You’ve resorted to trolling once again. On top of that you have nothing to say but to make abusive posts. I think this is in direct correlation to the media frenzy on this dying down but you need to cool it or you’re likely going to cross the one line here at AI. For all out sakes, at least pretend to be civil.
Lets wait till after the software fix comes out. I have a feeling it will be more than a cosmetic fix. Hopefully the software update will enhance the signal (Maybe just wishful thinking but we'll see soon enough).
As has been mentioned, A Case or Bumpers will do alot to alleviate dropped calls. I know it's almost impossible to find a case but cases will begin appearing in about another two weeks if last years senario follows suite.
Yes its frustrating, but not everyone is encountering the problem.
Today I spent half the day in Edinburgh. Mixed results that's for sure. There were some places where I had 5 bars on 3G where holding the phone as usual made no difference at all (felt pretty strange ) but that wasn't the norm. Most places I went the phone varied between dropping all 5 bars and going down to the slower network and then usually dropping down to 1 bar to just dropping one bar. Overall even though I usually lost bars the internet speeds weren't too bad unless it switched to the slower network which happened only about a quarter of the time. This was all in the center of the city as I went out of town even after half a mile or so the network would switch over from 3G to the slower network far more often, at least half probably closer to 3/4 of the time, and if I'd given it more time I wouldn't be surprised if it happened nearly all the time.
Overall though in the very center of Edinburgh I could use 3G. However, about a quarter of the web pages on 3G wouldn't load. Repeatedly my phone would just try loading a page and then give up after a long time trying. The only way I could get back 3G was to switch airplane mode on and then off again, it would quickly find 3G again and my pages would load. But it kept happening at the most I only ever got 7 or 8 web pages to load before I would have to switch on airplane mode on then off. Switching 3G on and off didn't work the few times I tried it. Hopefully there will be a SW fix for this.
On my old 3G I had 3G pages not load but only very occasionally.
The only conclusion I can draw from these data is that the iPhone 4 3G cell signal reception is really inconsistent. A few outliers in these datasets appear to throw thing off significantly - check out that 0.3 Mbps download with the full-on death grip. I?d discard the outliers, but the thing is, in every round of tests I get crazy outliers. This, I think, shows the inconsistent results (both in usage and measuring) in real-life scenarios.
All the tests were done using the FCC Mobile Broadband Test app. I sat in the same spot in downtown Portland, away from any obvious sources of interference. A larger dataset would likely flatten out the deviations. This is all I had time for.
The only conclusion I can draw from these data is that the iPhone 4 3G cell signal reception is really inconsistent. A few outliers in these datasets appear to throw thing off significantly - check out that 0.3 Mbps download with the full-on death grip. I’d discard the outliers, but the thing is, in every round of tests I get crazy outliers. This, I think, shows the inconsistent results (both in usage and measuring) in real-life scenarios.
All the tests were done using the FCC Mobile Broadband Test app. I sat in the same spot in downtown Portland, away from any obvious sources of interference. A larger dataset would likely flatten out the deviations. This is all I had time for.
I like Erica?s app. While it seems pretty clear there is a larger issue at play they really do need to adjust the way the bars are calculated. −95dB for 5 bars doesn?t seem right.
I like Erica?s app. While it seems pretty clear there is a larger issue at play they really do need to adjust the way the bars are calculated. −95dB for 5 bars doesn?t seem right.
I don't know anything about the db's but it's odd that Apple didn't either!
Here is another take on it?[INDENT]The only conclusion I can draw from these data is that the iPhone 4 3G cell signal reception is really inconsistent. A few outliers in these datasets appear to throw thing off significantly - check out that 0.3 Mbps download with the full-on death grip. I?d discard the outliers, but the thing is, in every round of tests I get crazy outliers. This, I think, shows the inconsistent results (both in usage and measuring) in real-life scenarios.
All the tests were done using the FCC Mobile Broadband Test app. I sat in the same spot in downtown Portland, away from any obvious sources of interference. A larger dataset would likely flatten out the deviations. This is all I had time for.
Actually, it tells you another thing - you have a lousy connection at all times. Even your best performance ratings are dismal.
Actually, it tells you another thing - you have a lousy connection at all times. Even your best performance ratings are dismal.
Well, these particular tests, depending on when they were done, may not mean anything at all. There are reports scattered about of AT&T experiencing network problems since at least the beginning of this past holiday weekend, which might also explain some of the outliers as well.
EDIT: Although, some of the reports are of the nature of "Did AT&T cap upload[/download] speeds."
