- free downloading of files without control from app scares a hell out of me, I wouldn't want it for security and hygienic reasons (I have to clean up disk drive from my Mac every now and then, for example...) and I really see not case, where this could be useful to me also on mobile device...concept is different, phone and tablets are not squeezed notebooks..
Would someone be willing to explain the essential difference between a tablet and a notebook? I see this distinction made a lot but have never really understood its justification. With the except of form factor, the distinction seems like an artificial barrier rooted in culture rather than technical merit. To me, smartphones and tablets are highly portable computers with touch interfaces. They run general purpose operating systems, albeit optimized for touch and low-memory/low-power environments. Why, then, are concepts familiar from Macs (such as downloading files to a common storage area) to be feared on tablets? Do touch interfaces make downloading files more dangerous? Why is it more secure if you associate a file with a program immediately rather than later?
Lots of BB users switched to android lately because BB just didnt keep up, but with BB10 they are back and with the q10 we have a modern smartphone with a high quality physical portrate orientation keyboard so I think within a year we will see a sales split of abut 35% iphone, 40% android, 22% BB and 3% win phone
I doubt I'm the only person who misses the real keyboard from BB, I could type so fast, without looking at the kb, would be nice to get tht back...
Very astute argument Dan. It absolutely staggers me that none of the big IT companies have had the sense to do what Steve Jobs started at Apple with the iMac and Mac OSX, and that the shareholders of those companies have not started demanding the heads of their overpaid and under-performing CEOs. Sadly, it will be many years before Apple has a serious competitor because it takes many years to do what Steve Jobs did at Apple. And by then Apple will be many years in advance of where they are now. People seem to love nit-picking at Apple products, but the real genius of Apple is the design process, not just of individual products, but of the entire 'ecosystem'. That is very, very hard to copy, let alone beat.
Would someone be willing to explain the essential difference between a tablet and a notebook? I see this distinction made a lot but have never really understood its justification. With the except of form factor, the distinction seems like an artificial barrier rooted in culture rather than technical merit. To me, smartphones and tablets are highly portable computers with touch interfaces. They run general purpose operating systems, albeit optimized for touch and low-memory/low-power environments. Why, then, are concepts familiar from Macs (such as downloading files to a common storage area) to be feared on tablets? Do touch interfaces make downloading files more dangerous? Why is it more secure if you associate a file with a program immediately rather than later?
It's not about physical differences, it's all about different concept. it took me quite a long to realize what Apple actually wanted to achieve: zero admin computer. What is BS on the "normal" computer and unachievable goal, was skillfully achieved on new device on new form factor? Why so late? Why on mobile device? Because mobile device is all about resources, easy of use and efficiency. That's why touch screen and zero maintenance approach with everything being available on the tip of your finger including auto installation apps and complete ecosystem.
These devices need to be ultra efficient for people to use it on the way, where they don't sit comfortably and have enormous amount of time to resolve usual "desktop computer" problems. They should offer no-maintenance user experience to be available to everybody. That is how kids and old people can use it, that it how so many computer poorly literate people today can be enormously productive and contribute in the world.
As soon as you bring "open interface" you opened the door of "classic computing". Google, Samsung and other Android players understand that as well, of course, but they just don't care about users. They have reinvent the WIndows wheel on mobile devices, bringing same old crap to mobile world, perhaps even far worse that Windows ever...
They don't care about users. Google just want's monopoly on search and services and hardware manufacturers just need something to load on device, since they have no software, no ecosystem, no nothing...
Apple fails sometimes to address obvious needs of the market and they can make bad decision, of course. But they are far beyond anybody in understanding customer and caring really for their experience. This is how they get loyal customer base. If they make large screen iPhone which is cheaper than S4, 90% of S4 goes to sewer in one year and users switch to iPhone. How much of that can be see vice a versa?
I might be a little narrow-sighted but $705 - $385 pretty much indicates who has control over the smartphone industry and it isn't Apple.
Stock value has nothing to do with market share, profit share etc.
Especially when you look at the history of those drops and the rumors, expectations etc put out by the so called experts and analysts. Their BS, not the facts of Apple's performance, are what dropped the price
You think you know anything? You think Jobs kept Ive's fingers from iOS all these years just because he was stupid? And Forstall had been doing a lousy job all these years? Ive could just burst in and build something better than the old team had been doing 8 years? Get your brain checked? If iOS 7 is release as the current form, 5 years later Apple will be today's Blackberry. Mark my words.
You don't know anything either. About what was happening at Apple. About Ive and his knowledge or skills. About what will happen in five years.
