Sorry, I'm a bit confused as to why there is a screenshot of the stock data for GOOG, highlighting the after-hours drop in this article?
Because the article they were siting had two smaller articles, one on Google's and Microsoft Q2 reports, but they were part of the same article. Q2 reports is why.
They just referenced the article where it discusses how much Microsoft has been making, or losing on Surface tablets.
1. Inappropriate form factor? People complained about Windows 8 precisely because the metro ui was designed specifically for touch. I would argue that battery life and weight issues aside, the surface pro is the ideal device for windows 8. It has an excellent touchscreen for metro apps and the horsepower for desktop software like photoshop. Not to mention that wacom pen works well too.
2. What do you mean by "forced" to switch? If you are using a metro app no one will force you to use a keyboard. The touchscreen works in desktop mode too.
Great, go buy one and then post comments somewhere that people actually care what a WIndows 8 user thinks.
It didn't turn the segment on its head. It brought nothing interesting or special to the table. MS didn't go all out and do a January 2010. They entered a market that had an ocean of Android tablets at all price points at one end, and the superior user experience and deep ecosystem of the iPad on the other end.
Who cares if it runs some "touch-friendly" frankenstein-like version of office. Consumers don't care to saddle their mobile devices with the same lousy software they are *compelled to use* at work. They want fun, productive and intimate mobile apps through which they can express their digital lifestyles. It's all about comfortable, stylish productivity. If the experience isn't intimate and comfy, it isn't worth having. Yeah, gimme Office, fine. But not the same crap I'm forced to use at the office!
The whole point of tablets are to *redefine* computing and transform our notion of the traditional "office suite" into something more personal and designed for tablets.
Microsoft wants to take a 10 year old idea and shoehorn it onto a tablet. Consumers aren't looking for excuses to run Win/Office on tablets. They're looking for a new and fresh take on traditional ideas - ideas that in their current form in Microsoft's "me too" iPad attempt are best left to stagnate with traditional PCs.
They didn't 'make' $853 M. That was the revenue figure. When you say how much a company 'made', you should be talking about profits.
The better descriptive term would be "took in," as in, "Microsoft took in almost a million gullible Windoze users by foisting off Surface tablets on them."
Unfortunately more Windows users had stopped being suckers and found how easy it is to use iPads while Mictosoft was taking its time to retool. Ballmer totally over-emphasized the power of Windows in their customer's minds. Even I, the ever-Apple fan, thought Microsoft would have more clout with the Surface than this.
Microsoft permanently slashes price on struggling Surface Pro to $799
Let's see, at $799 it doesn't include the shitty touchpad, or the needed memory to run applications. Add those in and you're at $999. For $799 a person could have a real laptop MBA, with 12 hours of life between charges AND have something with high resale value.
1. Windows works fine with a touch screen, the addition of a Wacom stylus / active digitizer can also allow you do use advanced / complex programs with ease.
3. Surface Pro is running full Windows 8 on x86 hardware, it can run all legacy applications. Steam, Photoshop, AutoCAD, etc. it will run it.
4. Apps? Again it's a fully capable Windows computer, it has more software than OS X or iOS.
5. Media? It's a fully capable PC, use anyone's services you want.
The failure of the device was the low battery and large body. For that reason it failed as a tablet or a laptop.
Haswell Y-series is a fix for higher end tablets (from Microsoft or any other hardware company).
Wrong! It failed because of its price. What about $499 sweet spot to start with? I bet that many will buy that hybrid laptop.
For now 128GB Surface Pro at $899 + $129 Surface Type Cover still cost more than 128GB Macbook Air at $999. It appears that MS doesn't know what they are offering to consumers. My prediction is: No Sale. MS need to slash at least another $300 to make some sales or it's doomed.
Wrong! It failed because of its price. What about $499 sweet spot to start with? I bet that many will buy that hybrid laptop.
For now 128GB Surface Pro at $899 + $129 Surface Type Cover still cost more than 128GB Macbook Air at $999. It appears that MS doesn't know what they are offering to consumers. My prediction is: No Sale. MS need to slash at least another $300 to make some sales or it's doomed.
$499 is Intel Atom Clover Trail price range.
The Surface Pro uses the exact same Intel Core i5 3317U as the 2012 MBA.
Ubuntu does work on the Surface Pro with a lot of work and not perfectly. The RT is locked up. I've searched for examples of successful Android or Ubuntu installations and can't find any.
hard truth is, no body except Windows IT guys and software developers - plus some MS loving geeks - is going to buy the Pro AT ANY PRICE.
the world simply does not need any desktop OS running on a tablet, period. major software company and custom iOS/Android apps will be developed that can do everything that might do, and do it simpler, focused on the specific task at hand, and do it cheaper.
the notion "it can run all Windows applications" is frivolous. they're all just too complicated for this format.
