching up quickly and becoming not just competitive but also aggressive, even though their technologies are still not up to the latest at front. and chinese market is hugh thus diverse and even though TD-SCDMA is the chinese version of their vision on future cell phone network, other standards are also finding its footage in china. in future, even there might be a TD-LTE, other LTE will be also there side by side with it.
If TD-SCDMA, or more likely TD-LTE, become an overall cheaper and better solution we might see China license their tech to other countries. Even if just the ones that tend to be poorer and use CDMA exclusively.
I wonder... Since TD-SCDMA is closer to W-CDMA than to CDMA2000 and even uses the same UMTS air interface it seems to me a "world mode" chip supporting W-CDMA and TD-SCDMA seems much more efficient, smaller, lower power, cheaper and all around easier than the current "world mode" chip from Qualcomm.
Can we get rid of all the political vitriol on this thread.
Thanks.
chine has some bad human rights violations
foxcomm is one of the good guys over there and its still has some bad worker conditions
A foxcomm factory in america would amass thousands of violations .
any way china will buy a ton of apple products as time goes on and i guess money in the end will strike down the communist leaders and let in democracy . let us all pray
america or bushes america has also done some very bad things
so
big deal
the topic is about apple coming to china one day
and if google 's actions lately are any kind of future roadmap for apple
steve better bow low
very low
apple will reap what it sows
peace \\
and a happy 4th to all u dudes
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Dear Mods,
Can we get rid of all the political vitriol on this thread.
Thanks.
i regret this if I SET the tone early here
as a human being from the planet earth
i cannot ignore what and who apple is and what and who china is
1.3 billion people
vs greatest tech company ever
sadly some people here get bent out of shape over this kind of talk
i did not mean to stir the pot my buddy and i will delete all my posts here if you ask me too !!!!
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I remember when APple used to run commercials saying how it couldn't sell it's power macs in countries like China because the US government said they were too powerful for certain countries to have. Now we ship all our cutting edge technology to China to be build where they freely copy it. Worst, we have lost the manufacturing capacity to build these things ourselves.
Let us not forget that China is a communist country. Allbeit a schizophrenic communist capitalist system. Hong Kong is only free because it used to be owned by the English. Freedom remains in Hong Kong only because the communists know there would be outright rebellion if they tried to clamp down. It would also be very bad publicity.
The Chinese have stolen a lot of tech from USA and some of it was handed to them by, cough, Clinton. They have zero military relations with the USA. They have been building their military at a cold war pace. They turn over North Korean escapees. They sell weapons to our enemies. They (disappear people), they imprison Christian missionaries. If you travel there you are escorted and followed around by secret police. They are some of the biggest polluters and do not care about the health and safety of their workers or people. Dumping hazardous waste that goes downstream killing thousands. Knocking down homes and stealing land without notice. If a worker is injured, they simply can no longer work and are kicked out of their housing and sent away.
It is nowhere near as bad as North Korea, but in many ways the same with simply more money.
in general, in term of industrial IP as such TD-SCDMA, china is not willing to steal the IP because they simply can NOT build those more advanced equipments, at least not yet. the only way for us to keep leading is to stand on 3 steps ahead of them. they have been talking 3G almost decade ago and many companies who flocked to china to catch their 3G bandwagon died many times already, yet they just started to provide 3G lately.
If it turns out the Chinese mobile phone standard infringes a bunch of IP patents, could Apple get in trouble for making a phone with it? Also, if this standard is an effort to circumvent the IP of other tech companies, could Apple make some enemies by being part of it?
If TD-SCDMA, or more likely TD-LTE, become an overall cheaper and better solution we might see China license their tech to other countries. Even if just the ones that tend to be poorer and use CDMA exclusively.
I wonder... Since TD-SCDMA is closer to W-CDMA than to CDMA2000 and even uses the same UMTS air interface it seems to me a "world mode" chip supporting W-CDMA and TD-SCDMA seems much more efficient, smaller, lower power, cheaper and all around easier than the current "world mode" chip from Qualcomm.
there is a such concern that china might sell TD-SCDMA equipments to others. for low end markets, chinese might be able to penetrate. but if US/EU's existing equipment cost can reduce dramatically while marching to higher/better standards, the price/usage advantage by TD-SCDMA will be gone. further, if foreign equipment vendors build better/cheaper TD-SCDMA equipments, that who can sell more to low end markets is still up in air.
Because Sprint's "4G" is really Mobile WiMAx which is 3.9G.
It's just a rounding error. No worries.
Dear Mods,
Can we get rid of all the political vitriol on this thread.
Thanks.
I second that. I've never seen a thread on Appleinsider go downhill so quickly before.
Mmph... didn't find this guy in the least bit funny. Perhaps a cultural divide.
You quote Thatcher in your signature and you call out a cultural divide between Byrne and yourself?
