Ah, but there are ethnic Jews (if you like, we can call them Hebrews) who share genetic traits. These are the people to which “Jew” is generally referred in these cases.
But not really. The current day Israelis are a different ethnic group than the original Israelites of the old testament. Today's Jews are mostly of mixed European decent. Hebrew is actually a Latin word derived from Yehudah.
Apple should be striving to improve their breakdown by aiming for 100% white men. Judging by the past sixteen years, the predominantly white, male workforce at Apple has been spectacularly successful; they have clearly shown an aptitude for their work, to put it mildly.
Exactly.
KFC is not going to go and change the secret recipe for their chickens, because a few lunatics and representatives for a minority ingredient is not being included. Coke did try to change their secret formula a while back, and that turned into the biggest disaster ever.
Apple should be striving to improve their breakdown by aiming for 100% white men. Judging by the past sixteen years, the predominantly white, male workforce at Apple has been spectacularly successful; they have clearly shown an aptitude for their work, to put it mildly.
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My city just rioted because of the discrimination that minorities face in this country. Because of the social unrest, a riot was able to break out and people destroyed and looted a town. A riot broke out. A riot broke out. A riot had a chance to break out because of discrimination. I can say it 50 other ways.
Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Racism is at it's worse in the last 20 years, and you'd be naive to assume that discrimination doesn't come hand in hand with it.
The people who are rioting in your city are clearly idiots. Nobody who is intelligent goes on a self destructive rampage and riots and loots their own neighborhood stores.
Those people are just thugs, criminals who are taking advantage of a situation, so that they can loot some stores and maybe grab a pair of sneakers or maybe a flat panel tv if they're lucky. What scum. The police should be out in force and shoot any rioters and looters on sight.
The people who are rioting in your city are clearly idiots. Nobody who is intelligent goes on a self destructive rampage and riots and loots their own neighborhood stores.
Those people are just thugs, criminals who are taking advantage of a situation, so that they can loot some stores and maybe grab a pair of sneakers or maybe a flat panel tv if they're lucky. What scum. The police should be out in force and shoot any rioters and looters on sight.
No, it's not about the stupid people rioting and taking advantage of the situation - "those people are thugs".
That doesn't change the matter of the situation: A riot had the chance to break out among stupid people because of the racial tension involving everyone else reached an all high point. That is the sole reason for the riot, not any specific person wanting new sneakers. Discrimination brought the people together, it brought tensions to an all time high, discrimination allowed for people to go crazy.
No, it's not about the stupid people rioting and taking advantage of the situation - "those people are thugs".
That doesn't change the matter of the situation: A riot had the chance to break out among stupid people because of the racial tension involving everyone else reached an all high point.
Nobody forced anybody to start any riots. Hoodlums always look for excuses to start riots. Some thugs riot after sports games.
I know which city you are referring to, it's about one kid who got shot by a cop. Hardly a reason to riot and go bananas, looting your own neighborhood and going on a rampage. Those people aren't the brightest, and they obviously don't have their own best self interests at hand.
That doesn't change the matter of the situation: A riot had the chance to break out among stupid people because of the racial tension involving everyone else reached an all high point.
That is probably the most profound statement so far about the rioting. I agree with what you are saying, that because of all of the tension, it took just one misstep and you have a breakdown of law and order. @Nobodyy, my deepest apologies for what your town is going through right now. But that needs to be a lesson on what needs to happen. We need to come together as one collective group (regardless of gender, skin color, heritage, etc) and start treating each other civilly. We need to remove those in power who believe in division of groups. The only reason for that kind of division is to make it easier to oppress, and nothing more.
The people who are rioting in your city are clearly idiots. Nobody who is intelligent goes on a self destructive rampage and riots and loots their own neighborhood stores.
Those people are just thugs, criminals who are taking advantage of a situation, so that they can loot some stores and maybe grab a pair of sneakers or maybe a flat panel tv if they're lucky. What scum. The police should be out in force and shoot any rioters and looters on sight.
Benjamin Bannekr
George Washington Carver
Ernest Everett Just
Archibald Alexander
Dr. Charles Richard Drew
Emmet Chappelle
James West
Mae Jemison
Marie Maynard Daly
Patricia Bath
Prof. Samuel Massie
etc, etc, etc
Thank Garrett Augustus Morgan for the traffic light
Thank Patricia Bath for the Laserphaco Probe for treating cateracts
While there may be few, there were quite a few that made significant contributions to society despite the obstacles they had to overcome. Not disagreeing with you but we should look at the great contributions that have come from the African American community.
