How much different in design is the 4S from the original iPhone? They did a great job designing it originally, and are continually making incremental improvements. The hardware will be beefed up as will the capabilities as they are every year. I am sure the larger screen and the improved speed as well as LTE will be noticeable to many users, especially those who are upgrading from a 3GS or a 4.
Different enough to know that the phone in the pictures is an iPhone 4.
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
I'm sure Steve had quite a bit of influence on this design.
A good friend of mine who is high up at Apple, told me over 1.5 years ago, well before the 4S came out, that Apple would be going with a taller screen, not a wider screen. Sure enough, he was right.
Can you tell me how many fanboys there are? Or is it really a self-labeling situation where the mere act of purchasing an Apple product turns one into a fanboy?
At the iPhone sales rates of each successive generation (doubling each time) the fanboy population is going to overtake the rest of the populace pretty soon.
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
The 4S is a beautiful phone. There are just so many ways to design a phone. Unlike Sammy, Apple had nothing to copy but it's own device. the iphone was never completely symmetrical to begin with. The facetime cam is off to the left of the earpiece in the 4S. the headphone jack wasn't in the middle.
No, nobody is asking anyone to get excited over leaked parts. And nobody cares if you're excited. If you like the product after its actually revealed, you buy it. If not, you don't. The market will decide. Meanwhile, those of us who are adults in the room will understand that it is the software/hardware features that nobody knows about yet, and whats actually inside this phone, that will define it. Imagine if just the cases of the new lumias with Win8 were leaked. The phones themselves look pretty much identical to previous lumias. Thats not the point.
Oh, and yes, I imagine consumers will be excited after the 12th. Quite a few, actually.
[quote name="SwissMac2" url="/t/152348/photos-of-allegedly-show-off-thinness-of-next-gen-iphone-versus-iphone-4s#post_2183199"]This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body[/QUOTE] Yes, pretty much the same thickness can be said about all YoY revisions to the iPhone and pretty much every phone model ever invented, especially now that we're talking about such a small value.
Did you even consider the relative different YoY? Did you complain about the 2nd the 3rd iPhone were thicker than the original iPhone?
[QUOTE]it's just the thinner glass that is different[/QUOTE] Glass so think it's not longer on main part of the back plate. Glass so thin that the back plate is now part of the frame and ties into the side frame. That's
[QUOTE] and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer.[/QUOTE] That makes as much sense as those that complained about Apple using glass and now all high-end phones use Gorilla Glass.
BTW, do you not hear about Gorilla Glass 2 or do you think Corning was telling you a fib?
[QUOTE]Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released[/QUOTE] Sure, you know what Jobs was thinking and you know that whatever Apple has had on the burner for the 6th gen iPhone was scraped as soon as Jobs died so they could start anew and bring it to market less than a year later¡
[QUOTE]it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities.[/QUOTE] If we're going to discuss things that offend the senses prepare for me to really tear your comments apart.
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
Please, if buying a Nokia or Samsung will stop your tiresome, childish posts here, then go for it. I'll even chip in for part of the cost. Also, if you honestly gave a shit about Apple's mobile products, you would have already replaced your obsolete 5 year old 3G, but it's fun pretending that you care, right?
Oh, and I propose a new rule that instates automatic banning for any mention of 'Steve Jobs would have never allowed' horse-shit. It's such a despicable, presumptuous, and classless statement. As if you have the faintest clue in hell what Steve Jobs would or wouldn't have allowed, compared to the executive team that have worked with him every single day for 10+ years and oversaw every intricacy and detail of every product launch since the iPod and the millions of decisions that went into every product since then. No, you, as a random messageboard poster clearly knows better what SJ would have wanted.
BTW dug up your 1st post here from 2007. You had such a sidainful view of Apple all the way back then, so tell me, why are you still with them? There's a shitload of other companies out there, nobody is holding a gun to your head making you buy anything Apple.
