"Most versatile port on a tablet"? In what way is it more versatile than the 30pin port?
Lighting is probably just a modified Thunderbolt. That means that unlike Dock Connector, it'll probably be able to connect via Thunderbolt and at Thunderbolt speeds (yes, yes, NAND r/w…), as well as all the other ports for which it already has accessories.
Lighting is probably just a modified Thunderbolt. That means that unlike Dock Connector, it'll probably be able to connect via Thunderbolt and at Thunderbolt speeds (yes, yes, NAND r/w…), as well as all the other ports for which it already has accessories.
I don't understand your logic. It doesn't matter if a tablet has a better screen, is faster and is more open when there are very few apps available and all of the exciting app development is happening on a different platform. Google can sell a transparent tablet made of diamonds for only $399 but it won't sell because you can't enjoy any good apps on that platform, or the rest of Apple's superior ecosystem. With Apple, you aren't just buying the hardware - you are also buying a robust ecosystem.
I am guessing that the vast majority of people out there use their tablets to (a) browse the web (b) read ebooks (c) play games (d) watch movies (not necessarily in that order). Very good apps for all of the above are available on Android. For all of the above, better screen, faster, and cheaper is better. I have no idea if Nexus is indeed better in any of these categories (well, it is cheaper for a similarly configured device), but if yes, Apple should be worried, no matter how robust its ecosystem is.
Arguing over which tablet has the fastest processor and best display, and making believe it's factual, when neither are in users hands yet and one (the Nexus10) not even available for detailed review for another few days. Someone's not sharing their time machine with the rest of us.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Already have the iPad to judge the display…
But not the Nexus 10- that's Gator's point.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
The Mini is in people's hands. Read the reviews.
The specs of the Nexus 10 are available - and they don't come close to the claims made by the troll I was responding to.
We're not talking about the Mini- we're talking about the iPad 4. But it's typical for you to just change arguments and topics and make up stuff to- key word- try to be right... which you clearly aren't.
Gator isn't claiming one is better or the other until he can actually see products that no one has been able to compare yet. You're just as much of a troll as the Android guy is- just opposite ends of the spectrum- you have no data and no experience, and yet you speak as if you're an authority.
Alright, by no means am I disappointed in the iPad Mini or the iPad, but I think this is a pretty uncharacteristic refresh for the company.
For the company when Steve Jobs was making the rules sure. But this is Tim Cook's Apple and if he wants to release the iPad in the Fall or even a baby step every six months or so, they will. What was 'characteristic, doesn't apply anymore
Come on.
OK here is something we can actually count - pixels.
Last time I checked:
2560 > 2048
1600 > 1536
It is really a simple math.
Except if it's a pentile display... and then you need to count subpixels ...if So then the effective resolution is less than the apparent resolution...
a pentile display has approximately 2 1/2 pixels per pixel because the red subpixel is shared with two pixels Thus 5 subpixels in total per 2 pixels. (blue-green-red-blue-green or is it green-blue-red-green-blue for 2 pixels)
Thus is the color resolution is lower or. Possibly blurry... might be moot point at this Resolution... but It does mean it is not a true 2560 screen resolution.
Furthermore Apple had a real problem getting 2048 pixels on their screen which equates to three times the number of sub pixels which means it's approximately 6144 sub pixels across... so Long story short the effective resolution of the Nexus 10 looks higher but it's the same
So Samsung by going to a Pentel display gets to play a numbers game and makes to screen resolution superior when in fact they gimped sorry they reduced the number of subpixels in order to increase the resolution...
so samsung has increased the number of subpixels by 4.167 percent...
Except if it's a pentile display... and then you need to count subpixels ...if So then the effective resolution is less than the apparent resolution...
a pentile display has approximately 2 1/2 pixels per pixel because the red subpixel is shared with two pixels Thus 5 subpixels in total per 2 pixels. (blue-green-red-blue-green or is it green-blue-red-green-blue for 2 pixels)
Thus is the color resolution is lower or. Possibly blurry... might be moot point at this Resolution... but It does mean it is not a true 2560 screen resolution.
Furthermore Apple had a real problem getting 2048 pixels on their screen which equates to three times the number of sub pixels which means it's approximately 6144 sub pixels across... so Long story short the effective resolution of the Nexus 10 looks higher but it's the same
So Samsung by going to a Pentel display gets to play a numbers game and makes to screen resolution superior when in fact they gimped sorry they reduced the number of subpixels in order to increase the resolution...
so samsung has increased the number of subpixels by 4.167 percent...
