War is never good between companies and whether all these claims and responses are fact or fiction the APPLE or aNDROID customer are not going to see any benefit out of it.
No, Jobs said they had to contend when Tweetdeck programmer doesn't said anything about difficulties or that they had to make anything special to make the app work on any terminal
Then, apparently, they should be contending with it. Sounds from the comments to the blog, both quoted and hinted at, that the app works to varying degrees on different devices running different versions of Android. Sounds like the public end users are the guinea pigs and beta testers. Wonderful.
Except of course everything Jobs said about tweetdeck came from their own very detailed blog post...
For those too lazy to click:
For the truly lazy, here is what jobs actually said:
I just want to say thank you for going through the effort to provide actual citations, rather than Making Shit Up which is all too common these days. Of course, for some people all the evidence in the world will not slow them down from making bogus claims or misleading statements, but I hope others still strive to maintain an honest effort. It's usually a thankless job and I'd like to offset that a little here with a virtual +100.
A lot of what he says is technically true, but is so terribly "spun" that it's transparently kind of not true at all. He looks ridiculous saying some of these things when they are obviously very slanted remarks. Does he really expect us to just believe everything he says when it doesn't even make sense?
IMHO, this is a typical post from someone who is so biased .... they can't see the forest for the trees. Make up your mind. His statements are either TRUE or FALSE. You seem to be saying : Yes, the statements are true but because Steve says them, why should I automatically believe him. Jeez Louise even!
Exactly, what the other guys are saying doesn't make sense... Look at Linux/Windows vs OS X...
Also look at Google's name choices... chrome: reminds me of the chrome people would love to see in the 1970s on their cars and everything else (and unfortunately on iPods )
Android: Star Wars? Battlestar Galactica? Star Trek? World of Warcraft?
Seems very cheap and unattractive. Google is not longer a creative company, they've no more originality sorry.
As for Jobs, he's sort of harming himself and Apple by saying things like that, Apple concentrates on making great products that just work, not on how their competition makes sub-par copies of their ideas. No need to be rude, like Jobs himself said actually.
War is never good between companies and whether all these claims and responses are fact or fiction the APPLE or aNDROID customer are not going to see any benefit out of it.
well, Apple will continue with their own development of the iOS platform, regardless of the competition. Android, however, might see some improvements due to stiff competition and and Jobs calling the emperor out for having no clothes. So, there may be small upside for Android customers. That said, once the iPhone hits Verizon/Sprint/T-mobile the only android customers will be true-blooded Apple haters. And honestly, who gives a shit about them?
No, Jobs said they had to contend when Tweetdeck programmer doesn't said anything about difficulties or that they had to make anything special to make the app work on any terminal
Jobs said exactly what they said (They enver said the 244 number, but their chart clearly shows it) . Their post clearly demonstrates they felt the process and fragmentation was a challenge which is what he said. You are going to great lengths to try and rationalize Steve as having done something wrong when he clearly did not.
As for Jobs, he's sort of harming himself and Apple by saying things like that, Apple concentrates on making great products that just work, not on how their competition makes sub-par copies of their ideas. No need to be rude, like Jobs himself said actually.
Most be a reason for all this bashing. Perhaps to bring something to light or maybe there's a few things going on that the customers and investors aren't privi to.
He precisely makes the case as to why 'open' is completely meaningless to 99.9% of users (you know, the ones who actually buy things?).
As to the benefit to developers, what is more important to most? That they can add some obscure functionality, or that they are given a frame work that allows them to actually get paid for their work?
'open' is simply a religious movement (and for Google, a very selective one at that.)
When I hear 'open' I keep thinking open source code(Linux?).
Far as I know it is not open source, so Android is a 'closed' software system itself, but is licensed with less restrictions (more open) for use than iOS?.
As for Jobs, he's sort of harming himself and Apple by saying things like that, Apple concentrates on making great products that just work, not on how their competition makes sub-par copies of their ideas. No need to be rude, like Jobs himself said actually.
It's true that Apple generally sticks to themselves and simply focuses on making quality products, regardless of the competition. That said, Apple needs to get out front and sort of "control the dialogue." That dialogue got way out of hand with antennae-gate, and they'd like to avoid that in the future. Speaking out early against android fragmentation and 7" tablets puts the onus on the OTHER people to defend why android isn't fragmented or why a 7" tablet IS a good idea.
