That said, putting iOS and OS X together into one event does lean toward even more unification between the two OSes. This is a good thing as iOS grew from the foundations of OS X and OS X has never been better by adopting elements from iOS. It also helps that iPhone and iPad users can move to a Mac and instantly understand many aspects of it with little to no training even if they've only ever used Windows. This continuing linking between the two OSes makes me think Lynx might be an ideal name for OS X 10.9.
We can only hope, for there is a lot more unification that would be worthwhile to have. Personally I'd like:
Unified Clock/Alarm across all OS X and iOS devices.
Unified Do Not Disturb across... (plus allow me to set DND for specific events in my Calendar in addition to what they already have).
Unified Book/PDF reader across... (and synced through iCloud).
Unified iWork/iLife across... (i.e. include feature parity to the iOS apps so the syncing works properly).
Unified Safari across... (i.e. add in extensions to mobile Safari so that I can finally have the identical experience on either platform).
I don't know if any of these will happen, and they probably would require that I upgrade my iOS devices, but here's to hoping.
PS: while we are on unification topic, isn't it about time they unify our dam Apple IDs? iTunes just turned 10 and it still doesn't just work...
We can only hope, for there is a lot more unification that would be worthwhile to have. Personally I'd like:
Unified Clock/Alarm across all OS X and iOS devices.
Unified Do Not Disturb across... (plus allow me to set DND for specific events in my Calendar in addition to what they already have).
Unified Book/PDF reader across... (and synced through iCloud).
Unified iWork/iLife across... (i.e. include feature parity to the iOS apps so the syncing works properly).
Unified Safari across... (i.e. add in extensions to mobile Safari so that I can finally have the identical experience on either platform).
I don't know if any of these will happen, and they probably would require that I upgrade my iOS devices, but here's to hoping.
I agree. I suspect some (or most) of those will happen (at least over time.) Apple is banking on making their products a "sticky ecosystem" and that kind of unification will help a lot.
Nobody really cares about the operating system names except geeks anyway. The OS X brand will continue to work for them. Confusing geeks with too many names and versions is pretty much impossible.
Exactly. I don't even remember what version of the OS my Mac runs. It is cool for a couple of months of showing off to friends using the cool name, then it's back to getting pissed because TextEdit takes so long to launch because a dialog pops with the iCloud option when I just want to open a local file.
If it's called OS X 10.9, I predict the codename Cougar.
If they have the balls to call your tablet the iPad, then you'd would easily call their cat release Cougar. And given that nobody would expect them to use that name that's even more a reason to believe they will use it.
But there might be a way to get it to run anyway. ?
I read somewhere during the pre-release stages of ML that folks got it to run (or were trying to) on "unsupported" Macs.
Never mind. Answered my own question. There are workarounds, and some of them aren't that difficult. I imagine, worst case, the workarounds will also be there for the next version.
Unified Clock/Alarm across all OS X and iOS devices.
Unified Do Not Disturb across... (plus allow me to set DND for specific events in my Calendar in addition to what they already have).
Unified Book/PDF reader across... (and synced through iCloud).
Unified iWork/iLife across... (i.e. include feature parity to the iOS apps so the syncing works properly).
Unified Safari across... (i.e. add in extensions to mobile Safari so that I can finally have the identical experience on either platform).
I don't know if any of these will happen, and they probably would require that I upgrade my iOS devices, but here's to hoping.
PS: while we are on unification topic, isn't it about time they unify our dam Apple IDs? iTunes just turned 10 and it still doesn't just work...
I second the unified account, and enabling Game Center by default. A first-party OS X ebook reader is also overdue.
Clock alarms would be difficult since OS X standby mode is different from iOS standby. Maybe they could build on Power Nap, but that doesn't apply to desktop Macs.
Do Not Disturb is already in the OS X notification center; it should be easy to give iOS the same swipe-revealed toggle.
Mobile Safari extensions could be interesting, but some of them can be accomplished with bookmarklets (which sync across Safaris via iCloud), and the Youtube/Amazon/IMDB clean layout extensions would not be necessary. If I could just edit the iOS hosts file, that would prevent Facebook from tracking me and building a shadow profile.
I don't even remember what version of the OS my Mac runs. It is cool for a couple of months of showing off to friends using the cool name, then it's back to getting pissed because TextEdit takes so long to launch because a dialog pops with the iCloud option when I just want to open a local file.
