And again how is something they've been doing ALL ALONG monkey see, monkey do?
Because all along they have been 'inspired' by Apple. You might disagree that they were 'illegally' copying but the court evidence shows that despite initial claims they don't pay attention to Apple they most certainly did.
Does the same app offer something less of an experience on the 5 than it did on the 4S, 4, 3GS? Visual area? Audio? Function? Speed? So runs the same is now world class fragmentation? IMO that's world class BS.
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Is it just me, or are the trolls getting shittier everyday? "world-class fragmentation"? Is that a new buzzword or something? So now all phone models being sold by Apple have a grand total of TWO resolutions, that only differ VERTICALLY at that. My, the fragmentation is making my head explode.
I was responding to jragosta. Here is what he said;
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Why not? If you're going to have fragmentation, why not make it world-class fragmentation?
We already have several different Galaxy SIII phones. Some have 1 GB of RAM, others have 2 GB. Some have dual core processors, others have quad core. Why not add a few different sizes, as well?
Why not? If you're going to have fragmentation, why not make it world-class fragmentation?
We already have several different Galaxy SIII phones. Some have 1 GB of RAM, others have 2 GB. Some have dual core processors, others have quad core. Why not add a few different sizes, as well?
I am astounded at the "reality distortion field" that Android users use to judge and criticize Apple and iOS.
They remind of the mentality of being "counter-culture" simply for the sake of it, hypocritical and pointless, the tech generations equivalent of Rebel Without A Cause.
Hold an iPhone - any model, but especially the 4S and the 5 - next to the Samsung - how can one claim that the Samsung is of an equivalent build?
Scroll, pinch, zoom, use any kind of multi touch gesture on the GSIII and iPhone - how can one claim that Android is the same as iOS in its most basic functional requirements?
Try to use both iOS and Android for any kind of creative or media production - how can anyone with a shred of intelligence claim that Android is the same as iOS.
I can understand that Apple and its ecosystem, and UI may not be for everybody. Personally, I find iOS to be lacking in the UI department, especially compared to Windows Phone 8 (and as a Mac user since the SE, I can't believe I'm saying this), because I loathe skeumorphic UIs.
Yet, personal preferences should never be reason to distort the truth.
And the truth is that, for many, from casual smartphone user, to professionals such as doctors and lawyers, to artists and creatives such as musicians, the iPhone remains the best and perhaps without equal.
And the reasons seem simple to me:
no one can produce the hardware with the quality and engineering, in regards to design and technology, at the Apple's price point.
Android, without a complete rewrite, can never achieve the kind of creative potential that iOS already has and is continuing to evolve and an exciting pace.
Android is a phone with a computer hacked onto it.
iOS is an amazing computer with the capability to function as a very good phone.
Are you really trying to equate Android fragmentation to the iPhone 5, which ONLY differs in regards to carrier, color, and memory capacity?
Android fragmentation = fundamental variations amongst hardware platforms making application support and OS updating difficult, if not in some cases impossible.
iOS fragmentation = easy OS updatability and universal application support not just among iPhones but amongst iDevices?
Do you not see how illogical and irrational your claims make you seem?
Does that not worry you that you are so illogically and irrational attached to you "Android" that you promote false, nonsensical views?
Seems to me that Samsung is hedging its bets. Perhaps they fear that Apple is on to something with a 4 inch phone, despite the trend in the direction of much larger phones. So they want to make sure that the cover that gap in their device offerings for their flagship phone.
Yes, the iPhone 5 comes in different versions for different carriers, just like the SIII. That is essential until they can get one chip set that will work for all carriers. In addition, the iPhone comes in black and white - just like the SIII. Color, of course, can be readily distinguished so there's no risk of confusion.
IN ADDITION TO those differences, the SIII comes with different processors, depending on which one you buy. It also comes with different amounts of RAM, depending on which one you buy. You can't simply tell at a glance which one you have. And if this rumor is true, they will also have different sizes with the same designation - which is REALLY going to create confusion.