Seriously? Perhaps that explains the lack of harmony between the isles and Britain for so long.
yes apple will bow very low to appease the red commies
just like google did last week
obama is pushing apple hard for balance of trade numbers
and verizon is also a no brainer
so apple may be can sell 25 million verizon branded iphones and maybe even 10 million verizon branded ipads
concerning china >>>>
china already buys tons of jail broken iphones with wifi included
>>> sales to china looks like maybe 20 million over 4 yrs
the over all halo effect looms much larger for all apple stuff for red china
sadly as a share holder apple using slave labor in commie red china will one day have to be reckoned with
apple sadly will reap what it sows
foxcomm sucks
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some USA factories might be a good starting point
Oh please, grow up! What are you, 12 years old? Your moronic banter makes you look quite stupid. Foxcom is NOT using slave labor. This whole issue is total BS. These are people working of their own free will at market prevailing wages. Further, they are provided with food, lodging, recreational facilities, etc. etc. etc. These jobs provide opportunities for them to advance economically and to send money home to what are typically poor rural areas. (When I worked at an automotive plant as a summer job, we all had to work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week to keep up with demand. Did that make me a slave?)
Further, the whole issue of suicides has been blown way out of proportion. The US has a higher suicide rate than what is found at these factories when taking into account the 100's of thousands of workers employed. As to your red bating, China is about as much communist as the US is. It has grown into a remarkable market economy filled with millions of entrepreneurs and expanding opportunities.
So the implied meaning that China is evil applies to the USA as well. Pure hypocrisy
WAKE UP BUDDY
Let us not forget that China is a communist country. Allbeit a schizophrenic communist capitalist system. Hong Kong is only free because it used to be owned by the English. Freedom remains in Hong Kong only because the communists know there would be outright rebellion if they tried to clamp down. It would also be very bad publicity.
The Chinese have stolen a lot of tech from USA and some of it was handed to them by, cough, Clinton. They have zero military relations with the USA. They have been building their military at a cold war pace. They turn over North Korean escapees. They sell weapons to our enemies. They (disappear people), they imprison Christian missionaries. If you travel there you are escorted and followed around by secret police. They are some of the biggest polluters and do not care about the health and safety of their workers or people. Dumping hazardous waste that goes downstream killing thousands. Knocking down homes and stealing land without notice. If a worker is injured, they simply can no longer work and are kicked out of their housing and sent away.
It is nowhere near as bad as North Korea, but in many ways the same with simply more money.
There are few things to point out,
1. In Marketing Terms "4G" is actually 3.9G in technical terms. 4G ( LTE Advanced is still few years away )
2. TD-LTE is a 3.9G tech as well.
3. Those who have been to Shanghai for World Expo 2010 would have had to chance to test out TD-LTE. Which is on par with current FD-LTE implementation.
4. TD-LTE is better at handing high loads on High population density cities. ( China / India )
India is now also considering using TD-LTE for 3.9G Deployment.
TD-LTE equipment should be cheaper then FD-LTE.
The best thing is, it is not hard to make a FDD / TDD LTE Supporting equipment. So in the future we may see iPhone supporting both at the same time. Opening up Market for US ( If Sprint decided to use TD-LTE ) India and China.
It's amazing how a US citizen , thinks that China sells weapons to our enemies. Yes that is true. But what he prob doesn't know is that the US government is the number one supplier of arms to the world and guess who they get sold to , China's enemies. In fact we sell them to anyone . The US is the most violent, corrupt and polluted country in the world. Now do you understand why the rest of the world laughs in our faces when we lecture them about ethics and human rights. The scale of the killing and destruction the US government causes is an order of magnitude more than any other entity. Most of it goes unreported. The history of the USA and the UK is replete with shady dealings , arming both sides in a conflict. Its been going on since man kind learnt to walk upright. We haven't evolved much really just in our capacity to kill each other.
So the implied meaning that China is evil applies to the USA as well. Pure hypocrisy
WAKE UP BUDDY
agreed ..many of us have worked all our lives to correct these true and bad things america does.. under a free society these things somehow still go on ...
we are also the number place on the planet for people to move to to get a better life ..
Oh please, grow up! What are you, 12 years old? Your moronic banter makes you look quite stupid. Foxcom is NOT using slave labor. This whole issue is total BS. These are people working of their own free will at market prevailing wages. Further, they are provided with food, lodging, recreational facilities, etc. etc. etc. These jobs provide opportunities for them to advance economically and to send money home to what are typically poor rural areas. (When I worked at an automotive plant as a summer job, we all had to work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week to keep up with demand. Did that make me a slave?)
Further, the whole issue of suicides has been blown way out of proportion. The US has a higher suicide rate than what is found at these factories when taking into account the 100's of thousands of workers employed. As to your red bating, China is about as much communist as the US is. It has grown into a remarkable market economy filled with millions of entrepreneurs and expanding opportunities.
dude
please
why attack stupid people here
and why attack 12 yr olds ???
my poor writing skills do not change the fact that i understated every single thing i said .
red china is not a free and wonderful place that you say it is . i also take offense at your personal attacks .
so instead of crushing your silly remarks i will simply state. look at china's coal industry ?
that is china today .
that is a total lack of human care and love .
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