Skip the dialog by opening text files directly, via Spotlight, Finder, or right-click the Textedit dock icon and look in the Recents menu. Textedit also doesn't bring up the dialog if you previously Quit with at least one document open.
Ireland
If it's called OS X 10.9, I predict the codename Cougar.
If they have the balls to call your tablet the iPad, then you'd would easily call their cat release Cougar. And given that nobody would expect them to use that name that's even more a reason to believe they will use it.
True. People even got over "Nintendo Wii."
MS bloggers and Joy of Tech will snark on the low hanging fruit as usual, and the world moves on.
Do Not Disturb is already in the OS X notification center; it should be easy to give iOS the same swipe-revealed toggle.
It is? How do you access it? I can't find anything in the system preferences or any where else for that matter not to alert or notify me for preset time periods. Rather I'd have to turn off all my apps in notification center during that preset time, and turn every back on after, which is quite a long and annoying process. There should be a DND preference pane in the system preferences.
How would you pronounce xOS? The X in OS X is pronounced 'ten' not 'ex'
The trouble is that while tech weenies of all stripes and the core Mac faithful have pounded this fact home for years … most people still won't look at an "X" and see a "10."
Regardless of the fact that yes it's "supposed" to represent a "10," the brand is still "OS X" and all the packaging for years and years has featured the "X" as the main design element.
I'm incredibly ancient myself and I remember Roman Numerals being an afterthought in grade school that the majority of the class didn't get and didn't like. Anyone younger than 30 or so probably didn't get Roman Numerals in school at all, let alone all the kids and adults from other countries.
There's what it's supposed to be, and there's what most people see it as. You can't fight perception. Just like most people think of Apple computers as "Macs" even though they should really be "Apples."
To answer your question ... just like most folks already say "Oh-Ess-Ex" and "Eye-Oh-Ess," xOS would be pronounced "Ex-Oh-Ess"
It was just a suggestion anyway. My main point was that I believe that an inescapable re-branding of some sort is on the horizon.
Exactly. I don't even remember what version of the OS my Mac runs. It is cool for a couple of months of showing off to friends using the cool name, then it's back to getting pissed because TextEdit takes so long to launch because a dialog pops with the iCloud option when I just want to open a local file.
Get text mate 2 alpha. Free open source and awesome.
This point should have been featured in Tim Cook's remarks yesterday.
The fact that Apple had its second-best March quarter in history was overshadowed by his revealing that we have about 6 months to wait for new product news.
If you watched after-hours trading, the financial results drove the price up around $25,and then the "no news until fall" comment wiped out the gain and started the bloodbath. The cynic in me would say that when you are announcing the biggest stock buyback in history, it doesn't hurt to get the shares at a very low price.
Yes, I noticed that, too... As the question and [non] answer period progressed, the dropping share price seemed to reflect lack of specific answers.
I know that the earnings call is not the forum for product announcements -- but in some cases, "no comment" is the best answer. You must avoid setting expectations too high -- and setting them too low!
I am getting tired of Time Cook saying things like:
"Apple's product pipeline is "chock full" of "incredible stuff."
and
“Our teams are hard at work on some amazing new hardware, software, and services..."
As to the dearth of new Apple products until the "fall", I posted the following to another forum.
Real Artists Ship!
That said, I understand that there may be "technology" issues with new hardware (yield, availability, etc).
However there are things Apple could be announcing and delivering, RSN.
iWork OS X hasn't had a major upgrade since '09 -- it should be upgraded to include the features needed to do what 80% of MS Office users need... Then the iOS equivalents should be brought into feature parity with the OS X versions. Thus, Apple could pre-empt Office on iOS and negate the [only] appeal of MS Surface tablets.
iLife OS X hasn't had a major upgrade since '11 -- it should be upgraded too, then the iOS equivalents brought into feature parity.
The Aperture and Logic pro apps are due for upgrade.
Apple Maps should be fleshed out with better POI data, satellite maps, and 3D Flyover.
iCloud needs a DropBox-like file access/sharing feature.
Some of the os-related software upgrades could be announced & released at WWDC...
But, the others have been just "twisting in the wind"...
