Let me see if I got this straight, M$ turned over it source code, and the Russia were okay with all the security holes all through window, How does Russia think the NSA was spying on them in the first place, it was through all the back door holes in Windows which it is famous for.
This is simply a retaliation to the sanctions the west has placed on Russia. Just like banning fruit and vegetables from Poland and arbitrarily banning products from other countries it is a way for Russia to pretend that is has leverage. In the end Apple will not relent and Russia will either let the matter quietly die or risk become a grey/black market for Apple products. The Russians that would normally buy them are still quite capable and have the means of traveling to western Europe to buy them or arrange for them to be imported by a "friend." The amount of money Apple will lose will be negligible as they had a fairly decent installed base prior to having official representation in Russian. And this was before you could even buy unlocked iPhones.
I did a quick search and it looks like any ban based on Apple not providing source code would jeopardize Russia's WTO member status.
This raises an interesting question for me: If the iOS source code was stolen by hackers and released to the public, how much damage (if any) would that do to iOS security?
It depends if there are any weaknesses that are undiscovered from looking at code. Good hackers don't need source code to find weaknesses, and the availability of source doesn't guarantee that weaknesses will be discovered faster (contrary to the claims from Open Source proponents, and well, the Russian government)--recall that OpenSSL had an exploitable bug that was undiscovered for three years despite the openness and wide use of this library.
Of course, many core OS X services from the UNIX layers are open source already (such as the Mach kernel).
Why? What does Russia and its people have to hide?
I'm happy for the Government to collect all my data, read my emails, read my text messages, track my phone and listen to my phone calls. Simply because I have nothing to hide.
Translation : We (Russia) cannot hack into iOS, so what we need access to see your source code so we can find its vulnerabilities so we can spy on our own citizens. The part they are interested in is iMessage which is encrypted. The question which remains unanswered is do they require the private key as well?
This is simply a retaliation to the sanctions the west has placed on Russia. Just like banning fruit and vegetables from Poland and arbitrarily banning products from other countries it is a way for Russia to pretend that is has leverage. In the end Apple will not relent and Russia will either let the matter quietly die or risk become a grey/black market for Apple products. The Russians that would normally buy them are still quite capable and have the means of traveling to western Europe to buy them or arrange for them to be imported by a "friend." The amount of money Apple will lose will be negligible as they had a fairly decent installed base prior to having official representation in Russian. And this was before you could even buy unlocked iPhones.
I did a quick search and it looks like any ban based on Apple not providing source code would jeopardize Russia's WTO member status.
The US has lost countless cases before the WTO and nothing happens to them...WTO is the least of a country's concerns when it comes to respect of international law.
In this case you should thank the NSA for opening this huge can of worms (bag of hurt). If IOS, OSX, all Windows, and Android were, say Chinese, or Korean, or even Russian, and a similar revelation as the NSA spying was revealed, how much would you trust the aforementioned systems to run the government, business and personal computers of the USA? Not much I'd wager and you'd probably feel the request to peek at the source code was a fair request.
Its always interesting to turn the tables in the name of perspective. I'm not saying they will, or should cave, but perhaps that the request is not without merit and the burden needs to be on Apple et al's shoulders to prove their case.
Yes, absolutely - too bad the McCarthyist idiots around here still think Russia is "communist" and the US are the "good", "moral high ground" guys. Hypocrisy and double standards just stink, everywhere.
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Let me see if I got this straight, M$ turned over it source code, and the Russia were okay with all the security holes all through window, How does Russia think the NSA was spying on them in the first place, it was through all the back door holes in Windows which it is famous for.
This is simply a retaliation to the sanctions the west has placed on Russia. Just like banning fruit and vegetables from Poland and arbitrarily banning products from other countries it is a way for Russia to pretend that is has leverage. In the end Apple will not relent and Russia will either let the matter quietly die or risk become a grey/black market for Apple products. The Russians that would normally buy them are still quite capable and have the means of traveling to western Europe to buy them or arrange for them to be imported by a "friend." The amount of money Apple will lose will be negligible as they had a fairly decent installed base prior to having official representation in Russian. And this was before you could even buy unlocked iPhones.