This is a very informative post, but notice that the number of subpixels of the Nexus 10 is, indeed, greater than that of the iPad 3/4, so the claims that the the Nexus screen is higher res cannot be denied. Since none of us have seen the thing, we don't know how well all this actually works, of course.
Except if it's a pentile display... and then you need to count subpixels ...if So then the effective resolution is less than the apparent resolution...
a pentile display has approximately 2 1/2 pixels per pixel because the red subpixel is shared with two pixels Thus 5 subpixels in total per 2 pixels. (blue-green-red-blue-green or is it green-blue-red-green-blue for 2 pixels)
Thus is the color resolution is lower or. Possibly blurry... might be moot point at this Resolution... but It does mean it is not a true 2560 screen resolution.
Furthermore Apple had a real problem getting 2048 pixels on their screen which equates to three times the number of sub pixels which means it's approximately 6144 sub pixels across... so Long story short the effective resolution of the Nexus 10 looks higher but it's the same
So Samsung by going to a Pentel display gets to play a numbers game and makes to screen resolution superior when in fact they gimped sorry they reduced the number of subpixels in order to increase the resolution...
so samsung has increased the number of subpixels by 4.167 percent...
Except it's not a Pentile screen on the Nexus10, so a moot point. It uses a 10.055 PLS (Plane to Line Switching) LCD at 2560x1600, which makes it truly 300ppi (plus a smidge)
Except it's [SIZE=14px]not[/SIZE] a Pentile screen on the Nexus10, so a moot point. It uses a 10.055 PLS (Plane to Line Switching) LCD at 2560x1600, which makes it truly 300ppi (plus a smidge)
I thought you were arguing that no one should comment on the product until it has been released?
Oh, you meant that no one should comment on the product unless they're shilling for Google. Got it.
In the end, though, this is typical of the kind of nonsense that the iHaters do. They argue over pointless specs. The iPad has a retina display. That means that your eyes can't discern individual pixels, so a finer resolution would be of zero value. In that case, color accuracy, viewing angle, brightness, etc will be far more relevant than the pointless resolution spec.
I thought you were arguing that no one should comment on the product until it has been released?
Oh, you meant that no one should comment on the product unless they're shilling for Google. Got it.
In the end, though, this is typical of the kind of nonsense that the iHaters do. They argue over pointless specs. The iPad has a retina display. That means that your eyes can't discern individual pixels, so a finer resolution would be of zero value. In that case, color accuracy, viewing angle, brightness, etc will be far more relevant than the pointless resolution spec
Typical Joseph. You're the one claiming one is better/outperforms the other based on "pointless specs", not I.
BTW I missed your explanation for why you claim that Apple's stated resolution is real, while the one for the Nexus10 is fake, "significantly overstated" to use your words.
Originally Posted by jragosta
No, it's not. You're comparing the Nexus' fake resolution to Apple's real resolution.Their resolution figures are significantly overstated because of the way they calculate them. Try putting the iPad 4 next to a Nexus 10 if you want to compare screens.Oh, wait. you can't - the Nexus 10 is vapor.
Yep. They give us the fastest tablet ever made with the best screen on a tablet and the most versatile port on a tablet…
And all people can do is whine.
Best screen part is challenged by what is on new Nexus 10. It has higher resolution/dpi than iPad, though we will have to wait for some good in-depth review to see about other aspects of the screen and CPU/GPU performance.
Regardless of that, I don't think that Apple really needed this mid-cycle refresh. I think a lot of people liked previous Apple release predictability - it is just that, when some people buy latest and greatest, they like to know how long will it be that (I'm not defending this attitude, just stating it). Re speed up, how many people will really notice it? At the end, it is nice to have all current devices with unified connector, but then - if iPad 3 (and any previous iPhone) are still being made and sold, you don't have unified connector anyway.
Stealing the thunder from competitors on their big release dates? Feels a bit un-Apple, or at least un-SJ-Apple. But then, almost everyone else is doing it (trying it, actually), so. Why not Apple, too.
I thought you were arguing that no one should comment on the product until it has been released?
Oh, you meant that no one should comment on the product unless they're shilling for Google. Got it.
In the end, though, this is typical of the kind of nonsense that the iHaters do. They argue over pointless specs. The iPad has a retina display. That means that your eyes can't discern individual pixels, so a finer resolution would be of zero value. In that case, color accuracy, viewing angle, brightness, etc will be far more relevant than the pointless resolution spec.
Retina display is a moniker, not a scientific term. Retina on iPad hasn't got the same DPI as retina on iPhone (or MBP). It is also below 300dpi which, I think, is claimed to be resolving limit of human eye.