I don't know anything about the db's but it's odd that Apple didn't either!
Of course Apple knows what dBs are and how to measure them. They pulled a marketing stunt that others clearly have done to make their device (or network for devices reworked by carriers) to give the illusion of better reception, but it?s not a lie because the bars don?t have resolute values.
Consumers as a whole don?t understand signal strength as an absolute value, they only understand the bars. More bars is better, even if you are comparing to another phone with 4 bars to yours with 5 bars even if the phone with less bars actually has a higher strength signal.
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Actually, it tells you another thing - you have a lousy connection at all times. Even your best performance ratings are dismal.
I like Erica?s app. While it seems pretty clear there is a larger issue at play they really do need to adjust the way the bars are calculated. −95dB for 5 bars doesn?t seem right.
But why does her app only go up to -80dB instead of -50dB?
That way it indicates that -95dB is a good signal even though it's not.
An HTC Nexus One will also drop to -113dB when gripping at -95dB.
Of course Apple knows what dBs are and how to measure them. They pulled a marketing stunt that others clearly have done to make their device (or network for devices reworked by carriers) to give the illusion of better reception, but it’s not a lie because the bars don’t have resolute values.
I figured that they might have been doing that. It sort of negates their "stunned" response. Indeed you may say they lied.
You forgot the other part, avoiding touching a black line on the side of your phone which is proven in cases to completely stop antenna signal going anywhere, which has nothing to do with the usual "attenuation" phones get. It's a completely different issue altogether.
Attenuation has always affected phones, it's a fact of life using a mobile phone. So users have used their iPhones without cases since the first one. This issue is far more serious, in that it can "completely" stop signal going anywhere. So if you are like me, and you used no case - and believe it or not there are many people like this, particularly in Europe it seems - you now have to change the way you used your phone by adding on a case - at an additional cost too mind you.
Interesting enough, you have to wonder why they make the iPhone 4 so pretty given that you have to cover it up for it to work properly. And you have to wonder why they never felt like they had to mention: "oh yeah, just so you know if you don't use a case with this iPhone it may not work as we have advertised it to work without a case in our advertisements" - before the iPhone went on sale. This is false advertisement.
People think by Apple saying you can return your phone within 30 days that this issue is just going to go away like it never happened, but it's not. It's more serious than that, and Apple aren't addressing it as such. In fact Apple has refused to acknowledge the issue is a problem. This has surprised me the most of all about the situation, given that Apple normally are great with the littlest of details. It's like as un-Apple as things go, really.
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You’ve resorted to trolling once again. On top of that you have nothing to say but to make abusive posts. I think this is in direct correlation to the media frenzy on this dying down but you need to cool it or you’re likely going to cross the one line here at AI. For all out sakes, at least pretend to be civil.
As has been mentioned, A Case or Bumpers will do alot to alleviate dropped calls. I know it's almost impossible to find a case but cases will begin appearing in about another two weeks if last years senario follows suite.
Yes its frustrating, but not everyone is encountering the problem.
Lets wait till after the software fix comes out. I have a feeling it will be more than a cosmetic fix. ...
Yes, clearly, the bar display will not be the only change in the upcoming update.
Overall though in the very center of Edinburgh I could use 3G. However, about a quarter of the web pages on 3G wouldn't load. Repeatedly my phone would just try loading a page and then give up after a long time trying. The only way I could get back 3G was to switch airplane mode on and then off again, it would quickly find 3G again and my pages would load. But it kept happening at the most I only ever got 7 or 8 web pages to load before I would have to switch on airplane mode on then off. Switching 3G on and off didn't work the few times I tried it. Hopefully there will be a SW fix for this.
On my old 3G I had 3G pages not load but only very occasionally.
Here is another take on it…
Not good. You might want to check this out too- http://www.tuaw.com/2010/07/06/video...ime-with-real/
And just the YouTube link- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCfyK...layer_embedded
Not good. You might want to check this out too- http://www.tuaw.com/2010/07/06/video...ime-with-real/
And just the YouTube link- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCfyK...layer_embedded
I like Erica?s app. While it seems pretty clear there is a larger issue at play they really do need to adjust the way the bars are calculated. −95dB for 5 bars doesn?t seem right.
I like Erica?s app. While it seems pretty clear there is a larger issue at play they really do need to adjust the way the bars are calculated. −95dB for 5 bars doesn?t seem right.
I don't know anything about the db's but it's odd that Apple didn't either!