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Apple certainly have decimated their QC department this year due to the iPhone launch. Are their ambitions greater than their capacities right now? I fear Apple are going to slowly erode their reputation for quality and reliability just at the time when Windows users are flocking to the platform - only to be confronted with all these needless, sloppy mistakes in various products.
Is it just me or do you agree Apple's pursuit of profit seems to be more raw than ever these days?
Oh, and I propose a new rule that instates automatic banning for any mention of 'Steve Jobs would have never allowed' horse-shit. It's such a despicable, presumptuous, and classless statement. As if you have the faintest clue in hell what Steve Jobs would or wouldn't have allowed, compared to the executive team that have worked with him every single day for 10+ years and oversaw every intricacy and detail of every product launch since the iPod and the millions of decisions that went into every product since then. No, you, as a random messageboard poster clearly knows better what SJ would have wanted.
I think this is shaping up to be a great phone. I like the unibody design. The thinness of the glass is crazy. I think the long, slim design could actually turn out to be very cool. I suspect we'll see Android phones copy it. Samsung is probably working on the Galaxy Slim as we speak. By next year we'll be hearing that the slim design is inevitable and the idea of a wide phone is ridiculous.
why does everyone expect/want a radical redesign every year, it makes no sense to redesign it just for the sake of it and to make it seem like its something different.
If apple feel they got the design right, then whats the point in them changing it?
Part of the decreased thickness might be due to replacing the glass back with Al.
To answer skeptics who poo-poo what they perceive as incremental change in design, consider this - how much has the overall shape of the Porsche 911 (feel free to replace with your fav luxury sports car) changed overall? If you're observant, you'd have noticed subtle changes every few years representing advances in headlights, metal fabrication technique, etc. All the while, the engine improved much more dramatically but also imperceptibly to those not able to drive one.
The point is that when you have developed a classic design, you evolve it deliberately and not just for the sake of change.
Agree with you. Love my 4s. It's design is a classic. As SJ said, "Like a fine Leica camera.." Also, I like the glass back and stainless steel sides. Makes the phone relatively hard to scratch.
Still, as a stockholder, I fear that the stock will not react too well if everyone starts saying that there is nothing new here - design wise.
they changed the antenna design (I have an IPhone 4 and it did weaken the signal when held in a certain way)
larger screen
thinner
metal back
What I don't like or care about:
4G (it will make me get a more expensive data plan, because it'll be hard to limit the data to 200MB in practice)
looks too much like the IPhone 4. Part of the reason people look forward to getting a new phone is to get a new device. They could have done it differently while keeping the same usability/experience. The IPhone is not that perfect as to keep that design running through so many generations (IPhone 4, IPhone 4S and IPhone 5)
It does not look as symmetric anymore, from the back. The top/bottom parts look too narrow, and the camera does not fit nice anymore. In other words, it's not as perfect and beautiful as all other IPhones.
It does not stir up any emotion or excitement when you look at it, and I assume when you'll hold it.
What I don't like about IOS 6:
the Notification control panel is confusing and overly complicated.
It does not make it easy to manage all the settings from one place in case of low batter (you want to get the longest battery life, and want to turn off all battery consuming settings and leave, say, only voice service)
The voice-mail interface needs to be the same as the rest of the interface (swipe to delete, etc.)
provide a way for developers to code their apps with in a toddler mode, where the toddler does not press on "Buy more Apps" button, and get the password prompt. Big fail in the experience. There needs to be a solution for this across all apps.
Provide a way to zoom into websites designed for mobile devices. Many times you get to a website which is coded for the Iphone, only to discover that you can't zoom into it to read or see an image better (looking for and reverting to the version of the website designed for all devices is too time-consuming, not a solution)
Ditch the Weather app, or provide meaningful info (heat index, windchill, humidity, etc.)
Make it so IOS does not hesitate when I'm swiping from the home screen to the search screen. C'mon Apple. Very annoying.