Regardless, iPad's Retina display was - to my knowledge - made by Samsung (among other manufacturers). Why is it so hard to believe that Samsung can make the same or better display for their products..?
I thought you were arguing that no one should comment on the product until it has been released?
Oh, you meant that no one should comment on the product unless they're shilling for Google. Got it.
In the end, though, this is typical of the kind of nonsense that the iHaters do. They argue over pointless specs. The iPad has a retina display. That means that your eyes can't discern individual pixels, so a finer resolution would be of zero value. In that case, color accuracy, viewing angle, brightness, etc will be far more relevant than the pointless resolution spec.
You can comment that the iPad mini has an A5. You can comment on what type of screen the nexus has- like not being a pentile one. Because those are facts. Google "fact".
Saying one is faster, one has better viewing angles, etc, can't happen because you can't compare them yet. This concept I would think a middle schooler could grasp. Although that would make everything you've said so far incorrect, so of course you'll try to argue even further. Google "troll".
Typical Joseph. You're the one claiming one is better/outperforms the other based on "pointless specs", not I.
Typical response from you. Absolutely fabricated. I never claimed that the iPad outperforms anything. Someone else claimed that the Nexus 10 had higher resolution and I said that it doesn't. And, as you've admitted, since the product isn't on the market, no one can possibly say that it is better in any regard.
BTW I missed your explanation for why you claim that Apple's stated resolution is real, while the one for the Nexus10 is fake, "significantly overstated" to use your words.
The reason is that if the resolution of this Nexus tablet is what they claim, it will be the first time ever. On every previous Nexus, they've used Pentile displays which has a much lower real resolution than the stated resolution.
Since there's no published information that says otherwise, why wouldn't people assume that they'll do what they've always done.
Furthermore, history shows convincingly that Apple's tablets and phones have significantly outperformed competitors' products even when their specs are comparable. Android tablets tend to focus on specs and then provide crappy, washed out or oversaturated screens with terrible viewing angles. Apple's screens have always been rated as the best available.
Fastest CPU? On paper - maybe. In real life, the iPad blows the Nexus away.
Highest resolution? Not even close.
... Nothing else comes close in performance.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Typical response from you. Absolutely fabricated. I never claimed that the iPad outperforms anything. Someone else claimed that the Nexus 10 had higher resolution and I said that it doesn't. And, as you've admitted, since the product isn't on the market, no one can possibly say that it is better in any regard.
Retina display is a moniker, not a scientific term. Retina on iPad hasn't got the same DPI as retina on iPhone (or MBP). It is also below 300dpi which, I think, is claimed to be resolving limit of human eye.
Regardless, iPad's Retina display was - to my knowledge - made by Samsung (among other manufacturers). Why is it so hard to believe that Samsung can make the same or better display for their products..?
Samsung fabs the iPad display, which is designed by apple and protected by a bazillion apple patents, so no, Samsung cannot make it for anyone else.
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Originally Posted by igriv
"Most versatile port on a tablet"? In what way is it more versatile than the 30pin port?
Lighting is probably just a modified Thunderbolt. That means that unlike Dock Connector, it'll probably be able to connect via Thunderbolt and at Thunderbolt speeds (yes, yes, NAND r/w…), as well as all the other ports for which it already has accessories.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Lighting is probably just a modified Thunderbolt. That means that unlike Dock Connector, it'll probably be able to connect via Thunderbolt and at Thunderbolt speeds (yes, yes, NAND r/w…), as well as all the other ports for which it already has accessories.
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You are an optimist…
Now I know I'm doing something wrong.
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
I don't understand your logic. It doesn't matter if a tablet has a better screen, is faster and is more open when there are very few apps available and all of the exciting app development is happening on a different platform. Google can sell a transparent tablet made of diamonds for only $399 but it won't sell because you can't enjoy any good apps on that platform, or the rest of Apple's superior ecosystem. With Apple, you aren't just buying the hardware - you are also buying a robust ecosystem.
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I am guessing that the vast majority of people out there use their tablets to (a) browse the web (b) read ebooks (c) play games (d) watch movies (not necessarily in that order). Very good apps for all of the above are available on Android. For all of the above, better screen, faster, and cheaper is better. I have no idea if Nexus is indeed better in any of these categories (well, it is cheaper for a similarly configured device), but if yes, Apple should be worried, no matter how robust its ecosystem is.
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Now I know I'm doing something wrong.
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Happens to the best of us
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Jeesh...