Seems to me that Samsung is hedging its bets. Perhaps they fear that Apple is on to something with a 4 inch phone, despite the trend in the direction of much larger phones. So they want to make sure that the cover that gap in their device offerings for their flagship phone.
In other news, they have a commercial ready that shows how the screen perfectly fits the span of someone's right thumb. Another ad asks rhetorically how something smaller can get bigger.
Classic case of citing information out of context.
However, your response does take advantage of my own poor choice of words.
First, I'll provide the context and full text:
Context: "The patent case is over a European patent entitled ‘Touch event model’, which outlines the way that Apple handles accidental presses outside of an intended touch target. Think the heel of your hand hitting a button while you’re tapping something with a thumb. Apple is arguing that Samsung Galaxy devices that run Android 2.3 and higher infringe on this patent."
So, the article is not about the entirety of core multitouch functionality, but rather functionality of the way both OSes handle accidental presses other than where the user intended. Apple has a patent for this in Europe and is alleging that Android and Samsung with Android 2.3 and higher infringe on this patent.
Thus, all arguments made for or against the infringment are narrowly tailored to be relevant to only this functionality - accidental touch input.
Full Text:
Samsung: "While Apple’s technology is a “very nice invention,” the technique used in Android differs from the iOS solution, argued Bas Berghuis van Woortman, one of Samsung’s lawyers. Because the Android based method is more hierarchical the system is more complex and therefore harder for developers to use, he said."
Apple: "“They suggest that they have a lesser solution, but that is simply not true,” said Apple’s lawyer Theo Blomme to judge Peter Blok, who presided over a team of three judges, in a response to Samsung’s claim. The technique used in Android does solve a multiple input “conflict situation” and in that way the Android software essentially does the same as Apple’s, he said."
So, Samsung is saying that the hierarchical structure creates a more complex method making it harder for developers to implement it. Note well that Samsung does not talk about users actually using the device, but developers implementing the technology to allow users to use the device.
Apple's response directly attacks this point. They claim that it doesn't matter how complex the method is or how difficult it is for developers to implement the technology. The end result is that the Android approach mimics iOS to the degree where it "essentially" copies what iOS does, violating the patent.
Thus your quote, "They suggest that they have a lesser solution, but that is simply not true." fails to accurately and correctly convey the true meaning of the article you quoted. I would argue that the author also missed the mark with his interpretation and title of the article. Therefore, the article you quoted does little to support the notion that the Android, when taken as a whole, provides the same user experience as iOS. After all, why would Google bother with Project Butter if that were true?
Finally, the reliance on legal argumentation in court fails to satisfy my question because I challenge anyone to compare the use of the phones side by side. If you can't or won't do that, the article you quoted provides you with weak support for your own claims.
Even Samsung admitted through internal documents released during trial that the iPhone experience was better. They directed their design and engineering staff to copy iOS, to the point where even Google told them they aped the iPhone way too much.
Thank you though, for the article. Whether intentionally or not, you proved my point: the Android reality distortion field overwhelms logic, reason, and plain old common sense.
I think everyone copies each other. In fact, I can't stop thinking about Braun T3 Radio when I look at iPods or iPhones; or Braun's LEI speaker when Apple's iMac. We'll talk when Apple comes up with something *original*.
Apple lost the GUI lawsuit against Microsoft years back; there are still Apple fanboys out there claiming that Microsoft, a legitimate licensee of Xerox's patents, stole Apple's GUI. So what's your point again?
PS. I have no doubt Samsung piggybacked on Apple's successful marketing.
Very simple concept, inspired by and straight up copying. Samsung straight up copy. "I think everyone copies each other".... Replace "copies" with inspired by and I would agree with that point.
That's a silly question.
Yes, the iPhone 5 comes in different versions for different carriers, just like the SIII. That is essential until they can get one chip set that will work for all carriers. In addition, the iPhone comes in black and white - just like the SIII. Color, of course, can be readily distinguished so there's no risk of confusion.
IN ADDITION TO those differences, the SIII comes with different processors, depending on which one you buy. It also comes with different amounts of RAM, depending on which one you buy. You can't simply tell at a glance which one you have. And if this rumor is true, they will also have different sizes with the same designation - which is REALLY going to create confusion.