Make it easy to automatically switch off data or Wi-Fi based on where you are and your signal to either. This will improve battery life.
What I don't know about it:
if they'll make the home button more reliable, so it does not stop working well after almost two years.
if the battery on 4G won't be too short, since it does not seem to be significantly bigger than the old one.
I think Apple still has the best hardware/software, but they can't take anything for granted, and need to work harder and not let their stuff get stale, and gradually get more complicated than it should be.
Why oh why are they moving the headphone jack to the bottom of the device?? Am I the only person who thinks this is odd? Honestly can't see the reasoning for that one. Someone please explain!
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
Didn't Steve Jobs have a lot of input into the iPhone 5, so much so, he really glossed over the 4S phone? Not sure you can blame Jony Ive on this one. It is clear that the iPhone's design will be set for multiple generations before Apple does any sort of noticeable revamp with regards to total design change. As of now it is software change and the swap this with this and put that over there with regards to current change. Bigger screen not withstanding. Kind of like Mac Pros, iMacs, Mac Books and MBA.
A four year old phone! Mine's not an iPhone, but what it is, is ten years old.
Why oh why are they moving the headphone jack to the bottom of the device?? Am I the only person who thinks this is odd? Honestly can't see the reasoning for that one. Someone please explain!
I've been waiting for them to do this since they first did it with the iPod Touch years ago. My headphone cable is always getting in the way of my display and camera when because it's plugged in at the top. With at the bottom the extra length is never an issue.
I am. I get excited when a new 911 Turbo Carerra Porsche rolls off the assembly line. The polish and quality of these designs drives the industry, period.
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Originally Posted by MacCentric
How much different in design is the 4S from the original iPhone? They did a great job designing it originally, and are continually making incremental improvements. The hardware will be beefed up as will the capabilities as they are every year. I am sure the larger screen and the improved speed as well as LTE will be noticeable to many users, especially those who are upgrading from a 3GS or a 4.
Different enough to know that the phone in the pictures is an iPhone 4.
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Originally Posted by SwissMac2
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
I'm sure Steve had quite a bit of influence on this design.
A good friend of mine who is high up at Apple, told me over 1.5 years ago, well before the 4S came out, that Apple would be going with a taller screen, not a wider screen. Sure enough, he was right.
Haters gonna hate.
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Originally Posted by daylove22
Only the fanboys
Can you tell me how many fanboys there are? Or is it really a self-labeling situation where the mere act of purchasing an Apple product turns one into a fanboy?
At the iPhone sales rates of each successive generation (doubling each time) the fanboy population is going to overtake the rest of the populace pretty soon.
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Originally Posted by SwissMac2
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
Can I borrow your Ouji board?
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Originally Posted by SwissMac2
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
The 4S is a beautiful phone. There are just so many ways to design a phone. Unlike Sammy, Apple had nothing to copy but it's own device. the iphone was never completely symmetrical to begin with. The facetime cam is off to the left of the earpiece in the 4S. the headphone jack wasn't in the middle.
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Originally Posted by Shidell
Consumers are supposed to get excited over this?
It's THAT, and everything else as a total package.
The iPhone is just beautifully put together and it runs iOS. Everyone knows what that means.
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Originally Posted by Shidell
Consumers are supposed to get excited over this?
No, nobody is asking anyone to get excited over leaked parts. And nobody cares if you're excited. If you like the product after its actually revealed, you buy it. If not, you don't. The market will decide. Meanwhile, those of us who are adults in the room will understand that it is the software/hardware features that nobody knows about yet, and whats actually inside this phone, that will define it. Imagine if just the cases of the new lumias with Win8 were leaked. The phones themselves look pretty much identical to previous lumias. Thats not the point.
Oh, and yes, I imagine consumers will be excited after the 12th. Quite a few, actually.