Arguing over which tablet has the fastest processor and best display, and making believe it's factual, when neither are in users hands yet and one (the Nexus10) not even available for detailed review for another few days. Someone's not sharing their time machine with the rest of us.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Already have the iPad to judge the display…
But not the Nexus 10- that's Gator's point.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
The Mini is in people's hands. Read the reviews.
The specs of the Nexus 10 are available - and they don't come close to the claims made by the troll I was responding to.
We're not talking about the Mini- we're talking about the iPad 4. But it's typical for you to just change arguments and topics and make up stuff to- key word- try to be right... which you clearly aren't.
Gator isn't claiming one is better or the other until he can actually see products that no one has been able to compare yet. You're just as much of a troll as the Android guy is- just opposite ends of the spectrum- you have no data and no experience, and yet you speak as if you're an authority.
For the company when Steve Jobs was making the rules sure. But this is Tim Cook's Apple and if he wants to release the iPad in the Fall or even a baby step every six months or so, they will. What was 'characteristic, doesn't apply anymore
Except if it's a pentile display... and then you need to count subpixels ...if So then the effective resolution is less than the apparent resolution...
a pentile display has approximately 2 1/2 pixels per pixel because the red subpixel is shared with two pixels Thus 5 subpixels in total per 2 pixels. (blue-green-red-blue-green or is it green-blue-red-green-blue for 2 pixels)
Thus is the color resolution is lower or. Possibly blurry... might be moot point at this Resolution... but It does mean it is not a true 2560 screen resolution.
Furthermore Apple had a real problem getting 2048 pixels on their screen which equates to three times the number of sub pixels which means it's approximately 6144 sub pixels across... so Long story short the effective resolution of the Nexus 10 looks higher but it's the same
So Samsung by going to a Pentel display gets to play a numbers game and makes to screen resolution superior when in fact they gimped sorry they reduced the number of subpixels in order to increase the resolution...
so samsung has increased the number of subpixels by 4.167 percent...
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Originally Posted by haar
Except if it's a pentile display... and then you need to count subpixels ...if So then the effective resolution is less than the apparent resolution...
a pentile display has approximately 2 1/2 pixels per pixel because the red subpixel is shared with two pixels Thus 5 subpixels in total per 2 pixels. (blue-green-red-blue-green or is it green-blue-red-green-blue for 2 pixels)
Thus is the color resolution is lower or. Possibly blurry... might be moot point at this Resolution... but It does mean it is not a true 2560 screen resolution.
Furthermore Apple had a real problem getting 2048 pixels on their screen which equates to three times the number of sub pixels which means it's approximately 6144 sub pixels across... so Long story short the effective resolution of the Nexus 10 looks higher but it's the same
So Samsung by going to a Pentel display gets to play a numbers game and makes to screen resolution superior when in fact they gimped sorry they reduced the number of subpixels in order to increase the resolution...
so samsung has increased the number of subpixels by 4.167 percent...
#next_pages_container { width: 5px; hight: 5px; position: absolute; top: -100px; left: -100px; z-index: 2147483647 !important; }This is a very informative post, but notice that the number of subpixels of the Nexus 10 is, indeed, greater than that of the iPad 3/4, so the claims that the the Nexus screen is higher res cannot be denied. Since none of us have seen the thing, we don't know how well all this actually works, of course.
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Originally Posted by haar
Except if it's a pentile display... and then you need to count subpixels ...if So then the effective resolution is less than the apparent resolution...
a pentile display has approximately 2 1/2 pixels per pixel because the red subpixel is shared with two pixels Thus 5 subpixels in total per 2 pixels. (blue-green-red-blue-green or is it green-blue-red-green-blue for 2 pixels)
Thus is the color resolution is lower or. Possibly blurry... might be moot point at this Resolution... but It does mean it is not a true 2560 screen resolution.
Furthermore Apple had a real problem getting 2048 pixels on their screen which equates to three times the number of sub pixels which means it's approximately 6144 sub pixels across... so Long story short the effective resolution of the Nexus 10 looks higher but it's the same
So Samsung by going to a Pentel display gets to play a numbers game and makes to screen resolution superior when in fact they gimped sorry they reduced the number of subpixels in order to increase the resolution...
so samsung has increased the number of subpixels by 4.167 percent...
Except it's not a Pentile screen on the Nexus10, so a moot point. It uses a 10.055 PLS (Plane to Line Switching) LCD at 2560x1600, which makes it truly 300ppi (plus a smidge)
http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
I thought you were arguing that no one should comment on the product until it has been released?
Oh, you meant that no one should comment on the product unless they're shilling for Google. Got it.
