One of my colleagues was showing off his new Nexus 5 to some of us yesterday, stating how with it's HD screen & 8 core processor it was much better than our iPhones!!
Specs do matter for some (which is probably why he is on his 3rd phone in 24 months and I am still happily using my iPhone 4S!)
Sigh, yes, except I really wanted the speed of LTE I'd still have my 4s: loved that phone. Great feel and design.
"For the second product after that we will offer even more optimized 64-bit based on our own optimization. So we are marching ahead with the 64-bit offering, and even though it's a little too early, I think we are at the leader group in terms of 64-bit offerings."
Really? Well, where are these so-called 64 bit chips and OS?
I hope people don't listen to this guy, it's obviously got a mental problem.
In the CPU tests for the Note III in which the iPhone 5S was also tested the Note III lost 4 of the 6 tests. And that's with a higher max clock of 2.3 ghz vs the 5S at 1.3ghz, it also has double the cores and double the RAM. Pathetic...
Also, in the GPU tests the 5S won 3 of the 7 tests they were both in. In many of those losses in the rendering speed tests the 5S was only slower by 2-4% in frame rate while "Egypt HD offscreen" was the only outlier with a 20% gap over the 5S at 57 vs 69 (though the 5S was doing near 60 fps so anything much higher than that would be unnoticeable when limited by vysnc). The biggest gap was 30% but was only in a synthetic benchmark which seemed to have little relevance on real world performance. And this is again with the Note III's GPU running at higher clocks than the 5S GPU cores.
So honestly, given the enormous spec difference between the Note III and the 5S the fact that the Note III lost in nearly half of the GPU tests and more than half the CPU tests in Anandtech's article is actually quite pathetic. By specs, the Note III should have easily won every single test no problem.
You see the problem??
even though the defeats are totally embarrassing you play down the places where iPhone looses as 'not noticable'.
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I particularly like their innovative vacuum cleaners
sarcasm right?
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Originally Posted by BigMac2
Samsung can produce an 8 cores ARMv8 SoC if they want, but since they are not a software shop they can't go alone without Google. Android is a least 6 month behind Apple to 64 bit transition, we still yet to see how they would manage it considering their heterogenous development platform.
NO.
pretty sure the only ARM licensees are apple and qualcomm.
So they have to wait for qualcomm to unveil their version first.....
Because Apple fans are scared shitless of Samsung. If we really had the confidence in Apple we say we do we would’t need to be reassured by hit pieces from Daniel. The fact of the matter is a lot of us are worried about two things. One, Steve Jobs is no longer at the helm and two, could this turn out to be a repeat of the Windows vs Mac episode. Another deep seated concern is whether market share really means something after all. Being an Apple customer and fan since 1982 I have weathered it all.
The drumbeat for Apple’s doom continues unabated and all the FUD has apparently taken hold in the minds of some fans. That’s why we are seeing articles like this one. It’s all about the insecurities of Apple fandom.
What nonsense. Samsung is apple's biggest competition. Life doesn't exist in a vacuum, not even for apple. It's just good intelligence to keep up with what the biggest competition is doing. Know your enemy. Just good business.
"For the second product after that we will offer even more optimized 64-bit based on our own optimization. So we are marching ahead with the 64-bit offering, and even though it's a little too early, I think we are at the leader group in terms of 64-bit offerings."
Really? Well, where are these so-called 64 bit chips and OS?
I hope people don't listen to this guy, it's obviously got a mental problem.
He was communicating in a second language, What's your excuse?
even though the defeats are totally embarrassing you play down the places where iPhone looses as 'not noticable'.
So you can see a 1 fps difference? Which is what the iPhone lost by in 2 of the 3 rendering losses. And yes, anything over 60fps is "not noticeable" because onscreen performance is limited by v-sync. So that means the Note III would have capped out at 60 fps due to vsync which means that onscreen difference would really have only been 3 fps or a 5% gap instead of 12 fps or a 20% gap. Also, 99% of people won't see the difference between 57 and 60 fps because they are so close.
On the other hand, the Note III lost to the 5S at margins of 11 fps (37 vs 26) for T-Rex HD, 11 fps again (27 vs 16) on Basemark X onscreen and 2 fps (15 vs 13) on Basemark X offscreen.
So A7's losses were 2% (53 fps vs 54 fps), 4% (24 fps vs 25fps) and 21% (57 fps vs 69 fps) on rendering tests. Note III's losses were 42% (26 fps vs 37 fps), 69% (16 fps vs 27 fps) and 16% (15.7 fps vs 13.5 fps). The only thing embarrassing is that the Note III didn't beat the A7 in every test and in 2 of it's 3 losses percentage-wise it lost by 2 and 3 times the margin of the A7's worse loss respectively and it's narrowest loss margin was 8 times worse than the A7's narrowest loss margin.