The jabs against RIM were just for fun. The little-noticed jab against Nokia was also nice (SJ said Nokia makes $50 smartphones, and good for them, but apple "isn't smart enough" to have figured out how to do that"). Notice these are the same companies that came out swinging in an effort to discredit the iPhone during antennae-gate....
Does it seem like Mr. Jobs as been a little more vocal than usual. Perhaps to a point where his foot is approaching his mouth. What point was he trying to make to his stockholders? I think I'd have just let the $20 billion quarter speak for itself.
I tend to agree. It seems very unlike Steve to make statements about the opposition one way or the other. To paraphrase Steve "Google doesn't have to fail for Apple to succeed."
War is never good between companies and whether all these claims and responses are fact or fiction the APPLE or aNDROID customer are not going to see any benefit out of it.
I disagree. I think competition between companies is good. I love my iPhone and I think it's good that Android pushes Apple a bit. Having a target to shoot for, or a target on your back, makes you work a bit harder.
I personally don't think Steve said (from reading the Tweet developers blog) anything out of line. Their developer posted a blog about it being fragmented... Steve just pointed it out.
...with a geeky take on the matter: "the definition of open: 'mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make'
Being a low level geek can someone tell me what that cryptic code means? Thanks.
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When Ballmer predicted openly that iPhone would fail, then claimed that no one would want the iPad, was that intelligence?
When Palm?s CEO laughed at the iPhone and claimed that ?computer guys? do not know how to do phones, was that politeness?
When Adobe CEO came out and claim that Flash, a proprietary closed Adobe product, is ?Open?, was that honesty?
When Schimdt joins the media to stir the Android is ?Open? fire, was that truthfulness?
I think everyone needs to take a step back and turn on our brains.
So what exactly did he make up? Oh he did not make anything up. You just made up your outrage.
Great post.
No, Jobs said they had to contend when Tweetdeck programmer doesn't said anything about difficulties or that they had to make anything special to make the app work on any terminal
Then, apparently, they should be contending with it. Sounds from the comments to the blog, both quoted and hinted at, that the app works to varying degrees on different devices running different versions of Android. Sounds like the public end users are the guinea pigs and beta testers. Wonderful.
When Dell told Apple it should close its doors, sell itself and return the cash to its investors, was that not humility?
When Ballmer predicted openly that iPhone would fail, then claimed that no one would want the iPad, was that intelligence?
When Palm?s CEO laughed at the iPhone and claimed that ?computer guys? do not know how to do phones, was that politeness?
When Adobe CEO came out and claim that Flash, a proprietary closed Adobe product, is ?Open?, was that honesty?
When Schimdt joins the media to stir the Android is ?Open? fire, was that truthfulness?
I think everyone needs to take a step back and turn on our brains.
Wow, ANOTHER great post.
Except of course everything Jobs said about tweetdeck came from their own very detailed blog post...
For those too lazy to click:
For the truly lazy, here is what jobs actually said:
I just want to say thank you for going through the effort to provide actual citations, rather than Making Shit Up which is all too common these days. Of course, for some people all the evidence in the world will not slow them down from making bogus claims or misleading statements, but I hope others still strive to maintain an honest effort. It's usually a thankless job and I'd like to offset that a little here with a virtual +100.
A lot of what he says is technically true, but is so terribly "spun" that it's transparently kind of not true at all. He looks ridiculous saying some of these things when they are obviously very slanted remarks. Does he really expect us to just believe everything he says when it doesn't even make sense?
IMHO, this is a typical post from someone who is so biased .... they can't see the forest for the trees. Make up your mind. His statements are either TRUE or FALSE. You seem to be saying : Yes, the statements are true but because Steve says them, why should I automatically believe him. Jeez Louise even!
obscure functionality like a built in access point or tethering?
Tethering does exist. Blame AT&T not Apple.
But in general, yes... obscure as far as 99% of users (you know, again, the actual customers.)
... or the other guys are making stuff up.
Depends on who you want to believe, I guess.
Exactly, what the other guys are saying doesn't make sense... Look at Linux/Windows vs OS X...
Also look at Google's name choices... chrome: reminds me of the chrome people would love to see in the 1970s on their cars and everything else (and unfortunately on iPods
Android: Star Wars? Battlestar Galactica? Star Trek? World of Warcraft?