In the end, though, this is typical of the kind of nonsense that the iHaters do. They argue over pointless specs. The iPad has a retina display. That means that your eyes can't discern individual pixels, so a finer resolution would be of zero value. In that case, color accuracy, viewing angle, brightness, etc will be far more relevant than the pointless resolution spec.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
I thought you were arguing that no one should comment on the product until it has been released?
Oh, you meant that no one should comment on the product unless they're shilling for Google. Got it.
In the end, though, this is typical of the kind of nonsense that the iHaters do. They argue over pointless specs. The iPad has a retina display. That means that your eyes can't discern individual pixels, so a finer resolution would be of zero value. In that case, color accuracy, viewing angle, brightness, etc will be far more relevant than the pointless resolution spec
Typical Joseph. You're the one claiming one is better/outperforms the other based on "pointless specs", not I.
BTW I missed your explanation for why you claim that Apple's stated resolution is real, while the one for the Nexus10 is fake, "significantly overstated" to use your words.
Originally Posted by jragosta
No, it's not. You're comparing the Nexus' fake resolution to Apple's real resolution. Their resolution figures are significantly overstated because of the way they calculate them. Try putting the iPad 4 next to a Nexus 10 if you want to compare screens. Oh, wait. you can't - the Nexus 10 is vapor.
Best screen part is challenged by what is on new Nexus 10. It has higher resolution/dpi than iPad, though we will have to wait for some good in-depth review to see about other aspects of the screen and CPU/GPU performance.
Regardless of that, I don't think that Apple really needed this mid-cycle refresh. I think a lot of people liked previous Apple release predictability - it is just that, when some people buy latest and greatest, they like to know how long will it be that (I'm not defending this attitude, just stating it). Re speed up, how many people will really notice it? At the end, it is nice to have all current devices with unified connector, but then - if iPad 3 (and any previous iPhone) are still being made and sold, you don't have unified connector anyway.
Stealing the thunder from competitors on their big release dates? Feels a bit un-Apple, or at least un-SJ-Apple. But then, almost everyone else is doing it (trying it, actually), so. Why not Apple, too.
Retina display is a moniker, not a scientific term. Retina on iPad hasn't got the same DPI as retina on iPhone (or MBP). It is also below 300dpi which, I think, is claimed to be resolving limit of human eye.
Regardless, iPad's Retina display was - to my knowledge - made by Samsung (among other manufacturers). Why is it so hard to believe that Samsung can make the same or better display for their products..?
You can comment that the iPad mini has an A5. You can comment on what type of screen the nexus has- like not being a pentile one. Because those are facts. Google "fact".
Saying one is faster, one has better viewing angles, etc, can't happen because you can't compare them yet. This concept I would think a middle schooler could grasp. Although that would make everything you've said so far incorrect, so of course you'll try to argue even further. Google "troll".
Typical response from you. Absolutely fabricated. I never claimed that the iPad outperforms anything. Someone else claimed that the Nexus 10 had higher resolution and I said that it doesn't. And, as you've admitted, since the product isn't on the market, no one can possibly say that it is better in any regard.
The reason is that if the resolution of this Nexus tablet is what they claim, it will be the first time ever. On every previous Nexus, they've used Pentile displays which has a much lower real resolution than the stated resolution.
Since there's no published information that says otherwise, why wouldn't people assume that they'll do what they've always done.
Furthermore, history shows convincingly that Apple's tablets and phones have significantly outperformed competitors' products even when their specs are comparable. Android tablets tend to focus on specs and then provide crappy, washed out or oversaturated screens with terrible viewing angles. Apple's screens have always been rated as the best available.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
The trolls just don't stop.....
Fastest CPU? On paper - maybe. In real life, the iPad blows the Nexus away.
Highest resolution? Not even close.
... Nothing else comes close in performance.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Typical response from you. Absolutely fabricated. I never claimed that the iPad outperforms anything. Someone else claimed that the Nexus 10 had higher resolution and I said that it doesn't. And, as you've admitted, since the product isn't on the market, no one can possibly say that it is better in any regard.
'nuff said
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Originally Posted by jragosta
On every previous Nexus, they've used Pentile displays which has a much lower real resolution than the stated resolution.
Since there's no published information that says otherwise, why wouldn't people assume that they'll do what they've always done.
It been fairly widely reported by blogs like the Verge, Engadget and Wired that the display is a PLS-LCD display, not AMOLED.
http://www.theverge.com/products/nexus-10/6273
Samsung fabs the iPad display, which is designed by apple and protected by a bazillion apple patents, so no, Samsung cannot make it for anyone else.