I did a quick search and it looks like any ban based on Apple not providing source code would jeopardize Russia's WTO member status.
It depends if there are any weaknesses that are undiscovered from looking at code. Good hackers don't need source code to find weaknesses, and the availability of source doesn't guarantee that weaknesses will be discovered faster (contrary to the claims from Open Source proponents, and well, the Russian government)--recall that OpenSSL had an exploitable bug that was undiscovered for three years despite the openness and wide use of this library.
Of course, many core OS X services from the UNIX layers are open source already (such as the Mach kernel).
Why? What does Russia and its people have to hide?
I'm happy for the Government to collect all my data, read my emails, read my text messages, track my phone and listen to my phone calls. Simply because I have nothing to hide.
He scrubs his conscience clear every night before he goes to bed.
Samsung would like the source code too, please.
ROTFLOL!
Funniest thing I've seen on this site in a long time! hahahaha!
Utterly pointless too. How would they even know they are looking at the right source code?
"You ain't no frog you're a horny toad, farewell, goodbye,
adios"
What are they going to do?
Get some rebels to fire missiles at Apple HQ?
Russia can FO. The ministry of communications and propaganda should lay off the vodka.
The Russian government (although a bunch of asshats) are able to read the source code for Android, it's Open Source, so no need for a dawn raid.
Ha! Tim should find out what brand they drink and send a case to Sammy, Google ...
The Russian government (although a bunch of asshats) are able to read the source code for Android, it's Open Source, so no need for a dawn raid.
For the open source parts of android, yes. All the Google apps, device makers' enhancements and modifications remain closed and proprietary.
Given recent events, they are WAY more trustworthy than the US government, by a long shot.
Ok Russia... here ya go: http://www.opensource.apple.com
Enjoy it, because thats about as much as you'll get!
Translation : We (Russia) cannot hack into iOS, so what we need access to see your source code so we can find its vulnerabilities so we can spy on our own citizens. The part they are interested in is iMessage which is encrypted. The question which remains unanswered is do they require the private key as well?
This is simply a retaliation to the sanctions the west has placed on Russia. Just like banning fruit and vegetables from Poland and arbitrarily banning products from other countries it is a way for Russia to pretend that is has leverage. In the end Apple will not relent and Russia will either let the matter quietly die or risk become a grey/black market for Apple products. The Russians that would normally buy them are still quite capable and have the means of traveling to western Europe to buy them or arrange for them to be imported by a "friend." The amount of money Apple will lose will be negligible as they had a fairly decent installed base prior to having official representation in Russian. And this was before you could even buy unlocked iPhones.
I did a quick search and it looks like any ban based on Apple not providing source code would jeopardize Russia's WTO member status.
The US has lost countless cases before the WTO and nothing happens to them...WTO is the least of a country's concerns when it comes to respect of international law.
In this case you should thank the NSA for opening this huge can of worms (bag of hurt). If IOS, OSX, all Windows, and Android were, say Chinese, or Korean, or even Russian, and a similar revelation as the NSA spying was revealed, how much would you trust the aforementioned systems to run the government, business and personal computers of the USA? Not much I'd wager and you'd probably feel the request to peek at the source code was a fair request.
Its always interesting to turn the tables in the name of perspective. I'm not saying they will, or should cave, but perhaps that the request is not without merit and the burden needs to be on Apple et al's shoulders to prove their case.
Yes, absolutely - too bad the McCarthyist idiots around here still think Russia is "communist" and the US are the "good", "moral high ground" guys. Hypocrisy and double standards just stink, everywhere.
2) The real interest may be with being able to find ways to spy on everyone by making the task of finding security holes easier.
2) NSA does it for all of us already, so no need for Russia to ask.
Apple won't be Russian to comply with this demand.
Yes, I know, that was bad.