"For the second product after that we will offer even more optimized 64-bit based on our own optimization. So we are marching ahead with the 64-bit offering, and even though it's a little too early, I think we are at the leader group in terms of 64-bit offerings."
Really? Well, where are these so-called 64 bit chips and OS?
I hope people don't listen to this guy, it's obviously got a mental problem.
even though the defeats are totally embarrassing you play down the places where iPhone looses as 'not noticable'.
sarcasm right?
NO.
pretty sure the only ARM licensees are apple and qualcomm.
So they have to wait for qualcomm to unveil their version first.....
Samsung might have got an architecture licence from ARM:
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It has now been reported that Samsung is going to make use of an architectural license to develop its own ARM-compatible processor cores and use them within the Exynos range of application processors. The design work is being done at Samsung's R&D center in Austin, Texas, and is expected to complete early in 2014, according to ETnews.com, which cited unnamed industry sources. The account added that the resulting Exynos processor would be applied to Samsung's flagship smartphone.
Samsung is in REAL trouble in 2014 as far as premium smartphones. It really is a 3 prong attack that will cause them not to slow down growth but lose market share at the high end ($450+ phones).
1. High end. Apple is really pushing ahead with TouchID, 64 bit, and next year the larger screen. Samsung will only get the scraps from the $650+ market next year when the bigger screen comes out.
That's quite an assumption since a larger screened iPhone is by no means guaranteed.
Over at Engadget they have a review of a 5.7" Vivo Xplay smartphone selling in the China market. You might think a display that large couldn't be operated with one-hand, but it can. Just takes a bit of innovation and software. In the article they mentioned that Samsung uses a similar trick to make the Note 3 one-hand friendly. I'd never seen anything about it before but it's such a simple solution.
Is this Apple Insider or Samsung insider? Why do we need all these Samsung stories? :no:
Do yourself a favor and turn your complaint reflex into something constructive. Remember when you were saying why can't Apple do a high-density screen on the mini when Google and Amazon could?
Maybe you can acknowledge that the answer is at hand, if you can back up Raymond Soniera's claim that they're using IGZO backplanes. Did LG license the tech from Sharp? Did Samsung, if they're making displays for the iPad Air? Or was it enough that Apple used a new processor?
Shouldn't we know as much as possible about what the others are doing in order to understand what Apple is doing differently? Would have saved you and me a lot of time around this retina display question a few months ago.
If Apple produces a 4.5 to 4.7" screen, the difference between a 5"+ will still be enough to encourage people to buy Samsung, especially the 'phablet crowd'. Why Apple hasn't released such a phone already is very hard to justify.
Au contraire, it's easy to justify. The envy of every other manufacturer is the breadth and depth of apps that iOS has. Apple can (and did) double the resolution without jeopardizing compatibility of all those apps, but any non-integral change will currently cause problems. That's where auto-layout in iOS7 will make the change to a larger display possible and profitable. It's a win for developers, too.
I believe you may be right that Samsung will have a tougher time next year, as it's going to be harder to differentiate itself from Apple if Apple actually produces a phone with a 5" screen.
It will be tougher on Samsung next year than you apparently know, because Apple is methodically eliminating Samsung as a source of components.
It will also be interesting (nee fun!) to see how the Rockstar lawsuit goes.
Market for so-called premium Android phones will freeze, not just cool down next year with arrival of larger screen iPhone.
Doubt it. The latest Android offerings and OS are pretty good. Apple will always hold back the latest-and-greatest for next years device, whatever that is. Since Samsung is always willing to "throw shit at the wall to see what sticks", there will always be a market for the cutting edge stuff.
Au contraire, it's easy to justify. The envy of every other manufacturer is the breadth and depth of apps that iOS has. Apple can (and did) double the resolution without jeopardizing compatibility of all those apps, but any non-integral change will currently cause problems. That's where auto-layout in iOS7 will make the change to a larger display possible and profitable. It's a win for developers
Kind of makes you wonder why they didn't think of auto-layout in iOS 1 doesn't it?
Seems a bit of a shame to me that Apple has lost the entire Phablet market plus all of the market for people who want phones > 4".
It's not like Samsung has gained hugely because of this little oversight, or that many people actually buy non-Apple phones > 4"; actually I'm pretty sure that every other manufacturer's flagship phone is ". And it's not like much of Apple's profits are tied up with the iPhone either..so no reason to rush...hell if we get a 4.5" screen in 2015, that's good enough for me.
