So you think people should buy a new iPhone and iPad every year?
I'll clarify the point he's making. He's saying that those who think they get to complain about a device not getting some of the capabilities of software released a year hence need to just buy new hardware every year.
Do you think it's kind of contradictory to make a device that's built to last but then turn around and stop supporting that very device a year or two later?
Personally I think that with each software update people should update their hardware as well; when you bought the hardware it came with software which was designed specifically for that device. Some people expect they can use their hardware for the years to come, to which I agree. But don't expect after installing a major software update that the hardware will simply 'continue to keep up'.
So you think people should buy a new iPhone and iPad every year? Do you think it's kind of contradictory to make a device that's built to last but then turn around and stop supporting that very device a year or two later?
The device will keep on working with the software it came with, apps that were designed for the software that came with the hardware. Sure, it's nice that we get software updates, but don't expect that will work for years to come, many new features require new hardware.
Why do you think there was an outcry when people updated their XP box to Vista? Yep, the hardware couldn't keep up.
Do you think it's a double standard to say that Apple shouldn't have to support outdated hardware with the latest software but then fault Android for taking the same path?
Do you think it's a double standard to say that Apple shouldn't have to support outdated hardware with the latest software but then fault Android for taking the same path?
Short answer: devices running Android are outdated the moment you leave the store. Apple so far seems to have a yearly update cycle.
Also, Android software comes from a company aimed at getting rich from selling advertisement space. The hardware comes from different manufacturers, so the end user is left between, well, between a Google and a hard place.
Do you think it's a double standard to say that Apple shouldn't have to support outdated hardware with the latest software but then fault Android for taking the same path?
Every idevice Apple sells currently has the current iOS 6. You cant say the same for every Android device with respect to Android 4.x.
It most certainly is the case with the 4th gen iPod Touch I bought in December. It's one generation behind and it won't be getting iOS 7.
You keep saying things. Maybe know what the words mean first? It's still supported by Apple (support), and it falls within the arbitrary framework you outlined to begin with.
It came out in 2010. How many more years beyond 2010 is 2013? I'm sure you can manage that.
Every idevice Apple sells currently has the current iOS 6. You cant say the same for every Android device with respect to Android 4.x.
That's true but functionally there are different variants of iOS 6 depending on the device. The situation would be analogous to shipping every android device with Android 4.2 but disabling key features like Google Now on a broad swath of devices; those devices would be running Android 4.2 but really in name only.
iOS devices are much better than Android devices at keeping up with the latest OS version. But Google does compensate somewhat by decoupling features from the core OS and backporting them to older Android releases. For instance, all devices running Android 2.2+ recently got find-my-phone. And essential programs like Chrome and Maps are updated through Google Play instead of tied to OS releases.
The device will keep on working with the software it came with, apps that were designed for the software that came with the hardware. Sure, it's nice that we get software updates, but don't expect that will work for years to come, many new features require new hardware.
Why do you think there was an outcry when people updated their XP box to Vista? Yep, the hardware couldn't keep up.
Actually they outcry came from those that updated to the god awful Vista. It's not actually the OS that concerns me it's the apps. We've already know that 50% of developers will require iOS 7, correct me if I'm wrong but that would mean that anyone with a older device will not be able to update those apps and if for whatever reason they need to wipe their device they will not be able to reinstall those apps.
You keep saying things. Maybe know what the words mean first? It's still supported by Apple (support), and it falls within the arbitrary framework you outlined to begin with.
It came out in 2010. How many more years beyond 2010 is 2013? I'm sure you can manage that.
You're correct I should've been more clear, I meant supported with updates. Regardless of when it came out it's still only one generation behind, and furthermore why did it take 3 years for a product refresh? Why no incremental speed bumps like the S versions of iPhones?
Actually they outcry came from those that updated to the god awful Vista. It's not actually the OS that concerns me it's the apps. We've already know that 50% of developers will require iOS 7, correct me if I'm wrong but that would mean that anyone with a older device will not be able to update those apps and if for whatever reason they need to wipe their device they will not be able to reinstall those apps.
As I understood it, the outcry came from people complaining their PC became very slow. And that's what happens when you update te software but not the hardware. Look, we're all very happy to get software updates, new features, better security and all that.