So if up you are going to imply that someone needs to shut it over their lack of knowledge, you need to do the same for being just as guilty
This editorial is pure bunk. The author started out with a false premise and just ran it the entire time. Google is not looking to replicate what Apple is doing. Google is primarily a search company that's makes most of it revenue through advertising dollars. Their goal is to put Google services on as many products as possible so it makes perfect sense for them to offer Android free - the Android OEMs are making Google’s services available to the general public.
Second, the Motorola purchase was for patents and nothing more. I'm sure they want Motorola to be profitable because that's better than it being a drag on the company but patent acquisition was the main goal.
Lastly, I would put Android 2.3 almost on par with iOS 6. I have an LG revolution that I purchased about 2 and a half years ago and I haven't seen anything iOS can do that it can't do. Even with the fragmentation most Android phones are as capable of doing anything iOS can do.
Steve obviously felt hardware and software needed to be kept separate. I doubt it had to do with anything specific about Ive. If someone else had been running ID they wouldn't have had control of software design under Steve either.
And he might have been wrong. In fact given that Apple has long been about 'the total system' it is likely that he was.
But he was blinded by something and never tried the switch. Which is why the fresh eyes of Cook are a very good thing. He was able to say 'you know if we are selling it as a total system we should create it that way and have our teams working together' and to see that someone like Forstall, who allegedly only played nice with Steve, just wasn't going to fit in this new idea.
But we did. Before WWDC13 Gruber came out and said iOS 7 would be "polarising." At that point, before it was publicly available, who could have been polarised but the people at Apple?
He was referring to the public reaction not anything internal.
Last year Google tried to upstage Apple by saying they were doing things that Apple was rumored to be coming out with, like the 3D flyover. They finally came out many months later. This year because Apple sealed the leaks, Google had nothing really new to show but Google Glasses. How is that useful?
But they have started work in their smart watch and game console, before Apple can get theirs out
I have been with an iPhone for nearly 2 years first on a 4S and now on a 5. Before that I was with Android since the iPhone wasn't offered on my carrier and I absolutely detested AT&T since that was my previous carrier and the coverage sucked for me. I literally couldn't make a call inside my home and had to go out in the yard with AT&T. Here is my take. iOS 6 is a very stable and functional OS that is far and away better than Android 2.3 AKA gingerbread. That was the last OS I used before I switched to an iPhone. I have had a chance to play around on some friend's phones like the HTC DNA and Samsung Galaxy S4 and it is clear to me at least that Jellybean has come a very long way and made some big improvements over 2.3. Now that also has a lot to do with a massive hardware leap since then as well but it is a nice OS. I found it very fast and responsive. I liked the changes to the UI and it is very stable. I think it has matured to what I would call a fished OS where 2.3 always felt like a beta or unfinished. I would even go so far as to say that Android 4.2.2 is as good as iOS 6 though both still have some advantages or disadvantages over the other one according to personal taste. But it can compete with iOS 6. That is why I am excited about iOS 7 because I believe Apple listened to a lot of the feedback and really added many missing parts and also gave it a much needed and more modern facelift.
I think it is a huge mistake to label people that choose Android over an iPhone as idiots, or poor, or misinformed, or so many other negative terms. No doubt many do fall into those categories but the same applies to iPhone buyers as well. I have many bright friends with very high incomes that prefer Android for a number of reasons. None of them hate Apple by the way and many have an iPad and Mac as well. The biggest reason I hear by far is the screen size. They simply like a bigger display because it makes everything easier to read and view. Some simply like the better integration of Google services. Others still like the customization and flexibility especially installing custom ROM's which allows endless possibilities. But one thing I can tell you is that I have never met a person outside this forum who has a love or hate relationship with Apple or Google or Samsung or any other company. They view these phones as tools with no more attachment than you would have for your TV or lawn mower. I really am mystified by the level of passion that these topics elicit amongst some posters over smart phones. Buy what works best for you and stop trying to convince other people they are wrong or are idiots because they made a different choice. That is why these articles seem so silly to me because the try and paint these companies as evil when they are simply trying to make money and good products. Now you might think their products suck but this really is not a battle of good vs. evil and to 99% of the public that don't ever visit tech forums they would find this thinking and passion over phones humorous.
Of course Apple can survive. The world expects them to come out with grand slams every few years. Well, guess what - that may not happen again for a long time to come.
It is the Microsoft syndrome. Microsoft makes most of its money off of Windows and Office. There isn't another product line that makes the same significant cash flow. The Xbox comes close. That is the main reason their stock has been stagnant for so long. They've had too many failures to create the next multi-billion dollars leg to their company. Zune and the Kin are just two of the memorable flops.