How is this news? Samsung is just waiting until the technology is flawless before they release it to the masses. It's in their nature to only release things once they're just right, unlike some other companies who just rush out half-baked technologies in order to say they're first.
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One of my colleagues was showing off his new Nexus 5 to some of us yesterday, stating how with it's HD screen & 8 core processor it was much better than our iPhones!!
Specs do matter for some (which is probably why he is on his 3rd phone in 24 months and I am still happily using my iPhone 4S!)
Sigh, yes, except I really wanted the speed of LTE I'd still have my 4s: loved that phone. Great feel and design.
where is this bigger screen iPhone you speak of? I'd love to see it.
Check out the LTE iPad retina mini in a few weeks?
"For the second product after that we will offer even more optimized 64-bit based on our own optimization. So we are marching ahead with the 64-bit offering, and even though it's a little too early, I think we are at the leader group in terms of 64-bit offerings."
Really? Well, where are these so-called 64 bit chips and OS?
I hope people don't listen to this guy, it's obviously got a mental problem.
In the CPU tests for the Note III in which the iPhone 5S was also tested the Note III lost 4 of the 6 tests. And that's with a higher max clock of 2.3 ghz vs the 5S at 1.3ghz, it also has double the cores and double the RAM. Pathetic...
Also, in the GPU tests the 5S won 3 of the 7 tests they were both in. In many of those losses in the rendering speed tests the 5S was only slower by 2-4% in frame rate while "Egypt HD offscreen" was the only outlier with a 20% gap over the 5S at 57 vs 69 (though the 5S was doing near 60 fps so anything much higher than that would be unnoticeable when limited by vysnc). The biggest gap was 30% but was only in a synthetic benchmark which seemed to have little relevance on real world performance. And this is again with the Note III's GPU running at higher clocks than the 5S GPU cores.
So honestly, given the enormous spec difference between the Note III and the 5S the fact that the Note III lost in nearly half of the GPU tests and more than half the CPU tests in Anandtech's article is actually quite pathetic. By specs, the Note III should have easily won every single test no problem.
You see the problem??
even though the defeats are totally embarrassing you play down the places where iPhone looses as 'not noticable'.
I particularly like their innovative vacuum cleaners
sarcasm right?
Samsung can produce an 8 cores ARMv8 SoC if they want, but since they are not a software shop they can't go alone without Google. Android is a least 6 month behind Apple to 64 bit transition, we still yet to see how they would manage it considering their heterogenous development platform.
NO.
pretty sure the only ARM licensees are apple and qualcomm.
So they have to wait for qualcomm to unveil their version first.....
Over at Engadget they have a review of a 5.7" Vivo Xplay smartphone selling in the China market. You might think a display that large couldn't be operated with one-hand, but it can. Just takes a bit of innovation and software. In the article they mentioned that Samsung uses a similar trick to make the Note 3 one-hand friendly. I'd never seen anything about it before but it's such a simple solution.
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-shrink-galaxy-note-3-s-display
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/07/vivo-xplay-review-chinese-smartphone/
And people believe this schmuck?
"For the second product after that we will offer even more optimized 64-bit based on our own optimization. So we are marching ahead with the 64-bit offering, and even though it's a little too early, I think we are at the leader group in terms of 64-bit offerings."
Really? Well, where are these so-called 64 bit chips and OS?
I hope people don't listen to this guy, it's obviously got a mental problem.
He was communicating in a second language, What's your excuse?
You see the problem??
even though the defeats are totally embarrassing you play down the places where iPhone looses as 'not noticable'.
So you can see a 1 fps difference? Which is what the iPhone lost by in 2 of the 3 rendering losses. And yes, anything over 60fps is "not noticeable" because onscreen performance is limited by v-sync. So that means the Note III would have capped out at 60 fps due to vsync which means that onscreen difference would really have only been 3 fps or a 5% gap instead of 12 fps or a 20% gap. Also, 99% of people won't see the difference between 57 and 60 fps because they are so close.
On the other hand, the Note III lost to the 5S at margins of 11 fps (37 vs 26) for T-Rex HD, 11 fps again (27 vs 16) on Basemark X onscreen and 2 fps (15 vs 13) on Basemark X offscreen.
So A7's losses were 2% (53 fps vs 54 fps), 4% (24 fps vs 25fps) and 21% (57 fps vs 69 fps) on rendering tests. Note III's losses were 42% (26 fps vs 37 fps), 69% (16 fps vs 27 fps) and 16% (15.7 fps vs 13.5 fps). The only thing embarrassing is that the Note III didn't beat the A7 in every test and in 2 of it's 3 losses percentage-wise it lost by 2 and 3 times the margin of the A7's worse loss respectively and it's narrowest loss margin was 8 times worse than the A7's narrowest loss margin.
