So, if Apple is moving away from rich-texture designs and is opting for simple, then what's the point of a retina display, if the OS won't be taking full advantage of it?
You don't need overblown textures to enjoy the benefits of a hi-DPI display. Icons, wallpapers, buttons, text, and colour accuracy will still enjoy the benefits of Retina.
Scaling back on textures and glitz does not require rigorous testing, and I think that's all this rumor adds up to. New features and under the hood improvements are what need rigorous testing. These delays are more likely to be from rewriting iOS in assembly than from a few UI tweaks.
Cash907
And my only complaint with iOS is that last part you mentioned: It's stale. Not the UI, the OS itself and it's functionality. There is a lot that Android clearly wins at when it comes to innovation, and I would really like to see Apple try some new things and shake it up a bit. You know what I miss about the early days of the iPhone? That "wow" factor. When you pulled one out in public, people instantly cluttered around it because it looked like nothing else out there. The same goes for products like the original iPod, the iPad, heck even the iMac. A friend of mine who works for AT&T corporate has been field testing the new HTC One, and he gets the same reactions when using it in public that I used to with my iPhone. People are excited, ask questions, want to try using it. I don't think Apple has seen anything like that since the 4 was released, and that's sad.
Google is patenting a method to reduce that 'wow' factor when trying to save battery life, because a dead phone has no wow at all. But I think you have highlighted the fundamentally different approach Apple takes to phones: other companies make phones to be sold, whereas Apple makes phones to be used. HTC can make one that looks interesting, but can it demonstrate a richer user experience over the course of a two year contract? You'd better hope so, because it's likely never getting the next Android update and feature set.
jeffreytgilbert
I don't trust the team who put together launch pad and stacks and finder to build a better iOS. Sorry if that breaks your fan club rules. Not a fan.
A fine pre-emptive defensive, but it's all personal preference, and flaming torches are typically discouraged here. I don't trust the team who built IE8, Vista, and Surface to build a phone OS, but that's my personal preference, forced onto no one.
macapptraining
A universal UI needs to be implemented between iOS and OS X. Hopefully sooner than later. This will surely benefit new Apple customers with ease of use and familiarity between the iOS devices and Macs.
No thanks. I have no desire to revisit the "Windows everywhere" ethos that brought us Windows Mobile, with its stylus-driven start menu and pulldown menus. Ditto for Windows 8 and its Launchpad/WP8 layer.
Ireland
gwmac
I am cautiously optimistic...
I expect 7 to be the biggest change to iOS since they added the app store.
That's your cautiously optimistic?
Makes sense to me. They are two different types of statement. "Here's what I expect, and this is how I feel about it."
Only costly to tech bloggers whose job depends on having something new and flashy to write about every week. That's why Apple doesn't seem to get a fair shake in the media: they take time to make real products, instead of going the droid route of a hundred phone models per year with slightly tweaked and mostly impractical features.
But the Apple-centric press is always hungry too, so we get mostly rumors and reactions to the general tech press; Cult of Mac has almost gone fully to sponsored accessory reviews, with the occasional quality Elgan piece.
Compare it to JCP's recently failed experiment to give you reasonable, rarely-fluctuating prices every day, breaking from the clothing retail world of sales, coupons, doorbusters, and messy piles of clearance. Turns out the general populace prefers the mess, and paying $35 for Levis (originally 65 marked down to 40 this week with a $5 off coupon today only!) versus JCP having them for $30 every day as is. Because they're saving.
I just hope after all the 'flattening' and 'simplification' Apple keep those cute cog wheels that turn during an iOS update. I love them
On a more serious note, I wonder why Apple doesn't offer two choices for the GUI in general settings ... a) Simple or b) Skeuomorphic and let the user decide.
So, if Apple is moving away from rich-texture designs and is opting for simple, then what's the point of a retina display, if the OS won't be taking full advantage of it?
