I welcome a larger iPad Pro. Bring it on, I'd buy one on day one. Smaller tablets, like the Mini, have their uses, and a larger tablet like the iPad Pro would also find many good uses. Make it powerful, make it sexy, and make it more expensive, as that would keep some of the riff raff away.
Just one thing, Apple had better not release any crappy, failed and doomed "convertible" device.
What the hell is wrong with you? Go buy a Surface tablet, if you have an ugly fetish. Don't expect Apple to accommodate your ugly fetish. And sorry, (the not made for touch) OS X on an iPad is just a dumb idea.
I want a larger iPad, but if Apple releases any sort of "convertible" crap, then I will definitely not be getting one, because I don't have brain damage, and I can actually afford both a laptop and a desktop and a tablet. If you can't, then look into PC convertibles, as there are many out there to suit your kind and your desires, no matter how questionable and repugnant they may be. I believe that Apple is smart enough to realize that "convertibles" are pure crap, and they are not the kind of devices that Apple should be making.
I welcome a larger iPad Pro. Bring it on, I'd buy one on day one. Smaller tablets, like the Mini, have their uses, and a larger tablet like the iPad Pro would also find many good uses. Make it powerful, make it sexy, and make it more expensive, as that would keep some of the riff raff away.
More expensive? Intel Core i3/i5/i7 Y-series devices are from $600 and up. And that's the current Haswell, this will be facing Broadwell.
I have a feeling whatever Apple is cooking will involve iOS, not make OSX touch based. There's plenty Apple can do on the iOS side of the house...user accounts, better inter-app communication, opening up Siri and Touch Id to developers, etc. I'd personally like to see changes to iOS before making OSX touch based.
Apple's future is with iOS. Making OSX touch-enabled is such a bad idea; there's no word for it. MS is already seeing the problem in that no one is writing touch-aware software for Surface Pro (other then themselves). Why? Because the huge installed base of PCs are not touch enabled.
And why should enterprise happily switch to touch-aware hardware when they are just now implementing a conversion to Windows 7 (a touch-dumb) OS.? Microsoft really thought that Windows 8 would force a world wide PC upgrade during a down-cycle of the economy. In that , MS has failed completely. Touch, on a desktop is a fad idea. It doesn't work well with large screens or multiple screens and raises the cost of the hardware with no payback.
The only problem I can see for iOS is the file and folder metaphor is something people need evolve away from to be comfortable with iOS. It's a highly ingrained metaphor and there seems to be a fraction of the populace that can't quite make the transition...
There's a reason the current iPad was renamed iPad Air, and the current MacBook Airs don't have retina displays. Apple has something cooking. But if Apple comes out with a hybrid device after Tim Cook has been shitting on them for the past two years then I think we'll know its time for Tim to go.
There is a reason for Apple to maintain distinct 'choices' and not cloud the decisions of it's client base. You want a 'phone' or a 'tablet' but you don't see apple making their clients brain hurt with 'phablet' . And I'll double down against any crossing that chasm in that direction.
I will bet you that there will crossover points... big phone (6") and small tablet (8"), Big tablet (12"), Small laptop (13"), dedicated media center (iTV) and shared device (iMac).
The long game is that iOS7 will become more and more 'multi-user'/'multi-tasking,' things that OSX has now, but other than skin consistencies, nothing from iOS will move to OSX
Evolving a 'touch' OSX is highly unlikely. Highly.
The end end game is iOS being a 'display server' of apps (think Xwindows). now where those apps are (in your house, or in the cloud) is a transition that is happening now
And unless there is some compelling reason, I can't see OSX as a consumer marketed platform growing... The 'money' will be subscription services into the cloud.
Look at the distinct devices that could be in the apple stable... If you were going to have to kill a couple... which have the lowest return on investment in the long term.... I would argue that Apple will kill off OSX as a consumer grade OS. I could be wrong... but in 10 years, my guess is Apple will not be the laptop business, and likely will eliminate the Mini for an embedded OSX server in some 'home server' platform.