I am quite surprised that Tim Cook (unlike Steve Jobs) doesn't always have some new "announcements" in his back pocket -- to release to keep the market buzzing about Apple!
"Amazing stuff" in the "pipeline" -- just doesn't cut it!
<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;">They could streamline naming and branding into something like this:</span>
iOS mobile
iOS desktop
How about keeping iOS as it is and renaming Mac OS X as the iOS Development Platform?¡
Seriously though, why rename them at all. I quite like OS X as a brand but if they have to rename it I'd like to see xOS and iOS. I just like the way those look.
Seriously though, why rename them at all. I quite like OS X as a brand but if they have to rename it I'd like to see xOS and iOS. I just like the way those look.
How would you pronounce xOS? The X in OS X is pronounced 'ten' not 'ex'
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We can only hope, for there is a lot more unification that would be worthwhile to have. Personally I'd like:
Unified Clock/Alarm across all OS X and iOS devices.
Unified Do Not Disturb across... (plus allow me to set DND for specific events in my Calendar in addition to what they already have).
Unified Book/PDF reader across... (and synced through iCloud).
Unified iWork/iLife across... (i.e. include feature parity to the iOS apps so the syncing works properly).
Unified Safari across... (i.e. add in extensions to mobile Safari so that I can finally have the identical experience on either platform).
I don't know if any of these will happen, and they probably would require that I upgrade my iOS devices, but here's to hoping.
PS: while we are on unification topic, isn't it about time they unify our dam Apple IDs? iTunes just turned 10 and it still doesn't just work...
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Originally Posted by Chandra69
I am soooo excited and frightened. Also, worried
Hehe, lol.
I wonder whether the next version of OS X will run on an early 2008 Macbook Pro. Because ML runs beautifully on it.
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
I wonder whether the next version of OS X will run on an early 2008 Macbook Pro. Because ML runs beautifully on it.
I get the feeling that they'll leave us in the lurch.
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Originally Posted by johndoe98
We can only hope, for there is a lot more unification that would be worthwhile to have. Personally I'd like:
Unified Clock/Alarm across all OS X and iOS devices.
Unified Do Not Disturb across... (plus allow me to set DND for specific events in my Calendar in addition to what they already have).
Unified Book/PDF reader across... (and synced through iCloud).
Unified iWork/iLife across... (i.e. include feature parity to the iOS apps so the syncing works properly).
Unified Safari across... (i.e. add in extensions to mobile Safari so that I can finally have the identical experience on either platform).
I don't know if any of these will happen, and they probably would require that I upgrade my iOS devices, but here's to hoping.
I agree. I suspect some (or most) of those will happen (at least over time.) Apple is banking on making their products a "sticky ecosystem" and that kind of unification will help a lot.
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Originally Posted by gregord
Nobody really cares about the operating system names except geeks anyway. The OS X brand will continue to work for them. Confusing geeks with too many names and versions is pretty much impossible.
Exactly. I don't even remember what version of the OS my Mac runs. It is cool for a couple of months of showing off to friends using the cool name, then it's back to getting pissed because TextEdit takes so long to launch because a dialog pops with the iCloud option when I just want to open a local file.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I get the feeling that they'll leave us in the lurch.
But there might be a way to get it to run anyway. ?
I read somewhere during the pre-release stages of ML that folks got it to run (or were trying to) on "unsupported" Macs.
If it's called OS X 10.9, I predict the codename Cougar.
If they have the balls to call your tablet the iPad, then you'd would easily call their cat release Cougar. And given that nobody would expect them to use that name that's even more a reason to believe they will use it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
But there might be a way to get it to run anyway. ?
I read somewhere during the pre-release stages of ML that folks got it to run (or were trying to) on "unsupported" Macs.
Never mind. Answered my own question. There are workarounds, and some of them aren't that difficult. I imagine, worst case, the workarounds will also be there for the next version.
johndoe98
Personally I'd like:
Unified Clock/Alarm across all OS X and iOS devices.
Unified Do Not Disturb across... (plus allow me to set DND for specific events in my Calendar in addition to what they already have).
Unified Book/PDF reader across... (and synced through iCloud).
Unified iWork/iLife across... (i.e. include feature parity to the iOS apps so the syncing works properly).
Unified Safari across... (i.e. add in extensions to mobile Safari so that I can finally have the identical experience on either platform).