One part is the new features. Sometimes they implement things that only run on the latest hardware. Now we can complain about getting a major software update, for free, but missing out on a few features that were designed for the latest hardware, but they make it clear what version runs on which hardware.
We should be grateful that the software upgrade usually is free, or a small fee. I believe MS only charges like a 100 bucks for a Windows upgrade. Seems reasonable, you'll get a whole 'new PC'. And no, I'm not being sarcastic here.
The slow upgrade on the iPod touch? I really don't know.
As I understood it, the outcry came from people complaining their PC became very slow. And that's what happens when you update te software but not the hardware. Look, we're all very happy to get software updates, new features, better security and all that.
Not only just slow but in trying to mimic Apple's security they over did it and the permission requests came up for just about anything.
Sheesh the state of Google play is funny.
You ll find apps on there that isn't compatible with your handset even if it's the latest and greatest flagship HTC phone, coz it's made to run on Samsung phones. So eventually you'll end up seeing 25 different passbook apps from every other vendor.
You only see the apps that are compatible with your device so that won't happen.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
So you think people should buy a new iPhone and iPad every year?
I'll clarify the point he's making. He's saying that those who think they get to complain about a device not getting some of the capabilities of software released a year hence need to just buy new hardware every year.
Do you think it's kind of contradictory to make a device that's built to last but then turn around and stop supporting that very device a year or two later?
It would be, were that even the case.
The device will keep on working with the software it came with, apps that were designed for the software that came with the hardware. Sure, it's nice that we get software updates, but don't expect that will work for years to come, many new features require new hardware.
Why do you think there was an outcry when people updated their XP box to Vista? Yep, the hardware couldn't keep up.
Do you think it's a double standard to say that Apple shouldn't have to support outdated hardware with the latest software but then fault Android for taking the same path?
Short answer: devices running Android are outdated the moment you leave the store. Apple so far seems to have a yearly update cycle.
Every idevice Apple sells currently has the current iOS 6. You cant say the same for every Android device with respect to Android 4.x.
It most certainly is the case with the 4th gen iPod Touch I bought in December. It's one generation behind and it won't be getting iOS 7.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
It most certainly is the case with the 4th gen iPod Touch I bought in December. It's one generation behind and it won't be getting iOS 7.
You keep saying things. Maybe know what the words mean first? It's still supported by Apple (support), and it falls within the arbitrary framework you outlined to begin with.
It came out in 2010. How many more years beyond 2010 is 2013? I'm sure you can manage that.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
Every idevice Apple sells currently has the current iOS 6. You cant say the same for every Android device with respect to Android 4.x.
That's true but functionally there are different variants of iOS 6 depending on the device. The situation would be analogous to shipping every android device with Android 4.2 but disabling key features like Google Now on a broad swath of devices; those devices would be running Android 4.2 but really in name only.
iOS devices are much better than Android devices at keeping up with the latest OS version. But Google does compensate somewhat by decoupling features from the core OS and backporting them to older Android releases. For instance, all devices running Android 2.2+ recently got find-my-phone. And essential programs like Chrome and Maps are updated through Google Play instead of tied to OS releases.
Actually they outcry came from those that updated to the god awful Vista. It's not actually the OS that concerns me it's the apps. We've already know that 50% of developers will require iOS 7, correct me if I'm wrong but that would mean that anyone with a older device will not be able to update those apps and if for whatever reason they need to wipe their device they will not be able to reinstall those apps.
You're correct I should've been more clear, I meant supported with updates. Regardless of when it came out it's still only one generation behind, and furthermore why did it take 3 years for a product refresh? Why no incremental speed bumps like the S versions of iPhones?
As I understood it, the outcry came from people complaining their PC became very slow. And that's what happens when you update te software but not the hardware. Look, we're all very happy to get software updates, new features, better security and all that.
One part is the new features. Sometimes they implement things that only run on the latest hardware. Now we can complain about getting a major software update, for free, but missing out on a few features that were designed for the latest hardware, but they make it clear what version runs on which hardware.
We should be grateful that the software upgrade usually is free, or a small fee. I believe MS only charges like a 100 bucks for a Windows upgrade. Seems reasonable, you'll get a whole 'new PC'. And no, I'm not being sarcastic here.
The slow upgrade on the iPod touch? I really don't know.
Not only just slow but in trying to mimic Apple's security they over did it and the permission requests came up for just about anything.
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