-wearable (sub iOS)
iPodShuffle
iWatch
iPod Nano+ (bigger than a Watch... smaller than a Touch - Video).
-pocket (iOS)
iPhone
iPadMiniRD
-portfolio (mobile iOS office)
iPadAir
iPad(Big/Pro) (speculation)
-brief/backpack/mobile OSX
MBA(sans rd)
MBPrd
-desk (OSX)
iMac
Mac Pro
Mac mini
-Home Server
AppleTV (Serves TV access)
Entertainment Center ('iTV' - merger of iTMS, cable TV, DVD, Music/HomeTheater)
Time Capsule (and eventually a mesh caching server for all things 'iXxxx' )
-Cloud
Virtual OSX (Mac in the cloud)
iCloud iDentity (Secure Micropayment commerce based on TouchID and AppleID for all of the below )
iCloud Apps (current iOffice suites...)
iCloud Disk (disk in the cloud, mirroring, backup,
iCloud Music (Match, radio, personal, band/musician services)
iCloud Video (static movies, TV 'timeshifting', iMovie)
I welcome a larger iPad Pro. Bring it on, I'd buy one on day one. Smaller tablets, like the Mini, have their uses, and a larger tablet like the iPad Pro would also find many good uses. Make it powerful, make it sexy, and make it more expensive, as that would keep some of the riff raff away.
No one in this forum, or any other forum, gave a convincing reason to what would make an iPad so "Pro". We've all used one, what feature do you want to see that would make it a Pro? is it a keyboard? What applications do you expect to use on a Pro iPad? Photoshop? Should it have an external drive?
I vehemently disagree. People said the same thing about tablets.
Apple users always knew there was a tablet coming. In 2004 Steve Jobs said that the technology wasn't ready yet for a tablet and he listed what needed to happen for Apple to make a tablet, but people never expected it to run iOS
More expensive? Intel Core i3/i5/i7 Y-series devices are from $600 and up. And that's the current Haswell, this will be facing Broadwell.
Well, I think that it'll be more than $499, as that is what the current iPad costs.
Apple shouldn't be too concerned with price, when it comes to the iPad Pro. I don't give a crap about Intel Core chips. I already have those in laptops and desktops. I want a big, powerful iPad. This would be the iPad Pro, not the iPad amateur. Make it fully featured, give it a lot of RAM, and a powerful A8 chip. Price conscious people can always opt for the smaller iPads.
When 'hybrid' is translated to multiple apps in one screen and two or more user processes running at the same time (for example as long as visible on the screen), Wangs story is spot on. This will be a big year for Apple.
Apple users always knew there was a tablet coming. In 2004 Steve Jobs said that the technology wasn't ready yet for a tablet and he listed what needed to happen for Apple to make a tablet, but people never expected it to run iOS
Only now do we have the hardware to support a full desktop OS like OS X or Windows in thin and light tablet form. iOS served well as a light OS to carry us to this point.
No one in this forum, or any other forum, gave a convincing reason to what would make an iPad so "Pro". We've all used one, what feature do you want to see that would make it a Pro? is it a keyboard? What applications do you expect to use on a Pro iPad? Photoshop? Should it have an external drive?
I would use the same apps that I currently use and have. I just want to use them on a bigger and more powerful iPad, that's all. I'm not looking for any features in particular that are currently missing.
And no, no keyboard, no mouse, none of that crap. Apple shouldn't mess with the iPad's form factor and usage paradigm.
...and make it more expensive, as that would keep some of the riff raff away.
That you operate under the assumption that a tablet can be priced to exclude all but a few customers gives the impression that you yourself see tablets as something to aspire to own, which implies that such pricing would probably exclude you.
I would use the same apps that I currently use and have. I just want to use them on a bigger and more powerful iPad, that's all. I'm not looking for any features in particular that are currently missing.
And no, no keyboard, no mouse, none of that crap. Apple shouldn't mess with the iPad's form factor and usage paradigm.
Which apps do you use that would benefit from a pro iPad, and how often do you use them? I'm not trying to be nosy, I'm just trying to wrap my head around a Pro iPad.