Jobs realized this. Gates/Ballmer did not. end of story. DOA.
I still don't see why anyone would buy a Surface Pro so close to the release of Intel's Haswell Y-series (fanless). Y-series tablets are expected to have a much thinner chassis and a 7~9 hour battery life. Essentially what the Surface Pro should have been originally.
What I don't get is Microsoft's continued insistence that a tablet is simply another PC in a different form factor, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Why do you think Apple took the trouble to re-design their tablet OS from the ground up. The popularity of the ipad, contrasted with the pitiful sales of windows tablet PCs, should have told you everything.
IMO, it doesn't matter how much the hardware improves, when it still uses the same problematic software inside.
Thanks for that link, which lead me to this story of a guy wanting a 128GB Surface Pro, out of stock, gets a call after a week, goes to the Store in the mall but the Store isn't there anymore...
I really don't get the surface pro. It's a tablet that wants to be a laptop, but as a laptop, it has an awful keyboard/trackpad and can't actually be used on your lap. You can get a actual windows 8 netbook for less than half the price. And as a tablet, I really don't see the appeal of running apps designed for the desktop without a mouse/keyboard. Touch UI has different requirements than mouse/keyboard UI. Attempting to merge the two together can't possibly work as well in either direction as custom designing for each.
If my laptop was a bit older I'd buy one for the complete opposite of your point. Its a tablet thats also a laptop and unlike every laptop I've owned you can actually use it on your lap. The flaw with every laptop is you cant use the mouse when its on your lap. The trackpad is always far to close to your stomach resulting i this backwards bending hand position that just doesnt work. Admittedly newer laptops eliminate this issue with a touchscreen, but the surface also has the benefit of the start menu apps giving a propper tablet experience for when you just want to browse the web and read emails etc.
If my laptop was a bit older I'd buy one for the complete opposite of your point. Its a tablet thats also a laptop and unlike every laptop I've owned you can actually use it on your lap. The flaw with every laptop is you cant use the mouse when its on your lap. The trackpad is always far to close to your stomach resulting i this backwards bending hand position that just doesnt work. Admittedly newer laptops eliminate this issue with a touchscreen, but the surface also has the benefit of the start menu apps giving a propper tablet experience for when you just want to browse the web and read emails etc.
That doesn't make any sense. I use my MacBook Pro in my lap all the time. I used to use an HP laptop in my lap all the time. And the touchscreen on a laptop makes it worse.
Please explain to me how using the Surface Pro as a laptop (with its flimsy keyboard that's not connected all the time and which requires a kickstand to hold the screen up) is easier than using a conventional laptop where the screen and keyboard are attached and the screen stays in place without a kickstand.
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Originally Posted by OverByThere
Sorry, I'm a bit confused as to why there is a screenshot of the stock data for GOOG, highlighting the after-hours drop in this article?
Because the article they were siting had two smaller articles, one on Google's and Microsoft Q2 reports, but they were part of the same article. Q2 reports is why.
They just referenced the article where it discusses how much Microsoft has been making, or losing on Surface tablets.
http://www.geek.com/microsoft/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-surface-pro-1539262/
This doesn't work?
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Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf
1. Inappropriate form factor? People complained about Windows 8 precisely because the metro ui was designed specifically for touch. I would argue that battery life and weight issues aside, the surface pro is the ideal device for windows 8. It has an excellent touchscreen for metro apps and the horsepower for desktop software like photoshop. Not to mention that wacom pen works well too.
2. What do you mean by "forced" to switch? If you are using a metro app no one will force you to use a keyboard. The touchscreen works in desktop mode too.
Great, go buy one and then post comments somewhere that people actually care what a WIndows 8 user thinks.
Know why it isn't selling?
It didn't turn the segment on its head. It brought nothing interesting or special to the table. MS didn't go all out and do a January 2010. They entered a market that had an ocean of Android tablets at all price points at one end, and the superior user experience and deep ecosystem of the iPad on the other end.
Who cares if it runs some "touch-friendly" frankenstein-like version of office. Consumers don't care to saddle their mobile devices with the same lousy software they are *compelled to use* at work. They want fun, productive and intimate mobile apps through which they can express their digital lifestyles. It's all about comfortable, stylish productivity. If the experience isn't intimate and comfy, it isn't worth having. Yeah, gimme Office, fine. But not the same crap I'm forced to use at the office!
The whole point of tablets are to *redefine* computing and transform our notion of the traditional "office suite" into something more personal and designed for tablets.
Microsoft wants to take a 10 year old idea and shoehorn it onto a tablet. Consumers aren't looking for excuses to run Win/Office on tablets. They're looking for a new and fresh take on traditional ideas - ideas that in their current form in Microsoft's "me too" iPad attempt are best left to stagnate with traditional PCs.
Just add it to the pile of failures
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Q. Why does the Surface have the kickstand?
