If you look at history, chances are that the percentage is tiny.
My daughter has a cell phone which is just over a year old that won't go any higher than 1.6. My ex's 3 month old phone is at 2.2. Neither one has any upgrades available. I wouldn't expect that ICS is going to change that.
That depends on the manufactrer. You're comparing one phone and assuming none of them are getting it.
I have high standards, and it doesn't matter one bit to me how many Android phones are out there or how many they give away for free. I don't think very highly of that OS.
From a personal perspective, I use a lot of music apps and Android is pure crap for music apps! Android will never appeal to a demanding and artistic pro user such as myself.
I possess the amazing ability to see through meaningless specs, flashy sci-fi commercials and realize that at the very core of Android, there is that Java based OS and that just doesn't cut it for people who demand true excellence and smooth performance. And from an aesthetic point of view, I just don't like the look of the OS.
I will continue to make fun of Apple's competitors all I want, get used to it.
What the hell? Have you not learned art is subjective? What's true excellence? Define that in a phone?
The camera also seems extremely mediocre from the sample shots. Definitely nothing approaching 4S quality.
Unfortunately, thisismynext were the only people to have this issue. And while watching their demo, I didn't see the lag they were talking about to be quite honest. BUT, I will say that playing with a phone and watching a phone be played aren't comparable (oh man, giggidy ). So I give them the benefit of the doubt.
What I find interesting is Engadget's review (among others). Engadget called it the fastest phone they've dealt with.
Um, yeeeah... I wasn't accusing you of saying anything. I thought it would be funny to turn fandroid arguments like "Apple didn't invent the rectangle" on its side and show how utterly ridiculous those are strawman arguments sound to me by hyperbolizing it.
Frankly, I don't care what your point was; I was more interested in making my point. Because I'm like that.
If it did, Pope Schmidt said it was OK and not to tell my parents.
If you look at history, chances are that the percentage is tiny.
My daughter has a cell phone which is just over a year old that won't go any higher than 1.6. My ex's 3 month old phone is at 2.2. Neither one has any upgrades available. I wouldn't expect that ICS is going to change that.
If you bought a phone less than a year ago with only 1.6 that is your problem and probably means you went for something that was the cheapest option available or that was free. 2.1 has been out for 2 years now. and 2.3 is also a year old. Even a year ago all major phones shipped with 2.2 No one can help you there.
40.5% of devices already run 2.3 or higher and many 2.2 devices are on the cusp of getting their promised 2.3 upgrade (Charge, Thunderbolt, Droid 2 Global etc) so the number of capable should be about half at least. The question isn't can, but WILL, since OEMs and carriers have to make it happen, which is the major Achilles heel of Android to begin with.
I used to share my contact information with my Handspring Visor over IR beam running PalmOS in 2001. This is not new. Apple could do it all using Bluetooth but rather uses messaging to accomplish the same task which isn't limited with distance.
This is actually a useful feature, especially for business use, and messaging is not the ideal way to implement it, since you have to already have the contact information to send it. IR is a little clunky, and bluetooth is not, I don't think, ideal either. This is actually an example of something NFC would be very useful for.
If you look at history, chances are that the percentage is tiny.
My daughter has a cell phone which is just over a year old that won't go any higher than 1.6. My ex's 3 month old phone is at 2.2. Neither one has any upgrades available. I wouldn't expect that ICS is going to change that.
Actually the number of Android devices on any 1.x version is very tiny: Less than 2.5%. Your daughter's phone is the rare exception rather than the rule.
I have high standards, and it doesn't matter one bit to me how many Android phones are out there or how many they give away for free. I don't think very highly of that OS.
From a personal perspective, I use a lot of music apps and Android is pure crap for music apps! Android will never appeal to a demanding and artistic pro user such as myself.
I possess the amazing ability to see through meaningless specs, flashy sci-fi commercials and realize that at the very core of Android, there is that Java based OS and that just doesn't cut it for people who demand true excellence and smooth performance. And from an aesthetic point of view, I just don't like the look of the OS.
I will continue to make fun of Apple's competitors all I want, get used to it.
Wow so you're like... Superman? You are ridiculous, a true troll.
Insisting on the face recognition feature without talking about all the rest is pure trolling.
If you don't know the definition of success open a dictionary.
You don't even realize that your behavior is exactly what put Apple in a bad situation in the 90's. I'm sure that you liked your Apple II so much that you were one of those who still thought that Apple was the best computer company in 1997. I'm sure you said windows sucked compared to apple. Just following mindlessly what Apple does is uninteresting and counterproductive. I think that on an Apple forum we are allowed to compare the iPhone to other phones out there and take note of its weaknesses.