Well, I think that it'll be more than $499, as that is what the current iPad costs.
Apple shouldn't be too concerned with price, when it comes to the iPad Pro. I don't give a crap about Intel Core chips. I already have those in laptops and desktops. I want a big, powerful iPad. This would be the iPad Pro, not the iPad amateur. Make it fully featured, give it a lot of RAM, and a powerful A8 chip. Price conscious people can always opt for the smaller iPads.
Intel's x86-64 14nm Broadwell Y-series chip will be considerably more capable than an A8 using ARMv8 design.
Intel's Cherry Trail Q3 / Willow Trail Q4 (tick-tock) will be the competitor to the A8, and they will be coming in devices in the $250~$500 range.
Your opinion is objectively false. You’re just completely and utterly wrong about what you’re saying.
Originally Posted by Landcruiser
Why wouldn't you want the "option" of a touch optimized OS X.
Because then it isn’t OS X. Because we already have a touch operating system. Because the idea and operation of having a touchscreen laptop are both idiotic.
It doesn't mean you have to use it.
So you know nothing about how Apple makes products, then.
As for touch optimized, many of the apps are already there…
EXACTLY. That’s because Apple is going to make a REAL desktop multitouch operating system.
…Microsoft is touch optimizing…
Who cares what failures are doing?
Originally Posted by vlscout
Just adding bluetooth mouse support to ios…
So we have people who don’t comprehend what OS X is and people who don’t comprehend what iOS is.
Sounds like they just need to get together and give each other their computers.
That you operate under the assumption that a tablet can be priced to exclude all but a few customers gives the impression that you yourself see tablets as something to aspire to own, which implies that such pricing would probably exclude you.
A premium priced iPad Pro is obviously not going to be a huge seller, compared to something like the cheaply priced iPad Mini. Even if the iPad Pro makes up 10% of total iPad sales, then that would be good.
It will simply be one more option for people looking to buy iPads. Some like small, some like medium, and some like large. And some like all. I already have the 7.9" and 9.7" so bring it on, I'd like something larger now.
And yes, I do believe that certain products can be priced out of certain people's ranges. An iPad Pro is something that would probably be out of the range of 95% of Android users. Those cheap bastards whine about twenty dollars. Can you imagine a $1000 iPad? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
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I tend to agree with you. However, IF Apple would to make a hybrid, they will do it in a way far different and better than the Surface.
I think ASUS was the one that nailed down the hybrid device with their 2-in-1 design (ref. Transformer devices). The Surface is a bit of a mess.
Just one thing, Apple had better not release any crappy, failed and doomed "convertible" device.
What the hell is wrong with you? Go buy a Surface tablet, if you have an ugly fetish. Don't expect Apple to accommodate your ugly fetish. And sorry, (the not made for touch) OS X on an iPad is just a dumb idea.
I want a larger iPad, but if Apple releases any sort of "convertible" crap, then I will definitely not be getting one, because I don't have brain damage, and I can actually afford both a laptop and a desktop and a tablet. If you can't, then look into PC convertibles, as there are many out there to suit your kind and your desires, no matter how questionable and repugnant they may be. I believe that Apple is smart enough to realize that "convertibles" are pure crap, and they are not the kind of devices that Apple should be making.
I welcome a larger iPad Pro. Bring it on, I'd buy one on day one. Smaller tablets, like the Mini, have their uses, and a larger tablet like the iPad Pro would also find many good uses. Make it powerful, make it sexy, and make it more expensive, as that would keep some of the riff raff away.
More expensive? Intel Core i3/i5/i7 Y-series devices are from $600 and up. And that's the current Haswell, this will be facing Broadwell.
Apple's future is with iOS. Making OSX touch-enabled is such a bad idea; there's no word for it. MS is already seeing the problem in that no one is writing touch-aware software for Surface Pro (other then themselves). Why? Because the huge installed base of PCs are not touch enabled.