Yes, pretty much the same thickness can be said about all YoY revisions to the iPhone and pretty much every phone model ever invented, especially now that we're talking about such a small value.
Did you even consider the relative different YoY? Did you complain about the 2nd the 3rd iPhone were thicker than the original iPhone?
[QUOTE]it's just the thinner glass that is different[/QUOTE]
Glass so think it's not longer on main part of the back plate. Glass so thin that the back plate is now part of the frame and ties into the side frame. That's
[QUOTE] and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer.[/QUOTE]
That makes as much sense as those that complained about Apple using glass and now all high-end phones use Gorilla Glass.
BTW, do you not hear about Gorilla Glass 2 or do you think Corning was telling you a fib?
[QUOTE]Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released[/QUOTE]
Sure, you know what Jobs was thinking and you know that whatever Apple has had on the burner for the 6th gen iPhone was scraped as soon as Jobs died so they could start anew and bring it to market less than a year later¡
[QUOTE]it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities.[/QUOTE]
If we're going to discuss things that offend the senses prepare for me to really tear your comments apart.
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Originally Posted by SwissMac2
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
Please, if buying a Nokia or Samsung will stop your tiresome, childish posts here, then go for it. I'll even chip in for part of the cost. Also, if you honestly gave a shit about Apple's mobile products, you would have already replaced your obsolete 5 year old 3G, but it's fun pretending that you care, right?
Oh, and I propose a new rule that instates automatic banning for any mention of 'Steve Jobs would have never allowed' horse-shit. It's such a despicable, presumptuous, and classless statement. As if you have the faintest clue in hell what Steve Jobs would or wouldn't have allowed, compared to the executive team that have worked with him every single day for 10+ years and oversaw every intricacy and detail of every product launch since the iPod and the millions of decisions that went into every product since then. No, you, as a random messageboard poster clearly knows better what SJ would have wanted.
BTW dug up your 1st post here from 2007. You had such a sidainful view of Apple all the way back then, so tell me, why are you still with them? There's a shitload of other companies out there, nobody is holding a gun to your head making you buy anything Apple.
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Apple certainly have decimated their QC department this year due to the iPhone launch. Are their ambitions greater than their capacities right now? I fear Apple are going to slowly erode their reputation for quality and reliability just at the time when Windows users are flocking to the platform - only to be confronted with all these needless, sloppy mistakes in various products.
Is it just me or do you agree Apple's pursuit of profit seems to be more raw than ever these days?
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I think this is shaping up to be a great phone. I like the unibody design. The thinness of the glass is crazy. I think the long, slim design could actually turn out to be very cool. I suspect we'll see Android phones copy it. Samsung is probably working on the Galaxy Slim as we speak. By next year we'll be hearing that the slim design is inevitable and the idea of a wide phone is ridiculous.
why does everyone expect/want a radical redesign every year, it makes no sense to redesign it just for the sake of it and to make it seem like its something different.
If apple feel they got the design right, then whats the point in them changing it?
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Originally Posted by Harbinger
Part of the decreased thickness might be due to replacing the glass back with Al.
To answer skeptics who poo-poo what they perceive as incremental change in design, consider this - how much has the overall shape of the Porsche 911 (feel free to replace with your fav luxury sports car) changed overall? If you're observant, you'd have noticed subtle changes every few years representing advances in headlights, metal fabrication technique, etc. All the while, the engine improved much more dramatically but also imperceptibly to those not able to drive one.
The point is that when you have developed a classic design, you evolve it deliberately and not just for the sake of change.
Agree with you. Love my 4s. It's design is a classic. As SJ said, "Like a fine Leica camera.." Also, I like the glass back and stainless steel sides. Makes the phone relatively hard to scratch.
Still, as a stockholder, I fear that the stock will not react too well if everyone starts saying that there is nothing new here - design wise.