If you bought a phone less than a year ago with only 1.6 that is your problem and probably means you went for something that was the cheapest option available or that was free. 2.1 has been out for 2 years now. and 2.3 is also a year old. Even a year ago all major phones shipped with 2.2 No one can help you there.
40.5% of devices already run 2.3 or higher and many 2.2 devices are on the cusp of getting their promised 2.3 upgrade (Charge, Thunderbolt, Droid 2 Global etc) so the number of capable should be about half at least. The question isn't can, but WILL, since OEMs and carriers have to make it happen, which is the major Achilles heel of Android to begin with.
That's your argument? Every customer should study Android OS versions or they are suffer the consequences? You're right that the buyer should beware, but they should beware of the Android-based vendor's business model. Even now if you want an iPhone 3GS (completely free of charge with carrier contract) you get iOS 5.0.
You also get updates along with every other iOS-based iDevice until your device is no longer supported. It's simple, and customers seem to appreciate that which is why this "This Remarkably Sucky, Shoddy, Sloppy, Slapped Together Disaster of a Phone" the iPhone 4S sold more units in one weekend than any Android phone has been able to sell in 10x the duration and why the iPhone is the best selling smartphone brand on the planet.
And what's with this defense of "Google says?"? OK, so they say that any device running v2.3 will be able to get ICS, but they've made such claims in the past and yet releases from Google to carriers to handsets are never timely structured, timely or consistent. If I buy an Android-based device today with v2.3 will I get ICS the day the Galaxy Nexus arrives? How about a week late? How about a month late? How about by the end of Chinese new year? You can't. That's not what I look for with a CE company if I'm going to spend thousands over the course of two years.
Looks like another minor update. I wonder at what point people will actually start talking about the fact that Google's progress on Android appears to have slowed to a crawl. It's been nearly a year since the last phone release (2.3) - itself a minor update - and they have a slightly improved look, a new way to unlock the phone, and a handful of new gestures in some of the apps.
It's a complete refont of the UI and you call it a minor update? Have you ever used an android?
I have high standards, and it doesn't matter one bit to me how many Android phones are out there or how many they give away for free. I don't think very highly of that OS.
From a personal perspective, I use a lot of music apps and Android is pure crap for music apps! Android will never appeal to a demanding and artistic pro user such as myself.
I possess the amazing ability to see through meaningless specs, flashy sci-fi commercials and realize that at the very core of Android, there is that Java based OS and that just doesn't cut it for people who demand true excellence and smooth performance. And from an aesthetic point of view, I just don't like the look of the OS.
I will continue to make fun of Apple's competitors all I want, get used to it.
Congrats on your "amazing ability". Why not take it into the real world and use it for something constructive instead of hanging out on a forum"mak(ing) fun of Apple's competitors all I want"
I don't know about anyone else, but you kind of sound like a pompus dick.
The problem isn't Google necessarily but rather the OEMs and the carriers who don't show much enthusiasm for updates. In fact, given that both of those groups have traditionally made their money from sales of new hardware, it stands to reason that they would actually be against updating. It will be interesting to see how this plays out if Google does make ICS available to a wide array of phones and their partners don't cooperate.
Yeah, this is a huge problem and one that Apple's vertical integration allows them to somewhat sidestep by excluding some features from older models. The only reason to update the phones is to keep the nerds from screaming and build brand loyalty, but most normal users really don't care that much about an updated OS. This is true across the board for non-enthusiasts. I have a friend that still runs 10.4 despite the fact that his machine could go all the way to 10.6. I asked him once why he hadn't upgraded. "I'm fine with my computer as it is now. Why would I?" The payoff for the OEMs just isn't really there and it means testing and certifying every update to old phones for the carriers, who really don't care how happy you are since you're under contract.
On a side note, as an Android fan and OS X devotee, I've been very impressed with the dialog in this thread. There will be a few trolls in any controversial discussion, but by and large this civility is pretty awesome, given how much I see Android and iOS fans trolling each other's news.
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If you look at history, chances are that the percentage is tiny.
My daughter has a cell phone which is just over a year old that won't go any higher than 1.6. My ex's 3 month old phone is at 2.2. Neither one has any upgrades available. I wouldn't expect that ICS is going to change that.
That depends on the manufactrer. You're comparing one phone and assuming none of them are getting it.
That depends upon one's definition of success.
I have high standards, and it doesn't matter one bit to me how many Android phones are out there or how many they give away for free. I don't think very highly of that OS.
From a personal perspective, I use a lot of music apps and Android is pure crap for music apps! Android will never appeal to a demanding and artistic pro user such as myself.
I possess the amazing ability to see through meaningless specs, flashy sci-fi commercials and realize that at the very core of Android, there is that Java based OS and that just doesn't cut it for people who demand true excellence and smooth performance. And from an aesthetic point of view, I just don't like the look of the OS.