Apple released the iDevices but what's next? Nobody has a really good an answer. An iWatch? Is that going to revolutionize the watch industry? Who knows?
Apple is a mature company with mature product lines. An iWatch could simply be a logical extension of the iPods, but not a major category. Investors need to stop looking for grand slams. The Apple TV is slowly but surely turning into a mature product. With more and more channels of content for the device it is only a matter of time before it goes mainstream.
Apple has already shown its intensions for the auto industry yet the market didn't seem to react to the news. Apple's future strategy is pretty clear then: home theatre and autos while evolving their other ecosystems and tying them altogether in the iCloud.
Yes, Apple will survive and thrive.
Any consumer product category that is ripe for innovation, has the potential for a large high-end consumer audience and cannot be easily entered by competitors is a possibility for Apple now. Apply their style and electronics to some segment that is in disarray or is begging for creativity and style and what do you come up with?
People who buy ipads for large school systems and to a lesser extent companies are either fanboys or ignorant suckers, possibly both...
Or they aren't and its just your nasty biased opinion at play here.
How are the students in LA public schools supposed to write term papers on their iPads? with pages.app and no file system? good luck with that...
You don't need a file system to write a paper. Although iPads to have one, just not one that can be seen by the users because it doesn't need to be.
And that lack of a user viewable etc file system is something I'm sure the decision makers are aware of and saw it for the non issue that it is. After all, they would be more concerned about the quality of the writing in the content of the paper and not whether there's a Finder for you to move the file around.
I get so tired of the Wall Street, talking heads, always up in Apple's sh--. Apple will always make unique, very well made products. So funny, if Apple isn't tidal waving the category the press and Wall Street go crazy. I love Appleinsider, so don't jump on that money whore bandwagon guys.
Please, man. AI is a for-profit operation and there's nothing wrong with that. Not being journalistically professional has been my main beef with them. They get quoted and referred to in the press quite a lot and yet they still push needlessly shoddy and shaky stories, barely repurposed content from other sites (an Apple story appears on The Verge or the New York Times, or worse yet DigiTimes, and 5 minutes later a reworded story will pop up here. Sometimes the reinterpretation will change the author's intent, ruining the story).
People who buy ipads for large school systems and to a lesser extent companies are either fanboys or ignorant suckers, possibly both...How are the students in LA public schools supposed to write term papers on their iPads? with pages.app and no file system? good luck with that...
You don't need access to a file system if you only need to work with one app at a time, such as Pages. Thus the iPad should be perfectly adequate for writing a paper, at least in terms of software (maybe you'll want a keyboard attachment). Where the lack of a user-accessible file system might be less convenient is when you want to organize disparate documents by project instead of by app. For example if you were putting together a job application, you might have a Pages doc for your resume, some pdfs of your publications, etc, and it would be useful to store all those files together instead of in their respective apps. One remedy on iOS is to install an app like dropbox which simulates a file manager, and manually sync documents between dropbox and their associated apps. But if you're mainly writing papers and reading textbooks, the iPad should be just fine.
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Originally Posted by poksi
- free downloading of files without control from app scares a hell out of me, I wouldn't want it for security and hygienic reasons (I have to clean up disk drive from my Mac every now and then, for example...) and I really see not case, where this could be useful to me also on mobile device...concept is different, phone and tablets are not squeezed notebooks..
Would someone be willing to explain the essential difference between a tablet and a notebook? I see this distinction made a lot but have never really understood its justification. With the except of form factor, the distinction seems like an artificial barrier rooted in culture rather than technical merit. To me, smartphones and tablets are highly portable computers with touch interfaces. They run general purpose operating systems, albeit optimized for touch and low-memory/low-power environments. Why, then, are concepts familiar from Macs (such as downloading files to a common storage area) to be feared on tablets? Do touch interfaces make downloading files more dangerous? Why is it more secure if you associate a file with a program immediately rather than later?
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Originally Posted by a_greer
Lots of BB users switched to android lately because BB just didnt keep up, but with BB10 they are back and with the q10 we have a modern smartphone with a high quality physical portrate orientation keyboard so I think within a year we will see a sales split of abut 35% iphone, 40% android, 22% BB and 3% win phone
I doubt I'm the only person who misses the real keyboard from BB, I could type so fast, without looking at the kb, would be nice to get tht back...
You're even funnier than the other guys.
