The article title makes this seem like a Verizon issue. It isn't. There are not enough antennas in the iPhone 5 to support voice and LTE date on ANY network. AT&T will be 3G speeds when talking and surfing.
There are ways around it, however. FaceTime, Skype, bobsled, vonage.
According to the article, VoLTE is due to be implemented towards the end of the year or early next year by Verizon and Metro PCS, followed by ATT & Clearwire. Likely, support for simultaneous 3G and LTE is already easy to achieve, since LTE is more similar to 3G than CDMA, giving AT&T bragging rights until Verizon gets their VoLTE going. Since the phone is being released with only 3 to 6 months before implementation of VoLTE, I can see why Apple wouldn't bother including another chip just for a few months for Verizon.
fwiw, this also explains why Apple made a big deal of better audio fidelity for calls, since VoLTE should have better frequency response.
My only hard memories of this concept are of the original iPhone, and so my information might be outdated, but I was under the impression that if you cancel your contract within the first 30 days, you cannot keep the phone at all (the phone that you purchased and own), and after the 30 you must pay the ETF to keep the phone. Nowhere do I remember returning the phone and still having to pay anything.
Did you not read VZWs policy? They changed it from 30 to 14 days last year.
According to the article, VoLTE is due to be implemented towards the end of the year or early next year by Verizon and Metro PCS, followed by ATT & Clearwire. Likely, support for simultaneous 3G and LTE is already easy to achieve, since LTE is more similar to 3G than CDMA, giving AT&T bragging rights until Verizon gets their VoLTE going. Since the phone is being released with only 3 to 6 months before implementation of VoLTE, I can see why Apple wouldn't bother including another chip just for a few months for Verizon.
fwiw, this also explains why Apple made a big deal of better audio fidelity for calls, since VoLTE should have better frequency response.
Oops, I should have said HSPDA+ for ATT is probably included in the LTE chipset ...
A little more research finds that Metro PCS actually has implemented VoLTE at approximately the same time as Korea but only around Dallas. Also, Verizon has been testing and apparently has a couple of test markets in the US.
It will be interesting to see how many Android handsets can actually support VoLTE (Metro PCS only offers one model). This could be significant in the comparison between iPhones and Android handsets.
That is curious. I'll just stay within the 14 days to be certain but the bolded text below could be construed as being in favor of Apple's 30 day policy as that is the one that is applicable to an iPhone purchased through Apple. I don't see how they could allow Apple to accept it after 14 days and then still charge you for a plan that is attached to no device.
If you don’t want to accept, don’t do any of these things. If you do accept, you can cancel a line of Service within 14 days of accepting this Agreement without having to pay an Early Termination Fee as long as you return, within the applicable return period, any equipment you purchased from us or one of our authorized agents at a discount in connection with your acceptance of this Agreement, but you’ll still have to pay for your Service through that date. If you signed up for Prepaid Service, no refunds will be granted after 14 days or if your account has been activated.
According to the article, VoLTE is due to be implemented towards the end of the year or early next year by Verizon and Metro PCS, followed by ATT & Clearwire. Likely, support for simultaneous 3G and LTE is already easy to achieve, since LTE is more similar to 3G than CDMA, giving AT&T bragging rights until Verizon gets their VoLTE going. Since the phone is being released with only 3 to 6 months before implementation of VoLTE, I can see why Apple wouldn't bother including another chip just for a few months for Verizon.
fwiw, this also explains why Apple made a big deal of better audio fidelity for calls, since VoLTE should have better frequency response.
So how do you explain the calls it can make over CDMA?
That is curious. I'll just stay within the 14 days to be certain but the bolded text below could be construed as being in favor of Apple's 30 day policy as that is the one that is applicable to an iPhone purchased through Apple. I don't see how they could allow Apple to accept it after 14 days and then still charge you for a plan that is attached to no device.