Actually none of the above... The name and the icon have been stolen from an Atari game http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/s...lynx-title-ga/
Seems very cheap and unattractive. Google is not longer a creative company, they've no more originality sorry.
As for Jobs, he's sort of harming himself and Apple by saying things like that, Apple concentrates on making great products that just work, not on how their competition makes sub-par copies of their ideas. No need to be rude, like Jobs himself said actually.
War is never good between companies and whether all these claims and responses are fact or fiction the APPLE or aNDROID customer are not going to see any benefit out of it.
well, Apple will continue with their own development of the iOS platform, regardless of the competition. Android, however, might see some improvements due to stiff competition and and Jobs calling the emperor out for having no clothes. So, there may be small upside for Android customers. That said, once the iPhone hits Verizon/Sprint/T-mobile the only android customers will be true-blooded Apple haters. And honestly, who gives a shit about them?
No, Jobs said they had to contend when Tweetdeck programmer doesn't said anything about difficulties or that they had to make anything special to make the app work on any terminal
Jobs said exactly what they said (They enver said the 244 number, but their chart clearly shows it) . Their post clearly demonstrates they felt the process and fragmentation was a challenge which is what he said. You are going to great lengths to try and rationalize Steve as having done something wrong when he clearly did not.
As for Jobs, he's sort of harming himself and Apple by saying things like that, Apple concentrates on making great products that just work, not on how their competition makes sub-par copies of their ideas. No need to be rude, like Jobs himself said actually.
Most be a reason for all this bashing. Perhaps to bring something to light or maybe there's a few things going on that the customers and investors aren't privi to.
Rubin's Tweet had me rolling on the floor.
Talk about a case study in 'not getting it'.
He precisely makes the case as to why 'open' is completely meaningless to 99.9% of users (you know, the ones who actually buy things?).
As to the benefit to developers, what is more important to most? That they can add some obscure functionality, or that they are given a frame work that allows them to actually get paid for their work?
'open' is simply a religious movement (and for Google, a very selective one at that.)
When I hear 'open' I keep thinking open source code(Linux?).
Far as I know it is not open source, so Android is a 'closed' software system itself, but is licensed with less restrictions (more open) for use than iOS?.
Meh, each has its benefits.
As for Jobs, he's sort of harming himself and Apple by saying things like that, Apple concentrates on making great products that just work, not on how their competition makes sub-par copies of their ideas. No need to be rude, like Jobs himself said actually.
It's true that Apple generally sticks to themselves and simply focuses on making quality products, regardless of the competition. That said, Apple needs to get out front and sort of "control the dialogue." That dialogue got way out of hand with antennae-gate, and they'd like to avoid that in the future. Speaking out early against android fragmentation and 7" tablets puts the onus on the OTHER people to defend why android isn't fragmented or why a 7" tablet IS a good idea.
The jabs against RIM were just for fun. The little-noticed jab against Nokia was also nice (SJ said Nokia makes $50 smartphones, and good for them, but apple "isn't smart enough" to have figured out how to do that"). Notice these are the same companies that came out swinging in an effort to discredit the iPhone during antennae-gate....
Does it seem like Mr. Jobs as been a little more vocal than usual. Perhaps to a point where his foot is approaching his mouth. What point was he trying to make to his stockholders? I think I'd have just let the $20 billion quarter speak for itself.
I tend to agree. It seems very unlike Steve to make statements about the opposition one way or the other. To paraphrase Steve "Google doesn't have to fail for Apple to succeed."
War is never good between companies and whether all these claims and responses are fact or fiction the APPLE or aNDROID customer are not going to see any benefit out of it.
I disagree. I think competition between companies is good. I love my iPhone and I think it's good that Android pushes Apple a bit. Having a target to shoot for, or a target on your back, makes you work a bit harder.
I personally don't think Steve said (from reading the Tweet developers blog) anything out of line. Their developer posted a blog about it being fragmented... Steve just pointed it out.
...with a geeky take on the matter: "the definition of open: 'mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make'
Being a low level geek can someone tell me what that cryptic code means? Thanks.
Why do we care what Andy Rubin and TweetDeck have to say about TwitterDeck's problems with android development?