And why should enterprise happily switch to touch-aware hardware when they are just now implementing a conversion to Windows 7 (a touch-dumb) OS.? Microsoft really thought that Windows 8 would force a world wide PC upgrade during a down-cycle of the economy. In that , MS has failed completely. Touch, on a desktop is a fad idea. It doesn't work well with large screens or multiple screens and raises the cost of the hardware with no payback.
The only problem I can see for iOS is the file and folder metaphor is something people need evolve away from to be comfortable with iOS. It's a highly ingrained metaphor and there seems to be a fraction of the populace that can't quite make the transition...
There's a reason the current iPad was renamed iPad Air, and the current MacBook Airs don't have retina displays. Apple has something cooking. But if Apple comes out with a hybrid device after Tim Cook has been shitting on them for the past two years then I think we'll know its time for Tim to go.
There is a reason for Apple to maintain distinct 'choices' and not cloud the decisions of it's client base. You want a 'phone' or a 'tablet' but you don't see apple making their clients brain hurt with 'phablet' . And I'll double down against any crossing that chasm in that direction.
I will bet you that there will crossover points... big phone (6") and small tablet (8"), Big tablet (12"), Small laptop (13"), dedicated media center (iTV) and shared device (iMac).
The long game is that iOS7 will become more and more 'multi-user'/'multi-tasking,' things that OSX has now, but other than skin consistencies, nothing from iOS will move to OSX
Evolving a 'touch' OSX is highly unlikely. Highly.
The end end game is iOS being a 'display server' of apps (think Xwindows). now where those apps are (in your house, or in the cloud) is a transition that is happening now
And unless there is some compelling reason, I can't see OSX as a consumer marketed platform growing... The 'money' will be subscription services into the cloud.
Look at the distinct devices that could be in the apple stable... If you were going to have to kill a couple... which have the lowest return on investment in the long term.... I would argue that Apple will kill off OSX as a consumer grade OS. I could be wrong... but in 10 years, my guess is Apple will not be the laptop business, and likely will eliminate the Mini for an embedded OSX server in some 'home server' platform.
-wearable (sub iOS)
iPodShuffle
iWatch
iPod Nano+ (bigger than a Watch... smaller than a Touch - Video).
-pocket (iOS)
iPhone
iPadMiniRD
-portfolio (mobile iOS office)
iPadAir
iPad(Big/Pro) (speculation)
-brief/backpack/mobile OSX
MBA(sans rd)
MBPrd
-desk (OSX)
iMac
Mac Pro
Mac mini
-Home Server
AppleTV (Serves TV access)
Entertainment Center ('iTV' - merger of iTMS, cable TV, DVD, Music/HomeTheater)
Time Capsule (and eventually a mesh caching server for all things 'iXxxx' )
-Cloud
Virtual OSX (Mac in the cloud)
iCloud iDentity (Secure Micropayment commerce based on TouchID and AppleID for all of the below )
iCloud Apps (current iOffice suites...)
iCloud Disk (disk in the cloud, mirroring, backup,
iCloud Music (Match, radio, personal, band/musician services)
iCloud Video (static movies, TV 'timeshifting', iMovie)
iCloud TV (live TV, 'content programming')
iCloud 'Books' (what ever books evolve into - iCloud 'knowledge packaging')
iCloud Meetings (broadcast FaceTime)
iCloud Classroom (Facetime plus keynote, plus collaboration)
iCloud Small Office (secure group iCloud services)
I welcome a larger iPad Pro. Bring it on, I'd buy one on day one. Smaller tablets, like the Mini, have their uses, and a larger tablet like the iPad Pro would also find many good uses. Make it powerful, make it sexy, and make it more expensive, as that would keep some of the riff raff away.
No one in this forum, or any other forum, gave a convincing reason to what would make an iPad so "Pro". We've all used one, what feature do you want to see that would make it a Pro? is it a keyboard? What applications do you expect to use on a Pro iPad? Photoshop? Should it have an external drive?
I think ASUS was the one that nailed down the hybrid device with their 2-in-1 design (ref. Transformer devices). The Surface is a bit of a mess.
True Dat - on both counts.