A. Because it needs all the support it can get.
To be fair, that makes it the most stable MS product to date...
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Originally Posted by jragosta
No, No, No, No!!!
They didn't 'make' $853 M. That was the revenue figure. When you say how much a company 'made', you should be talking about profits.
The better descriptive term would be "took in," as in, "Microsoft took in almost a million gullible Windoze users by foisting off Surface tablets on them."
Unfortunately more Windows users had stopped being suckers and found how easy it is to use iPads while Mictosoft was taking its time to retool. Ballmer totally over-emphasized the power of Windows in their customer's minds. Even I, the ever-Apple fan, thought Microsoft would have more clout with the Surface than this.
Mictosoft was taking its time to retool.
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You could say they are still retooling, they're choosing a new CEO this year.
Microsoft permanently slashes price on struggling Surface Pro to $799
Let's see, at $799 it doesn't include the shitty touchpad, or the needed memory to run applications. Add those in and you're at $999. For $799 a person could have a real laptop MBA, with 12 hours of life between charges AND have something with high resale value.
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Originally Posted by LAKings33
1. Windows works fine with a touch screen, the addition of a Wacom stylus / active digitizer can also allow you do use advanced / complex programs with ease.
2. Refer to #1.
3. Surface Pro is running full Windows 8 on x86 hardware, it can run all legacy applications. Steam, Photoshop, AutoCAD, etc. it will run it.
4. Apps? Again it's a fully capable Windows computer, it has more software than OS X or iOS.
5. Media? It's a fully capable PC, use anyone's services you want.
The failure of the device was the low battery and large body. For that reason it failed as a tablet or a laptop.
Haswell Y-series is a fix for higher end tablets (from Microsoft or any other hardware company).
Wrong! It failed because of its price. What about $499 sweet spot to start with? I bet that many will buy that hybrid laptop.
For now 128GB Surface Pro at $899 + $129 Surface Type Cover still cost more than 128GB Macbook Air at $999. It appears that MS doesn't know what they are offering to consumers. My prediction is: No Sale. MS need to slash at least another $300 to make some sales or it's doomed.
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Originally Posted by fallenjt
Wrong! It failed because of its price. What about $499 sweet spot to start with? I bet that many will buy that hybrid laptop.
For now 128GB Surface Pro at $899 + $129 Surface Type Cover still cost more than 128GB Macbook Air at $999. It appears that MS doesn't know what they are offering to consumers. My prediction is: No Sale. MS need to slash at least another $300 to make some sales or it's doomed.
$499 is Intel Atom Clover Trail price range.
The Surface Pro uses the exact same Intel Core i5 3317U as the 2012 MBA.
and the new CEO will be a bigger tool than the one being replaced?
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http://www.geek.com/microsoft/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-surface-pro-1539262/
This doesn't work?
Ubuntu does work on the Surface Pro with a lot of work and not perfectly. The RT is locked up. I've searched for examples of successful Android or Ubuntu installations and can't find any.
That's not true. They have some great candidates under consideration:
http://scoopertino.com/that-was-fast-microsoft-announces-ceo-short-list/
hard truth is, no body except Windows IT guys and software developers - plus some MS loving geeks - is going to buy the Pro AT ANY PRICE.
the world simply does not need any desktop OS running on a tablet, period. major software company and custom iOS/Android apps will be developed that can do everything that might do, and do it simpler, focused on the specific task at hand, and do it cheaper.
the notion "it can run all Windows applications" is frivolous. they're all just too complicated for this format.
Jobs realized this. Gates/Ballmer did not. end of story. DOA.
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Originally Posted by LAKings33
I still don't see why anyone would buy a Surface Pro so close to the release of Intel's Haswell Y-series (fanless). Y-series tablets are expected to have a much thinner chassis and a 7~9 hour battery life. Essentially what the Surface Pro should have been originally.
What I don't get is Microsoft's continued insistence that a tablet is simply another PC in a different form factor, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Why do you think Apple took the trouble to re-design their tablet OS from the ground up. The popularity of the ipad, contrasted with the pitiful sales of windows tablet PCs, should have told you everything.
IMO, it doesn't matter how much the hardware improves, when it still uses the same problematic software inside.
Thanks for that link, which lead me to this story of a guy wanting a 128GB Surface Pro, out of stock, gets a call after a week, goes to the Store in the mall but the Store isn't there anymore...
http://www.geek.com/microsoft/i-returned-my-surface-pro-1541420/
That doesn't make any sense. I use my MacBook Pro in my lap all the time. I used to use an HP laptop in my lap all the time. And the touchscreen on a laptop makes it worse.
Please explain to me how using the Surface Pro as a laptop (with its flimsy keyboard that's not connected all the time and which requires a kickstand to hold the screen up) is easier than using a conventional laptop where the screen and keyboard are attached and the screen stays in place without a kickstand.