I almost fell out of my chair when I read that. You believe rich-textures are "taking full advantage of a retina display"? Typography, clean lines (even on an angle) does not look noticeably better on a retina display to you? Just play Letter Press - it's a perfect example of how a clean design really shines on a high resolution display. Don't forget about digital photos, detailed technical drawings, etc.
Did a google news search and am already seeing headlines about massive changes coming to iOS 7.
speaking of google, how come there seems to be no discussion about their news search being f'd up. If you do a search by date vs relevance it doesn't list things in order. I could see something from 10 hours ago right next to something from 10 minutes ago. Been that way for over a week now.
Which doesn't help with getting that one baby (iOS 7) out the door sooner.
Eventually, down the road, it will. Everything will come out much sooner because the team won't be stretched so thin and projects will get completed on time.
Of course, if nobody has a clue what they are doing then nothing will get done.
speaking of google, how come there seems to be no discussion about their news search being f'd up. If you do a search by date vs relevance it doesn't list things in order. I could see something from 10 hours ago right next to something from 10 minutes ago. Been that way for over a week now.
I think they have a disclaimer that news is sorted by when it's "added to Google's index."
But my Google results have generally been getting worse lately, since it tries to incorporate more 'close enough' results, synonyms of my search terms. Last week I searched for stuff related to TPAC (the Topeka Performing Arts Center) and most of the results were about Tupac Shakur.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
I am cautiously optimistic...
I expect 7 to be the biggest change to iOS since they added the app store.
That's your cautiously optimistic?
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
So, if Apple is moving away from rich-texture designs and is opting for simple, then what's the point of a retina display, if the OS won't be taking full advantage of it?
You don't need overblown textures to enjoy the benefits of a hi-DPI display. Icons, wallpapers, buttons, text, and colour accuracy will still enjoy the benefits of Retina.
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Originally Posted by khit
iOS is very good OS. I hope Apple will add widgets in the next OS.
IMO, if you want widgets use Android.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
So let's see if I can predict the FUD that's going to come from the usual trolls:
- Apple is incompetent since they are behind schedule.
- Apple will have bugs because they didn't take their time releasing it.
- Apple is arbitrarily changing the UI and confusing users.
- Apple's UI is stale and needs to be changed.
There will be 100 other self-contradictory complaints, but I'm to tired to write them all down.
Why waste your energy and our time with comments like this? There will always be trolls, just try to ignore them.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
WWDC will come around and people will be disappointed because the change isn't as massive as the media hype was.
What media hype?
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Originally Posted by smalM
Doesn't Apple have enough money to hire some more good engineers?
9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.
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Originally Posted by smalM
Doesn't Apple have enough money to hire some more good engineers?
No! That would affect their margins, and that would be a tragedy!
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Originally Posted by kevt
Delay in iOS 7 may prove costly.
Costly in the short run?
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Originally Posted by jeffreytgilbert
I don't trust the team who put together launch pad and stacks and finder to build a better iOS. Sorry if that breaks your fan club rules. Not a fan.
Your comment is factually inaccurate.
Scaling back on textures and glitz does not require rigorous testing, and I think that's all this rumor adds up to. New features and under the hood improvements are what need rigorous testing. These delays are more likely to be from rewriting iOS in assembly than from a few UI tweaks.
Cash907
And my only complaint with iOS is that last part you mentioned: It's stale. Not the UI, the OS itself and it's functionality. There is a lot that Android clearly wins at when it comes to innovation, and I would really like to see Apple try some new things and shake it up a bit. You know what I miss about the early days of the iPhone? That "wow" factor. When you pulled one out in public, people instantly cluttered around it because it looked like nothing else out there. The same goes for products like the original iPod, the iPad, heck even the iMac. A friend of mine who works for AT&T corporate has been field testing the new HTC One, and he gets the same reactions when using it in public that I used to with my iPhone. People are excited, ask questions, want to try using it. I don't think Apple has seen anything like that since the 4 was released, and that's sad.