I don't know if any of these will happen, and they probably would require that I upgrade my iOS devices, but here's to hoping.
PS: while we are on unification topic, isn't it about time they unify our dam Apple IDs? iTunes just turned 10 and it still doesn't just work...
I second the unified account, and enabling Game Center by default. A first-party OS X ebook reader is also overdue.
Clock alarms would be difficult since OS X standby mode is different from iOS standby. Maybe they could build on Power Nap, but that doesn't apply to desktop Macs.
Do Not Disturb is already in the OS X notification center; it should be easy to give iOS the same swipe-revealed toggle.
Mobile Safari extensions could be interesting, but some of them can be accomplished with bookmarklets (which sync across Safaris via iCloud), and the Youtube/Amazon/IMDB clean layout extensions would not be necessary. If I could just edit the iOS hosts file, that would prevent Facebook from tracking me and building a shadow profile.
pt123
I don't even remember what version of the OS my Mac runs. It is cool for a couple of months of showing off to friends using the cool name, then it's back to getting pissed because TextEdit takes so long to launch because a dialog pops with the iCloud option when I just want to open a local file.
Skip the dialog by opening text files directly, via Spotlight, Finder, or right-click the Textedit dock icon and look in the Recents menu. Textedit also doesn't bring up the dialog if you previously Quit with at least one document open.
Ireland
If it's called OS X 10.9, I predict the codename Cougar.
If they have the balls to call your tablet the iPad, then you'd would easily call their cat release Cougar. And given that nobody would expect them to use that name that's even more a reason to believe they will use it.
True. People even got over "Nintendo Wii."
MS bloggers and Joy of Tech will snark on the low hanging fruit as usual, and the world moves on.
It is? How do you access it? I can't find anything in the system preferences or any where else for that matter not to alert or notify me for preset time periods. Rather I'd have to turn off all my apps in notification center during that preset time, and turn every back on after, which is quite a long and annoying process. There should be a DND preference pane in the system preferences.
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Originally Posted by Sol77
OSX Kitteh. Never been used, and will lower expectations to market norm.
Don't you mean market nom?
Quote:
Originally Posted by gregord
How would you pronounce xOS? The X in OS X is pronounced 'ten' not 'ex'
The trouble is that while tech weenies of all stripes and the core Mac faithful have pounded this fact home for years … most people still won't look at an "X" and see a "10."
Regardless of the fact that yes it's "supposed" to represent a "10," the brand is still "OS X" and all the packaging for years and years has featured the "X" as the main design element.
I'm incredibly ancient myself and I remember Roman Numerals being an afterthought in grade school that the majority of the class didn't get and didn't like. Anyone younger than 30 or so probably didn't get Roman Numerals in school at all, let alone all the kids and adults from other countries.
There's what it's supposed to be, and there's what most people see it as. You can't fight perception. Just like most people think of Apple computers as "Macs" even though they should really be "Apples."
To answer your question ... just like most folks already say "Oh-Ess-Ex" and "Eye-Oh-Ess," xOS would be pronounced "Ex-Oh-Ess"
It was just a suggestion anyway. My main point was that I believe that an inescapable re-branding of some sort is on the horizon.
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Originally Posted by pt123
Exactly. I don't even remember what version of the OS my Mac runs. It is cool for a couple of months of showing off to friends using the cool name, then it's back to getting pissed because TextEdit takes so long to launch because a dialog pops with the iCloud option when I just want to open a local file.
Get text mate 2 alpha. Free open source and awesome.
Originally Posted by gregord
Get text mate 2 alpha. Free open source and awesome.
What does this have to do with anything?
Yes, I noticed that, too... As the question and [non] answer period progressed, the dropping share price seemed to reflect lack of specific answers.
I know that the earnings call is not the forum for product announcements -- but in some cases, "no comment" is the best answer. You must avoid setting expectations too high -- and setting them too low!
I am getting tired of Time Cook saying things like:
and
As to the dearth of new Apple products until the "fall", I posted the following to another forum.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
What does this have to do with anything?
Sorry it was in response to pt123, forgot to quote initially. He complained about TextEdit being slow to open
Pronounce it as the X in xylophone... Xochimilco...
Personally, I like the name Apple OS... or just OS (after all, what other OSes of note are there?)