These are great examples and I bet there are even more we will never know about because credit was never given due to the inequality of their time, but these are acceptional examples. How many more wonderful contributions to society and science have been lost because of gender, "race", nationality, or even greed pushed an agenda that didn't care about anything outside a myopic view of one's self to one's limited social group?
Nobody forced anybody to start any riots. Hoodlums always look for excuses to start riots. Some thugs riot after sports games.
I know which city you are referring to, it's about one kid who got shot by a cop. Hardly a reason to riot and go bananas, looting your own neighborhood and going on a rampage. Those people aren't the brightest, and they obviously don't have their own best self interests at hand.
Rioting makes more sense when it's over a unjustly death than when a team wins a championship. Funny how badly NYC is viewed yet there were never riots after the Yankees or the Giants won.
Rioting makes more sense when it's over a unjustly death than when a team wins a championship. Funny how badly NYC is viewed yet there were never riots after the Yankees or the Giants won.
Even if one person got killed, then so what? That's no reason for civilized people to riot. And often, all of the facts aren't even out yet surrounding the situation, but that doesn't matter to the people looking to start trouble.
I agree. In fact two of the companies were actively recruiting women into the company, and had an extremely difficult time finding candidates. There are so few qualified women software developers. We ended up hiring an extremely good candidate, she was stolen away from us after 6 months for almost 30% more pay and a better title. Eventually we gave up on the whole idea, it is extremely tough to hire and then retain someone like that. A friend of mine who worked as consultant, had found a job in 3 hours(yes hours) and for higher pay after she was told her company would not renew her contract. Its ridiculous to even bother with that, its just making life difficult for yourself.
Wait, what!? So, your response is that it is utopian bullsh*t? Let me tell you, as a person in the IT sector, I can tell you from first-hand experience that the problem isn't with the hiring practices (more often than not), it is with the pool of applicants (which is what this discussion first originated about: Apple). Your analogy about sports has no bearing on this discussion other to fan flames about a topic which needs cool, reasonable heads about it.
Also, what the hell is wrong about a utopian mindset? That should be the goal. The idea that everybody gets a fair shake, and can achieve whatever greatness they want; what the hell is wrong with that? the ONLY way to get to that point is to improve the educational system and to encourage other groups (whether we are talking ethiniticity or gender) to get involved in and enjoy the Technology Industry. That requires overhauls and forward thinking; not people who complain about it, whining how it isn't fair, and then not contribute on how to help fix it.
I have been at the hiring desk. I have seen what the hiring pool is in the IT sector. It isn't that I didn't want minorities or females working with me, they just weren't there.
Now, as a thought problem for you to solve (and this will go to show the real problem at hand): You are the hiring manager. You have one position available. you have two applicants: a light-skinned woman and a dark-skinned man. Both are equally qualified. Which one do you choose?
Second problem, and this comes from real word experience, not going to name names, but these are actual qualifications. You have 5 PHP programming positions, and you have to pick the very best from the people here:
Now, before you see a general breakdown of these people, go ahead and pick which ones you want to hire for your 5 PHP based positions.
Spoiler:
A: Male, White
B: Male, White
C: Male, White Male, White
E: Male, Asian
F: Female, German (heavy accent)
G: Male, White
H: Male, White
I: Male, White
<span style="font-size:1em;line-height:1.25em;">J: Male, African-American</span>
If you played the game right, and you didn't look, you would have picked some combination of A, B, E, G, H, and I. Those were the best candidates. As a hiring manager, are you supposed to pick a minority or a female for the sake of diversity, or do you pick the best qualified? I wanted to hire J (he was hysterical and a really great guy), but his qualifications weren't what we were looking for. C was a really sweet girl who went back to school, but didn't have the experience we were wanting. We hired A, B, E, G, and I (didn't need the Flash heavy guy), because those were the best fit, and not because of any perceived prejudices.
My point was that what's on paper doesn't always tell the true story of the person, and what they're capable of doing. I've known people that had to do their boss' job because they left, and that person was never considered for the job because they lacked the education, but then has to train the new boss. We put way too much emphasis on what's written on paper then what reality is.
Wow. You really need to travel the country more often.
That is really an ignorant statement.