Here is another take on it?[INDENT]The only conclusion I can draw from these data is that the iPhone 4 3G cell signal reception is really inconsistent. A few outliers in these datasets appear to throw thing off significantly - check out that 0.3 Mbps download with the full-on death grip. I?d discard the outliers, but the thing is, in every round of tests I get crazy outliers. This, I think, shows the inconsistent results (both in usage and measuring) in real-life scenarios.
All the tests were done using the FCC Mobile Broadband Test app. I sat in the same spot in downtown Portland, away from any obvious sources of interference. A larger dataset would likely flatten out the deviations. This is all I had time for.
Actually, it tells you another thing - you have a lousy connection at all times. Even your best performance ratings are dismal.
Actually, it tells you another thing - you have a lousy connection at all times. Even your best performance ratings are dismal.
Well, these particular tests, depending on when they were done, may not mean anything at all. There are reports scattered about of AT&T experiencing network problems since at least the beginning of this past holiday weekend, which might also explain some of the outliers as well.
EDIT: Although, some of the reports are of the nature of "Did AT&T cap upload[/download] speeds."
I don't know anything about the db's but it's odd that Apple didn't either!
Of course Apple knows what dBs are and how to measure them. They pulled a marketing stunt that others clearly have done to make their device (or network for devices reworked by carriers) to give the illusion of better reception, but it?s not a lie because the bars don?t have resolute values.
Consumers as a whole don?t understand signal strength as an absolute value, they only understand the bars. More bars is better, even if you are comparing to another phone with 4 bars to yours with 5 bars even if the phone with less bars actually has a higher strength signal.
Actually, it tells you another thing - you have a lousy connection at all times. Even your best performance ratings are dismal.
?You' isn?t ?me?.
I like Erica?s app. While it seems pretty clear there is a larger issue at play they really do need to adjust the way the bars are calculated. −95dB for 5 bars doesn?t seem right.
But why does her app only go up to -80dB instead of -50dB?
That way it indicates that -95dB is a good signal even though it's not.
An HTC Nexus One will also drop to -113dB when gripping at -95dB.
Of course Apple knows what dBs are and how to measure them. They pulled a marketing stunt that others clearly have done to make their device (or network for devices reworked by carriers) to give the illusion of better reception, but it’s not a lie because the bars don’t have resolute values.
I figured that they might have been doing that. It sort of negates their "stunned" response. Indeed you may say they lied.
I say put a damn case around it like you always did with every iPhone before it.
right on, this is a non issue---and it doesn't cause dropped calls as per recent articles
can't wait for the white ones, we'll get two!!!!
right on, this is a non issue---and it doesn't cause dropped calls as per recent articles:
http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=11158
"avoiding any signal attenuation"
You forgot the other part, avoiding touching a black line on the side of your phone which is proven in cases to completely stop antenna signal going anywhere, which has nothing to do with the usual "attenuation" phones get. It's a completely different issue altogether.
Different issue, same solution.
Different issue, same solution.
Huh? No. No. No.
Attenuation has always affected phones, it's a fact of life using a mobile phone. So users have used their iPhones without cases since the first one. This issue is far more serious, in that it can "completely" stop signal going anywhere. So if you are like me, and you used no case - and believe it or not there are many people like this, particularly in Europe it seems - you now have to change the way you used your phone by adding on a case - at an additional cost too mind you.
Interesting enough, you have to wonder why they make the iPhone 4 so pretty given that you have to cover it up for it to work properly. And you have to wonder why they never felt like they had to mention: "oh yeah, just so you know if you don't use a case with this iPhone it may not work as we have advertised it to work without a case in our advertisements" - before the iPhone went on sale. This is false advertisement.
People think by Apple saying you can return your phone within 30 days that this issue is just going to go away like it never happened, but it's not. It's more serious than that, and Apple aren't addressing it as such. In fact Apple has refused to acknowledge the issue is a problem. This has surprised me the most of all about the situation, given that Apple normally are great with the littlest of details. It's like as un-Apple as things go, really.
No! MY iPhone 4 is the best. I fart in your iPhone 4's general direction.
Love the "Holy Grail" reference.
You're wasting your time. Any kind of logic left this forum weeks ago. It's like trying to make a point while surround by a thousand vuvuzelas.
Frankly, the vuvuzelas make a far less irritating noise than you do lately.
How about you borrow this one instead-
10,000,000 cases x $29 = $290,000,000 hmmm....not a bad sum, let's keep the antenna where it is.
From a pure business standpoint? Ya gotta love it.