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Originally Posted by pauldfullerton
Very astute argument Dan. It absolutely staggers me that none of the big IT companies have had the sense to do what Steve Jobs started at Apple with the iMac and Mac OSX, and that the shareholders of those companies have not started demanding the heads of their overpaid and under-performing CEOs. Sadly, it will be many years before Apple has a serious competitor because it takes many years to do what Steve Jobs did at Apple. And by then Apple will be many years in advance of where they are now. People seem to love nit-picking at Apple products, but the real genius of Apple is the design process, not just of individual products, but of the entire 'ecosystem'. That is very, very hard to copy, let alone beat.
Bingo!
Hard to fit in.
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Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf
Would someone be willing to explain the essential difference between a tablet and a notebook? I see this distinction made a lot but have never really understood its justification. With the except of form factor, the distinction seems like an artificial barrier rooted in culture rather than technical merit. To me, smartphones and tablets are highly portable computers with touch interfaces. They run general purpose operating systems, albeit optimized for touch and low-memory/low-power environments. Why, then, are concepts familiar from Macs (such as downloading files to a common storage area) to be feared on tablets? Do touch interfaces make downloading files more dangerous? Why is it more secure if you associate a file with a program immediately rather than later?
It's not about physical differences, it's all about different concept. it took me quite a long to realize what Apple actually wanted to achieve: zero admin computer. What is BS on the "normal" computer and unachievable goal, was skillfully achieved on new device on new form factor? Why so late? Why on mobile device? Because mobile device is all about resources, easy of use and efficiency. That's why touch screen and zero maintenance approach with everything being available on the tip of your finger including auto installation apps and complete ecosystem.
These devices need to be ultra efficient for people to use it on the way, where they don't sit comfortably and have enormous amount of time to resolve usual "desktop computer" problems. They should offer no-maintenance user experience to be available to everybody. That is how kids and old people can use it, that it how so many computer poorly literate people today can be enormously productive and contribute in the world.
As soon as you bring "open interface" you opened the door of "classic computing". Google, Samsung and other Android players understand that as well, of course, but they just don't care about users. They have reinvent the WIndows wheel on mobile devices, bringing same old crap to mobile world, perhaps even far worse that Windows ever...
They don't care about users. Google just want's monopoly on search and services and hardware manufacturers just need something to load on device, since they have no software, no ecosystem, no nothing...
Apple fails sometimes to address obvious needs of the market and they can make bad decision, of course. But they are far beyond anybody in understanding customer and caring really for their experience. This is how they get loyal customer base. If they make large screen iPhone which is cheaper than S4, 90% of S4 goes to sewer in one year and users switch to iPhone. How much of that can be see vice a versa?
Stock value has nothing to do with market share, profit share etc.
Especially when you look at the history of those drops and the rumors, expectations etc put out by the so called experts and analysts. Their BS, not the facts of Apple's performance, are what dropped the price
You haven't been around long enough to know that he's not being 'tongue in cheek'.
He's being nonsense spewing hit whore and does it every weekend with AIs blessing cause they have little to no news to bring in ad money.
You don't know anything either. About what was happening at Apple. About Ive and his knowledge or skills. About what will happen in five years.
So if up you are going to imply that someone needs to shut it over their lack of knowledge, you need to do the same for being just as guilty
This editorial is pure bunk. The author started out with a false premise and just ran it the entire time. Google is not looking to replicate what Apple is doing. Google is primarily a search company that's makes most of it revenue through advertising dollars. Their goal is to put Google services on as many products as possible so it makes perfect sense for them to offer Android free - the Android OEMs are making Google’s services available to the general public.
Second, the Motorola purchase was for patents and nothing more. I'm sure they want Motorola to be profitable because that's better than it being a drag on the company but patent acquisition was the main goal.
Lastly, I would put Android 2.3 almost on par with iOS 6. I have an LG revolution that I purchased about 2 and a half years ago and I haven't seen anything iOS can do that it can't do. Even with the fragmentation most Android phones are as capable of doing anything iOS can do.
And he might have been wrong. In fact given that Apple has long been about 'the total system' it is likely that he was.
But he was blinded by something and never tried the switch. Which is why the fresh eyes of Cook are a very good thing. He was able to say 'you know if we are selling it as a total system we should create it that way and have our teams working together' and to see that someone like Forstall, who allegedly only played nice with Steve, just wasn't going to fit in this new idea.
They're sure not acting like it's worth anything more than that!
"Too bad" the patents haven't worked out at all, either.
He was referring to the public reaction not anything internal.