Also says "any equipment purchased from us or one of our authorized agents"
[QUOTE]So why does Verizon’s Samsung Galaxy S III, a 4G LTE phone, juggle calls and data? Samsung added an extra antenna so that it pulls data from the 4G LTE network at the same time that it’s using another antenna to do voice, said Anand Shimpi, editor in chief of AnandTech.
Then why didn’t Apple add another antenna? Its phone already has two antennas in an effort to improve reception, and it would have had to add a third antenna just for Verizon and Sprint phones to give them simultaneous data and calls, Mr. Shimpi explained. Leaving that third antenna out allows Apple to simplify the process of manufacturing the iPhone for multiple carriers. Plus, in the next two years, 4G LTE technology is supposed to evolve to support voice calls, which would render another antenna unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
For crying out loud, Verizon, what decade is this??
Incorrect blame. This is not a verizon problem. ALL other LTE Smartphones on verizon have the ability to do simultaneous voice and data while on LTE. Iphone 5 is the only LTE smartphone that cannot do it, due to it's design.
Because we all know that Verizon won't implement VoLTE until the iPhone 5SVD is released next September. In May, Verizon spokespeople were telling the tech press that "there's no rush to implement VoLTE because only 2 phones support it."
Because we all know that Verizon won't implement VoLTE until the iPhone 5SVD is released next September. In May, Verizon spokespeople were telling the tech press that "there's no rush to implement VoLTE because only 2 phones support it."
Then that is on Verizon. Verizon has been claiming to implement VoLTE for over a year - you have to wonder if Apple thought Verizon would be good to its word in delivering VoLTE in time when they started designing the iPhone 5.
Btw, here is an article explaining the situation ... "While some network operators might have an inclination towards CS-Fallback (CSFB) to GSM and UMTS, others like Verizon have gone the dual radio approach, i.e. having two radios active at the same time, one for CDMA-1x and one for LTE. "[=http://mobilesociety.typepad.com/mobile_life/2012/03/lte-dual-radio-with-a-single-chip.html][/]
The problem is that you can't run both radios at the same time without causing a lot of interference between them, resulting in a lot of over engineering for an implementation supported by one carrier that will be superseded in less than a year.
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Originally Posted by starbird73
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The article title makes this seem like a Verizon issue. It isn't. There are not enough antennas in the iPhone 5 to support voice and LTE date on ANY network. AT&T will be 3G speeds when talking and surfing.
There are ways around it, however. FaceTime, Skype, bobsled, vonage.
The issue here is supporting Voice Over LTE, which neither AT&T nor Verizon do. Ars Technica just recently had an article that Korea has the first cell system supporting Voice Over LTE. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/worlds-first-voice-over-lte-launches-in-korea-us-stuck-with-3g-calls/
According to the article, VoLTE is due to be implemented towards the end of the year or early next year by Verizon and Metro PCS, followed by ATT & Clearwire. Likely, support for simultaneous 3G and LTE is already easy to achieve, since LTE is more similar to 3G than CDMA, giving AT&T bragging rights until Verizon gets their VoLTE going. Since the phone is being released with only 3 to 6 months before implementation of VoLTE, I can see why Apple wouldn't bother including another chip just for a few months for Verizon.
fwiw, this also explains why Apple made a big deal of better audio fidelity for calls, since VoLTE should have better frequency response.
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Originally Posted by msimpson
I have not seen any "Mormon ads", maybe they are customized just for you,Dysamoria?
I don't see any mormon ads either. Maybe they are targeting Republicans only...
Did you not read VZWs policy? They changed it from 30 to 14 days last year.
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Originally Posted by elehcdn
The issue here is supporting Voice Over LTE, which neither AT&T nor Verizon do. Ars Technica just recently had an article that Korea has the first cell system supporting Voice Over LTE. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/worlds-first-voice-over-lte-launches-in-korea-us-stuck-with-3g-calls/
According to the article, VoLTE is due to be implemented towards the end of the year or early next year by Verizon and Metro PCS, followed by ATT & Clearwire. Likely, support for simultaneous 3G and LTE is already easy to achieve, since LTE is more similar to 3G than CDMA, giving AT&T bragging rights until Verizon gets their VoLTE going. Since the phone is being released with only 3 to 6 months before implementation of VoLTE, I can see why Apple wouldn't bother including another chip just for a few months for Verizon.
fwiw, this also explains why Apple made a big deal of better audio fidelity for calls, since VoLTE should have better frequency response.