What I like about the new IPhone:
they changed the antenna design (I have an IPhone 4 and it did weaken the signal when held in a certain way)
larger screen
thinner
metal back
What I don't like or care about:
4G (it will make me get a more expensive data plan, because it'll be hard to limit the data to 200MB in practice)
looks too much like the IPhone 4. Part of the reason people look forward to getting a new phone is to get a new device. They could have done it differently while keeping the same usability/experience. The IPhone is not that perfect as to keep that design running through so many generations (IPhone 4, IPhone 4S and IPhone 5)
It does not look as symmetric anymore, from the back. The top/bottom parts look too narrow, and the camera does not fit nice anymore. In other words, it's not as perfect and beautiful as all other IPhones.
It does not stir up any emotion or excitement when you look at it, and I assume when you'll hold it.
What I don't like about IOS 6:
the Notification control panel is confusing and overly complicated.
It does not make it easy to manage all the settings from one place in case of low batter (you want to get the longest battery life, and want to turn off all battery consuming settings and leave, say, only voice service)
The voice-mail interface needs to be the same as the rest of the interface (swipe to delete, etc.)
provide a way for developers to code their apps with in a toddler mode, where the toddler does not press on "Buy more Apps" button, and get the password prompt. Big fail in the experience. There needs to be a solution for this across all apps.
Provide a way to zoom into websites designed for mobile devices. Many times you get to a website which is coded for the Iphone, only to discover that you can't zoom into it to read or see an image better (looking for and reverting to the version of the website designed for all devices is too time-consuming, not a solution)
Ditch the Weather app, or provide meaningful info (heat index, windchill, humidity, etc.)
Make it so IOS does not hesitate when I'm swiping from the home screen to the search screen. C'mon Apple. Very annoying.
Make it easy to automatically switch off data or Wi-Fi based on where you are and your signal to either. This will improve battery life.
What I don't know about it:
if they'll make the home button more reliable, so it does not stop working well after almost two years.
if the battery on 4G won't be too short, since it does not seem to be significantly bigger than the old one.
I think Apple still has the best hardware/software, but they can't take anything for granted, and need to work harder and not let their stuff get stale, and gradually get more complicated than it should be.
Why oh why are they moving the headphone jack to the bottom of the device?? Am I the only person who thinks this is odd? Honestly can't see the reasoning for that one. Someone please explain!
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Originally Posted by SwissMac2
This design is crap. It's basically a 4S S with pretty much the same thickness of body - it's just the thinner glass that is different - and that'll shatter more easily if there is only one layer. Then you've got those untidy holes all over the place - Steve Jobs would never have allowed a product like that to be released, it offends anyone with any artistic sensibilities. They aren't uniform, nor are they symmetrical. Was Jony Ive on leave when they thought this Frankenstein up? I really, really wanted to replace my tired old 3G iPhone this year, it's about 4 years old now and I really don't want a Samesung or a Notia...
Didn't Steve Jobs have a lot of input into the iPhone 5, so much so, he really glossed over the 4S phone? Not sure you can blame Jony Ive on this one. It is clear that the iPhone's design will be set for multiple generations before Apple does any sort of noticeable revamp with regards to total design change. As of now it is software change and the swap this with this and put that over there with regards to current change. Bigger screen not withstanding. Kind of like Mac Pros, iMacs, Mac Books and MBA.
A four year old phone! Mine's not an iPhone, but what it is, is ten years old.
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You can turn off 4G LTE if you want.
I've been waiting for them to do this since they first did it with the iPod Touch years ago. My headphone cable is always getting in the way of my display and camera when because it's plugged in at the top. With at the bottom the extra length is never an issue.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
It's only a millimetre. Nothing to get excited about.
I get excited about it, in a bad way. Keep that tiny mm and devote it entirely to battery!
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Originally Posted by Shidell
Consumers are supposed to get excited over this?
I am. I get excited when a new 911 Turbo Carerra Porsche rolls off the assembly line. The polish and quality of these designs drives the industry, period.