There are literally hundreds of towns in the deep south that minorities can't even step foot into without risking bodily harm.
Uhm, Fer
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While I agree that sexual harrassment is a serious and real issue, you are just insanely (and sanctimoniously) overgeneralizing here. And, you're far from the only person who has "spoken directly to women" on this issue.
You're simply conflating things.
That's the point. I'm far from the only person. Hence, it's a big problem.
And look up the word sanctimonious. I don't see how anyone can feel superior for knowing victims of harassment. Apparently you can. That's your problem, not mine.
Even if one person got killed, then so what? That's no reason for civilized people to riot. And often, all of the facts aren't even out yet surrounding the situation, but that doesn't matter to the people looking to start trouble.
I always find that term and application funny. Civilization has a lot do with our customs that you saying that rioting isn't civilized is fine but you won't think of things you do (or say, in terms of this forum) that others would consider uncivilized...
If anyone, no matter who, were given the opportunity of choosing from amongst all the nations in the world the set of beliefs which he thought best, he would inevitably choose that of his own country.
One might recall, for example, an anecdote of Darius. When he was king of Persia, he summoned the Greeks who happened to be present at his court, and asked them what they would take to eat the dead bodies of their fathers. They replied that they would not do it for any money in the world. Later, in the presence of the Greeks, and through an interpreter, so that they could understand what was said, he asked some Indians of the tribe called Callatiae, who do in fact eat their parents' dead bodies, what they would take to burn them. They uttered a cry of horror and forbade him to mention such a dreadful thing. One can see by this what custom can do.
— Herodotus of Halicarnassus, circa 500 BCE
As for specifically rioting, French social psychologists defined what we now call mob mentality. We are a part of this as much as we are a part of our reproductive urges and our civilization, for better or worse, is a part of our human behaviour regardless of how you feel about it. I guarantee that we all do things that another would consider to be socially unacceptable and therefore uncivilized.
And today, we think lethal injection is a "humane" and civilized way to kill people in our drug-abused society. So much so that we will forego even considering a quick and painless death that is guaranteed to work if that solution means blood will be spilt, but our elected officials will risk torturing people for hours with untested drugs because it's more civilized.
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But not really. The current day Israelis are a different ethnic group than the original Israelites of the old testament. Today's Jews are mostly of mixed European decent. Hebrew is actually a Latin word derived from Yehudah.
Apple should be striving to improve their breakdown by aiming for 100% white men. Judging by the past sixteen years, the predominantly white, male workforce at Apple has been spectacularly successful; they have clearly shown an aptitude for their work, to put it mildly.
Exactly.
KFC is not going to go and change the secret recipe for their chickens, because a few lunatics and representatives for a minority ingredient is not being included. Coke did try to change their secret formula a while back, and that turned into the biggest disaster ever.
Why mess with success?
Ah, this joke isn’t going to be well received.
My city just rioted because of the discrimination that minorities face in this country. Because of the social unrest, a riot was able to break out and people destroyed and looted a town. A riot broke out. A riot broke out. A riot had a chance to break out because of discrimination. I can say it 50 other ways.
Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Racism is at it's worse in the last 20 years, and you'd be naive to assume that discrimination doesn't come hand in hand with it.
The people who are rioting in your city are clearly idiots. Nobody who is intelligent goes on a self destructive rampage and riots and loots their own neighborhood stores.
Those people are just thugs, criminals who are taking advantage of a situation, so that they can loot some stores and maybe grab a pair of sneakers or maybe a flat panel tv if they're lucky. What scum. The police should be out in force and shoot any rioters and looters on sight.
The people who are rioting in your city are clearly idiots. Nobody who is intelligent goes on a self destructive rampage and riots and loots their own neighborhood stores.
Those people are just thugs, criminals who are taking advantage of a situation, so that they can loot some stores and maybe grab a pair of sneakers or maybe a flat panel tv if they're lucky. What scum. The police should be out in force and shoot any rioters and looters on sight.
No, it's not about the stupid people rioting and taking advantage of the situation - "those people are thugs".
That doesn't change the matter of the situation: A riot had the chance to break out among stupid people because of the racial tension involving everyone else reached an all high point. That is the sole reason for the riot, not any specific person wanting new sneakers. Discrimination brought the people together, it brought tensions to an all time high, discrimination allowed for people to go crazy.
No, it's not about the stupid people rioting and taking advantage of the situation - "those people are thugs".