Oops, I should have said HSPDA+ for ATT is probably included in the LTE chipset ...
A little more research finds that Metro PCS actually has implemented VoLTE at approximately the same time as Korea but only around Dallas. Also, Verizon has been testing and apparently has a couple of test markets in the US.
It will be interesting to see how many Android handsets can actually support VoLTE (Metro PCS only offers one model). This could be significant in the comparison between iPhones and Android handsets.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Question is why can't the iPhone do what every other LTE phone can?
Maybe Samscum has a patent on this... anyway, I think the iPhone will be able to pull this off soon, in some manner or other.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
You're doing something wrong because I do it all the time on mine. I even tether while on a call. So it's yours.
I can tether too, although I do have the original GSM version, which doesn't even have LTE, however it will work in more countries.
That is curious. I'll just stay within the 14 days to be certain but the bolded text below could be construed as being in favor of Apple's 30 day policy as that is the one that is applicable to an iPhone purchased through Apple. I don't see how they could allow Apple to accept it after 14 days and then still charge you for a plan that is attached to no device.
So how do you explain the calls it can make over CDMA?
DOH. I never considered the GSM version.
Also says "any equipment purchased from us or one of our authorized agents"
Then why can HTC, and Motorola phones do it?
[QUOTE]So why does Verizon’s Samsung Galaxy S III, a 4G LTE phone, juggle calls and data? Samsung added an extra antenna so that it pulls data from the 4G LTE network at the same time that it’s using another antenna to do voice, said Anand Shimpi, editor in chief of AnandTech.
Then why didn’t Apple add another antenna? Its phone already has two antennas in an effort to improve reception, and it would have had to add a third antenna just for Verizon and Sprint phones to give them simultaneous data and calls, Mr. Shimpi explained. Leaving that third antenna out allows Apple to simplify the process of manufacturing the iPhone for multiple carriers. Plus, in the next two years, 4G LTE technology is supposed to evolve to support voice calls, which would render another antenna unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/iphone-5-calls-data/
Deal-Breaker for me.
I ALWAYS do tons on internet/app stuff while I talk.
As much as I hate to say it,
Once you go AT&T, you can't go back !!
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For crying out loud, Verizon, what decade is this??
Incorrect blame. This is not a verizon problem. ALL other LTE Smartphones on verizon have the ability to do simultaneous voice and data while on LTE. Iphone 5 is the only LTE smartphone that cannot do it, due to it's design.
Originally Posted by mrhoni
For iPhone 5 and ATT, will phone calls use LTE or use 3G? No data in use for this question.
There is no voice over LTE spec. It will use GSM.
Why bother to include extra hardware that will suck down your battery further when it will be obsolete in 6 months?
Because we all know that Verizon won't implement VoLTE until the iPhone 5SVD is released next September. In May, Verizon spokespeople were telling the tech press that "there's no rush to implement VoLTE because only 2 phones support it."
Then that is on Verizon. Verizon has been claiming to implement VoLTE for over a year - you have to wonder if Apple thought Verizon would be good to its word in delivering VoLTE in time when they started designing the iPhone 5.
Btw, here is an article explaining the situation ... "While some network operators might have an inclination towards CS-Fallback (CSFB) to GSM and UMTS, others like Verizon have gone the dual radio approach, i.e. having two radios active at the same time, one for CDMA-1x and one for LTE. "[=http://mobilesociety.typepad.com/mobile_life/2012/03/lte-dual-radio-with-a-single-chip.html][/]
The problem is that you can't run both radios at the same time without causing a lot of interference between them, resulting in a lot of over engineering for an implementation supported by one carrier that will be superseded in less than a year.