Just FYI, the Galaxy S3 is the same on all US carriers (dual core with 2 gigs of RAM). It's different for international models (quad core with 1 gig) because those models don't support LTE. The dual core chip supports LTE and is all you can buy in America. That's not terribly confusing.
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Because all along they have been 'inspired' by Apple. You might disagree that they were 'illegally' copying but the court evidence shows that despite initial claims they don't pay attention to Apple they most certainly did.
Sure it's still android garbage, but it's for sure a step in the right direction.
The Galaxy SIII has no where else to go in terms of screen size.
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Originally Posted by ChristophB
Does the same app offer something less of an experience on the 5 than it did on the 4S, 4, 3GS? Visual area? Audio? Function? Speed? So runs the same is now world class fragmentation? IMO that's world class BS.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
Is it just me, or are the trolls getting shittier everyday? "world-class fragmentation"? Is that a new buzzword or something? So now all phone models being sold by Apple have a grand total of TWO resolutions, that only differ VERTICALLY at that. My, the fragmentation is making my head explode.
I was responding to jragosta. Here is what he said;
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Why not? If you're going to have fragmentation, why not make it world-class fragmentation?
We already have several different Galaxy SIII phones. Some have 1 GB of RAM, others have 2 GB. Some have dual core processors, others have quad core. Why not add a few different sizes, as well?
Aren't there 3 different iPhones 5?
I am astounded at the "reality distortion field" that Android users use to judge and criticize Apple and iOS.
They remind of the mentality of being "counter-culture" simply for the sake of it, hypocritical and pointless, the tech generations equivalent of Rebel Without A Cause.
Hold an iPhone - any model, but especially the 4S and the 5 - next to the Samsung - how can one claim that the Samsung is of an equivalent build?
Scroll, pinch, zoom, use any kind of multi touch gesture on the GSIII and iPhone - how can one claim that Android is the same as iOS in its most basic functional requirements?
Try to use both iOS and Android for any kind of creative or media production - how can anyone with a shred of intelligence claim that Android is the same as iOS.
I can understand that Apple and its ecosystem, and UI may not be for everybody. Personally, I find iOS to be lacking in the UI department, especially compared to Windows Phone 8 (and as a Mac user since the SE, I can't believe I'm saying this), because I loathe skeumorphic UIs.
Yet, personal preferences should never be reason to distort the truth.
And the truth is that, for many, from casual smartphone user, to professionals such as doctors and lawyers, to artists and creatives such as musicians, the iPhone remains the best and perhaps without equal.
And the reasons seem simple to me:
no one can produce the hardware with the quality and engineering, in regards to design and technology, at the Apple's price point.
Android, without a complete rewrite, can never achieve the kind of creative potential that iOS already has and is continuing to evolve and an exciting pace.
Android is a phone with a computer hacked onto it.
iOS is an amazing computer with the capability to function as a very good phone.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Aren't there 3 different iPhones 5?
Are you really trying to equate Android fragmentation to the iPhone 5, which ONLY differs in regards to carrier, color, and memory capacity?
Android fragmentation = fundamental variations amongst hardware platforms making application support and OS updating difficult, if not in some cases impossible.
iOS fragmentation = easy OS updatability and universal application support not just among iPhones but amongst iDevices?
Do you not see how illogical and irrational your claims make you seem?
Does that not worry you that you are so illogically and irrational attached to you "Android" that you promote false, nonsensical views?
That's a silly question.
Yes, the iPhone 5 comes in different versions for different carriers, just like the SIII. That is essential until they can get one chip set that will work for all carriers. In addition, the iPhone comes in black and white - just like the SIII. Color, of course, can be readily distinguished so there's no risk of confusion.
IN ADDITION TO those differences, the SIII comes with different processors, depending on which one you buy. It also comes with different amounts of RAM, depending on which one you buy. You can't simply tell at a glance which one you have. And if this rumor is true, they will also have different sizes with the same designation - which is REALLY going to create confusion.