I vehemently disagree. People said the same thing about tablets.
Apple users always knew there was a tablet coming. In 2004 Steve Jobs said that the technology wasn't ready yet for a tablet and he listed what needed to happen for Apple to make a tablet, but people never expected it to run iOS
More expensive? Intel Core i3/i5/i7 Y-series devices are from $600 and up. And that's the current Haswell, this will be facing Broadwell.
Apple users always knew there was a tablet coming. In 2004 Steve Jobs said that the technology wasn't ready yet for a tablet and he listed what needed to happen for Apple to make a tablet, but people never expected it to run iOS
Only now do we have the hardware to support a full desktop OS like OS X or Windows in thin and light tablet form. iOS served well as a light OS to carry us to this point.
No one in this forum, or any other forum, gave a convincing reason to what would make an iPad so "Pro". We've all used one, what feature do you want to see that would make it a Pro? is it a keyboard? What applications do you expect to use on a Pro iPad? Photoshop? Should it have an external drive?
I would use the same apps that I currently use and have. I just want to use them on a bigger and more powerful iPad, that's all. I'm not looking for any features in particular that are currently missing.
And no, no keyboard, no mouse, none of that crap. Apple shouldn't mess with the iPad's form factor and usage paradigm.
...and make it more expensive, as that would keep some of the riff raff away.
That you operate under the assumption that a tablet can be priced to exclude all but a few customers gives the impression that you yourself see tablets as something to aspire to own, which implies that such pricing would probably exclude you.
I would use the same apps that I currently use and have. I just want to use them on a bigger and more powerful iPad, that's all. I'm not looking for any features in particular that are currently missing.
And no, no keyboard, no mouse, none of that crap. Apple shouldn't mess with the iPad's form factor and usage paradigm.
Which apps do you use that would benefit from a pro iPad, and how often do you use them? I'm not trying to be nosy, I'm just trying to wrap my head around a Pro iPad.
Intel's x86-64 14nm Broadwell Y-series chip will be considerably more capable than an A8 using ARMv8 design.
Intel's Cherry Trail Q3 / Willow Trail Q4 (tick-tock) will be the competitor to the A8, and they will be coming in devices in the $250~$500 range.
"Analyst predicts"... stop arguing!!
Its pretty much a netbook IMO.
Your opinion is objectively false. You’re just completely and utterly wrong about what you’re saying.
Because then it isn’t OS X. Because we already have a touch operating system. Because the idea and operation of having a touchscreen laptop are both idiotic.
So you know nothing about how Apple makes products, then.
EXACTLY. That’s because Apple is going to make a REAL desktop multitouch operating system.
Who cares what failures are doing?
So we have people who don’t comprehend what OS X is and people who don’t comprehend what iOS is.
Sounds like they just need to get together and give each other their computers.
That you operate under the assumption that a tablet can be priced to exclude all but a few customers gives the impression that you yourself see tablets as something to aspire to own, which implies that such pricing would probably exclude you.
A premium priced iPad Pro is obviously not going to be a huge seller, compared to something like the cheaply priced iPad Mini. Even if the iPad Pro makes up 10% of total iPad sales, then that would be good.
It will simply be one more option for people looking to buy iPads. Some like small, some like medium, and some like large. And some like all. I already have the 7.9" and 9.7" so bring it on, I'd like something larger now.
And yes, I do believe that certain products can be priced out of certain people's ranges. An iPad Pro is something that would probably be out of the range of 95% of Android users. Those cheap bastards whine about twenty dollars. Can you imagine a $1000 iPad?
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Intel's x86-64 14nm Broadwell Y-series chip will be considerably more capable than an A8 using ARMv8 design.
Intel's Cherry Trail Q3 / Willow Trail Q4 (tick-tock) will be the competitor to the A8, and they will be coming in devices in the $250~$500 range.
Maybe, but neither chip will be designed from the ground-up to run iOS
I like dogs and I like women. I don't want a female dog.
Some things just don't mix.
You obviously never used an MBA. Net books are cheap POS with crippled hardware.