I will continue to make fun of Apple's competitors all I want, get used to it.
What the hell? Have you not learned art is subjective? What's true excellence? Define that in a phone?
From ThisismyNext:
Apparently, all the specs in the world still can't manage stutter/lag-free operation. Definitely an OS issue:
http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/g...ideo-hands-on/
The camera also seems extremely mediocre from the sample shots. Definitely nothing approaching 4S quality.
Unfortunately, thisismynext were the only people to have this issue. And while watching their demo, I didn't see the lag they were talking about to be quite honest. BUT, I will say that playing with a phone and watching a phone be played aren't comparable (oh man, giggidy
What I find interesting is Engadget's review (among others). Engadget called it the fastest phone they've dealt with.
Um, yeeeah... I wasn't accusing you of saying anything. I thought it would be funny to turn fandroid arguments like "Apple didn't invent the rectangle" on its side and show how utterly ridiculous those are strawman arguments sound to me by hyperbolizing it.
Frankly, I don't care what your point was; I was more interested in making my point. Because I'm like that.
If it did, Pope Schmidt said it was OK and not to tell my parents.
Lol. Good sense of humor.
If you look at history, chances are that the percentage is tiny.
My daughter has a cell phone which is just over a year old that won't go any higher than 1.6. My ex's 3 month old phone is at 2.2. Neither one has any upgrades available. I wouldn't expect that ICS is going to change that.
If you bought a phone less than a year ago with only 1.6 that is your problem and probably means you went for something that was the cheapest option available or that was free. 2.1 has been out for 2 years now. and 2.3 is also a year old. Even a year ago all major phones shipped with 2.2 No one can help you there.
As for upgrades Google has said any phone capable of running 2.3 can run ICS. Given the stats, (http://developer.android.com/resourc...-versions.html)
40.5% of devices already run 2.3 or higher and many 2.2 devices are on the cusp of getting their promised 2.3 upgrade (Charge, Thunderbolt, Droid 2 Global etc) so the number of capable should be about half at least. The question isn't can, but WILL, since OEMs and carriers have to make it happen, which is the major Achilles heel of Android to begin with.
I used to share my contact information with my Handspring Visor over IR beam running PalmOS in 2001. This is not new. Apple could do it all using Bluetooth but rather uses messaging to accomplish the same task which isn't limited with distance.
This is actually a useful feature, especially for business use, and messaging is not the ideal way to implement it, since you have to already have the contact information to send it. IR is a little clunky, and bluetooth is not, I don't think, ideal either. This is actually an example of something NFC would be very useful for.
If you look at history, chances are that the percentage is tiny.
My daughter has a cell phone which is just over a year old that won't go any higher than 1.6. My ex's 3 month old phone is at 2.2. Neither one has any upgrades available. I wouldn't expect that ICS is going to change that.
Actually the number of Android devices on any 1.x version is very tiny: Less than 2.5%. Your daughter's phone is the rare exception rather than the rule.
http://developer.android.com/resourc...-versions.html
... It's about the EXPERIENCE, not about who can brag a little bit about a better spec.
Or, to roughly paraphrase, it's not just about having all the right parts, you also have to get them in the right order.
That depends upon one's definition of success.
I have high standards, and it doesn't matter one bit to me how many Android phones are out there or how many they give away for free. I don't think very highly of that OS.
From a personal perspective, I use a lot of music apps and Android is pure crap for music apps! Android will never appeal to a demanding and artistic pro user such as myself.
I possess the amazing ability to see through meaningless specs, flashy sci-fi commercials and realize that at the very core of Android, there is that Java based OS and that just doesn't cut it for people who demand true excellence and smooth performance. And from an aesthetic point of view, I just don't like the look of the OS.
I will continue to make fun of Apple's competitors all I want, get used to it.
Wow so you're like... Superman? You are ridiculous, a true troll.
Insisting on the face recognition feature without talking about all the rest is pure trolling.
If you don't know the definition of success open a dictionary.
You don't even realize that your behavior is exactly what put Apple in a bad situation in the 90's. I'm sure that you liked your Apple II so much that you were one of those who still thought that Apple was the best computer company in 1997. I'm sure you said windows sucked compared to apple. Just following mindlessly what Apple does is uninteresting and counterproductive. I think that on an Apple forum we are allowed to compare the iPhone to other phones out there and take note of its weaknesses.
40.5% of devices already run 2.3 or higher.....
Are you sure it's not 40.4%?
Cite, please.
If you bought a phone less than a year ago with only 1.6 that is your problem and probably means you went for something that was the cheapest option available or that was free. 2.1 has been out for 2 years now. and 2.3 is also a year old. Even a year ago all major phones shipped with 2.2 No one can help you there.