That doesn't change the matter of the situation: A riot had the chance to break out among stupid people because of the racial tension involving everyone else reached an all high point.
Nobody forced anybody to start any riots. Hoodlums always look for excuses to start riots. Some thugs riot after sports games.
I know which city you are referring to, it's about one kid who got shot by a cop. Hardly a reason to riot and go bananas, looting your own neighborhood and going on a rampage. Those people aren't the brightest, and they obviously don't have their own best self interests at hand.
That doesn't change the matter of the situation: A riot had the chance to break out among stupid people because of the racial tension involving everyone else reached an all high point.
That is probably the most profound statement so far about the rioting. I agree with what you are saying, that because of all of the tension, it took just one misstep and you have a breakdown of law and order. @Nobodyy, my deepest apologies for what your town is going through right now. But that needs to be a lesson on what needs to happen. We need to come together as one collective group (regardless of gender, skin color, heritage, etc) and start treating each other civilly. We need to remove those in power who believe in division of groups. The only reason for that kind of division is to make it easier to oppress, and nothing more.
You just throw tea in harbors.
These are great examples and I bet there are even more we will never know about because credit was never given due to the inequality of their time, but these are acceptional examples. How many more wonderful contributions to society and science have been lost because of gender, "race", nationality, or even greed pushed an agenda that didn't care about anything outside a myopic view of one's self to one's limited social group?
Rioting makes more sense when it's over a unjustly death than when a team wins a championship. Funny how badly NYC is viewed yet there were never riots after the Yankees or the Giants won.
Preach it, sir!
You just throw tea in harbors.
I do? I was around in 1773? Interesting.
Nope, nothing about racism being a huge problem there¡ :rolleyes:
Rioting makes more sense when it's over a unjustly death than when a team wins a championship. Funny how badly NYC is viewed yet there were never riots after the Yankees or the Giants won.
Even if one person got killed, then so what? That's no reason for civilized people to riot. And often, all of the facts aren't even out yet surrounding the situation, but that doesn't matter to the people looking to start trouble.
I agree. In fact two of the companies were actively recruiting women into the company, and had an extremely difficult time finding candidates. There are so few qualified women software developers. We ended up hiring an extremely good candidate, she was stolen away from us after 6 months for almost 30% more pay and a better title. Eventually we gave up on the whole idea, it is extremely tough to hire and then retain someone like that. A friend of mine who worked as consultant, had found a job in 3 hours(yes hours) and for higher pay after she was told her company would not renew her contract. Its ridiculous to even bother with that, its just making life difficult for yourself.
My point was that what's on paper doesn't always tell the true story of the person, and what they're capable of doing. I've known people that had to do their boss' job because they left, and that person was never considered for the job because they lacked the education, but then has to train the new boss. We put way too much emphasis on what's written on paper then what reality is.
Wow. You really need to travel the country more often.
That is really an ignorant statement.
There are literally hundreds of towns in the deep south that minorities can't even step foot into without risking bodily harm.
Uhm, Fer
While I agree that sexual harrassment is a serious and real issue, you are just insanely (and sanctimoniously) overgeneralizing here. And, you're far from the only person who has "spoken directly to women" on this issue.
You're simply conflating things.
That's the point. I'm far from the only person. Hence, it's a big problem.
And look up the word sanctimonious. I don't see how anyone can feel superior for knowing victims of harassment. Apparently you can. That's your problem, not mine.
Sounds like they’re rioting despite not knowing what actually transpired.
None of which are correct. People chose to riot. People. chose. to. riot.
You always do this, but please tell me that you understand the distinction between this and that.
Diversity of gays, transvestites and other sex minorities will be also improved?
I always find that term and application funny. Civilization has a lot do with our customs that you saying that rioting isn't civilized is fine but you won't think of things you do (or say, in terms of this forum) that others would consider uncivilized...
As for specifically rioting, French social psychologists defined what we now call mob mentality. We are a part of this as much as we are a part of our reproductive urges and our civilization, for better or worse, is a part of our human behaviour regardless of how you feel about it. I guarantee that we all do things that another would consider to be socially unacceptable and therefore uncivilized.
And today, we think lethal injection is a "humane" and civilized way to kill people in our drug-abused society. So much so that we will forego even considering a quick and painless death that is guaranteed to work if that solution means blood will be spilt, but our elected officials will risk torturing people for hours with untested drugs because it's more civilized.
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