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Originally Posted by Brometheus
Seems to me that Samsung is hedging its bets. Perhaps they fear that Apple is on to something with a 4 inch phone, despite the trend in the direction of much larger phones. So they want to make sure that the cover that gap in their device offerings for their flagship phone.
I couldn't agree with you more.
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Funny I feel the exact same way about an iPad mini too.
Except an iPad mini would be the competition's worst nightmare in the tablet space.
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Originally Posted by Technarchy
Sure it's still android garbage, but it's for sure a step in the right direction.
The Galaxy SIII has no where else to go in terms of screen size.
Nonsense. They don't yet have a version for people who like the look of holding a license plate up to their head.
Originally Posted by quinney
Nonsense. They don't yet have a version for people who like the look of holding a license plate up to their head.
Galaxy Note II is set to fix that, I think.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
Oddly enough, you'd have to ask Apple:
“They suggest that they have a lesser solution, but that is simply not true."
- Apple, speaking of Samsung's claim that their Android multitouch wasn't as good as Apple's.
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/09/07/awkward-apple-samsung-argue-others-multitouch-systems-fantastic-court/
Classic case of citing information out of context.
However, your response does take advantage of my own poor choice of words.
First, I'll provide the context and full text:
Context: "The patent case is over a European patent entitled ‘Touch event model’, which outlines the way that Apple handles accidental presses outside of an intended touch target. Think the heel of your hand hitting a button while you’re tapping something with a thumb. Apple is arguing that Samsung Galaxy devices that run Android 2.3 and higher infringe on this patent."
So, the article is not about the entirety of core multitouch functionality, but rather functionality of the way both OSes handle accidental presses other than where the user intended. Apple has a patent for this in Europe and is alleging that Android and Samsung with Android 2.3 and higher infringe on this patent.
Thus, all arguments made for or against the infringment are narrowly tailored to be relevant to only this functionality - accidental touch input.
Full Text:
Samsung: "While Apple’s technology is a “very nice invention,” the technique used in Android differs from the iOS solution, argued Bas Berghuis van Woortman, one of Samsung’s lawyers. Because the Android based method is more hierarchical the system is more complex and therefore harder for developers to use, he said."
Apple: "“They suggest that they have a lesser solution, but that is simply not true,” said Apple’s lawyer Theo Blomme to judge Peter Blok, who presided over a team of three judges, in a response to Samsung’s claim. The technique used in Android does solve a multiple input “conflict situation” and in that way the Android software essentially does the same as Apple’s, he said."
So, Samsung is saying that the hierarchical structure creates a more complex method making it harder for developers to implement it. Note well that Samsung does not talk about users actually using the device, but developers implementing the technology to allow users to use the device.
Apple's response directly attacks this point. They claim that it doesn't matter how complex the method is or how difficult it is for developers to implement the technology. The end result is that the Android approach mimics iOS to the degree where it "essentially" copies what iOS does, violating the patent.
Thus your quote, "They suggest that they have a lesser solution, but that is simply not true." fails to accurately and correctly convey the true meaning of the article you quoted. I would argue that the author also missed the mark with his interpretation and title of the article. Therefore, the article you quoted does little to support the notion that the Android, when taken as a whole, provides the same user experience as iOS. After all, why would Google bother with Project Butter if that were true?
Finally, the reliance on legal argumentation in court fails to satisfy my question because I challenge anyone to compare the use of the phones side by side. If you can't or won't do that, the article you quoted provides you with weak support for your own claims.
Even Samsung admitted through internal documents released during trial that the iPhone experience was better. They directed their design and engineering staff to copy iOS, to the point where even Google told them they aped the iPhone way too much.
Thank you though, for the article. Whether intentionally or not, you proved my point: the Android reality distortion field overwhelms logic, reason, and plain old common sense.
next.
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You might want to reread the history on that law suit again.
Beat me to it.
Just FYI, the Galaxy S3 is the same on all US carriers (dual core with 2 gigs of RAM). It's different for international models (quad core with 1 gig) because those models don't support LTE. The dual core chip supports LTE and is all you can buy in America. That's not terribly confusing.