As for upgrades Google has said any phone capable of running 2.3 can run ICS. Given the stats, (http://developer.android.com/resourc...-versions.html)
40.5% of devices already run 2.3 or higher and many 2.2 devices are on the cusp of getting their promised 2.3 upgrade (Charge, Thunderbolt, Droid 2 Global etc) so the number of capable should be about half at least. The question isn't can, but WILL, since OEMs and carriers have to make it happen, which is the major Achilles heel of Android to begin with.
That's your argument? Every customer should study Android OS versions or they are suffer the consequences? You're right that the buyer should beware, but they should beware of the Android-based vendor's business model. Even now if you want an iPhone 3GS (completely free of charge with carrier contract) you get iOS 5.0.
You also get updates along with every other iOS-based iDevice until your device is no longer supported. It's simple, and customers seem to appreciate that which is why this "This Remarkably Sucky, Shoddy, Sloppy, Slapped Together Disaster of a Phone" the iPhone 4S sold more units in one weekend than any Android phone has been able to sell in 10x the duration and why the iPhone is the best selling smartphone brand on the planet.
And what's with this defense of "Google says?"? OK, so they say that any device running v2.3 will be able to get ICS, but they've made such claims in the past and yet releases from Google to carriers to handsets are never timely structured, timely or consistent. If I buy an Android-based device today with v2.3 will I get ICS the day the Galaxy Nexus arrives? How about a week late? How about a month late? How about by the end of Chinese new year? You can't. That's not what I look for with a CE company if I'm going to spend thousands over the course of two years.
Looks like another minor update. I wonder at what point people will actually start talking about the fact that Google's progress on Android appears to have slowed to a crawl. It's been nearly a year since the last phone release (2.3) - itself a minor update - and they have a slightly improved look, a new way to unlock the phone, and a handful of new gestures in some of the apps.
It's a complete refont of the UI and you call it a minor update? Have you ever used an android?
Each update has brough different bugs. Some bugs remain from when the phone was first released.
Im hoping ICS comes to the Droid X just so I can see if they have solved any of the problems from whatever version the phone came with.
For me I curse the day I switched to Verizon and Android.
I just want a Phone. Texting,Music playing, Web browsing phone that Works. Android was not the solution
Are you sure it's not 40.4%?
Cite, please.
Um, I did? Reading Comprehension.
http://developer.android.com/resourc...-versions.html
.5+38.2+.2+.9+.7=40.5% running 2.3 or higher.
It's a complete refont of the UI and you call it a minor update? Have you ever used an android?
Android: Now with 25% more font
(They went from 3 to 4 fonts, whilst iOS 5.0 has 58 fonts)
That depends upon one's definition of success.
I have high standards, and it doesn't matter one bit to me how many Android phones are out there or how many they give away for free. I don't think very highly of that OS.
From a personal perspective, I use a lot of music apps and Android is pure crap for music apps! Android will never appeal to a demanding and artistic pro user such as myself.
I possess the amazing ability to see through meaningless specs, flashy sci-fi commercials and realize that at the very core of Android, there is that Java based OS and that just doesn't cut it for people who demand true excellence and smooth performance. And from an aesthetic point of view, I just don't like the look of the OS.
I will continue to make fun of Apple's competitors all I want, get used to it.
Congrats on your "amazing ability". Why not take it into the real world and use it for something constructive instead of hanging out on a forum"mak(ing) fun of Apple's competitors all I want"
I don't know about anyone else, but you kind of sound like a pompus dick.
Or, to roughly paraphrase, it's not just about having all the right parts, you also have to get them in the right order.
But that's the benefit fo having complete control over the hardware. The experience is the same across the board.
The problem isn't Google necessarily but rather the OEMs and the carriers who don't show much enthusiasm for updates. In fact, given that both of those groups have traditionally made their money from sales of new hardware, it stands to reason that they would actually be against updating. It will be interesting to see how this plays out if Google does make ICS available to a wide array of phones and their partners don't cooperate.
Yeah, this is a huge problem and one that Apple's vertical integration allows them to somewhat sidestep by excluding some features from older models. The only reason to update the phones is to keep the nerds from screaming and build brand loyalty, but most normal users really don't care that much about an updated OS. This is true across the board for non-enthusiasts. I have a friend that still runs 10.4 despite the fact that his machine could go all the way to 10.6. I asked him once why he hadn't upgraded. "I'm fine with my computer as it is now. Why would I?" The payoff for the OEMs just isn't really there and it means testing and certifying every update to old phones for the carriers, who really don't care how happy you are since you're under contract.
On a side note, as an Android fan and OS X devotee, I've been very impressed with the dialog in this thread. There will be a few trolls in any controversial discussion, but by and large this civility is pretty awesome, given how much I see Android and iOS fans trolling each other's news.