Google is patenting a method to reduce that 'wow' factor when trying to save battery life, because a dead phone has no wow at all. But I think you have highlighted the fundamentally different approach Apple takes to phones: other companies make phones to be sold, whereas Apple makes phones to be used. HTC can make one that looks interesting, but can it demonstrate a richer user experience over the course of a two year contract? You'd better hope so, because it's likely never getting the next Android update and feature set.
jeffreytgilbert
I don't trust the team who put together launch pad and stacks and finder to build a better iOS. Sorry if that breaks your fan club rules. Not a fan.
A fine pre-emptive defensive, but it's all personal preference, and flaming torches are typically discouraged here. I don't trust the team who built IE8, Vista, and Surface to build a phone OS, but that's my personal preference, forced onto no one.
macapptraining
A universal UI needs to be implemented between iOS and OS X. Hopefully sooner than later. This will surely benefit new Apple customers with ease of use and familiarity between the iOS devices and Macs.
No thanks. I have no desire to revisit the "Windows everywhere" ethos that brought us Windows Mobile, with its stylus-driven start menu and pulldown menus. Ditto for Windows 8 and its Launchpad/WP8 layer.
Ireland
gwmac
I am cautiously optimistic...
I expect 7 to be the biggest change to iOS since they added the app store.
That's your cautiously optimistic?
Makes sense to me. They are two different types of statement. "Here's what I expect, and this is how I feel about it."
Ireland
kevt
Delay in iOS 7 may prove costly.
Costly in the short run?
Only costly to tech bloggers whose job depends on having something new and flashy to write about every week. That's why Apple doesn't seem to get a fair shake in the media: they take time to make real products, instead of going the droid route of a hundred phone models per year with slightly tweaked and mostly impractical features.
But the Apple-centric press is always hungry too, so we get mostly rumors and reactions to the general tech press; Cult of Mac has almost gone fully to sponsored accessory reviews, with the occasional quality Elgan piece.
Compare it to JCP's recently failed experiment to give you reasonable, rarely-fluctuating prices every day, breaking from the clothing retail world of sales, coupons, doorbusters, and messy piles of clearance. Turns out the general populace prefers the mess, and paying $35 for Levis (originally 65 marked down to 40 this week with a $5 off coupon today only!) versus JCP having them for $30 every day as is. Because they're saving.
On a more serious note, I wonder why Apple doesn't offer two choices for the GUI in general settings ... a) Simple or b) Skeuomorphic and let the user decide.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.
Yes, but 9 women can make 9 babies in 9 months.
Which doesn't help with getting that one baby (iOS 7) out the door sooner.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
So, if Apple is moving away from rich-texture designs and is opting for simple, then what's the point of a retina display, if the OS won't be taking full advantage of it?
I almost fell out of my chair when I read that. You believe rich-textures are "taking full advantage of a retina display"? Typography, clean lines (even on an angle) does not look noticeably better on a retina display to you? Just play Letter Press - it's a perfect example of how a clean design really shines on a high resolution display. Don't forget about digital photos, detailed technical drawings, etc.
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Originally Posted by igriv
What media hype?
Did a google news search and am already seeing headlines about massive changes coming to iOS 7.
speaking of google, how come there seems to be no discussion about their news search being f'd up. If you do a search by date vs relevance it doesn't list things in order. I could see something from 10 hours ago right next to something from 10 minutes ago. Been that way for over a week now.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Which doesn't help with getting that one baby (iOS 7) out the door sooner.
Eventually, down the road, it will. Everything will come out much sooner because the team won't be stretched so thin and projects will get completed on time.
Of course, if nobody has a clue what they are doing then nothing will get done.
Rogifan
speaking of google, how come there seems to be no discussion about their news search being f'd up. If you do a search by date vs relevance it doesn't list things in order. I could see something from 10 hours ago right next to something from 10 minutes ago. Been that way for over a week now.
I think they have a disclaimer that news is sorted by when it's "added to Google's index."
But my Google results have generally been getting worse lately, since it tries to incorporate more 'close enough' results, synonyms of my search terms. Last week I searched for stuff related to TPAC (the Topeka Performing Arts Center) and most of the results were about Tupac Shakur.