But they have started work in their smart watch and game console, before Apple can get theirs out
I have been with an iPhone for nearly 2 years first on a 4S and now on a 5. Before that I was with Android since the iPhone wasn't offered on my carrier and I absolutely detested AT&T since that was my previous carrier and the coverage sucked for me. I literally couldn't make a call inside my home and had to go out in the yard with AT&T. Here is my take. iOS 6 is a very stable and functional OS that is far and away better than Android 2.3 AKA gingerbread. That was the last OS I used before I switched to an iPhone. I have had a chance to play around on some friend's phones like the HTC DNA and Samsung Galaxy S4 and it is clear to me at least that Jellybean has come a very long way and made some big improvements over 2.3. Now that also has a lot to do with a massive hardware leap since then as well but it is a nice OS. I found it very fast and responsive. I liked the changes to the UI and it is very stable. I think it has matured to what I would call a fished OS where 2.3 always felt like a beta or unfinished. I would even go so far as to say that Android 4.2.2 is as good as iOS 6 though both still have some advantages or disadvantages over the other one according to personal taste. But it can compete with iOS 6. That is why I am excited about iOS 7 because I believe Apple listened to a lot of the feedback and really added many missing parts and also gave it a much needed and more modern facelift.
I think it is a huge mistake to label people that choose Android over an iPhone as idiots, or poor, or misinformed, or so many other negative terms. No doubt many do fall into those categories but the same applies to iPhone buyers as well. I have many bright friends with very high incomes that prefer Android for a number of reasons. None of them hate Apple by the way and many have an iPad and Mac as well. The biggest reason I hear by far is the screen size. They simply like a bigger display because it makes everything easier to read and view. Some simply like the better integration of Google services. Others still like the customization and flexibility especially installing custom ROM's which allows endless possibilities. But one thing I can tell you is that I have never met a person outside this forum who has a love or hate relationship with Apple or Google or Samsung or any other company. They view these phones as tools with no more attachment than you would have for your TV or lawn mower. I really am mystified by the level of passion that these topics elicit amongst some posters over smart phones. Buy what works best for you and stop trying to convince other people they are wrong or are idiots because they made a different choice. That is why these articles seem so silly to me because the try and paint these companies as evil when they are simply trying to make money and good products. Now you might think their products suck but this really is not a battle of good vs. evil and to 99% of the public that don't ever visit tech forums they would find this thinking and passion over phones humorous.
Any consumer product category that is ripe for innovation, has the potential for a large high-end consumer audience and cannot be easily entered by competitors is a possibility for Apple now. Apply their style and electronics to some segment that is in disarray or is begging for creativity and style and what do you come up with?
Or they aren't and its just your nasty biased opinion at play here.
You don't need a file system to write a paper. Although iPads to have one, just not one that can be seen by the users because it doesn't need to be.
And that lack of a user viewable etc file system is something I'm sure the decision makers are aware of and saw it for the non issue that it is. After all, they would be more concerned about the quality of the writing in the content of the paper and not whether there's a Finder for you to move the file around.
Ludicrous nonsense. Go find another website to spew your crap.
Have you ever written a term paper? You need no such thing. Because you don't have the first clue what you're on about.
Please, man. AI is a for-profit operation and there's nothing wrong with that. Not being journalistically professional has been my main beef with them. They get quoted and referred to in the press quite a lot and yet they still push needlessly shoddy and shaky stories, barely repurposed content from other sites (an Apple story appears on The Verge or the New York Times, or worse yet DigiTimes, and 5 minutes later a reworded story will pop up here. Sometimes the reinterpretation will change the author's intent, ruining the story).
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Originally Posted by charlituna
He was referring to the public reaction not anything internal.
Forstall wasn't the only one at Apple who shared Steve's love of skuemorphism.
Personally, I like where iOS 7 is moving, but it isn't hard to imagine that Ive had to throw his mandate around a bit to get it going.
People who buy ipads for large school systems and to a lesser extent companies are either fanboys or ignorant suckers, possibly both...How are the students in LA public schools supposed to write term papers on their iPads? with pages.app and no file system? good luck with that...
You don't need access to a file system if you only need to work with one app at a time, such as Pages. Thus the iPad should be perfectly adequate for writing a paper, at least in terms of software (maybe you'll want a keyboard attachment). Where the lack of a user-accessible file system might be less convenient is when you want to organize disparate documents by project instead of by app. For example if you were putting together a job application, you might have a Pages doc for your resume, some pdfs of your publications, etc, and it would be useful to store all those files together instead of in their respective apps. One remedy on iOS is to install an app like dropbox which simulates a file manager, and manually sync documents between dropbox and their associated apps. But if you're mainly writing papers and reading textbooks, the iPad should be just fine.