"But but but Samsung makes the A7."
You see the problem??
even though the defeats are totally embarrassing you play down the places where iPhone looses as 'not noticable'.
sarcasm right?
NO.
pretty sure the only ARM licensees are apple and qualcomm.
So they have to wait for qualcomm to unveil their version first.....
Samsung might have got an architecture licence from ARM:
http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1319096
NO.
pretty sure the only ARM licensees are apple and qualcomm.
So they have to wait for qualcomm to unveil their version first.....
You would be wrong. ARM states they have 15 architectural licensees. Intel has had one for more than a decade, Microsoft got one 3 years ago. Broadcom is a recent architectural licensee. Atmel is one as well. The list goes on.
Samsung is in REAL trouble in 2014 as far as premium smartphones. It really is a 3 prong attack that will cause them not to slow down growth but lose market share at the high end ($450+ phones).
1. High end. Apple is really pushing ahead with TouchID, 64 bit, and next year the larger screen. Samsung will only get the scraps from the $650+ market next year when the bigger screen comes out.
That's quite an assumption since a larger screened iPhone is by no means guaranteed.Over at Engadget they have a review of a 5.7" Vivo Xplay smartphone selling in the China market. You might think a display that large couldn't be operated with one-hand, but it can. Just takes a bit of innovation and software. In the article they mentioned that Samsung uses a similar trick to make the Note 3 one-hand friendly. I'd never seen anything about it before but it's such a simple solution.
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-shrink-galaxy-note-3-s-display
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/07/vivo-xplay-review-chinese-smartphone/
What is innovative about resizable windows? All I see is a clunky hack that wastes a huge chunk of screen in order to make it one-handed friendly.
Privately, Lee told industry insiders that the company was focusing its efforts on a new 64-bit refrigerator.
Do yourself a favor and turn your complaint reflex into something constructive. Remember when you were saying why can't Apple do a high-density screen on the mini when Google and Amazon could?
Maybe you can acknowledge that the answer is at hand, if you can back up Raymond Soniera's claim that they're using IGZO backplanes. Did LG license the tech from Sharp? Did Samsung, if they're making displays for the iPad Air? Or was it enough that Apple used a new processor?
Shouldn't we know as much as possible about what the others are doing in order to understand what Apple is doing differently? Would have saved you and me a lot of time around this retina display question a few months ago.
If Apple produces a 4.5 to 4.7" screen, the difference between a 5"+ will still be enough to encourage people to buy Samsung, especially the 'phablet crowd'. Why Apple hasn't released such a phone already is very hard to justify.
Au contraire, it's easy to justify. The envy of every other manufacturer is the breadth and depth of apps that iOS has. Apple can (and did) double the resolution without jeopardizing compatibility of all those apps, but any non-integral change will currently cause problems. That's where auto-layout in iOS7 will make the change to a larger display possible and profitable. It's a win for developers, too.
I believe you may be right that Samsung will have a tougher time next year, as it's going to be harder to differentiate itself from Apple if Apple actually produces a phone with a 5" screen.
It will be tougher on Samsung next year than you apparently know, because Apple is methodically eliminating Samsung as a source of components.
It will also be interesting (nee fun!) to see how the Rockstar lawsuit goes.
Market for so-called premium Android phones will freeze, not just cool down next year with arrival of larger screen iPhone.
Doubt it. The latest Android offerings and OS are pretty good. Apple will always hold back the latest-and-greatest for next years device, whatever that is. Since Samsung is always willing to "throw shit at the wall to see what sticks", there will always be a market for the cutting edge stuff.
Au contraire, it's easy to justify. The envy of every other manufacturer is the breadth and depth of apps that iOS has. Apple can (and did) double the resolution without jeopardizing compatibility of all those apps, but any non-integral change will currently cause problems. That's where auto-layout in iOS7 will make the change to a larger display possible and profitable. It's a win for developers
Kind of makes you wonder why they didn't think of auto-layout in iOS 1 doesn't it?
Seems a bit of a shame to me that Apple has lost the entire Phablet market plus all of the market for people who want phones > 4".
It's not like Samsung has gained hugely because of this little oversight, or that many people actually buy non-Apple phones > 4"; actually I'm pretty sure that every other manufacturer's flagship phone is
". And it's not like much of Apple's profits are tied up with the iPhone either..so no reason to rush...hell if we get a 4.5" screen in 2015, that's good enough for me.
How is this news? Samsung is just waiting until the technology is flawless before they release it to the masses. It's in their nature to only release things once they're just right, unlike some other companies who just rush out half-baked technologies in order to say they're first.
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Sorry, I couldn't say it with a straight face.